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Muscle Twitches All OVER

Hi,
I get muscle twitches at least 20-40 times a day usually its in the legs or arm or just under the arm. I can see my muscles jumping. It started about 4 weeks ago and its starting to freak me out. I have been on xanax because I have been very stressed and have been having panic attacks. I dont take the xanax much now maybe once a week. Also I am a diabetic and am on blood pressure tablets . I am 24 years old. I am so afraid right now cos my health is so much in a mess I have always takin good care of my diabeties. My HBO is about 6.5 for my blood. I also got high cholestrol and I am normal weight and I try and watch what I eat. This muscle twitching has just pushed me to the edge no matter what I do some other medical thing comes along now I have this twitching to worry about. Can anyone tell me if they had similar expeience of muscle twitches and what you think might be the cause. thanks.
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Muscle twitches are called fasciculations in medical terms. There is a condition called benign fasciculation syndrome which can occur in individuals your age. Also, fasciculations can occur secondary to stress, and excessive excercise. You should have this evaluated by seeing a neurologist. They may or may not decide to do an EMG, a test to look at the function of muscles and nerves. Good luck.
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I also get muscle twitches and jumping in my arms and legs. I was told it was a combination of Restless Legs Syndrome and Periodic Limb Movement Syndrome. I have had to be very careful when holding things because my arm (especially the left, non-dominant one) will swing out on its own regardless of what I am holding at the time. I have learned NOT to hold the popcorn in the movie theater :-)  Seriously, I think it is more than the RLS or the PLMS because things like "the cold" wll set off the spasms in my legs (as when I am swimming). Also my index finger will pull forward down past my thumb (very painful) and/or my
2nd or 3rd toes will pull down and to the side away from the big toe in a tight spasm (extremely painful) and I actually need my husband's help to massage the area, usually by pulling th diget back in the opposite direction that it is spasming... until it releases. I don't know what it is... but I do know a little of what you are experiencing.
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Maybe I described it wrong like my arms or legs do not move I just see my muscles jumping but my arm or leg do not physically move I have full control over body movement its just I can see my skin jumping so presume its a muscle doing that. Its scary anyone experience that.
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Sounds like Benign Fasciculation Syndrome (BFS), which is often times brought on by stress.  You should probably see a neuro just to confirm.  Have you had your thyroid levels checked?  I am 23 and have had muscle twitching for a little over a year now.  When my twitching began I was under a lot of stress and my thyroid was out of whack (hypothyroid - caused my cholesterol to be high as well.)  You might want to go to www.aboutbfs.com for more info on Benign Fasciculation Syndrome.  Good luck!
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It sounds like BFS to me.  I have these for about 5 years, primarily in my calves.  Somedays are worse than others. Somedays I can actually see my calve muscles move.  Sometimes it is a slight vibration & it can't be seen.  Once in a while it will happen in another part of my body.  I have just learned to live with it.  It doesn't bother me much anymore.  But I agree, high anxiety & sleep deprivation (which was my problem) doesn't help the syndrome.

Good Luck.

Shamrock
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I USED TO POST HERE I HAVE TWITCHES ALL OVER FOR 18 MONTHS CALVES HAVE GONE NONSTOP MOST OF THAT TIME. NORMAL EMG AND 3 EXAMS BY A NERVE AND MUSCLE SPECIALIST AND HE TOLD ME FROM THE START I DID NOT HAVE ALS. NO WEAKNESS AND NO OTHER SYMPTOMES THE WOLE TIME.
LOOK IN THE FORMER POSTS HERE AND YOU WILL GET SOME GREAT RESPONCES FROM THE DOCS, THIS NEW DOC DOES NOT SEAM TO WANT TO GO ON THE LINE MUCH WHEN IT COMES TO TWITCHING. THE OTHER OMES DID AND SAID MORE LIKE"FASCICULATIONS WITHOUT MUSCLE WEAKNESS IS ALWAYS NOT ALS"
"I HAVE NEVER SEEN A NORMAL EXAM AND EMG THAT TURNED OUT TO BE ALS"


