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[ray2502]

I'm on my 2nd day on this medication and I have never experienced the headaches and the die-off that I'm going thru right now.
I am not taking any other supplements and I have not had any reactions from anybody. I pray to God that this will heal me.
Will provide you with more updates as time progresses.

[ray2502]

My friends, we have systemic fungal infection which has spread all over our bodies. If we don't take care of repairing our leaky guts, we will re-infect ourselves. We have to stick to a strict diet as other members have suggested.

One excellent source for repairing leaky gut is bone broth. You can make it or you can buy it already made. I suggest making it fresh. Google bone broth and you will get many videos on how to make it.

I'm on my 10th day of my treatment I'm still  suffering splitting headaches. The following are symptoms that are normal when taking this medication.

Symptoms of Yeast Die-Off:

Fatigue
Nausea
Headaches
Muscle pain
Chills
Sweating
Swollen glands
Constipation or diarrhea
Faster than normal heartbeat
Acne or other skin breakouts such as whiteheads
Gas and/or bloating
Dizziness
Itchy skin with or without a rash
Sneezing
Fever
Cravings for sugary and yeast-based foods

Yesterday, I thought I was going to pass out because of the die-offs.

Just want to let you know that I'm going thru this treatment cause I pretty much tried everything. Nothing has worked for me but this. Even though I feel like my head is going to blow up, I'm PATM free. Having said that, if I don't stick to a strict diet and repair my leaky gut then it's obvious PATM will come back.

If your going to take this treatment, you have to repair your leaky gut or you will be sorely disappointed.

We have to attack PATM at its root cause which is candida Albicans. This treatment does just that, just keep in mind that there is 19 known different types of fungus Albicans known to infect the human body. Depending on which you have, this treatment might not work for you.


The 5 Stages of Candida Overgrowth



Candida is a fungus that is found in small amounts in healthy intestines. It is also a form of yeast. Certain medications, including antibiotics, and foods can cause this yeast to grow too abundantly. This can cause painful cramping, thrush, yeast infections, and a long list of other symptoms.

Candida grows in stages but can remain hidden through some of these stages.

The five stages of candida overgrowth.
How to get rid of candida.
Recognizing when the yeast is dying off.
Anti-fungal supplements to try.
A diet to control candida growth.
Five Stages of Candida Over-Growth

When candida yeast is growing too abundantly, stage one includes painful PMS.

Stage One

Affects the mucous membranes of the body, including the mouth, nose, vagina, and respiratory system. Symptoms include:

Infant colic, childhood and adult unexplained anger/rages
Vaginal yeast infections
Severe PMS
Urinary tract infections
Body rashes
Difficulty falling or staying asleep
Eczema
Acne
Oral thrush
Allergies to foods, chemicals, dust, fungus, yeast, and/or molds
Recurrent bouts of bronchitis, sinusitis, tonsillitis, strep, or staph infections
Gas (infant or adult)
Bad breath and body odor
Bladder weakness
Sun spots or liver spots
Cravings for sugar and/or alcohol
Belching
Heartburn

During stage two of candida over-growth, ear infections and tinnitus are common symptoms.
During stage two of candida over-growth, ear infections and tinnitus are common symptoms.
Stage Two

Involves more generalized and chronic reactions. Symptoms of stage two include those of stage one, as well as:

Unexplained weight gain or inability to keep weight on
Ear infections or tinnitus (ringing in the ears)
Chronic muscle and joint pain and arthritis
Headaches (including migraine)
Fatigue
Fibromyalgia
Infant or adult reflux
Endometriosis
Dizziness/vertigo
Bladder infection/UTI’s

Stage Three

At this stage, an individual's behavior and mental health will be affected. All symptoms that belonged to stages one and two are also present during stage three, as well as:

Inability to concentrate
Serious forgetfulness
Memory loss
Mental confusion
Not being able to think of words
Switching around words and letters when trying to speak and/or write
Loss of previous skills (such as how to type or play piano)
Irrational thoughts, unusual fears, phobias, and panic/anxiety attacks
Muscle twitching
Violence, depression, and aggression
Epileptic seizures
Infertility
Irritable Bowel Syndrome
Diabetes
Hypoglycemia
Thyroid disorders


Stage Four

Also known as "systemic yeast," this stage can result in the shut-down of some organs and systems, including these symptoms:

Adrenal gland failure
Endocrine system failure
Severe constipation
Total muscle weakness
Hives
Stage Five

Sadly, at this stage the entire body, down to every cell, is effected. At this stage the organs shut down and the individual may die.

