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Do you cause people to become sick around you?
My best friend who I hang out with for maybe 2-3 hours per day has been sick since the 2nd week of college. Not super severe, but he says he's sick. Does anyone else's PATM cause people to become sick if they're around you too much?
We still don't know what a PATM reaction is, but I see no indication that it's anything beyond a minor nuisance to some of the population. I live with 3 other people in a fairly small apartment, and I've been sick since September; they've been fine beyond some coughing and throat clearing when they get near me. I've never had anyone tell me they feel "sick" around me, but some people occasionally move away from me when it looks like I've triggered some bad allergic reaction in them.
It's really not a good way to live life believing that we are hurting others, I think it only worsens PATM. PATM seems to be - at least partially - a psychosomatic disorder. There's no doubt that something has physically changed in our bodies , but I also strongly believe that our thoughts directly influence our physical symptoms. And this is good news, its just one more tool in the toolbox available to everyone suffering from this. To everyone who thinks they may be seriously affecting someone, I recommend clearing your thoughts with meditation or relaxing music. Focusing on yourself and what is happening now really takes some of the pressure off PATM in my opinion.
It's really not a good way to live life believing that we are hurting others, I think it only worsens PATM. PATM seems to be - at least partially - a psychosomatic disorder. There's no doubt that something has physically changed in our bodies , but I also strongly believe that our thoughts directly influence our physical symptoms. And this is good news, its just one more tool in the toolbox available to everyone suffering from this. To everyone who thinks they may be seriously affecting someone, I recommend clearing your thoughts with meditation or relaxing music. Focusing on yourself and what is happening now really takes some of the pressure off PATM in my opinion.
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Mutated DNA gene-I don't have any other explanation of PATM.I trully believe that all of the diseases in the guts are the consequence of what happen in the liver.
That's why probiotics can't cure PATM.
I agree with you 100%.
I appreciate your comment. I have been working on trying to keep my thoughts clear. Hard to do in today’s world especially with patm. I believe there is honestly and validity in your comment.
What I would like to say though is that it is 99%nchance it is affecting my family’s health.o I live in a small but comfortable place with 4 of my children and my wife. I watched their health deteriorate being in the house with me. When they left for 17 days my children health started to rebound. Now they came back same issues returning. Eye rubbing, throat grabbing etc, when I enter the room. After 2 years of exposure my oldest in the home has developed some tic like symptoms. It’s heartbreaking. There is still that .1% chance it is just the environment that if we all leave together it will get better. But I can’t help but notice all the patterns. I know it’s whatever is coming out of me is doing it for sure. Not very scientific but it’s like a poison gas riding out on our brainwaves. I can make it happen by looking at someone directly but I can’t make it stop just by closing my eyes. I believe the long term exposure is taking a toll on their immune system and that is leaving them open to a host of problems. But never a cold. Haven’t seen a green snot in over 18 months from anyone in the house.
What I would like to say though is that it is 99%nchance it is affecting my family’s health.o I live in a small but comfortable place with 4 of my children and my wife. I watched their health deteriorate being in the house with me. When they left for 17 days my children health started to rebound. Now they came back same issues returning. Eye rubbing, throat grabbing etc, when I enter the room. After 2 years of exposure my oldest in the home has developed some tic like symptoms. It’s heartbreaking. There is still that .1% chance it is just the environment that if we all leave together it will get better. But I can’t help but notice all the patterns. I know it’s whatever is coming out of me is doing it for sure. Not very scientific but it’s like a poison gas riding out on our brainwaves. I can make it happen by looking at someone directly but I can’t make it stop just by closing my eyes. I believe the long term exposure is taking a toll on their immune system and that is leaving them open to a host of problems. But never a cold. Haven’t seen a green snot in over 18 months from anyone in the house.
I was also working with an older gentleman that would get extremely sick every time we worked together and only at those times. He put 1+1 together. He said I should go to the hospital because obviously there is poison coming out of me. I told him I’ve been to a few and the ER. Only to be laughed at and 2 psych Recs. That was last year fast foreword to this year. I have now found this forum so I know I’m not crazy. I now have a leaky gut and poor functioning liver and pancreas. Kinda sucks but I’m glad they now know something is wrong. If they would have believed me the 1st time I went in last year and ran a test or two it would have never gotten to this point. I don’t expect these for profit hospitals to help much. But if they woulda put a little more effort into it I may have found out on my own earlier. Instead they just made me mad and that increased my patm. Now when I have to go in to the medical offices (not much cause I’m convinced they won’t help) I just blow and blow like the big bad wolf and try and force reactions. It gave some small joy last trip to see the doctor slapping continuously at her face and neck like there was a gnat flying around her. I knew it was patm at its best.
