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December 22th was the ninth day of my cycle. Before I miscarried on 11/9 I had a very regular 27 day cycle, after m/c (natural) it took 36 days before AF dared to visit again.
Yesterday I felt that there was something going on, I had some light cramping, very low on the right and sometimes also around my belly button. My breast also hurt a little like they do in the first weeks of a pregnancy. Just after my m/c I started taking a vitamine pill that also contains vitex. Can it be that I'm ovulating early this cycle? All online calculators etc tell me to expect an egg on day 13/14 but I thing that's the average in a normal 28 day cycle?
Yesterday I felt that there was something going on, I had some light cramping, very low on the right and sometimes also around my belly button. My breast also hurt a little like they do in the first weeks of a pregnancy. Just after my m/c I started taking a vitamine pill that also contains vitex. Can it be that I'm ovulating early this cycle? All online calculators etc tell me to expect an egg on day 13/14 but I thing that's the average in a normal 28 day cycle?
That sounds great, Angie, I always thought American kids hate to walk! By the time you're about to talk about the Netherlands, send me a message and I can help you with the program. Maybe it's the same time you're holding you are baby!
Have a nice break BG. I did not test positive until 18 DPO, and had a lab at that time that showed Hcg of only 68. Most HPT's are only 44% accurate when the level is atleast 100. So if you wait until you get home, then that will be about the right timing.
I had another lab today and it's 12,800, and progesterone of 26.6. Progesterone is stubborn, but the Hcg is still climbing. I'm surprised, and of course very thrilled. My husbad is so steady and unflappable. He just says "OK," -- but he did crack a smile. We're going on 17 years.
LM mama --- wow, your just an ocean away! Actually you're only about 1/5 of the way around. I know this because I volunteer to run a program at the school to help kids get out and walk. Every Tuesday morning we meet at a spot 1.5 miles from the school, and we walk together. I have 10-20 kids each week. The kids named the club "Walk The World Club" We are counting our miles, and we want to get around the world -- 26,400 miles. We have gone 273.5 miles so far and our imaginations have us across the border in New Mexico. We will walk as far as Holland probably by next year. We will talk about your country when we get there!. The superintendent promised the kids a big party when they get to 26,400. Some of them will probably have to come back from college for the party!
I had another lab today and it's 12,800, and progesterone of 26.6. Progesterone is stubborn, but the Hcg is still climbing. I'm surprised, and of course very thrilled. My husbad is so steady and unflappable. He just says "OK," -- but he did crack a smile. We're going on 17 years.
LM mama --- wow, your just an ocean away! Actually you're only about 1/5 of the way around. I know this because I volunteer to run a program at the school to help kids get out and walk. Every Tuesday morning we meet at a spot 1.5 miles from the school, and we walk together. I have 10-20 kids each week. The kids named the club "Walk The World Club" We are counting our miles, and we want to get around the world -- 26,400 miles. We have gone 273.5 miles so far and our imaginations have us across the border in New Mexico. We will walk as far as Holland probably by next year. We will talk about your country when we get there!. The superintendent promised the kids a big party when they get to 26,400. Some of them will probably have to come back from college for the party!
LOL: from around the other side of the world -> if AZ stands for Arizona, im not on the other side of the world but only 5500 miles away:):)
When I first went to see my doctor I was told not to take any medicine, so no aspirin and no Ibuprofen. Even now, not pregnant, I do not take any pills etc just in case!
@BG-MN: 11 dpo might be a bit early to test, hope you get a nice surprise in the new year!!
When I first went to see my doctor I was told not to take any medicine, so no aspirin and no Ibuprofen. Even now, not pregnant, I do not take any pills etc just in case!
@BG-MN: 11 dpo might be a bit early to test, hope you get a nice surprise in the new year!!
Yes, I was also told no ibuprofen. I guess he considers aspirin different, or maybe it's just such a small dose. Or maybe he would give different advice now....