[patmhalp]

Interesting thank you for sharing that bone broth has helped you!  Going to pickup some beef and chicken bone broth powder and give this a go.  This seems somewhat related to desiccated liver.  I don't get why if we have an infection that doctors don't spot this?  I've been to 3 different doctors told them I think I have an infection that makes people allergic to me and they brush it off like it's some delusion.

[da16424]

Is it some type of probiotic or what? Sometimes I wish people on this board would stop being so vague and ambiguous in their posts.

[patm2016]

what is the medication you are taking?

[val8182]

Hi, Ray. When you receive lufenuron coughing around you stopped? I am from Russia and ordered the drug. Really I want to try, as the other tools do not work. From diet only grow thin and RATM increases. Thank you for sharing.

[ray2502]

Hello val8182,

I have no PATM reactions after using Lufenuron but just want to let you know that it will be fruitless for you to take it if you do not get rid of leaky gut.
Like past members that cured themselves, I will probably not come back to this site or comment on it unless members have specific questions for me. Thanks to all of you for your continued support and dedication to finding a cure.

Merry Christmas and a healthy new year.

Ray

[nadoel]

Hey i just wanted to ask you this. Are u really 100% free till now?

[Lostmyhope]

I have the electric shock too but it comes and goes and when it comes I get upset.

[ray2502]

PATM Members,

I'm on my last 2 weeks of my treatment and I'm still 100% PATM free. I think this might finally get rid of PATM for good. Still have my fingers crossed.

The true test will come when in a few months when I'm not taking this treatment anymore.

[hopeful12345]

Glad you have shared your story ray2502, but have to admit I'm skeptical.  Lufenuron is a flea control product.  How does it address the problem of PATM?  Can you explain it from a scientific/medical standpoint?  It's kind of risky to recommend that people take something without providing some kind of explanation of how exactly it works.

[throwaya]

Hey Hopeful,

I would recommend you read "Morgellons: The legitimization of a disease: A Factual Guide by the World's Leading Clinical Expert". After reading this i noticed staggering connections between PATM and morgellons. The book repeatedly talks about tick bites and flea bites. I'm just saying this definitely a feasible solution and what Ray is suggesting is not out in left field. We as a community are not at the point where we can rigidly define PATM. We need to be open to new approaches if we are going to solve this hell disease. Ray was relectant to share his approach for his treatment for this exact reason. Let everyone interpret this information as they will.


Thanks,

Joel

[soiledsystem]

Good point Joel...Ray may have more of the M-type (Morg) of PATM, and the Lufenuron may attack it at the source...there appears to be several types of PATM, E-type (Electrical) and M-type for example

[hopeful12345]

Hey JoelAnon,

I appreciate your thoughts.  However, I wasn't trying to attack Ray.  I was just trying to point out how, in a previous post (the one he wrote on December 9th), he accused other people of not providing a scientific/medical explanation for the treatments they suggested -- yet he hasn't yet provided an explanation for the Lufenuron.  It may very well be useful, but it is a bit disingenuous to do the same thing that you are complaining about among other people.

It's fine to recommend a product.  But if he is going to say he is 100% PATM free and can "continue on with your life", I think it would be nice if he could say exactly why he thinks it works, instead of just expecting people to trust his instincts.  You provided an explanation, but I would like to hear it directly from him.

[ray2502]

I spent a whole hour writing down why I took Lufenuron and my laptop computer battery died. I was not able to post the info.

[ray2502]

We can all agree that most of us suffer from leaky gut and that it is caused by antibiotics which results in candida overgrowth. This candida overgrowth or bad bacteria is opportunistic and crosses the blood barrier, once it does that it morphes into candida albicans and spreads all over the body via blood vessels.