GOOD LUCK

CONCRETE
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Not sure why anyone jumps from BFS to ALS???  BFS is a fairly common occurance.  ALS occurs in 1/100th of 1 percent of the U.S. population.  It's needless worry really.
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Hi everyone-
i was SO SUPRISED to read A LOT of these posts in the neurological section on muscle twitching, endocrine disorders, bizarre illnesses--- and none of the doctors responses suggested magnesium deficincy!!
not one that i saw!
this is such a common disorder. it is so treatable-- and i hate to see people waste years and time and money going to doctors and never finding the reason for their illnesses.
PLEASE-- if you have any muscle rigidity, tremors, twitching, ANXIETY, depression, AGITATION, mitral value prolpase, heart palpatations, panic attacks, asthma, restless legs, and more-- PLEASE DO A SEARCH FOR YOURSELF ON MAGNESIUM DEFICIENCY. YOU WILL BE AMAZED.
you may even find yourself the answer you have been searching for for so long.
i cant go into all the important facts on this post-- so PLEASE READ AS MUCH AS YOU CAN ABOUT IT!!!!
some important points****
-you cant take a blood test for it-- its innaccurate-- will come out normal. you need intracellular measurements-- not blood tests!
-do not take magnesium supplements with calcium-- it interferes!
-slow-mag is magnesium chloride-- its a good over the counter supplement that favors better absorption (it has a small amount of calcium but not enough to interfere-- aviod calcium- mag combo supplements
-it is verysafe to take mag-- except in persons with kidney disease
-by taking it orally, it may take 2 weeks to get tissue levels back to normal and decrease your symptoms
- it is a very common deficiency and so widely OVERLOOKED!
- diuretics, caffeine increases magnesium loss-aviod these
-in severe cases you can get injections

it makes me so sad that A LOT of people will never realize this and never research or find this out-- and suffer for so many years.
please-- this is so overlooked-- and you are the only person that can find the right answers to your health-- a doctor will not do this extensive of research for you. you have to be the one to direct your doctor in answering your health concerns.
i hate when someone labels a medical disorder as a "syndrome"... that means they dont know!
there is ALWAYS an UNDERLYING REASON for a symptom.
things just dont happen for no reason.
it is up to you to find that reason-- and HOPE that you find a doctor open and caring enough to help you and run a lot of tests to find the underlying problem.
for example-- depression IS NOT A CONDITION! it is merely a symptom! WHAT is causing the chemical imbalance?? what chemical? if it is serotonin-- then WHY? most of the time it is endocrine in nature.
there are SO MANY neuroendocrine disorders that get overlooked and not treated by doctors because they simply do not know about them or have educated themselves about them.
one HUGE EXAMPLE is ADULT GROWTH HORMONE DEFICIENCY!
a lot of doctors dismiss this and refuse to beleive it exists! this is simply not true.
GH deficiency is bigger than most of us will ever realize in our lifetimes. It is a HUGE neuroendocrine disorder with MANY symptoms and many causes (autoimmune, LYMES, fibromyalgia, pituitary tumors, head trauma, radiation, ... etc)
many patients will never ever get help with this and never have a life because many doctors will not look into it.
let me give you the most important words of wisdom--- never give up on yourself-- seek until you find a competent doctor that will address your issues. leave immediately from those who will not consider completely checking you for all neuroendocrine disorders including growth hormone deficiency. be your own advocate.
help is out there-- you have to ask and search until you find the right person to help you that holds the medical knowledge.
try Universities and never stop inquiring and researching.
GH deficiency can have problems with mineral and magnesium absorption.
you could just simply have low magnesium in the tissues.

the only reason i listed this is that i want people that may have this to seriously look into it.

if anyone finding this post needs more info on GH deficiency-- please go to hgfound.org

for those of you without neuroendocrine issues and simply have twitching, anxiety, cramps, depression, etc--- please research magnesium all you can. try google.com

never give up--- there is an underlying reason to everything!
its just that a lot of doctors dont necessarily TRY to find it and just treat the SYMPTOMS with other unrelated pharmaceuticals. These meds may treat a symptom-- but its not what your body needs. find what it needs to the best of your ability.