I did test yesterday and today and got a negative. But it's only 10/11 dpo and at least a week before I would expect to see my period, so it's not a definite no. I'm mixed up as to when to test since I ovulated so early. We are flying out of town for 5 days starting today, and have decided not to test while we're gone. Best wishes to everybody for a happy new year!
I did test yesterday and today and got a negative. But it's only 10/11 dpo and at least a week before I would expect to see my period, so it's not a definite no. I'm mixed up as to when to test since I ovulated so early. We are flying out of town for 5 days starting today, and have decided not to test while we're gone. Best wishes to everybody for a happy new year!
Its so great to talk with people with similar situations and concerns, and especially when someone is from around the other side of the world -- LM Mama!
Here in the US, a prescription Prenatal has 1000mcg of FolicAcid, and that's what I have been taking every evening. In the morning I take 2 gummy bear Children's Vitamins that have a total of 500 mcg of Folic Acid as well and some other water-soluable vits like B and C. So it looks like I was getting the right amount. (I take the gummy vits in the AM because they don't make me naseaus) So thanks for the advice on that one BG.
I'm afraid to take the aspirin because I read a study about how NSAIDS (same class medicine as aspirin) can be a possible cause of very early miscarriage because it interferes with implantation. It was a study done in Britian, and has yet to be duplicated in the US, but it is very new information. If you google ibuprofen and pregnancy, I think you will get a hit on it. It might prove to be unsupported in further research, but I am just too afraid. When I had my first miscarriage in July, I had been using motrin for a slight headache I had while we were camping in the mountains. I thought it was from the altitude, but in retrospect, it was probably from the pregnancy.
Thanks so much for all the information. How did the HPT go BG?
Ang
Here in the US, a prescription Prenatal has 1000mcg of FolicAcid, and that's what I have been taking every evening. In the morning I take 2 gummy bear Children's Vitamins that have a total of 500 mcg of Folic Acid as well and some other water-soluable vits like B and C. So it looks like I was getting the right amount. (I take the gummy vits in the AM because they don't make me naseaus) So thanks for the advice on that one BG.
I'm afraid to take the aspirin because I read a study about how NSAIDS (same class medicine as aspirin) can be a possible cause of very early miscarriage because it interferes with implantation. It was a study done in Britian, and has yet to be duplicated in the US, but it is very new information. If you google ibuprofen and pregnancy, I think you will get a hit on it. It might prove to be unsupported in further research, but I am just too afraid. When I had my first miscarriage in July, I had been using motrin for a slight headache I had while we were camping in the mountains. I thought it was from the altitude, but in retrospect, it was probably from the pregnancy.
Thanks so much for all the information. How did the HPT go BG?
Ang
@BG-MN: In the US, the vitamins usually have 800 mcg. of folic acid -> I checked mine, which are not prescribed by a doctor but just over the counter vitamins from our Dutch Duane Reade: there is 400 mcg folic acid, half the amount of the regular US pills! This is a special mix for TTC, I have also normal folic acid pills, 400 mcg. Maybe it's better to take those too?
Recently I read on a Dutch side that it is investigated that folic acid is related to multiple births too, especially to "older" women. Wouldn't that be sweet to have a set of twins?:):):)
@Cyndy: Congratulations with your pregnancy! Someone I know from a Dutch forum miscarried twins too in september and found out this morning she's pregnant again, also 39!
Recently I read on a Dutch side that it is investigated that folic acid is related to multiple births too, especially to "older" women. Wouldn't that be sweet to have a set of twins?:):):)
@Cyndy: Congratulations with your pregnancy! Someone I know from a Dutch forum miscarried twins too in september and found out this morning she's pregnant again, also 39!
Im sorry Lastminutemama, I saw 9/11 instead of 11/9. So it was just this last November right? I swear my first period after my miscarriage was day 8 or 9. But my cycle was only 19 days though.
Cyndy
Cyndy
After I typed that last post, I remembered that the extra folic acid is to help the embryo's neurological system to develop normally; I know the risk for "neural tube defects" (like spina bifida) is higher in older women, but I'm not sure it's related to age-related chromosome problems, as I first wrote. Anyway, to answer L.M.Mama's question: I see you are in the Netherlands, so I'm not sure if your prenatal vitamins are the same as those in the US. In the US, the vitamins usually have 800 mcg. of folic acid already in them. So my RE has me take a supplement that has an additional 800 mcg. of folic acid, to total 1600 mcg. As for the cramping, I really don't know, but I hope it's a good sign :) !