Once candida gets into the blood, it develops a hard outer shell called an exoskeleton. White blood cells are powerless to try to rid of this invader because they cannot penetrate thedida armored chitin layer. (Sort of like what fleas/cockroaches/ticks have) This is why we cannot get rid of this because this fungus goes into remission when we start a strict diet and the minute we have a slip up or we go back to our regular diets, it comes back from hybernation and PATM flourishes again.

Candida Albicans can live in your body until you die. It can cause all sorts of systemic issues. Doctors give medicine for this and they give you medicine for that but you still feel like your not well. Candida Albicans is known to cause brain fog, skin rashes, heart problems liver problems, fatigue and the list goes on. etc. etc. including PATM.

This is where Lufenuron comes to the rescue and destroys this outer shell and allows the white blood cells to kill the fungus because it no longer has this hard armored shell to protect it.

You immediately start having massive die-offs because of the white blood cells doing what they are supposed to do and attack the invaders.
The erradication of the fungus releases 79 different toxins when they die, including ethanol and acetaldehyde.

Human grade Lufenuron cannot be purchased in the USA but there is companies in Europe that sale high quality human grade Lufenuron. Please do not go to a veterinarian to try to buy this stuff cause they will laugh at your face. Be careful not to buy the cheap brand stuff cause if could be contaminated with heavy metals or plastics.

An exoskeleton (from Greek έξω, éxō "outer" and σκελετός, skeletos "skeleton") is the external skeleton that supports and protects an animal's body, in contrast to the internal skeleton (endoskeleton) of, for example, a human. In usage, some of the larger kinds of exoskeletons are known as "shells".

Keep a strict diet and drink plenty of water if you decide to do this or PATM will come back.



One last note--Human grade Lufenuron is an inert chemical in the human body because we do not have exsoskeletons. It does not affect the organs in any way. The only thing that I noticed was the massive headaches and strange white specks in my stools.


Repair your leaky gut or you will develop PATM again. Keep a healthy diet.

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[ray2502]

Candida overgrowth in the intestines is like a cork screw that attaches to the linen of the intestines which also create holes and escape into the blood stream, most end up in the liver because of obvious reasons.

[ray2502]

Please google all of this and don't take my word for it. You tube has many testimonials where people have used Lufenuron and what they experienced.

I'm thinking that PATM suffers are exhaling or releasing fungus spores thru their lungs and or toxic chemicals because the fungus also has to get rid of waist.

[hopeful12345]

Hi Ray, I appreciate the explanation.   I did some online searching about Lufenuron, and I am skeptical about its benefits based on what I saw.  One site said:

"Researchers from the University of California, San Francisco, decided to look at whether or not lufenuron had any anti-fungal effects. They found, “No evidence of inhibition, either by susceptibility testing or direct microscopic examination of treated cells, was obtained with lufenuron”. In contrast, they showed that a known chitin synthesis inhibitor, Nikkomycin Z, had a potent inhibitory effect against chitin in fungal cell wall membranes. Their conclusion –  “lufenuron does not appear to possess anti-fungal properties”.

The site also said that lufenuron has a number of possible negative side effects.  For example:  "The studies above demonstrate that lufenuron can cause intestinal cell line damage and leaky gut. One benefit of the intestinal cells is that they regenerate quickly, thus demonstrating their ability to heal and restore the intestinal barrier. Lufenuron has the ability to block this regeneration. It’s role in serine protease inhibition could lead to chronic inflammatory conditions, food allergies, autoimmune diseases, etc."

So I have concerns not just about the effectiveness of Lufenuron, but also its safety.  Think I'll be avoiding it, but again, I appreciate your discussion.

[mindspace]

Hi hopeful12345.What brown rise protein powder flavour you use?Is it good that it has a flavour?At the moment I have pain in the waist could this be due to intestinal problems-leaky gut,IBS,etc?

[hopeful12345]

Hi mindspace, I use the vanilla flavor, but I don't think it really matters, because they all have the same amino acids.  I don't know what the pain in your waist is due to -- it could be from anything.

[ray2502]

Members talk about taking this taking that but they don't really explain in detail the science and the health benefits behind it all. Here are some tips that members have suggested in the past but did not really explain why!


Here are some simple ways you can start detoxing your body by making simple additions your diet.