i know-- i have found my way-- i had magnesium deficiency that got better after I figured it out and started taking slow-mag.
i also have growth hormone deficiency. i had to FIGHT long and hard for any doctor to take me seriously. i could have suffered my entire life NEEDLESSLY if i gave up.
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Hi Dr Help,
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Tell me about not using calcium when using magnesium.
What are you taking about.
I read everywhere that when one takes magnesium one has to take calcium too.
They 'work' together to make the muscles less tense.
What is your story?
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Bye - *Ianna* -
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Unless you constantly have diarrhea or are an alcoholic, there is no reason to take extra magnesium.  Magnesium is plentiful in foods and the idea that taking a vitamin or a mineral is going to change anyone's life around is pretty farfetched.  The bodies need for magnesium is easily met with a balanced diet.
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Unless you constantly have diarrhea or are an alcoholic, there is no reason to take extra magnesium.  Magnesium is plentiful in foods and the idea that taking a vitamin or a mineral is going to change anyone's life around is pretty farfetched.  The bodies need for magnesium is easily met with a balanced diet.
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tomy 7-
once again i found a flaw with your comment.
you WOULDNT take magnesium if you had "constant diarrhea".. excess magnesium CAUSES diarrhea!!
thats when you know you have taken too much magnesium, you will get soft stools and diarrhea.
you are right about the alcoholics part-- alcoholics loose more magnesium, so its good to supplement.
many people with neurological disease... ESPECIALLY twitches, tremors, anxeity, depression and more-- will benefit from magnesium supplementation.
it attaches to the SAME receptor and has the same actions as the widely prescribed neurological drug NEUROTIN!
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What are you a doctor OF???  I noticed many mispellings of common medical terms in all your posts here.

Be careful what you advise people to do over the internet.  If you harm them, they can track you down and sue you.  ESPECIALLY if you are a doctor!
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dear demiguise,
this is from NIH- gov
http://www.cc.nih.gov/ccc/supplements/magn.html#rda

"What is the health risk of too much magnesium?
Dietary magnesium does not pose a health risk, however very high doses of magnesium supplements, which may be added to laxatives, can promote adverse effects such as diarrhea. Magnesium toxicity is more often associated with kidney failure, when the kidney loses the ability to remove excess magnesium. Very large doses of laxatives also have been associated with magnesium toxicity, even with normal kidney function (38). The elderly are at risk of magnesium toxicity because kidney function declines with age and they are more likely to take magnesium-containing laxatives and antacids."
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My post was necessary. You suggested up to 1600mg daily is safe.
You did not say `by food'. Your own posted URL reflects the
`health risks of too much magnesium supplementation'. Thank you
for adding another search site. If suggesting peanut butter is
too vicious for you, then I'm sorry.
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tomy 7-- this is absolutely INCORRECT!
do you KNOW what low magnesium levels can do??
it "sounds" minor and farfectched--- but that is FAR from the truth.
do some research on magnesium.
get the facts.
low magnesium levels can cause HALLNUCIANTIONS, CONVULSIONS, ARRTHYMIAS...... do you find that minor??
did you KNOW that your body cant absorb magnesium very well and when it does-- any little factor can cause its excretion and loss???
do your research--- when you do you will see that it is one of the most common OVERLOOKED deficiencies.
its a shame you make a comment over something you know little about. this is the type of mentality that PREVENTS people from seeking answers and getting real help.
be more open minded-- it is more serious than you think.
when you research you will see that the average diet DOES NOT have much magnesium content-- especially the poor diets of American culture.
i went through low magnesium last year--- beleive me it was serious. I had tremors, twitches and tetney. i had nervous system induced panic attacks and heart arrythmias.
i also have a large science and medial background so i know a lot about physilology.
think about an electrical circuit---- the nervous system is the same way--- magnesium is one of the MAJOR ions involved in electrical conduction of the nervous system, heart, and muscles.
dont comment in this way about something you have never experienced or researched.
i am not trying to be mean-- i just dont want you to post wrong facts.
take care
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HI Ianna-
some sources report that TOO MUCH calcium taken at the same TIME- can interfere w/ magnesium absorption. They compete for absorption and calcium usually wins.
Slow- mag the kind i take, does have a LITTLE calcium in it-- but not enough to interfere and enough ratio to help them work together.
it is recommended to take calcium and magnesium at different times if you are to take more calcium in a day. I take my calcium supplement at a different time. for people with a deficiency, definately need to take their magnesium separately or in a combo ratio like Slow-mag.
below is some literature from the web on the subject (different views on the absorption issue):
(remember, regular blood serum tests will be innacurate- it does not show a deficiency or low "intracellular" amounts)