I miscarried too on Sep 11th. (twins). I ovulate on alot on day 10. Im almost 39. I think too that after miscarriages it just mixes everything up. We found out we are pregnant again this last week. Im excited but worried so much I will loose it again. Congrats! Ididn't know I should be taking extra folic acid. I need to hop on that!
The extra folic acid is due to the high risk of age-related chromosome problems ->is that on top of normal folium that we should take? I started taking extra vitamine B6 and B12 too since I read somewhere that it helps to produce good eggs.....Pffff....my bathroom looks like a farmacy with all those pills:)
Since my ovulation on the 24th I still feel a slight cramping on the right, same side as were I felt "the egg"....can this mean something?
Since my ovulation on the 24th I still feel a slight cramping on the right, same side as were I felt "the egg"....can this mean something?
In case it's helpful: with my first pregnancy (at 45 and 1/2, so not too much older than you), the RE also told me to take a total of 1600 mcg of folic acid per day (so 800 mcg beyond the standard prenatal vitamin), as well as 81 mg. of aspirin. The extra folic acid is due to the high risk of age-related chromosome problems, and the aspirin is to help improve blood flow to the fetus. (I know I told some other 40-something pregnant woman about the aspirin, and another poster was very upset, saying that no one should take aspirin without consulting a doctor, so I will just add that checking with your doctor is, of course, always a good idea.) The RE's nurse said he tells all older women to take those two things, in addition to the prenatal vitamin and progesterone.
Beyond that advice, REs really can't do much to make an early pregnancy succeed--they just make you come in for blood tests all the time--although mine did insist on a follow up ultrasound to the 6 week ultrasound. It was at the 9 and 1/2 week ultrasound that we discovered the heartbeat was gone, so however painful, it was good to find out. Had the second ultrasound been good, the RE was going to refer me to a perinatologist (i.e., a high-risk pregnancy specialist). I am also fit, with great blood pressure, and no real health problems, so the high risk was simply my age. We were not going to do the amnio, but I guess there are other blood/ultrasound tests that a perinatologist can run at 11-13 weeks to see if the fetus appears normal, so we wanted those tests run. I do hope your ob-gyn will refer you to a high-risk specialist if you want one; insurance should cover it as a pregnancy-related expense (as opposed to fertility tests).
Anyway, I agree with you that being too thin and too much exercise is not all that helpful when trying to conceive. I was also too thin when we got married last year, but started cooking a lot for my husband, and suddenly I too was 10 lbs. heavier, which seemed to help my fertility. I definitely think exercise in early pregnancy is not good (especially don't do anything high impact, like running or aerobics classes; I was told moderate walking is ok), and definitely don't lift anything more than 10 lbs. Happy New Year! I'm so excited for you!
Beyond that advice, REs really can't do much to make an early pregnancy succeed--they just make you come in for blood tests all the time--although mine did insist on a follow up ultrasound to the 6 week ultrasound. It was at the 9 and 1/2 week ultrasound that we discovered the heartbeat was gone, so however painful, it was good to find out. Had the second ultrasound been good, the RE was going to refer me to a perinatologist (i.e., a high-risk pregnancy specialist). I am also fit, with great blood pressure, and no real health problems, so the high risk was simply my age. We were not going to do the amnio, but I guess there are other blood/ultrasound tests that a perinatologist can run at 11-13 weeks to see if the fetus appears normal, so we wanted those tests run. I do hope your ob-gyn will refer you to a high-risk specialist if you want one; insurance should cover it as a pregnancy-related expense (as opposed to fertility tests).