Take An Epsom Salt Bath

The skin is our biggest organ and it is responsible for a hefty portion of toxin elimination.

Epsom salt baths are great for pulling toxins out of the body through reverse osmosis, leaving your skin silky smooth. The salts also provide the body with a nice big dose of magnesium which helps relax the nervous system and soothe back pain and achy muscles.

Make sure to use pure epsom salts, also known as magnesium sulphate. None of this artificially scented stuff. Rule of thumb, if you can’t eat it, don’t put it on your skin. Same goes for moisturizers and creams, if you wouldn’t put it in your mouth, don’t put it on your body. A great alternative for moisturizer is coconut oil.

If you want to add a nice scent to your bath, use a few drops of essential oils. Citrus oils are especially great for detoxing the liver.

Use about a cup and a half of epson salts in your bath and stay in the tub for about 40 minutes. Twenty minutes for the toxin flush and twenty minutes for the mineral absorption.



Massage Yourself

The lymphatic system helps the body remove toxins and wastes. Many times this drainage system can get backed up because it doesn’t have a pump system and needs some manual help.

Professional lymph drain massage is pretty pricey but you can save your money and do it to yourself. This type of massage is very simple and gentle. You use your fingertips and apply the same amount of pressure as you would to move a quarter across a desk.

You slowly press and stroke the lymph node areas of your body: the throat, the neck, the arms, underarms, chest, and upper thighs. Always going towards the heart.

You can do this while watching a movie or while you lie in bed waiting to fall asleep. Just 3 minutes a day can make a huge difference.

Click here for a quick video on how to do a basic lymph massage on yourself.

Also massage in general is a great way to manually influence nutrient and waste exchange in your cells. Exchange weekly 10 minute head, back, neck, or foot massages with your partner, family members or friends. You don’t need a fancy spa to get the great benefits of a massage.

And the last one for today is probably the most simple detox methods of all time.



Breathe

Breathing is a major way of releasing toxins. About 70% of your body’s waste product is eliminated through the lungs.

Try this out for size. Every time you go to check your phone for the time, or an email, or to use one of your fancy apps on your iphone, take a long deep inhale through the nose and long deep exhale out the nose. About 4-8 seconds in and 4-8 seconds out, using 100% capacity of your lungs.

Most of us are only using 10-20% of our lung capacity in our day to day activities. By using more of your lung capacity you take in more oxygen which allows you to deliver more nutrients throughout your body and release more toxins. And as an added bonus this deep breathing technique drastically lowers stress hormone levels.

Become conscious of your breathe and try to incorporate this type of breathing when ever you can: in bed first thing in the morning and last thing at night, during commercial breaks while watching TV, at your desk at work, or waiting for the bus.

You can literally breathe anywhere. No excuses.

[soiledsystem]

Lufenuron does not work for electrical type of PATM...I bought some from a supplier in Europe a couple of years ago and it did nothing for my set of symptoms

[isuffertoo]

Has anyone taken the oral diamatacious earth 1x day??

[Betterdays7]

Diamatacious earth is excellent for candida overgrowth. I've been taking it for a while but stopped. I remember it would give me severe die off effects but would feel great after. I just bought empty vegetarian capsules that I fill up with DE. The idea is it will go straight to my gut hopefully killing off the candida there.

[isuffertoo]

Food Grade only folks and only 1 spoon day.

[isuffertoo]

Then instead of taking that dangerous toxic flea med take a spoonful of diamatascious earth -- oral only not outdoor one

Same but safer it's an exoskeleton killer

[ray2502]

Already did that for a full year no benefits for me. Anyway, I'm PATM free. I can continue with my life.

God bless you all.

[ray2502]

Please don't criticize me for doing this but as you know everybody that has suffered from this horrible disease, called PATM, is very desperate and desperate measures require desperate acts. Research it yourself to see if it's something you want to try yourself.

I'm going to give you some info first before you even think about trying it or maybe some of you have already tried it.