Magnesium

Type

Mineral

Source

Wheat germ, wheat bran, brewer's yeast, nuts whole grains, brown rice, green leafy vegetables, honey, fish, fruits, figs, almonds, beans, pistachio nuts, sunflower seeds.

Dosage

300-1600mg daily.

Discussion

Magnesium is needed for healthy nerve and muscle tissue. It is responsible for more biochemical reactions in the body than any other mineral. It acts with calcium and phosphorus to ensure proper metabolism and with potassium to modify sodium levels. Magnesium is needed by every cell for synthesis of protein, utilization of fats and carbohydrates, and production of energy. It is used with B6 in many enzyme systems and to produce energy. * Magnesium is lost with excess sugar and caffeine intake. * Alcohol and sodium deplete magnesium. * Too much calcium blocks magnesium absorption/utilization. * Saturated fat blocks magnesium absorption and utilization. * Magnesium consumption decreases as we age. * 1 soda drink contains about 30mg of phosphate. Every mg of phosphate eliminates 1mg of magnesium from your body. Magnesium glycinate is magnesium chelated with glycine, which is a great carrier for magnesium. Its low molecular weight gives higher absorption and it does not require stomach acid to be absorbed. A magnesium deficiency is associated with low levels of calcium and potassium. Excessive amounts of magnesium can prevent calcium from being absorbed so some doctors recommend taking calcium and magnesium at different times. Other sources say that calcium and magnesium are absorbed differently and do not interfere with each other. Magnesium and B6 work together. B6 assures proper magnesium in red blood cells and magnesium activates dozens of B6 enzymes. You cannot metabolize C, D, phosphorus, sodium, and potassium without sufficient magnesium.

Deficiency Symptoms

It is thought that 20-80% of the population of the United States is deficient in magnesium. It is implicated in ischemic heart disease, angina, cardiac arrhythmia, hypertension, osteoporosis, diabetes, stroke, vascular-spasm and diabetes-caused vision problems. Magnesium is used with B6 in many enzyme systems and to produce energy. Many B6 deficiency symptoms are the same as magnesium - convulsions, tremors, kidney stones, and insomnia. Magnesium Deficiency Symptoms: * Tremors, muscle twitches and cramps, muscle weakness and pain * Palpitations, breathlessness * Insomnia, sensitivity to loud noises * Migraine or tension headaches * Nervousness, irritability * Mental and physical fatigue * Fearfulness, confusion, disorientation, poor concentration * Psychiatric disturbances, depression, schizophrenia, autism * Glandular disturbances * Poor circulation, constriction of blood vessels, high blood pressure, high LDL * Calcium deposits * Heart disease, chest pain * Poor complexion * Menopause-associated insomnia, infertility, premature birth * Abdominal pain, constipation * Feeling like your skin is crawling

Caution

* Magnesium should be used cautiously by patients with an impaired kidney function. * Taking over 3000mg may have laxative effect. * Taking over 5000mg may cause nausea, calcium/phosphorus imbalance. * If you get muscle cramps that you didn't have before taking magnesium, you may need less magnesium or more calcium. * The correct ratio of calcium to magnesium must be maintained. Generally, it is 2 times as much calcium as magnesium. For example, take 200mg calcium with 100mg magnesium. Women need a higher magnesium percentage, often equal to that of calcium. For example 200mg calcium/200mg of magnesium.


