Negative Test - False Accusations

[think4u62]

I hope I can get some assistance with this dilemma.  I am currently assisting a person dealing with PTSD , neurological and physical truama and a lot of the pain associated with being a victim of a gay hate crime.  For the past year and a half, he has been on several medications for depression, pain, sleep and for symptoms associated with PTSD anxiety and nightmares.  Recently, he was asked to submit a urine sample, and his test came out negative for the vicadine that he was taking "as needed", and was accused by the nurse and the doctor for "selling his medication" and not taking it as prescribed.  Now, 6 months earlier, this same man being accused of selling his medications, returned 3 prescriptions to the previous Dr. (she no longer works there) because the medications were not working with the other medications he was on.  The Dr. informed him that he was a liar, and that he was not going to treat him because if he was taking the medications, then he would test positive.  I saw this person approximately 1/2 in my office, shaking, crying and wondering "what he did wrong?"This doctor does not realize that this victim of a hate crime who suffers from PTSD, was just re-victimized, and sees nothing wrong with what he did.

Now, my question is, I know that this person takes numerous medications, and I informed him that he should go to his primary and discuss the situation and ask for both another urine and blood test.  He managed to do so the following day, and was administered the tests, but was denied another referral from his primary doctor for another pain management specialist.  The Cl is on disability, so does he have a choice, or can he seek another clinic/doctor without the referral?  Second, I know that this Cl takes his medications, but for some reason, the vicadin, anti-depressants and sleep meds did not show on either test, or than the "obvious" of not taking them, which in his condition is not likely, could there be a reason for this?

Any assistance in this matter would be greatly appreciated, as I would like to assist this CL in the best manner possible

Respectfully,
Think4u62

[Poodlemom1213]

There is really no way in this world that if he is taking them that they won't show up. May be in the low end range but they would show up. Now to test for ALL this stuff he is on EVERYONE that he's on would be a waste. They tested for the CS drugs. So either he is not taking as prescribed, or he had something else in his system. It just does not happen. No matter how many people come in the office and say this same story. It's not true. It's not possible. If he had a metabolic disorder to this magnitude he would know. I think either he had an illicit drug or he isn't taking his meds as prescribed and he was not revictimized . He can always get a blood test or hair, but he better be squeaky clean. These PM docs do not have to help him and it is in the contract you have to sign in order to be in PM. Good luck to him, he will need it.

[AngryOlman]

Please send me the list of other meds that can cause false negatives. My wife is disabled and has numerous health problems and chronic pain. Her drug test for hydrocodone keeps coming up negative and doctor seems to imply hording or selling!!!!!!!!! We know for CERTAIN she is taking everyday.  Please help us figure out this dilema.

[heather7329]

Hi,

Even though it's now 2013, I read your post from 2010 about your negative drug screen.....I wanted to know how you are now??  See I have been continuously testing negative for Opana ER 30mg.. I'VE ALWAYS TAKEN MY MEDS.!!!!!  I have been having to go back weekly for testing. I realize I was luckier than you. However, the hurt & humiliation, weekly has been a nightmare:(!!  My heart out to you & many others who are OR have experienced this!
I came up with the idea of taking videos of myself taking the Opana, I have 3 videos made so far, & 4 more to go before my next visit.  I've ALSO written a 14 page essay(of sorts), on all the negative tests popping up across the country....& that WE CAN'T ALL BE DRUG DEALERS!!!!!

In the case of poor drug absorption being a conceivable factor with the NEW OPANA, there's something crucial these DOCS are overlooking ...the TRUE DRUG DEALERS out there, AREN'T GOING TO HAVE A NEGATIVE DRUG SCREEN, they scrape the coating off with some tool, & they snort, inject, put it up their butt.....etc.  ANYWAY, that UPS the bioavailability to 40-60%, so sure they'll probably test positive & skate!!!!!  ALL THE WHILE, unsuspecting patients like us are testing negative for the drugs we're taking as we should!!

Glad I read your post, because, I NOW CAN ADD FAULTY TESTS TO (MY ALMOST BOOK :D), I'm writing to my doc!!  I'm ALSO writing  this paper to my PM Doc. to declare my innocence.. IF I do end up discharged, I will have the info. In my chart, ALONG WITH, the evidence of the 30 sec. videos of my taking the meds.

