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Keratosis Pilaris and PATM

Wondering if anyone else has this skin condition on their upper arms. Supposedly it's related to gluten intolerance and stomach permeability - but like most digestive mysteries, there is no consensus. So do any of you have this?  
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@ mindspace that is a blessing that you are patm free with your girlfriend - I know that inspires you to keep being proactive with your health , excellent!

@hopeful12345 yes is patm free , I believe.
If he chooses to eat meat, that is his decision.
My choice is a personal one , to not eat meat.
So the choice is yours my friend.

Njoy your wonderful week !
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I believe hopeful12345 is PATM free but is still dealing with TMAU. I think maybe he thought he had PATM but in reality the smell he was emitting was actually caused by TMAU and people were allergic to it.
@ray2502
I believe no one has beaten this problem but there are exceptions and I’ll talk about it later. Let’s put the facts forward first. We know PATM causes allergic reaction and sickness on other people. We also know that it’s got to be in the blood in high concentrated form because that’s how it ends up on the breath, sweat, urine. Those are the facts.

I’ve gotten rid of PATM plenty of times just like them. I think I can get rid of PATM faster than anyone given what I know now. If want PATM to disappear in the next 24 hours, it can be done. The problem is that it keeps coming back once we are on a normal diet again. This means that once you eat normally the compound starts to elevate in concentration level in the blood. I’ve observed this many times as I start eating up again. It starts a mild form that keeps going up.

When people in the forum say they are cured, they are not. They mean they’ve done their diet, take their antibiotics (natural or artificial) and PATM compound has fallen low in the blood to be recognized by other people.
This is supported by the fact that we all eat and drink the same thing because everyone is sharing their ideas so everybody gets to try it.
Here's something I found out about the PQQ antioxidant. Antioxidants helps to reduce my PATM but not much. I’ve tried so many of them. Then I took PQQ once and PATM was at its worst. Did a search and found out while it has great antioxidant capabilities, it brings livelihood to anything, including all of the gut bacteria, both good and bad. I immediately stopped taking them. It was like taking a glass of whole milk.
Shanka Prakshalana - look it up. It'll help clear your gut of whatever is causing you to emit these chemicals. I did it 2 days ago, and reactions have greatly decreased. Not exaggerating.
@TAPAKAH
Those are voodoos really. It has no basis in science or reality. Stretching, yoga and exercising are basically the same thing. It's not going to heal any disease caused by microbes.
I think it's clear to the human mind that yoga is not going to heal leaky gut or affect bacterial imbalance.
The yoga is just to stimulate bowel movements. The point is that salt water goes into your intestines instead of your bladder, so you do this on a (relatively) empty stomach and wash out all the gunk. I was pooping water by the end haha.

Up to you man - all I know is that PATM reactions in my presence have practically ceased, and I did the exercise on Saturday.
@TAPAKAH
I know what you’re saying TAPAKAH and thank you for the information. Btw, someone posted a while ago, I’m not sure what forum, he got rid of nasty smell by doing a water fast for 2 weeks. I did it and it’s true even though I didn’t reach exactly two weeks because I couldn’t walk because of the lack of energy. Someone also posted the same thing but instead of water, just cabbage juice. They all have the same effect, it will decrease PATM and sometimes completely gone. I’ve explained why this happens too many times. However, once you eat anything, PATM will come back. This why @grateful2011 veggie diet is safer and better long term.

Regarding how water & salt travel through the digestive path, it’s no mystery. This has been mapped out scientifically and I’ve learned them in the first human biology courses I took.

Salt and water will get absorbed into the lining of the small intestine like anything else. There are no exceptions to this. All the veins surrounding the small intestine will lead directly to the hepatic portal vein. The blood from there is filtered by the liver… toxins are removed. All excess water and water-soluble compounds like salts, alcohol will be pushed into the kidneys by the liver, to process and removed from the bloodstream and stored temporarily in the bladder. Fat soluble toxins are pushed by the liver into the gall bladder ready to be discharged back into the intestine.

Any water that remains as everything reaches the colon are sucked back into the blood stream again. There’s a catch to this, if there’s unprocessed food that the body can’t process like artificial carbs such as Lactulose, bacteria will act on it producing acid and metabolites which has osmotic effect. This draws water into the colon and as a result the poop is soft or watery sometimes. This is why some undigested carbs are used for constipation.

Therefore, regardless how much water you drink, it will be removed through your urine, not poop. There are cultures where men drink just like they drink alcohol and it doesn’t affect their poop, just constant urination. When people drink bear all night, percentage is usually 4%-6% alcohol, the other 90% is water. That water and alcohol (water soluble) is removed from the small intestine into the liver and into the kidneys.