1. It has not been approved by the FDA for human consumption even though people use it all the time around the world.
2. Doctors have gone out of their way to say it's extremely dangerous. That's why I'm trying it first. (Maybe it's biting into their profit)
3. I know that it is an inert chemical when humans consume it and it has no affect to the vital organs.
4. It's only supposed to be used on mammals which we are a part of.
5. If you do decide to use it, buy the type that is meant for human consumption and not the animal grade. (Very dangerous)
6. Don't buy cheap brands that could have heavy metals or be contaminated with by-products.
7. Drink plenty of water when taking it to lessen the die-offs.
8. You have to take with some type of fat, whether it's beef or chicken etc.. It gets absorbed into the fat cells of our body and gets slowly released for up to six weeks.
9. I bought mine from a certain supplier in Thailand but they were not the cheapest but had good feed back from previous customers.
10. It is not a guarantee that you will be cured from PATM because it could come back and re-infect you if you don't take care of yourself.
11. Look at testimonials of people on YouTube that have taken it and you be the judge. (None of them mentioned PATM)
12. I personally think it's much to soon to come to conclusions because I have only taking it for 20 days but members are insisting that I give out the name.


It's called Lufenuron and it's made by a huge pharmaceutical company in Sweden or Switzerland. They had a patient on the drug for many years until just recently it ran out.

PLEASE DO YOUR RESEARCH and YouTube it. You will find many informative videos on YouTube.

Good luck and God Bless you all.

[grateful2011]

For me , it's - no thank you  !

Lufenuron - not for me !

I will continue with my bone broth protein powder , plant based food choices, other supplements, lemon water, sauna and exercise etc, etc


God Bless always !

[ray2502]

You know grateful, its got me thinking that maybe antibiotics have done irreparable damage to the liver since that is where blood gets filtered.

Also, this organ makes more than 400 different functions in the body.

[ray2502]

Hello Grateful,

I'm convinced that if I don't heal my leaky gut, I will re-infect my body with fungus Albicans.

I don't suffer from explosive headaches anymore, just a mild headache here and there. I'm still 20 days from finishing my treatment. I have also been doing the GAPS diet.

We will see if PATM stays away.

One good way to find out if you have candida overgrowth is to get a 6 oz glass of clear water first thing in the morning. Work up a spit before eating or brushing your teeth. Spit in the cup and observe  the spit for 15 minutes. If it is murky or cloudy and it starts to sink to the bottom of the glass, then you have candida overgrowth. The spit will also kind of string out to the bottom of the glass.

If the spit is clear and it floats at the top then I would be pretty confident that candida overgrowth doesn't exist.

This is just a quick inexpensive way of finding out what your condition concerning candida overgrowth. Also, a white tongue first thing in the morning would also indicate that you candida overgrowth.

Try it, it will not cost you anything but a few minutes of your time.

[grateful2011]

Yes, I did that candida overgrowth experiment/ years ago and it was positive for candida . I also during that time had the white coating on my tongue .


I have not had a white tongue in years.


What is the name of your treatment that requires 45 days ? Where did you find out about this treatment ?


God's continued best to you always !

[grateful2011]

RAY2502

update us please on how you are doing with the bone broth

I bought protein bone broth powder , so far so good for me

God Bless all !

[mine5906]

Yes, could you tell us the medication you are using Ray? I understand you talk about bone broth just as a good repairing for leaky gut

[ray2502]

My friends, I know that all we all want is to have is our lives back, enjoying being with the people we love but we have to be patient.

I'm on my 12th day of my 45 day treatment and still PATM free. My headaches have subsided and I have noticed that my bowels have these white specks. I have also noticed them being cloudy white. (Sorry from being so graphic)

Several months back I was diagnosed with having very low stomach acid. Doctor said to chew my food 20 times before swallowing to eliminate low stomach acid. There is some over the counter meds that I can take but instead I rather do it naturally and chew my food. What does low stomach acid have to do with PATM? Well, the mouth is where it all begins. If we don't have enough hydrochloric acid then we cannot break food down properly and low stomach acid does not kill bacteria or microbes that are present in food.

It's partially our fault that we are in the predicament that we are in because of our harmful decisions and bad habits. If we don't change, we will continue suffering for many more years to come.

Have a blessed Thanksgiving and I will report back in a couple of days.

God bless.

[Lostmyhope]

So confusing ray what's the medication your using.

