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Think your PATM goes through phones? you are not crazy !

Back when this forum started there were many who would dismiss the basic PATM reactions as being a delusion and as all being made up in the PATMer's head. But the courageous posters that started this forum 12 years ago didn't back down. Didn't allow their concerns to be dismissed. It is sad to see now the same attitude with those that think this goes through phones. Those who believe in tele-PATM should be respected. Many here are now 100% sure that it goes through phones and I think their views should be respected. They are not delusional, they are not paranoid. Not only tele-PATM exists, but it is the key to finding the solution to PATM.
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I've always stated that the way this thing travels is THE key.  There is either 2 completely different problems people call patm or some people just don't want to believe what's happening.
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It might be two different variants. But the thing is that those who believe it travels through phone, video-conference, etc also seem to affect people around them, locally like any PATMer. So it is not that it just goes through phone. These people, call them tele-PATMers, are first and foremost PATMers as well, in that they generate the same reactions locally in the surrounding environment like any PATMer, but, *in addition* they notice it travels through phones, etc. So I believe it is the same PATM. Many have observed that they didn't notice tele-reactions at first but eventually, after paying more attention, they noticed. I think tele-PATM holds the solution to PATM, because when it travels through electronic media PATM can be trapped, digitalized and analyzed. The fact that it telecommunicates will ultimately lead to its demise.
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It definitely travels through phones and video conferences. I can confirm without a doubt that I cause reactions to people over video conference - whether I am muted or not. It truly blows my mind and has opened me up to believe that we do not know much about this world and how it works...
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thank you patm2324 for sharing your experience with tele-PATM. Can you test/experiment more carefully to narrow it down?

1) can you participate in a conference call and have your phone muted all the way from the beginning. Not even turn it on to say hi at the beginning. Perhaps PATM travels through the mic before you muted, so after you mute is already too late. It already arrived at the other side and may generate reactions later during the call even if you are muted.

2) if in a video conference call can you try joining with your camera off (audio only) and also mute from the beginning. That way there shouldn't be any physical possibility for PATM to travel through
Agreed like I have stated before it travels through phone, it's not as obvious as it is live in person but it definitely exists.  Some highlights of my past week experience, talking to coworker and he sneezes, elevated levels of sneezing in the office, it's the norm for me, fortunately it seems like my bosses have come to accept the fact.  Getting pizza at lunch the person making my pizza sneezes.  Getting grocery at store, the person 2 people in front of me sneezes.  I get that people sneeze and it's normal to do so but so much sneezing around me I don't think is.  Wish the powers at be would listen to some of our phone calls and notice the peculiarities if they haven't already.  I find joy talking to the people that don't show reactions and wonder to myself for those that do, what exactly is it, but as a person with solid deduction skills I haven't been able to put my finger on WHY.  Also I've known this thing has attacked me before, just today I got a weird thing caught in my throat for about 10-15 minutes and had to cough constantly and clear my throat, this is the thing that I think we cause to others.  I also had a more intense attack like this over a year ago.  I myself find myself sneezing as well.  I also think it makes others yawn. The most logical conclusion I have come to is it's some type of bacteria in our gut that science hasn't been able to understand yet, if it travels through phone than it is probably communicating i'm thinking to other people's bacteria, maybe not communication as we know it but some type of relationship.  Or like 3 doctors before me have said it's a delusion, I'm not ruling that out even though the empirical evidence presented to me makes me think it's not.  The last doctor I talked to said he didn't know instead of a delusion so theirs that but said he wasn't a specialist so couldn't answer.

I've tried to mute the call on a phone where I've noticed the reaction on other sides and that hasn't helped, strangely I would think it would.  It's hard to mute myself from even the start but will see if any scenario like that can present itself.
Thank you patmhalp for sharing your tele-PATM experience. Please try to experiment and keep us posted what you find. You can often volunteer to *listen in* for conferences calls in which your participation is not strictly required. So you can just say you will just "listen in" meaning you most likely won't intervene, but just want to be aware of what the discussion is about. It won't seem abnormal to remain silent throughout most of the call. Those are excellent opportunities to test whether PATM does go through when you mute from the get go and by later unmuting and seeing if reactions start. You can then compare and contrast with other conference calls in which you are more involved. I encourage everyone experiment this way and report your findings. Try to see if you can induce tele-reactions when muted/unmuted by eating stuff that makes reactions more likely, holding your breath, squeezing your belly and thinking of things that worry you, upset you or make you fearful.
patmhalp, I agree with the yawning. It is not that people are bored by you. probably their brains get heated by your patm, so the yawning helps cool off their brains. It would be interesting to check if people yawn via videoconference as well.
Yawning has nothing to do with patm
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I don’t know if I agree with the yawn but I do agree that science hasn’t been able to understand yet. I’ve seen a new primary doctor this month and he didn’t believe me. I got all blood work done and I’m still slightly anemic. I  saw a holistic doctor and he never heard of something like this. I did 1 treatment of ozone therapy and I think it was pretty effective. I’m gonna  continue going.
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Look, truthfully doctors will never find a cure because they don't believe PATM is real.  And that's the sad part of having PATM. No one will believe you including your own friends and family. They all think you're delusional and PATM doesn't exist. So don't wait for doctors to solve your issue. We have to solve it  ourselves. Listen to body closely, eating properly and have a strong mindset. I did those 3 things and I can honestly tell you I'm 99% cured. Hardly anybody react to me
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When I was at my worse a few years ago, believe or not, this happened to me.  It was weird, man. People were literally reacting to me thru phone or even playing online games (call of duty) and I am not a delusional person. When I first realized I had PATM I never caused any reactions but as my PATM progresses it started slowly and people started reacting. Now, I don't have that problem any more. I barely cause any allergic reactions to people in front of me. I have calmed myself and I started eating properly and have a strong mindset everday decreases my PATM drastically. I'm 99% cured
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