Anyway, I agree with you that being too thin and too much exercise is not all that helpful when trying to conceive. I was also too thin when we got married last year, but started cooking a lot for my husband, and suddenly I too was 10 lbs. heavier, which seemed to help my fertility. I definitely think exercise in early pregnancy is not good (especially don't do anything high impact, like running or aerobics classes; I was told moderate walking is ok), and definitely don't lift anything more than 10 lbs. Happy New Year! I'm so excited for you!
I'm not seeing an RE, just an OB. So I'm not really gettng any special advice except 'take your prenatals." I am trying to take it easy, a little, and I'm trying to eat better, so my body is probably overjoyed. I usually run alot, and right now my husband and I are building a house. For the last year, we have been going at high speed, and I even managed to loose too much weight because I was often too tired to think about eating at the end of the day. My husband was on the evening shift, so I would just skip it in favor of sleep. For the last 2 months, I have slowed down, and made a goal of gaining 10 lbs (which was easy, surprise,surprise). I made a goal of not working more than 6-8 hours a day, and no more running. I'm guessing that really helped. I think your RE is onto something. I think that the progesterone is what helps the muscles, and uterus relax, so until it gets high enough, there is a possibility that the uterus is slightly irritable, and can cramp, expel, etc.-- it's usual function. I also read somewhere that being too thin can hurt your chances of maintainig a pregnancy, and that makes sense too. I'm just trying everything possible. I'll have to think about the sex thing -- but it does make sense. I have read that sex near the delivery time can induce labor.
Happy New Year
Happy New Year
To Lastminutemama: I hope you get a positive result when you test!
To Angie: I think those numbers look great! The 18 dpo hcg is really low, but then the hcg goes on to more than double every 48 hours, so probably the embryo just implanted a little late and is developing nicely. My understanding is that progesterone always goes up and down a bit within a given day and that anything over 20 is considered okay when it comes to progesterone.
BTW, I'm curious as to whether you've been told by your RE not to have intercourse? (That is one of my RE's pregnancy rules, along with no exercise, no lifting above 10 pounds, etc.; re. sex, my RE thinks both the motion and the male hormones can cause a miscarriage.) I am waiting to do a hpt here (realistically, I should wait another 5 days), and my husband is nervous about having sex just in case I'm pregnant. I don't think most REs have this rule, which is why I wondered what yours said. I really don't think we need to be that cautious, especially given that we don't even know if I'm pregnant.
You were very thoughtful to think of others in not posting your happy news more broadly, but I think the women on this website are all happy to hear that other women's pregnancies are going well. I think that's especially true of those of us who are older--we are all battling against the statistics, and any pregnancy at an older age is a victory to be celebrated by all of us!
To Angie: I think those numbers look great! The 18 dpo hcg is really low, but then the hcg goes on to more than double every 48 hours, so probably the embryo just implanted a little late and is developing nicely. My understanding is that progesterone always goes up and down a bit within a given day and that anything over 20 is considered okay when it comes to progesterone.
BTW, I'm curious as to whether you've been told by your RE not to have intercourse? (That is one of my RE's pregnancy rules, along with no exercise, no lifting above 10 pounds, etc.; re. sex, my RE thinks both the motion and the male hormones can cause a miscarriage.) I am waiting to do a hpt here (realistically, I should wait another 5 days), and my husband is nervous about having sex just in case I'm pregnant. I don't think most REs have this rule, which is why I wondered what yours said. I really don't think we need to be that cautious, especially given that we don't even know if I'm pregnant.
You were very thoughtful to think of others in not posting your happy news more broadly, but I think the women on this website are all happy to hear that other women's pregnancies are going well. I think that's especially true of those of us who are older--we are all battling against the statistics, and any pregnancy at an older age is a victory to be celebrated by all of us!
@Angie: Congrats with your pregnancy!!!! I'm very happy to hear that you are pregnant because that gives me faith that it is possible at "our age"!!! My m/c was only 6 weeks ago but I learnt to deal with it after I read many posts of women who miscarried and had healthy babies afterwards.I hope everything goes well this time!!
@BG-MN: thanks for all the info! Irregular cycles often occur after miscarriage...your body has to finds it's balance again.