The good think about drinking excessive water, is that excess of everything in the blood is always lessened. PATM compounds are always reduced in concentration every time you pee or sweat. This is why I always drink a lot water but it wouldn’t change much if I’ve just eaten a bar of chocolate really.
This is something interesting. Sauerkraut which is a form of probiotic food where cabbages and salt & water are added. You can either add the probiotic strains or just rely on the strains floating in the air. Some people do this by leaving their bowl Sauerkraut outside for a while or someplace that is expected to have good strains. Facts are, we are really repeating the same thing that we’ve always done in this forum.
dontgiveuphope,

There was this French girl about a year ago that apparently received a blood transfusion and it cured here. I don't know much about it other than she did not want to go into detail or post anymore information on this forum.

What do you think about this?

Yeah, I read about it too. I've had blood transfusion after my accident as I've written already here but it didn't do anything to me. I was unconscious for a few days and had to be aided with oxygen supplementation. I think I've read about other people whom have received blood transfusion and still nothing.
@ray2502
Have you tested for your IgA level again?
No, I just changed Doctors and hopefully I can get a full checkup again soon. I just have to get to know him better before I go and ask for the IgA level or a complete physical.

May I ask what kind of accident were you in? You don't have to answer that if you feel uncomfortable.
The car I was in got crushed between two vehicles... front and back.
If you do get checked out, can you let me know? I'm expecting your IgA to be low again.
Traditional Sauerkraut is fermented and will contain probiotics. Most commercially available Sauerkraut is highly processed and contains no probiotics; stay away from any Sauerkraut that isn't refrigerated as the strains will have long died off. If you want to eat Sauerkraut for gut health, buy the organic refrigerated stuff. Kimchi, which is also fermented, has the same effect and tastes somewhat better.
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one more thing ...

these days I am enjoying being patm free - by choosing to be consistent in my healthy choices each day .
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@da16424
On my previous post I mentioned an article where a doctor in china is curing refractory IBD patients with fecal microbiota transplant (FMT) as an additional benefit their skin lesions also improved. Go read it, it’s very interesting.
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@da16424
That’s very common in all types of infections such as C.diff, typhoid and so on. It’s thought of as a result of toxins accumulating near the skin area. Since PATM is thought of as a type infection from one or more strains in the gut, it’s no surprise if any of us develop these symptoms. Many severe diseases just don’t cause leaky gut, they actually go a little further by piercing holes in the gut and cause unbelievable pain or death.

Ulcer was thought of as a result of too much acid, food and drug intake but recent findings showed that 80%-90% are caused by the E. coli bacteria. It makes sense because why would someone develop gut sores that never heal. What they’ve found out is that E. coli pore deep into the stomach wall removing the mucous layer and acid and other food help eat away a bigger area within the gut wall.

So the question now is why would we develop leaky gut in the first place and never heal? Supposedly, the gut is like the tongue; it should heal very fast without intervention. If you accidently bite your tongue in the evening, you wake up the next morning it’s all gone. Our gut should behave the same way. Therefore, my opinion, the only explanation for this continuous leaky gut, something is keeping it that way. It could be one or more gut microbes.
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Amen, Amen ! more Greens for patm free health,
that's also why Chlorophyll is a plus also.

Yes, I too believe our guts are the central problem.  So now as I'm thinking about it -
the form of intermittent fasting that I am doing
by making sure that at least twelve hours up to sixteen hours exists from dinner to my first meal the next day - is making a difference.

I say this because those "fasting" hours allows my body to metabolize more/burn fat -and I would say thus helping to get rid of some of the  toxins etc.

also , Thank you @mindspace for making a positive difference in your life and this forum.

