Do you still have your tonsils?

[Justincase_25]

I believe this might be related to our tonsils.  Please click yes or no.  I need to see if this is the root of the many causes of issues we are currently having.  Have a great day patmers !

[mindspace]

Hi Justin I don't believe that tonsils are the problem.I believe the problem is about gut flora and homocysteine and methylation.Do you have more reactions in the late afternoon,in the evening and early in the morning before you eat?Homocysteine is amino acid which produce sulphur.

[grateful2011]

Awesome mindspace !

I agree with your assessment of the combined factors of bad gut flora and high homocysteine levels and poor methylation process in our bodies  that produce PATM.

When did you find out about methylation?


I am now taking supplements to help increase methylation in my body and am very happy with the results that help me to be PATM free !

Keep up the proactive work and God Bless always !

[ocvq]

It seems a joke everything, because I already tried everything a little, I started with the candida diets, then the celiac diet, then the diet low in Histamine, etc., all for about 2 months, none worked, the diet of candida gave me as more energy but did not reduce the PATM, PATM continues, besides, as I said several times; PATM does not discriminate the climate and has a surprising speed for its propagation, this other saying that it passes through glass windows?
 On the other hand the latter started to take SB, vitamin complex, vitamin C with L-NAC acetylcysteine, loratadine 10 mg, etc., I did not work on me, some put me more "energy" but nothing else, PATM remains the same, the only thing what works for me is; relax and relieve stress anxiety, on the other hand positive thinking helps you relax too, the latter note that when I cover my nose and then drink water, this cap on the nose low and then a half hour again to cover, also low when I think of positive things relaxed, very weird everything.

Worst of all is that a doctor will cough you with your stuffy nose scratching his head and tell you that such a disease as PATM does not exist and that I am supposed to be "crazy" because according to him I imagine things ...... ..

What gives me a bit of things is that children feel it too, that's what "hurts" me the most.

On the other hand, in the physiological profile I am half "handsome", well at least before the PATM had many suitors, when PATM appeared practically I locked myself up and became antisocial, I constantly present circumstances of being with a girl but I avoid them because of my condition with PATM, it is as if I escaped from them, the latter came out hurriedly from a place and the girl asked me; You are gay? And I did not know what to do.

Currently I continue with the PATM but in moments this is canceled, it is as if it appeared according to my state of mind
I clarify that I have no infection in the skin or other places, the only symptom or problem I have is nasal congestion like allergies, only nose, after all is well, also clarify that my PATM is worse when I crash with a bicycle and I fracture the Shoulder, I am currently waiting for the vacation to have a surgery on my shoulder

I do not know that it will be PATM, I do not know how it propagates at high speeds, I do not know how to transfer glass windows, I do not know how it has the ability to be constantly if the weather affects it, or the contrary wind.

[keltic]

Yes, it's the same for me, eating healthy and taking these supplements doesn't help me alone, it's the combination of vitamine deficiency and negative thoughts. But the questions is, what has triggered this body problem? Probably it's possible that negative thoughts are somehow changing the way our immune system is working. But it seems an intestinal microbial imbalance is triggering these negative thoughts as well.

[unravel]

I am leaning more towards PATM as a sound wave. To quote from https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/aug/25/how-could-the-sonic-attack-on-us-diplomats-in-cuba-have-been-carried-out :

"Targeted at people, infrasound can resonate with the stomach cavity, causing people to suddenly feel anxious or nauseated."

Researchers need to measure this sound wave, and reveal what part of the human body emits it.

[Justincase_25]

Never mind I was able to find them on Amazon and I Added them to my wish list!  I will let you guys know when I buy the products and try them out and see if they do help with the PAT home. Thank you so much again mind space!

[Justincase_25]

Grateful was the one who suggested me to take desiccated beef liver pills. I use the brand from Amazon called Perfect desiccated liver grass fed cattle beef liver pills. It’s got a blue label on it and two cows are on the label. It’s all natural, and it’s an amazing supplement. You have to take four capsules a day. I’m currently just taking desiccated beef liver pills, saccharomyces boulardii +MOS from Jarrow Formulas, and I have been noticing a difference. The supplements that you are mentioning, can you get them off of Amazon? Have a good day minespace!!!