[throwaya]

Hey Ray,
Great analysis. Regarding the white specks you have been seeing in your stool, I think this is a major key. My PATM journey began in 2015, after taking a round of antibiotics. Rewind about two years before this point and this is where it gets interesting.

To paint the picture, it’s 2013 (2 years before PATM), and I was a completely healthy teenager, played sports daily and had no health issues whatsoever. All this changed one day when I noticed that my stomach was practically upset, and I had a bowel movement. This bowel movement was completely white almost like it had a mucus/bacteria coating overtop. I immediately realized that this wasn’t normal and approached my doctor. He wasn’t concerned, but he ordered an Ontario government stool test (poor quality) and it came back negative. I continued to live my life, as I no longer had this massive white coating on my stool, but I always had these white specs regardless of what I ate. These white specks appeared every single time I had a bowel movement but regardless of who I spoke to (MDs / Natural Path Doctors) they had no idea what it could be. I eventually got fed up with my health deteriorating, and my doctor suggested that I take a round of antibiotics. Hesitantly I went ahead with it, even though the doctors had no clue what they were trying to get rid of. As soon as I took the antibiotics I felt like my eye muscles were hyperextended and strained, as I had sharp pains every time I tried to move my eyes. It was like my eye muscles were rusty. This eventually passed once I finished the antibiotics, but it was a major issue for me while I was on it. Surprisingly, I felt like my stomach was better after I took the antibiotics, but when I went to class the next day and people started coughing around me and the nightmare that I still live in this day began. The key takeaway from my experience is that I had this fungus/bacteria/undefined substance in my system before I had PATM. During this period the only tangible evidence I had was these white specs.

Over the past month, I have been researching leaky gut, as I also feel this is the key to fixing PATM. Now that I am taking bone broth and a bunch of other supplements I have seen these white specs appear again. I personally feel like these white specs are eggs and these bugs/whatever migrated throughout my body until they conquered it. My take is that the leaky gut eased the migration for these bugs, and in turn, PATM happened. If antibiotics caused leaky gut for me, this makes sense because I never had PATM prior to the antibiotic treatment, but I did as soon as I completed the course. If anyone else has seen white specks can you please comment with your experience, because I truly feel that this angle could be fruitful to pinpointing what this horrid bug/bacteria is.
All the best,
Joel

[ray2502]

Hello Joel,

I believe that my PATM also started with  antibiotic use as a young boy and it just got progressively worse the older I got  because I kept using antibiotics for other things.

I believe like you said and other members have said that antibiotics do cause leaky gut. I have not used antibiotics for more than a year now and probably will never use them again unless it's a life or death situation.

I think your on the right track.
Thanks for your feedback.

[mindspace]

Yes I think that antibiotics are the reason for PAM symptoms.Many of us had leaky gut,IBS or other similar problems.Yes we shouldn't take antibiotics anymore.We have to repopulate our guts with good bacteria in significant amount-probiotics with 25 billion bacteria minimum a day.Also I think that probiotic sacharomyces boulardii helps a bit.But what I think is that we should do colon cleanse with Oxy Powder minimum 2 times.It's not that easy but most of the people which are now PATM free do the colon cleanse.

[soiledsystem]

I hope the bone broth idea helps people.  I tried it and it did not help (I have the "electrical" type of PATM, I don't think Ray has that type, not sure)...but even it it doesn't help the PATM, it is a good source of nutrients...

I thought Ray was going to tell us about a pharmaceutical he was getting from India (see his thread a few days before this one)...While the diet, etc. is helpful, it does not eradicate the source of the problem, and in my case, diet alone will not diminish the PATM effect as dramatically as it has for others, in fact, it I would say it only helped me maybe 10% versus 90% or so that others have experienced.  I was on the SIBO diet called Specific Carb Diet for about two years, SCD diet is very strict, anti-yeast/carb diet, and I lost so much weight I was a walking skeleton.  I decided that if I was going to offend people I might as well not look like the walking dead.  I watch my diet now (no white sugar, limited carbs, clear booze) and attack this thing from a different angle---try to get rid of it, not just placate it.