Enjoy your day y'all , stay well and God Bless !
grateful2011 my girlfriend is not allergic to me and I'm so happy.She doesn't coughs around me and she knows about Patm.Also about meat you know that hopeful1234 is patm free and he doesn't stop to eat meat.So for me is that red met is not ok because is high in histamine and also lactobacillus bulgaricus and paracasei are high in histamine.Don't take probiotics with these strains.
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it seems to me that its name more recognized by the medicine is mucoid plaque  or biofilm. I've been a little over a year and I can not finish.  
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To confirm this, I would like people who can pay for the endoscopy capsule exam, to publish their results. Please, this would be the end point, to continue testing medicines or tools to get this out of the gut. And it has to be the capsule, because normal endoscopy does not reach the small intestine.
@Patm_13
Sorry I don’t mean to be bad but I’m just revealing facts for everyone’s understanding… “mucoid plaque” is not a terminology in medicine. It’s a term used often by naturapath and quacks. You can easily find if something is real or just made up stuff by pasting into google scholar.
Biology101 will show anyone why this idea is both silly and irrational but unfortunately most so-called naturalpaths and nutritionists on YouTube (they often call themselves doctors but are not) haven’t taken any university science courses throughout their entire lives so just interpret anything they read the way they want it, just to sell their products. 99% of claimed doctors on YouTube are fake.
An apology if my English is not very clear. Speak Spanish. I already left a link on a pague Where you could see the mucoid plaque. The friend calls him a candida, but I do not think it is this, after having seen several cases, but I blocked it from medhelp . Here I leave another link of the same medhelp, where Observer_patm did this endoscopic capsule study. http://www.medhelp.org/posts/People-Allergic-to-Me-PATM/PATM-SOLVED-CAPSULE-ENDOSCOPY-----meowkity1-IS-RYT/show/2840979
I would like you to see my previous publications, so that you could do something of what I have done. After this, when you go to the bathroom you will see this out of your intestines. The problem is that they are almost 8 meters of intestine. So I would like us to focus on one point to end this.
w w w.curezone.o r g/forums/fm.asp?i=1887319#i.      Here is the link that previously deleted me. Just join the w and the word o r g
@Patm13
Thank you for your post and I’m happy to read them, but the fact still stands, “mucoid plaque” doesn’t exist in the gut. It’s a fad idea created by naturopaths and chiropractic practitioners, whom have no formal education to understand why it’s impossible. Probably it was once believable 50 yrs. ago in the medical world during its infancy but the world has moved on. Many quacks make this unimaginable claim because it’s easier to sell products to clean out their nonexistent plaque.

The fact is what you’re seeing is just poop, regardless how it looks like, it’s just poop. The small intestine doesn’t contain mucous poop stuck to its lining like an old kitchen sink pipe. It doesn’t work that way. Everything that goes into the gut must either get broken down and absorbed or pooped out. Nothing can stay there as many fake YouTube doctors would claim. The gut lining is the site of action so nothing can get stuck to it without killing us. The intestine has evolved to avoid your claim throughout millions of years of evolution. All the enzymes are secreted from gut lining epithelial cells (gut wall), and villi and microvilli are like brooms with a constant stroke, always keeping things moving, these gut process cannot be obstructed without our body screaming. If anything gets stuck, you’d be dead very quickly because it would only imply that no enzymes or other intestinal secretions, no villi movement, no digested food getting across to the blood stream because your “mucoid plaque” is in the way. I’m sorry but what you’re explaining has no basis in science at all. The people who continue distribute these ideas on the internet either have no conceptualization of what they’re talking about or do it intentionally for personal gains. Please don’t listen to them. They just read Wikipedia faster.

I know you probably don’t have a background in science especially biology or chemistry so it’s sometimes hard to meet eye to eye on basic scientific facts, I can understand that but don’t worry we are in good hands. That’s why google scholar is there for as we don’t know everything so we need references all the time. It’s contains real findings of all the academic world and more. They are there for our disposal to look up anything that we don’t understand. Just be careful because google school is not a real university academic journal database so doesn’t filter out books, web pages and some fake published items. 99% of the time it’s correct. Normally fake papers are single and have opposing views to everything else. Most of us whom are familiar with academic papers, they have a specific format and criteria on how it’s written so fake papers often stick out as a sore thumb.

Everyone here that has done an Endoscopy came out just fine. If you we give your claim the benefit of the doubt, you’d still have difficulties reconciling that above endoscopy results with your claim.

There’s also this dilemma, how come everyone isn’t feeling sick? Anything that obstructs digesting will cause severe sickness and ultimately death.

Let me know what you think.
It's not mucus it's a parasites.I saw it in my stool-worms and the other one it's like mucus with tentacles.But it's a parasite actually-coronavirus-cat's parasites.They have been in me for years, I have not touched a cat for the last 7 years.
@mindspace
Then anti-parasites should work shouldn’t it? The strongest anti-wormer on the market is Albendazole. I took them and I’ve never seen PATM at its worst. Others have taken the less effective drugs used on animals with no effects either. Many sufferers here have taken full thorough health tests in the past…. their endoscopy and stool test have not shown any parasitic infection or eggs whatsoever. I think we’ve covered this again and again over the years to understand there’s nothing of that sort.
But i saw it in my stool.I don't say parasites are the reason for PATM reactions.But I know that I have parasites and maybe so many people obviously those who have cats or dogs.For me the likely reason for PATM is candida,mycotoxins,black mold.All I know is that the reason for cancer is candida,mycotoxins and parasites.And candida diet helps for so many diseases.
@mindspace
Take it to a doctor and show them.
Sorry my choice is to cure myself with healthy food,herbs,supplements,holistic/naturopathic medicine.And now I'm getting great benefits of that.
Hopeful1234,Grateful2011 have healed in this way.
@mindspace
I’m happy for you @mindspace. Keep doing what’s good to keep this problem away. As for gratefull2011, she has admitted numerous times that she’s not cured but have provided many good advices for this forum. She has only managed to suppress it. Most of us are on similar diet as her. I suppress it most of the time when I’m at work but once I eat something bad the condition returns. It’s really the same for us all. We are doing the same thing TMAU2 people are doing. No has beaten this disease. Hopefully in the future we can find something to help us all. The recent findings from MeBO is probably the biggest break that we’ve gotten. For the first time I understand why some things work and some don’t.
But I forgot something-Rife's lamp with soundwaves-that is the cure for PATM.I'll be on this treatment very soon.
@mindspace
Ok, just be careful dude. Tell us what happens and good luck.
Happy Healthy Saturday all !