[Justincase_25]

I’ve been taking desiccated beef liver pills and that seems to be helping as well as a b complex, SB probiotics, and candida cleanse.  I believed it is our methylation process as well.  That makes more sense.  Mindspace, you are on the right track!  Since adding the b complex , I’ve noticed a HUGE reduction in reactions.  I work in a big hospital and I would hear coughing sneezing, weird looks, etc. all day.  I still get the disapproving looks, but I’m strong and okay with that.  I say hi and keep it moving.  Men are the worst though.  They literally look at me as if I’m the most vile human being in Orlando HAHAHA !  Oh well.  I am going to get these supplements that you recommend and see if they make a difference.  Also, my job as an RN is stressful.  I have noticed a reduction in reactions when my patients code and other stressors (traffic, mean people, etc.) Thank you mindspace!  I will keep you all updated :)

[mindspace]

Hi Justincase_25.What brand  desiccated beef liver pills you take?For me that is the main problem because there are so many doctors that talk about b12 deficiency and they say about 25-30% of the world population have this.And people with b12 deficiency are more likely to have candida overgrowth.I think that is the reason why I'm about 90%patm free but not 100% because we try to heal the consequences but not the reason.And I don't think the problem is with men.For me it's all the same with men and women.Somebody here take methyl guard plus and bplex pro max and if he/she has improvements let's keep updated us.

[Justincase_25]

If you take zinc and you feel nauseous, it’s because your body does jot need zinc.  Your levels of zinc are completely normal.  I regularly take b complex daily as well as SB and milk thistle.  I’m friends with an infectious disease doc yere at my work so I’ll do a chat with them to see what else we could do for tue methylation process to work.  

[mindspace]

Hi Justincase_25.It;s important not to take folate but to take methylfolate or methyltetrahydrofolate.Also b12 should not be cianocobalamin -it should be methylcobalamin,also we should take trymethylglycine.But what I doubt is what amino acid should I take.N-acetyl cysteine increase histamine levels and I doubt whether I should take this.

[keltic]

@mindspace did you take this "kyo-dophilus 9" probiotic you mentioned and if yes, has it helped you?

[mindspace]

Hi @keltic.Read about all of the information in this topic.I think that is the major problem of our condition.Check your vitamin b12 levels and homocysteine levels(produce sulphur).I don't think any of the probiotics can't cure PATM.Yes I take kyo-dophilus 9 but I don't see any improvement.We don't do effective detox of the body because of the process methylation.We need methylfolate,methylcobalamin,trimethylglycine,B complex to make this process properly.Otherwise we have high levels of homocysteine which is toxic-it increase histamine levels and that leads to stress and autoimmune diseases.At the moment I doubt what is the right treatment because our condition is complicated.Due to this MTHFR gene deficiency we are much more sensitive to electromagnetic radiation than others.

[keltic]

do you have increased homocysteine levels? And do you have a diagnosis with this MTHFR gene deficiency?

[mindspace]

I have some relief with vitamin b-complex and trymethylglycine.I haven't check my homocysteine levels but I have problems with smell gases and tinnitus.Homocysteine levels are high from afternoon till evening-my patm reactions are worse in the afternoon  and in the evening.There are some people here who cured PATM with NAC(N-acetyl cysteine).

[keltic]

I agree, i think it's possible that many patmers have high homocysteine levels but tbh i don't think it's the main problem. I feel the reactions decreasing when taking b vitamins however we would have many more obvious problems due to a very abnormal homocysteine level because if patm is just caused by a (slightly) increased homocysteine level, many more people would have patm. Maybe it's a combination of different things. For example the negativity of my thoughts seem to play a big role i just don't know exactly why the reactions are decreasing when feeling happy maybe positive thoughts are releasing anything in the body which neutralizes the effects of this thing

[mindspace]

It's because these MTHFR gene deficiency is related to stress,neurological problems,autoimmune diseases and so many other things parasites,leaky gut as well.

[keltic]

Could be but how do you explain the reactions in other people, do you think it's possible this methylation process works differently when being stressed? And what makes you so sure it's a genetic problem? Just because b-vitamines are helping to decrease these reactions?
bcs i think it's more likely, patm is just a symptom created by the mind due to a stressfull event or an uncommon body problem or both

[mindspace]

Actually we are not born with this but due to digestive problems which we all have this problem is becoming a serious danger for menthal and physical health.And maybe somehow is related to TMAU2 I don't know.So many people have this but I think that many people don't know about it.What I've read is that people with this problem are more sensitive to electromagnetic radiation and is more harmful for their health.And that make sense to me because I know that I'm electrosensitive(i have tinnitus).
And that is the problem why we take so many supplements without having any effect.Maybe it's related to mind but I don't have problems with depression,anxiety now and still having some reactions.For me it's important to check homocysteine levels because if I'm right we will be cured very soon.