You need to stop feeling bad for yourself and start taking care of your body. Many people have said over and over again that consuming sugar, processed food, dairy etc etc makes PATM worse. If you really want to help your family immediately, eat healthy, exercise, get plenty of rest/sleep and lower your stress levels. You will see your PATM reactions diminish drastically.
I to have a family and I know how you feel but you have to have patience and determination. Educate yourself and treat your body with respect.
I suffered from adrenal fatigue for many years but did not know it until I started to educate myself. I slowed down on my exercising, I chose abstinence when it came to alcohol, smoking and sex. This has giving my body a fighting chance to get rid of PATM. I no longer suffer from adrenal fatigue and people always compliment me and say that I look many years younger than my actual age.
I to have a family and I know how you feel but you have to have patience and determination. Educate yourself and treat your body with respect.
I suffered from adrenal fatigue for many years but did not know it until I started to educate myself. I slowed down on my exercising, I chose abstinence when it came to alcohol, smoking and sex. This has giving my body a fighting chance to get rid of PATM. I no longer suffer from adrenal fatigue and people always compliment me and say that I look many years younger than my actual age.
Hi Ray.Maybe that is the reason why I reduced drastically PATM reactions with probiotic with low histamine and zinc.Zinc is important for men especially because we lose zinc when we ejaculate.That's why in our condition is heplful to not masturbate and ejaculate often.
Zinc participates in the synthesis of DNA and is cofactor about process methylation in the body which reduces stress levels.
Ray. Your comment to me on this thread is very true. I appreciate it. I haven't followed the protocol that I know at least helps so of course I continue to jeopardize my family's health. I'm trying here. Removing stress is almost impossible at this point. I have 9 kids total , 2 in college and 4 small ones here in my home.
Again thank you for your post. It is my responsibility to make changes for the better even if not a cure. I wish you and yours all the luck in the world. I'm pulling for you in my own ways.
Mindscape also. You have a good view on this. It has been appreciated. Again in my own ways I look up to you 2 and the Things you post.
Again thank you for your post. It is my responsibility to make changes for the better even if not a cure. I wish you and yours all the luck in the world. I'm pulling for you in my own ways.
Mindscape also. You have a good view on this. It has been appreciated. Again in my own ways I look up to you 2 and the Things you post.
Hi, It may be that yes or no, for sure no one knows or approves. I live in a house with 5 Departments and nobody gets sick, nobody coughs or sneezes so exaggerated except for those who pass by the street as some cough exaggeratedly, but that only happens 1 or 2 times a day. Some said that the PATM is contagious but to my knowledge I was never reported by anything like my neighbors and my colleagues at work and study. For me that NO, sometimes we tend to exaggerate and in our condition we come to think that we are the cause. The best thing to do is to relax because if you think about it, the PATM gets worse because mentally you are stressing and the anxiety will come.
This is still the biggest problem of PATM for me. I think it was most apparent at my internship over the summer where I was in the same room as people for 8 hours per day. People got really sick and I ended up quitting. It’s very common in college as well but I only have to be around people for short increments at a time.
The people who interact with me a lot tend to get sick easily. I wish people built immunity but after every break it’s the same thing over again.
The people who interact with me a lot tend to get sick easily. I wish people built immunity but after every break it’s the same thing over again.
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Yea I go through the same thing at work and after awhile they get so congested that they will complain of headaches because it feels like they have a sinus pressure. It’s really sad to hear and it makes me feel bad even though they’ve never blamed it on me. I just bought an air purifier at my home
And it seems to be working. But I would like to get one at work but they’re so big. I wish they had a small one that I can walk around with or something lol.
You bring up a great point mindspace, we lose many vitamins and minerals when we engage in sex or masturbation.
OUR BODIES ARE ALREADY DEPLETED BECAUSE OF THE FOOD CHOICES WE HAVE TO MAKE. Masturbating just compounds the problem, we lose all those vitamin and minerals.
That's why I take vitamin A,C,D,E etc,etc.
OUR BODIES ARE ALREADY DEPLETED BECAUSE OF THE FOOD CHOICES WE HAVE TO MAKE. Masturbating just compounds the problem, we lose all those vitamin and minerals.
That's why I take vitamin A,C,D,E etc,etc.
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mmm That I know, the doctor recommends sex or masturbation to reduce to help eliminate stress and anxiety because it also generates types of substance that helps the body to ............. contradictory. I do not know where you read that.
Hello ocvq,
If your young and your body was in optimal condition, then I could see that having sex everyday would not be a problem. But most of us with PATM have gut issues that lead to mal absorption of vitamins and minerals which leads to all sorts of health issues including adrenal fatigue and over loading the liver with toxins. It’s a snowball effect, one symptom feeds into another and before you know it, your in the hospital.
