Actually we already know what the PATM gas is and where it’s generated. That question has been answered. It’s just toxins. 90% of toxins in your body comes from gut fermentation of microbial (bacteria/fungi/viruses…) and enzymatic activity. The left over percentage comes from normal cell metabolism. There’s always a small amount of toxins in every metabolic process. The liver is the main cleaning organ of all toxins and in most cases it can handle it. Blood vessels from the gut run straight to the liver for this clean up process.
How we got this load accumulated in our blood stream without being cleaned is unknown. It’s either the liver doesn’t have the right enzymes to clean up these particular toxins or it’s just overloaded. So problem would likely be an overgrowth of certain pathogenic strains in the gut OR liver is screwed. Those two are mostly likely possibilities.
Apart from the liver, the body can remove it through sweat, breathe, urine. This is why some observe exercising, sauna and Epson hot bath helps.
When these toxins get airborne it can activate other people’s innate immunity (lining of sinus, lungs, throat) and cause inflammation when breathed in. As we’ve all observed they appear to be highly potent as other people can react from far away on very very low concentration of these airborne compounds. Collecting sweat samples is actually high in patm toxins and if you were a smart chemist you can actually run simple to advance chemical tests on these against sweat samples from another normal dude. For example, you determine if it’s highly acidic or base. If it’s the case an acidic or basic soap can help the elimination process. Simple things like that.
Many suggested that GCMS as a possible way of analyzing these toxins on sweat or breath sample. It won’t work straight forward as we expect because toxins can come from multiple microbial species and normal enzymatic activity in the gut, added to it are normal toxins from internal body cellular activity. I’m not saying it’s impossible to analyze but it would be very difficult as chromatogram would show up as a big mess of compounds. It would require a skilled chemist who knows exactly what to look for.
Thanks for your answer!
How do we really know its just toxins? and even then yeah as you said why? why cant we clean this bacteria and or toxins up? whats casuing this distress/inability?
The through walls etc things makes me not think its just toxins but maybe, but yeah i also think there is something wrong about bacteria atleast but also some kind of tension problem.
you say 90% of toxins in your body comes from gut fermentation of microbial and you are probably right
90% of the serotonin in the body is also made by microbial in the gut, so the antibiotica killing those would affect that too, the more you irritate the gut lining the more seratonin is produced, but i dont think this has to do anything with seratonin in the brain but i dont know this stuff well enough.
high carb/bread diet= higher seratonin too and also coffe i think highers it temporary and lowers it over time, and nthere is some other stuff related worsening my reactions and its a neurotransmitter afterall wich problaby could affect aloot of stuff mentally
just some thoughts, i hate this, i think to much
I hear you but then i cant stop thinking of why we have these microbes creating those toxins, why are we not getting rid of them while almost all people are, why where we vurnable, ive lived with different people they dont develop the same, there has to be something wrong pre and post microbes, ive getting rid of this 2 times and what i dont get is that then i was in a _total_ different mental status, maybe due to not being affected by toxins, but why did i develop it again slowly over time i need to know
Interesting thought but I actually think that it is the other way around. I think my symtoms go hand-in-hand with low serotonine levels.
My PATM always goes together with other awfull symptoms; depression, itchy/ irritated skin, tired and irritated bowel etc..
Lately I am taking HTP-5 and I can actually recommend this to everyone on this forum. This stuff helps you with creating serotonine and fully relaxes you.
When I take HTP-5, I am relaxed and have less problems with all my symptoms. Btw, HTP-5 is a natural anti-depressant.
Serotonine is also made in the gut (95%) by our good bacteria. We are low in good bacteria and are high in toxins which would mean that it is harder for our body to create serotonine. Additionaly, I wouldn't be surprised if more serotonine would help with more good bacteria.
Try it out if you can get your hands on these pills, they are natural and cheap.
I see we are probably different but im glad it works for you! ive tried higher my serotonin before and it was not good for me at all, the oppposite. Depression doesent necessary means low serotonin but the typical clinical one often is i think and thats probably a great supplement if thats the case. Elevated serotonin could cause that too its just another type, for example social phobia is very linked too high, agitation too, while anxiety and fatigue is to both and theres alot too that. Just imbalance is very bad in general, it affects the other transmitters also.
Eszema/rashes/itching also linked to high and people with ibs-d and ibd linked to high too, while ibs-c is linked too low and slow metabolism.
its a individual puzzle or try and succeed/error
if i had problem with pain and sadness for example i would try it
if you easy shivering and easy gets goosebumps and sweat much, then your most likely very high and then i would be careful