[keltic]

ok yes i think we are on the right track i also don't feel angry/anxious/depressive but i think it's possible that we (subconsciously) don't want to feel these emotions and our mind has decided to show us these reactions in other people instead of us  (reactions we would have if we would feel nervous/anxious/angry  ourself) i have read something about projection and this would fit on me because i see it vanishing when stop focussing on negative life aspects
(which is easier when eating healthy/ also little bit by taking these supplements) this would at least explain things like the enourmes speed "it" travels because then it's our mind focussing on these reactions after projecting it instead of any particles released by us

[mindspace]

Keltic actually we should change our diet.We should take methylcobalamin rich foods.So no sugar and no diary again but yes to fish,eggs,beef,liver beef,shrimps,mussels etc.Today I eat fish and things are better.And I think that probiotics will be effective when we take methylcobalamin rich foods because methylcobalamin deficiency is the problem why we not do detox properly.

[keltic]

yes you're right eating healthy is the gist for patm. btw i've recently found a good sugar substitute for me(rebaudioside-a) i hope the researchers are right and it's not harmful haha sadly it's expensive up to now

[grateful2011]

@mindspace , congratulations I am happy you are doing better !  Do you take NAC also ?
Which B complex do you take ?

What do you do to strengthen Methylation in your body ?

[mindspace]

@grateful2011 I take Garden of Life Raw B-Complex.As for the NAC somebody said that is not ok for people with histamine intolerance.So I don't know which amino acid is good for our problem but I take zinc and trymethylglycine supplement and I'm feeling better.

[ray2502]

Hello mindspace,

My PATM reactions are worse when I feel a bowel movement coming. After I go to the restroom, patm reactions decrease significantly. Like has something to do with the large intestine and the last part of the small intestine. Whether it has to do with the liver, I don't know.

I've taken zinc in the past and it made me want to throw up. I will  check my vitamin b12 levels thanks.

[mindspace]

Hi Ray.Check your homocysteine too and write here if you have problem with this.

[grateful2011]

Happy Saturday @mindspace and all !

again I ask you @mindspace when did you learn about  this important process of our bodies called
             Methylation ?????


I just learned about Methylation in about August 2017 .  I now take supplements that help my body to methylate better.


God Bless always !

[mindspace]

Hi Greatful2011!I'm glad to see you here.Everybody in this forum talk about TMAU and damaged gut flora.Last 1 or 2 years many doctors talked about b12 deficiency and homocysteine.Homocysteine is amino acid that produce sulphur and it's very toxic.Homocysteine make huge part of the process of methylation.I also read about this before 2 months.It's all related-leaky gut,candida,IBS,IBD,homocysteine levels,histamine intolerance,food intolerances,degradation of amino acids,electromagnetic radiation,enzyme dificiency,electrosensitivity,b12 deficiency,methioninine,mutated DNA etc.There is so much info in the net.That's why this problem is very serious because is the problem of the whole body.We all have gene deficiency.Also I am a lot better due to vitamin B complex,zinc and trymethylgly
cine.

[Betterdays7]

Tonsils have to do something with PATM. I have suffered from fbb and I figured out the culprit was my tonsils which I'm actually getting removed next week. I frequently get tonsil stones so I have to be on top of cleaning them out by gargling  with salt water and using a q tip by dipping it in hydrogen peroxide and using it to clean my tonsils and getting the stones out. I think having these tonsils inflammed is our body reacting to PATM. My PATM is the best it's ever been as of now by incorporating Vitamine D, B Vitamime, amino acid capsules and natural pre work out powder I use that have essential vitamins and amino acids. My diet is vegan based but still way fish like salmon. My reactions are minimal to none. I still avoid anything processed and especially sugar.

[ray2502]

Please do not get a tonsillectomy if you think it's going to cure your patm. I did this about 20 years ago and I have never experienced such excruciating pain for at least 10 days is when the pain peaks. All because I thought it would take care of PATM and it did not do anything for me except give me pain and suffering for many weeks.
I would highly recommend not to go thru with it because you will be sorely disappointed. Save your money. Just trying to help you guys.