ANY posts regarding what I've written, with new/any ideas, OR your own experience, ARE WELCOME:).
I'm not only fighting for myself here, but ALL patients like myself!!!!!

Jaciv, PLEASE LET ME KNOW HOW YOU ARE CURRENTLY:)

THANX,

Heather

[jaciv]

  I know how you feel and what you are going through. Has you read in this post, it happened to me a few years ago. The only thing I was able to do was find another Dr. They can dismiss you at any time with out a reason. They rely on their test results, right or wrong. They are running scared due to the D.E.A. coming into their office and looking through records. Mostly people who are prescribed meds. such as oxycontin, oxycodone, etc. I found a pcp dr. and she prescribed me medication and helped me find a pain management Dr. I am now seeing a Dr. that gives me the same medication and does not having a problem taking care of my chronic pain. He has a degree in pharmacology and internal medicine. I was very lucky to find a Dr. to take me on after getting a neg. test result. I am now having a problem with a lab.Dr. that over stepped his bounds. These labs are just away to make money, a twelve panel test can give the same results. I recently filed a complaint against the MRO. for violating my rights. You should post your question on a different thread to get a reponse too your question. Just post a false neg in the chronic pain forum, I found the people here a very good and caring individuals who will help you as much has possible. Good luck

[Tjs97]

I know u posted this a long time ago but I am new to this site and new to being dismissed from my pain dr and labeled a drug dealer (for selling my pills). I wondered if anyone tried the legal pathway to controlling this gross misuse of their (dr's) power and causing so much pain to innocent people. Have you found any information about this since your post. I would be interested in hearing about it if you have.

[pmuse]

Are the doctor or the patient I'm confused.  Accusing you of selling meds is ignorance!. Remember when someone accuses you of something they themselves have issues with the subject get that..The Dr. is stupid clearly if he/she does not know that (taking more than one medicine can cancel out another or increase the chance of the half life as being in your system for urine test negative).  Oxycontin is one of those meds. You can take it at say 11 pm 12 hours before and then a culture is drawn say the next day at 2pm it coming up negative it's happened to me.  Nobody really knows for sure how long any given medicine will stay in your system because our chemistry is different.  By the way if you are taking this medicine as directed how come you don't know how to spell it ?  Are you speaking of Vicodin?  Am confused.  Appeal any false allegation, and fight for your life.  Good Luck!

[bbg231]

Just found out that there is a special drug test for percept It is an opiod and if you are tested like me for opietes you will test negative. Most doctors use standard drug tests for opites not opiods. so this must be what happend to me and when I metioned this to the doctor that my doctor brought in to  interigated me and accused me of selling my meds he would`nt listen so come monday morning I will be faxing this info from google and show them they don`t know what they are doing!!!!

[parest200]

Here's other people in the same boat

[Mollyrae]

And, good post....this is why it need to be a topic on it's own. Ppl need to know how to fight for their rights.

[Mollyrae]

Hi npain:

This is a really old post. Why don't you copy and paste it in a new post. I'm sure that it will get ppls attention. At first I thought it was a current post but as I read on, it was evident that all is old.

Please re-post this.

Thanks,
Mollyrae

[npain54]

I too had false negative urin tests and am accused of selling my meds. Lets consider this. Contact an attorney get a unbiased person and a notary. Go to thse folks and take the drugs there in front of 2 people with notarization. Go and pay the lab that gave you the false negative test and see if it happens again (false negative). If it does proceed with litigation againt the doctor and the lab with multiple suits. Malpractice, defamation, liable, pain and suffering. These "professionals" have stuck it to us and I feel turn about is fair play.
Who wants to play?

[jaciv]

I hope you can give me some sort of answer. A person I know uses oxycontin plus breakthrough meds. She takes 40mg oxycontin threes times a day and five I think she said oxcodone. I cant answer this question  because I dont know anything about it and I'm having my own problems finding pain doctor. I told her I would see if I could find an answer for her. She said she woke up at one am  due to pain and took a oxycontin. then when she got up later she took 2 more. she didnt state what time it was. Then she took one more before her doctors appointment which she said was at two thrity. She had a blood test done that day   guess for how much was in her blood. She said she had forgot she had taken the one early in the morning. Sorry this is so long but she is worried her test will show up for taking two much of her meds. Can you help me with some kind of answer for her. She is driving me and herself insane.The medical assitant told her it was for a vitaim D test but she doesnt believe that. Thank you and hope you can help her. I am still trying to find a doctor. It is not easy when you have been labled as a person who sells their meds.