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to tomy 7,
i am sorry about what i said about the diarrhea comment. i see where you were thinking here...... if you have chronic diarrhea, you loose excess nutrients, and thus more magnesium loss.
You are right about that if this was your thinking and i apoligize.

while this is correct, excess magnesium can CAUSE diarrhea. we are both correct.
You may be correct in that one sentence-- but it does not take away the fact that low magnesium is much more serious than you think.
most americans do not eat a balanced good diet.
if you read the small amount of material i listed above-- they think even up tyo 80% of americans do not eat enough magnesium and are deficient.
how many people do you know that do not drink sodas, tea or coffee and that strictly regularly (daily) eat fish, nuts, and green leafy raw vegetables?
not many.
i started to and it made all the difference.
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I have read your post about "magnesium Deficiency" and wonder if my symptoms too are possibly a result of this deficency? I have had tetany, (fasiculations) over ALL parts of my body for years now almost as long as I have had "supposedly" developed an Arrythymia, specifically, PSVT, inappropriate Tachycardia as well, in addition to, PVC's that are ALL benign according to my cardiologist. I trust they at this point they may be benign since I have had intermitant episodes of them nearly "11 years " now. I have been taking "Tenormin" for the PSVT as well as the PVC's, however, in addition to still having periodic runs of PVC's I am definately adversely affected from the medication's side effects but am tolertaing them since they "do" supress the PSVT & Tachycardia, for the most part, as well as decrease the frequency of the PVC runs. At any rate, I have educated myself "substancially" about my Arrythmia(s)over the years and realize I have few options, thus, I opted to take the medication and I am still around after 11 years, besides, I am very reluctant to have an EP doctor stick catheters up my arteries or veins and create more dangerous rhythms,in hopes he will destroy any heart tissue that is causing my inconclusively diagnosed??? arrythmia. Anyway, It is just so coincidental that I happen to have restless leg syndrome, anxiety\panic disorder,and Tinnitus, that ALL "seemed" to have developed in proximity of one another. This is why I wonder can my problems be as "simple" as "magnesium deficiency". At the very least, could I rule this out as being my "real" problem. If it can't be determined from a CBC\bloodtest how can one find out if they are "truly" deficient? Lastly, I failed to mention that anytime I ingested alcohol over the years,it would trigger a  "steady" rapid heartbeat that lasted several hours or until it seemed like the alcohol was completely out of my system and if alcohol depletes magnesium from the body, could this be my problem for many of the symptoms I presented with?
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WOW Dr. Help, too much of a good thing, even an opinion is
enough already. We know you like your magnesium. You get your
facts. Too much magnesium is BAD. Too little is BAD. Women should
take 1500 mg. calicium a day & no more than 350mg magnesium. The
magnesium helps to hold the calcium in bones to prevent Osteo.
problems. Your #'s are way off. And what binding receptor are
you referring to? Gaba-A, B, 5HT3? All this stuff over a simple
muscle-twitches question. This same debate happened when SAM-E
became avail. & even Dr. Weil pulled back on his Kava vs. Xanax.
Folks died from it. We're not Dr's. Reading your `handle' is a
little mis-leading. Magnesium does NOT have the same action as
Neurontin. Calm down w/ some peanut-butter & those that are
confused can read about it @ http://icare4u.com/Nu0011.htm or
google search "too much magnesium". Now let us all breath deep.
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Hi eddies-
oh god-- it make me cringe reading your post.
i dont doubt you have low magnesium---- i feel so bad for you since the doctors didnt pick this up over 11 years.
I do not trust many doctors or the medical profession for this very reason. I had a brain tumor that went misdiagnosed for over 8 years! i could have died.
after that they tried to MASK all my symptoms with pharmeceuticals.
the body is really very simple. There could be many chemicals naturally in the body that are off or low-- when this happens-- a symptom arises.
but modern medicine likes to MASK those symptoms instead of trying to figure out the underlying problem.
example-have depression? take paxil. end of story. no trying to figure out what chemical is off in the body causing the depression.
Many doctors may also not be to willing to help you when you say you think a magnesium deficiency.
I had to find a doctor that was competent and open minded.
this deficiency is so overlooked and most doctors treat with pharmaceuticals because it is a vicious cycle of making $$$$ big bucks with the pharmaceutical companies.