[mindspace]

Hi ray2502.I definitely agree with you.Tonsillectomy I also think is not cure for PATM.But ray did you check your homocysteine levels and your vitamin b12 levels.I have more PATM reactions from afternoon till evening.Homocysteine levels increase in the afternoon and in the evening.Actually homocysteine is amino acid that produce sulphur.Also there are so many people with this genetic deficiency.Somehow I think this is related to TMAU and the process of methylation which we always talk about here.There are people that cured PATM with n-acetyl cysteine,l-gluthation,vitamin B complex,folate and trimethylglycine.Somehow this is related to the gut flora and maybe to the whole body and what I think is that liver is the most important organ in the body because is the filter of the body.That's why so many people have problems with liver.Liver flushes may be so effective in our condition.

[ocvq]

I have an inflamed side. Maybe that is due to the reaction that we ourselves, I do not know, the doctor said that it was nothing serious, also also said that it appears due to the allergy immitation, most PATMers have it since we are allergic to ourselves, that's why Histamines were mentioned at one time, but according to me, I do not think that's the problem, the underlying problem is another, the impaired tonsils is only an effect or reaction due to PATM or another kind of allergy.

[Justincase_25]

You NAILED IT!  Yes, I am getting a tonsillectomy soon because I have had strep throat around 8 times in 2016.  Yes, our histamine levels are high.  I started having PATM problems right around when I started working out.  I was already dieting hard; however, I would crave sweets, chips, soda/pop, etc.  Anything processed, I would cheat on for a day out of the week, and then I would continue on with a paleo diet.  I am still taking candida cleanse supplements as well as doing a vegan smoothie diet.  It sucks, but I'm trucking along.  I have noticed that when I continue dieting, my tonsils become severely inflamed, and I think that's our bodies trying to fight the candida overgrowth.  All in all, it has to be a fungal overgrowth.  

[mindspace]

Hi Justincase_25!Be careful with tonsillectomy because doctors will prescribe antibiotic again and that is not the right step to decrease PATM reactions and you'll be in cycles again.Last antibiotic which i took was one year ago  and I had horrible bad breath due to that.Also there are  so many people that don't have candida overgrowth because it's yeast infection and the smell should be like yeast.I had musty smell before because I was diagnosed with aflatoxin and aspergillus niger which are mycotoxins and are related to toxic mold which is serious problem and many people in this forum have this.In your case  I think that you take so many supplements and it's like chaos for body or some kind of stress.Take no more than 2 or 3 supplements per day which yo think that are most effective.In my case what works is low histamine probiotic(we all need good bacteria),vitamin b complex including b12,folate and l-glutathione because I think that N-acetyl cysteine is high in histamine.You should do detox(cleanse) no more than month because we lose also good bacteria when we do detox.After that you should rest for a month and if you think that you need again to detox it's the same.But if you do detox for 6 months or year without rest it's not good.As i said we need good bacteria,we don't need to lose good bacteria.

[Justincase_25]

I definitely agree with you mindspace!  For quite sometime, anytime I would eat animal protein, my reactions increased.  The tonsil correlation comes from the halitosis that I have currently been battling.  Additionally, my ENT wants me to get a tonsillectomy.  I have had tonsillitis all my life so far, and as a solution, doctors would give me antibiotics immediately which changed my guy flora and so on and so forth.  I am doing a vegan diet, and my reactions have decreased dramatically.  I believe our bodies cannot break down animal protein correctly...again, from my own experience.  Have a great day to all !!

[nepafou]

Like you I'm having problems with my tonsils. Though they are not imflamed, they produce more tonsil stones then considered normal, which results in occasionally quite heavy halitosis.

So I'm also considering a tonsillectomy to at least get rid of this one issue. You often hear  horror stories (bleeding, infections, pain ...) of adults getting a tonsillectomy, but all the hassle should be totally worth it.  One thing less to worry about.

May I ask, do you only or mostly trigger reactions when you directly talk to other people? If that's the case, perhaps your problem is "simply" halitosis?!

[ocvq]

I hope that is the solution, but unfortunately, many of this forum tried all the existing diets, I probe; Candida diet for 2 months, diet low in histamines 1 month, celiac diet 1 month, among others, none work. For 1 year I was with different diets, only lose weight as 20 kilos.

[ocvq]

I hope that is the solution, but unfortunately, many of this forum tried all the existing diets, I probe; Candida diet for 2 months, diet low in histamines 1 month, celiac diet 1 month, among others, none work. For 1 year I was with different diets, only lose weight as 20 kilos.