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There is no MS!
Not as it's presently defined: http://archive.feedblitz.com/534462/~4509561/28023432/2264d1de440efdd4995c4e203b006c46
The statement - "Infectious indicates it can be cured with antibiotics" - is erroneous. "Infectious" does not indicate a disease can be cured with antibiotics. "Infectious" only means the disease is due to bacterial or viral infection and thus can be transmitted to others. Two infectious diseases immediately come to mind that cannot be cured by antibiotics: AIDS (viral) and chronic Lyme disease (bacterial). Antibiotics don't kill viruses - so AIDS patients would only use antibiotics to fight any secondary bacterial infections they might develop, which could help them feel better, but not cure them. Though early Lyme disease can be easily cured by antibiotics, chronic Lyme disease essentially cannot. Antibiotics can certainly help chronic Lyme and AIDS patients feel better, but they basically don't cure the chronic Lyme or the AIDS. Though there may be tales of people having beaten chronic Lyme with antibiotics, in most cases it is just remission. Of course, there can always be rare miracles - such as Lyme, AIDS, MS, cancer, or ALS just spontaneously disappearing.
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I am finding it really difficult to take your idealisation seriously, the article you provided was from a lyme blog, and not the original article or the original research paper. [btw Inflamation is not infection]
The lyme blog article only sited minimilist parts of the mayo article and changed some of the articles wording to insert lyme and yet no where in the newsblog.mayoclinic.org article is lyme 'ever' mentioned. eg
mayoclinic:
"Researchers do not know precisely what causes MS, but it is thought to be an autoimmune disease in which the body’s immune system attacks and destroys its own myelin. This fatty substance surrounds and protects axons, nerve cell projections that carry information, and its damage slows down or blocks messages between the brain and body, leading to MS symptoms, which can include blindness, numbness, paralysis, and thinking and memory problems.
“Our study shows the cortex ...."
lyme blog:
"Researchers have not known precisely what causes MS, but it has traditionally been thought to be its own autoimmune disease in which the body’s immune system attacks and destroys its own myelin. Th e resulting symptoms are very similar to Lyme disease and can include blindness, numbness, paralysis, and thinking and memory problems.
“Our study shows the cortex......."
The lyme blog is in my opinion, misrepresenting the mayo research by inserting lyme, and taking valid research out of contex to support... what i don't know but it gives the impression that this specific MS research is connected to lyme in some way. When it hasn't anything to do with lyme, the research is specific to MS and the cortex involvement being more involved than previously understood.
Cheers........JJ
The lyme blog article only sited minimilist parts of the mayo article and changed some of the articles wording to insert lyme and yet no where in the newsblog.mayoclinic.org article is lyme 'ever' mentioned. eg
mayoclinic:
"Researchers do not know precisely what causes MS, but it is thought to be an autoimmune disease in which the body’s immune system attacks and destroys its own myelin. This fatty substance surrounds and protects axons, nerve cell projections that carry information, and its damage slows down or blocks messages between the brain and body, leading to MS symptoms, which can include blindness, numbness, paralysis, and thinking and memory problems.
“Our study shows the cortex ...."
lyme blog:
"Researchers have not known precisely what causes MS, but it has traditionally been thought to be its own autoimmune disease in which the body’s immune system attacks and destroys its own myelin. Th e resulting symptoms are very similar to Lyme disease and can include blindness, numbness, paralysis, and thinking and memory problems.
“Our study shows the cortex......."
The lyme blog is in my opinion, misrepresenting the mayo research by inserting lyme, and taking valid research out of contex to support... what i don't know but it gives the impression that this specific MS research is connected to lyme in some way. When it hasn't anything to do with lyme, the research is specific to MS and the cortex involvement being more involved than previously understood.
Cheers........JJ
O M G There is NO MS - heck! Hallelujah! We are all saved! Oh My!!!
Who is throwing the party? I want to come ;)
Who is throwing the party? I want to come ;)
There is no generally accepted evidence that MS is caused by infection. There is no generally accepted evidence that MS is caused by any one thing, period.
The working hypothesis is that MS is an autoimmune condition that may be precipitated by a combination of factors, such as heredity and infection. There has to be susceptibility as well.
Of course what I have just written is a vast oversimplification of a very complex set of circumstances. But it is appropriate for a forum of laypersons having a discussion. What is not appropriate is to wave around an article as if it were one of the ten commandments in order to get some troll action going.
When real medical science decides that MS is purely and simply an infectious disease we will hear about it.
ess
The working hypothesis is that MS is an autoimmune condition that may be precipitated by a combination of factors, such as heredity and infection. There has to be susceptibility as well.
Of course what I have just written is a vast oversimplification of a very complex set of circumstances. But it is appropriate for a forum of laypersons having a discussion. What is not appropriate is to wave around an article as if it were one of the ten commandments in order to get some troll action going.
When real medical science decides that MS is purely and simply an infectious disease we will hear about it.
ess
I can't see MS being "infectious" because "infectious" indicates it can be cured with antibiotics but then I think we beat a dead horse here because I doubt many MS pts will give this silly notion a 2nd glance.
Besides, to assume that this is the cause because not everyone gets it at the same age (paraphrasing here) is far out, many don't get Dx until late because of many reasons, thus "when" they got it is not something that is "exact".
I bow out and am going back under my rock!
Besides, to assume that this is the cause because not everyone gets it at the same age (paraphrasing here) is far out, many don't get Dx until late because of many reasons, thus "when" they got it is not something that is "exact".
I bow out and am going back under my rock!
Point is, it's something infectious, not something to be treated in the manner that it now is. But, I don't have it, so let the Drs do as they will. They get your money whether their treatment schemes work or not.
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Your heading got my attention but after reading the article you provided, i am left wondering where you got the idea that this article is in anyway supporting that MS doesn't exist!
There is nothing in that article to even suggest MS doesn't exist, its talking about the Cortex being involved in MS and the possibility that this is another direction for causation and drug therapys for MS.
“Our study shows the cortex is involved early in MS and may even be the initial target of disease,” says Claudia F. Lucchinetti, M.D. , co-lead author of the study and Mayo Clinic neurologist . “Inflammation in the cortex must be considered when investigating the causes and progression of MS”, she says.
Study authors say current therapeutic options may not even address issues associated with the cortex. Understanding how the cortex is involved, therefore, is critical to creating new therapies for MS.......
Colloborative studies like this, that deepen our understanding of the sequence of nervous-system-damaging events, should offer new opportunities for stopping MS disease progression and improving quality of life for people with MS.”
Cheers.........JJ
There is nothing in that article to even suggest MS doesn't exist, its talking about the Cortex being involved in MS and the possibility that this is another direction for causation and drug therapys for MS.
“Our study shows the cortex is involved early in MS and may even be the initial target of disease,” says Claudia F. Lucchinetti, M.D. , co-lead author of the study and Mayo Clinic neurologist . “Inflammation in the cortex must be considered when investigating the causes and progression of MS”, she says.
Study authors say current therapeutic options may not even address issues associated with the cortex. Understanding how the cortex is involved, therefore, is critical to creating new therapies for MS.......
Colloborative studies like this, that deepen our understanding of the sequence of nervous-system-damaging events, should offer new opportunities for stopping MS disease progression and improving quality of life for people with MS.”
Cheers.........JJ
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