@mindspace keep up the great proactive work of choosing a majority of plant based food choices each day !
You are better for it !

@ dontgiveuphope
thank you for your kind words of my contributions to this forum and your continued dedication to better health.

for me each day should include ground flax seeds in my smoothies.

also in my salads each day , at least half of a  red/purple onion

also I now take Chlorophyll capsules 2 in the morning, 2 at night

I too believed ,  especially prominent to me within the last year - that I had parasites.  Being consistent with the above things - I no longer believe or feel in my body , that I have parasites.


I now use Medjool or Deglet Noor Dates for sweetness for my smoothies and less Stevia.

I still do NOT use dairy, fried foods, gluten, or meat - I do still eat shrimp

I drink plenty of water with lemon or water with Braggs Apple Cider Vinegar
each day

I also still do oil pulling each morning before breakfast- with virgin coconut oil.

probably not related to patm - I am now making sure at least there is a 12 hour difference between dinner and "breakfast " the next day

God Bless you all and never, ever give up - you rock !
@grateful2011
Thanks for the compliment grateful2011. I’m happy to see you are still around giving good advices to the forum. Hopefully we can keep on progressing and getting better. We should never give up.
You were the one who came up with the mostly vegetarian diet years ago and it helped us all.

But now things are starting to make sense after MeBO report. Our gut flora distribution depends a lot on what we eat. It turns out most of the good gut bacteria thrive on greens. Other bacteria that feeds mostly on meat, lipids, smaller carbohydrates like sugar are usually the bad ones. When we eat mostly greens we are slowly tipping the balance in favor of good bacteria. Bad bacteria tend to starve and decrease in numbers ultimately diminishing PATM. Whatever microbes are producing these toxins that cause leaky gut and possibly allow all gut toxins into the bloodstream, is sugar, dairy and fatty loving.

While we continue to look for the cure, eating greens is one of the best thing we can do. Thanks for that info @grateful2011.
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When i started with patm, at the same time with fordyce spots. These Are similary to keratosis pilares. Who else ??
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This is very easy. We have a ''Mucoid Plaque''  or ''Biofilm'' . The problem here, How break this ?? The problem is in the small intestine.  THE TOXINS CREATED ON THE Mucoid Plaque  and broke the walls of the intestine. As several colleagues said, the intestine is damaged
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I do have a mild form, but I've had it for at least 15 years if I remember correctly. It could be a precursor/warning sign.
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Mine is fairly mild as well. Noticed at the onset of puberty, which is also when my PATM started. That was around 6 years ago.
Yes, it is interesting when looking at the distribution analysis, 6-7 years ago when our data was completed. I’ve attacked the link to the distribution analysis below. Most of us are 28 yrs. of age with 9 Std. Majority contracted PATM at the age of 24 yrs. old with 8.5 Std. Most of us have had it for 5 years.

If you look at the year’s most of us contracted PATM, the average is 24 years of age with a lower confidence interval of 22 yrs. of age and upper confidence interval of 25 yrs. of age. Many were suspicious that it may have something to do with puberty (age 10-17 yrs. old) but the LCI (22 yrs) is significantly out from the onset of puberty age. This is not decisive but it’s suggesting it’s not genetic related.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9yf0l9MtOfmWTdGQVFWNHg5QlE

So we can rule out the “puberty onset hypothesis” but the real question is why average 23 yrs. of age? Here’s one hypothesis I came up with. At 18 or 21 yrs. of age is when most of us are free from the grip of our parents. This is when we start moving out on our own and eating, drinking, doping or whatever that may have easily caused this microbiota imbalance. It takes about 2-4 years of abuse before the problem starts showing. Just an idea so don’t get too existed.
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