a report on NPR radio stated that most doctors (77%) of them flunked questions on NUTRITION on tests and boards. not much nutrition is taught in med school. nutrition is everything to helath! its a backwards system.

Since it is innaccurate in a blood serum test-- they have to take intracellular or in cell/in tissue measurements. i am not sure how they do that? it might be a red blood cell test?
what i did - i didnt want to wait around for some doctor to help me-- since they never have--- i read it was safe to just take the magnesium.
after 1-2 weeks my symptoms got much better.
you know you are taking too much if you get soft stools. you must take it with caution only if you have kidney disease.
severe cases can get an injection in hospital of magnesium sulfate.

search magnesium deficiency on GOOGLE. i read over 90 hours of the information. you can too. :)

i think you are going to feel better than you have in the last 11 years. for that i am very happy for you. the years wasted is not funny, but i am glad you may have just stumbled on something that will improve your life.

oh-- and do you eat foods that are high in magnesium?? if not-- try doing that too. i did that while i started slow-mag and my helath has never been better. diet sources are always superior to pills.

very kind regards!
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Dear demiguise
your post was uncalled for and unnecessary.
i am just trying to help people.
i am a doctor.
i have been misled by the medical profession in a serious misdiagnosis of a brain tumor.
many others are misled in many other areas and diagnoses.
what you are posting is vicious attacks and not meant to help anyone.
i do know that too much magnesium is bad. i never said to take too much. i just encourage those that may have a deficiency to do the research and reading and only take waht they may NEED. not in excess!
if anything i encourage a better diet to include magnesium rich foods.

you said "we know you like your magnesium... and your opinion"
its not my opinion-- these are medical facts. I dont "like" my magnesium as you put it degradingly... i dont even take it every day!

i am doing well and i have learned  alot  from my years of misdiagnosis and studies in medicine and science, and experiences with my own diseases- Some people dont even reach this point in their lifetimes.
I know the people reading these posts will find your comments as degrading and one thats serves no positive purpose. I know they will find mine helpful and positive in trying to get them answers they may need for their health and well being.
i am not on this forum for MY health-- i am here to help theirs. thats very commendable and caring of me.
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Dear demiguise

i didnt suggest a dose of 1600 mg. The copied information from the web gave this range 300-1600 mg. I beleive the average for most persons is 350 mg women, 400 mg men.
i dont know what they suggest as far as that 1600 mg dose goes. probably individual specific for certain disorders?
i would hope most people would research and discuss the dose they were going to take with their doctors. My bottle of slow-mag gives a daily recommendation of  only 128 mg.
if someone decided to take 1600 mg i am sure they would be on the toliet all day with diarrhea!

i added another search site to illustrate the safety precautions when taking this mineral. Although it is a pretty safe supplement-- it should be used in caution w/ kidney disease.

This forum is not the place for us to go back and forth with liitle childish remarks and arguments. i am just here to help and give back to people that are suffering--- because i have been there--- and since i have found my way-- i would like to share it with others.
I read your past posts about your possible brain tumor......... we may have more in common than you think.
take care.
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I like to thank everyone for there comments its good to know people take such an interest in there health and that they dont just reoly on doctors. My advice would be to anyone here to listen to what people say on the net and then talk to your doctor about it. Like I suffer from anxiety ,panic attacks and muscle twitches and I am gonna try magnesium supplements to see will it help if my doctor says its ok because also I am a diabetic and I dont want to destroy my kidneys by taking too much mageniusm.

Medicine is powerful and destructive use it wisely and listen to others.
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