[jaciv]

No I did not intial anything. I seen the doctor take my med. sheet and put it in a plastic bag along my u.a. I did not sign anything having to do with this. Just seen doctor take it out of the room. I don't know where it was put after that. The only time I have put my inital on anything as been a blood test and that was not put on the blood sample just on a piece of paper. Thank you for all your help you have all been so much help to me and I greatly appreciate it. Forgive me If I sent you a message regarding this. I had to take my dog out and when I came back in it was on the home page. Hope I didn't send you two of these.

[sandee1818]

From what you have told us , yes this test shows everything that is in your system. I can not tell you why the oxycodone did not show up in your system. I am sorry.
This is an all to common problem as you see from the numerous post just here in our community. These test are not fool proof. The test you had is the more extensive one but that does not mean it is infallible. There could have been a mistake in the handling of the specimen at the doctors office or even the lab. Humans are not perfect and can make mistakes.
When you had the test done did you initial the specimen cup that it was yours and sign the slip that says what you took that day?
When you have a test done you should...
1) see the nurse seal the cup and then initial it.
2) sign the paper that says what medications you took
3) watch the nurse seal the contents for the lab.

[jaciv]

Then why did this test show up neg. for oxycodone? I don't understand. Thats why I wanted to know because I'm not understanding why he said I showed neg. thank you could you explain has to why then this could happen neg when oxycontin shows up the same has oxycodone? It is one of those tests that shows up everything in your system or so he said. Thanks for all your help.

[sandee1818]

Avee Laboratories, Inc. 14440 Myerlake Circle Clearwater, FL 33760. Office: 866.928.9877. Fax: [phone] ...
You could try calling the lab and tell them the situation and see if they can offer any assistance.

[sandee1818]

Hi,
  I am sorry I have not got back with you sooner. I have looked for the article on McVee labs and 't seem to locate it. I see you made a mistake and it is Aevee labs.
The oxycontin is just oxycodone in an extended release formula so it is essentially oxycodone. The test would show oxycodone for Oxycontin.
I know there are some doctors who are arrogant but there are those who genuinely care about their Pt's well being too.
Do not give up. You need to be looking for a new PM doctor before you run out of medications. Try and make them last as long as possible.
I will help all I can:)

[jaciv]

On the test this Dr.uses are very advanced and expensive. He told me they can tell the difference between oxycontin and oxycodone on these tests.Thats why he has discharged me. Stated I was selling my meds. because I was neg. for oxycodone. Just makes me so upset he is such jerk. He honeslty believes he is better then anyone. Just an arrogant you know what.He knows it all. Nothing could ever go wrong so must be you.You must be pushing your pills. He does this test everytime you go in. He nevers gives random u.a. I told him do you honestly think people here are stupid? We know we are going to get a u.a when we come in. Just like clock work. If some one was going to sell their meds. they would certainly be smart enough to keep some for when they come in. Doesnt think about things like that I guess. I have gotten a u.a every month for five years when I came in. If he wants to catch someone he should mix things up a bit. Make a surpise pill count, that would tell him more then having to spend $1904 on a lab test.

[TrayCee]

no they wouldnt show up differnt.  It would either show as Oxycodone or just an opaite

[jaciv]

I understand that oxycontin is oxcodone but do they show up differently if a ms,ms drug panel test? I made a mistake and I apoligize for it. The name of the lab where my test was sent to is  Avee labs.

[TrayCee]

oxycontin is oxycodone

[jaciv]

Just a question, would the oxycontin have anything to do with a neg. test for oxycodone























Just a question, would oxycontin have anything to do with a neg test for oxycodone?
thank you for all your advise, I am definately in need of all I can get before I go in tomorrow. Thank you so much.








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[jaciv]

Thank you so much. I believe that in my contract he has to give me a thirty day supply. I have  to go into his office tomorrow to be offically discharged.I got on it right away , trying to find another dr. What is going to make this so difficult is that now he is going to make it as hard has possible for me to get another pain Dr. If possible can you please try again to find anything out about a problem with McVee labs so I can possibly show this to either him or his staff. Again thanks so much for your help. I don't know how to search for labs mistakes.

[sandee1818]

You would need a presciption to take to the lab you would use to have the test done.
This could certainly be an option though.