Research all the vitamins and minerals the human loses when sex is performed or when you masturbate.
If your young and your body was in optimal condition, then I could see that having sex everyday would not be a problem. But most of us with PATM have gut issues that lead to mal absorption of vitamins and minerals which leads to all sorts of health issues including adrenal fatigue and over loading the liver with toxins. It’s a snowball effect, one symptom feeds into another and before you know it, your in the hospital.
Research all the vitamins and minerals the human loses when sex is performed or when you masturbate.
Look, I do not have any problems in my body, now I'm completely fine, the only thing I have is a stationary allergy, even more, since I have PATM I do not have a cold, before the PATM I used to get sick from the stomach, from the flu each season (spring, summer, autumn, winter), but with PATM did not make me sick at all, there are also people who have this PATM problem for 2 years and do not have any other health problem, in this forum they are commenting, then, How do you explain what you say? Well in reality PATM is incomprehensible, nobody knows what it is or where it comes from, MEBO is not clear either.
Ocvq, it is called age/wisdom and a little research. I’ve had this longer than you were born. I have spent thousands of dollars and seen all different types of doctors so yea I think that PATM gets worse when engaging in sex. I have talked to many of my Chinese friends who tell tell me that they experience the same thing. I’m not saying that this is what causes PATM but it does make it worse.
I simply look for coherence, age wisdom does not have to be conditioning for that, unfortunately no one knows that it is actually true about the PATM or why factors are produced and worsens, still do not know if it is some gas or bacteria, MEBO says study it, but in its pages there is nothing confirmed or clear, simply PATM is unknown. Perhaps the pharmacists or drugstores, as well as some suitable in the subject do not study it because it is not profitable. Unfortunately PATM is in women and men. If you have so many studies done on the subject it would be good to publish something more objective and with more credible and accurate data. But hey, thanks anyway.
Well your going to spend your whole life looking for coherence because that is one thing PATM does not have. Good luck.
Something else, is it supposed to be something that comes out of our body through sweat or breathing or something like that? Well, I messed up my clothes for a week, if a week without washing I used a pair of clothes, I took several to different places, a couple of clothes to my work and the other in the apartment I live, I wanted to know if my sweat was sticking or something similar, but no, the PATM is with one, it does not stick on the clothes with sweat or with your breathing, it leaves me uncertain, I left my dirty clothes at work thinking that they would react even if I left but it did not happen that, I locked myself in my room a day and night to accumulate what I breathe and my smell to know if when I leave my room to my work my neighbors would still feel my PATM because I leave something in my room closed, but no, I just leave the place and everything returns to normal, really leave me speechless, how do I explain that to a doctor? Jaja PATM is incomprehensible.
In my situation, PATM does not have smell, it gets worse when I eat junk food, carbohydrates, etc....if I eat a donut I know that I’m going to suffer PATM reactions until this food leaves my body and I have burnt the calories that were produced by it.
I found out long ago that after having sex it would get worse. I proved it many times over.
As crazy as it sounds, I also make people cough when talking to them over the phone.
So to make long story short there is no coherence when it comes to PATM.
I found out long ago that after having sex it would get worse. I proved it many times over.
As crazy as it sounds, I also make people cough when talking to them over the phone.
So to make long story short there is no coherence when it comes to PATM.
Amen, Amen @ray2502 !
People must take action to
get better and reduce the possibility that they are causing others to become sick
Change your food choices and start living healthy 365days a year
People must take action to
get better and reduce the possibility that they are causing others to become sick
Change your food choices and start living healthy 365days a year
I believe the mutated dna gene also. Somehow I believe that my dna expressions got switched on. My last child #9 who was born after my patm started but before I knew what it was had some genetic traits for my family history. None of the other just him. There have been other signs that have lead me down that path to dna gene mutation.
On a side note. My patm is very extreme at times. If I was on the porch even neighbors a few houses away would come out coughing without even seeing me. Cars next too me. The works. It mentally caused me to deliver my child at home unassisted but planned that way. Ended up being the Best experience of my adult life but knowing what I know now. It was PATM that put so much fear in me I didn’t even want to deal with the people in the hospitals.
On a side note. My patm is very extreme at times. If I was on the porch even neighbors a few houses away would come out coughing without even seeing me. Cars next too me. The works. It mentally caused me to deliver my child at home unassisted but planned that way. Ended up being the Best experience of my adult life but knowing what I know now. It was PATM that put so much fear in me I didn’t even want to deal with the people in the hospitals.
Well, I'm with my family and neighbors, besides my co-workers, no one so far has emulated, luckily they do not feel my PATM, but if you feel when I go on the train or bus or any other place that agglutinates many people, for X reason my PATM is decreasing ....
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