The drug I thought maybe Ray was referring to is Amphotericin-B.  I have tried all the other anti-fungals that can be prescribed in the U.S., prescribed from an M.D. because I have high fungal counts for 4 types of molds:  two types of aspergillus, penicilium, and cladosporium.  Nothing helped.  In my case I can vouch that all of the regular prescription anti-fungals:  ketoconzaole, fluconazole, itraconazole, etc. (plus all all the over-the-counter ones) did not work.  The -azole class of antifungals was ineffective in my case.

Amphotericin-B is an antifungal that is not in the -azole class.  I obtained it from overseas, as it is impossible to get in the U.S. due to that it has to be injected to work systematically.  I am not willing to inject it, but it can work topically as well (like Nystatin does...nystatin too weak to do anything though).  

It has not eliminated the problem, even though I feel it w
"working" when I apply it, as I believe that I am re-infecting myself with something in my environment at home, specifically the kitchen.  I have had professionals look at the problem (air samples in kitchen), they found an elevated cladosporium count but said that is normal, since there is a lot of clado outside normally that comes in through the kitchen door and windows.  Of course, I have tried to control the problem with throwing out everything, running air purifiers, etc.  

Anyway, I believe this not just fungal but a combo of fungal and bacterial.  If it were just fungal, more people would have PATM.  

Topical ampho (especially on scalp...it even reaches the sinuses that way) may be of benefit to others, especially those with the electrical type of PATM, but of course I am not recommending that anybody try it, you have to make that decision for yourself.  

[Betterdays7]

Ray that's outstanding!!!

I've heard of bone broth helping cure leaky gut but never went out of my way to try it. Iv done research on this and all the info I have found is all positive. Dr. axe a famous doctor of natural medicine sais he has done many cleanses in his life but nothing compares to the bone broth cleanse. In my 10+ years of living with PATM I have no doubt in my mind that this problem is gut related. Imbalance of gut flora and leaky gut. Can't wait to try this!

Did you use chicken or beef bone broth? Also where did you purchase the bones?

Anyways thanks for sharing this info with us I'm forever greatful. Hopefully people start reporting their results. Happy thanks giving everyone and take care.

[aquafina331]

Ray,what medication?

[grateful2011]

RAY2502 Excellent!!!

thank you, thank you for letting us know about bone broth

i will go to Whole Foods and get some

like  patmhalp - I also take the desiccated liver capsules daily


Thank you soooo much for stressing the need to be on a strict food diet in order to repair our leaky gut or else the Patm will return - as I found out in the past as well


Happy Thanksgiving everyone and enjoy the blessing that  Ray2502 has shared with us !

[Betterdays7]

Hey Ray I'm glad for your new discovery. I'm doing pretty well myslef but still haven't managed to cure this completely. I really hope you share your discovery with us because in doing so we can have more people try what your doing and determine if this is the cure. I'm sure everyone here will appreciate your hard work and dedication.

[Dj_Choppa]

That sounds like some serious stuff ur taking. Hope u get the results u are lookin for.  I got rid of 90% of my symptoms by changing my diet, and exercising like a madman.  

[FingersCrossed2016]

Thank you so much for posting this on the forum ray.  This is glimmer of hope we need to keep positive and it would be amazing for this to be another step closer to ending this curse.  Please share whatever details you are comfortable with.

[ray2502]

This is not some sort of magic pill that you can take and wala your cured.

It has taken me decades to get to this point. I have followed other members advice and even though I'm grateful, it did not help me to get rid of PATM.

I have thought I was cured in the past only to be discouraged when patm came back. I do not want to misinform or mislead anybody, that's why I'm being careful and not jump to conclusions.

[patmhalp]

Please just tell us what it is and let us experience it for ourselves.

[ray2502]

I'm on my 5th day of my treatment and I've had nothing but massive headaches due to die-offs. These are following changes that I have noticed in my body.

1. No PATM reactions.
2. My nose is not stuffy or congested.
3. I can eat dairy and sugar without getting bloated or have PATM reactions. (tried it a couple of times)
4. Don't have that nasty awful smell in my mouth after eating dairy.

I have not seen anything in my bowel movements but just to reiterate i  have never experienced this with any supplements that I have taking since I have been a PATM member on this sight.

Please have patience because I have to make sure that this will work.

I will keep you guys updated.


God bless....