In september, I had an ovulation bleeding on day 12 and I conceived. The 24th I went to curch for the Christmas mess. In the curch I felt some pain in my back and my abdomen. When I got home some hours later I had some pinkish spotting so I think that was another ovulation bleeding, it was day 12 as calculated from my last period on the 14th.
I never had these bleedings before till I started taking vitamine pills which also contains some Vitex. It is known that vitex regulates the hormon level etc so maybe this caused the ovulation bleedings? I discussed this already with my doctor and he said there is nothing to worry about it and it's a normal healthy thing. I see it as a very positive sign, at least I know now when I'm ovulating. I hope I conceived again in the christmas night, that would be a nice belated x-mas gift!
I did use ovulation testers for one month (august), started to test on the 10th day and didn't get any positive results. My doctor warned me that some women only have a very short surge that can be easily missed when testing every 24 hours.
Keep your fingers crossed for me, I can do a test next year(!), from january 10th.
Wish the two of you all the best for 2008!
@BG-MN: thanks for all the info! Irregular cycles often occur after miscarriage...your body has to finds it's balance again.
In september, I had an ovulation bleeding on day 12 and I conceived. The 24th I went to curch for the Christmas mess. In the curch I felt some pain in my back and my abdomen. When I got home some hours later I had some pinkish spotting so I think that was another ovulation bleeding, it was day 12 as calculated from my last period on the 14th.
I never had these bleedings before till I started taking vitamine pills which also contains some Vitex. It is known that vitex regulates the hormon level etc so maybe this caused the ovulation bleedings? I discussed this already with my doctor and he said there is nothing to worry about it and it's a normal healthy thing. I see it as a very positive sign, at least I know now when I'm ovulating. I hope I conceived again in the christmas night, that would be a nice belated x-mas gift!
I did use ovulation testers for one month (august), started to test on the 10th day and didn't get any positive results. My doctor warned me that some women only have a very short surge that can be easily missed when testing every 24 hours.
Keep your fingers crossed for me, I can do a test next year(!), from january 10th.
Wish the two of you all the best for 2008!
Sorry about hiding my news in this thread. I was just thinking of others who are sad or mourning a loss, and felt bad about broadcasting my joy. I know I was so down for weeks after the mc's.
Well, I think I ovulated on about day 11 or 12, so that would make me 25 DPO today. I felt sure I was pg on about 7 DPO with symptoms like metallic taste, and hot flashes (caused by EPF??), but didn't get a lab until 18 DPO after a very, very faint line on a HPT (like I was imagining it..). Here are my numbers -- tell me what you think;
18 DPO Hcg 68 Progesterone 30
20 DPO Hcg 263 Prog 25
24 DPO Hcg 1991 Prog 25.9
I'm a little worried about the progesterone not going up at all, but I'm not on anything, and the OB thinks it's oK. He's in that camp of " the progesterone goes down as a result of a problem with a pregnancy, and is not a cause of poor outcome..." I'm getting another check on the 28th, but only because I put some pressure on the Dr. to order it. He says he doesn't want to do an ultrasound until I have an HCG around 7500, and I guess its OK with me to wait until I can really see something. I really do have a good feeling about this time.
Angie
Well, I think I ovulated on about day 11 or 12, so that would make me 25 DPO today. I felt sure I was pg on about 7 DPO with symptoms like metallic taste, and hot flashes (caused by EPF??), but didn't get a lab until 18 DPO after a very, very faint line on a HPT (like I was imagining it..). Here are my numbers -- tell me what you think;
18 DPO Hcg 68 Progesterone 30
20 DPO Hcg 263 Prog 25
24 DPO Hcg 1991 Prog 25.9
I'm a little worried about the progesterone not going up at all, but I'm not on anything, and the OB thinks it's oK. He's in that camp of " the progesterone goes down as a result of a problem with a pregnancy, and is not a cause of poor outcome..." I'm getting another check on the 28th, but only because I put some pressure on the Dr. to order it. He says he doesn't want to do an ultrasound until I have an HCG around 7500, and I guess its OK with me to wait until I can really see something. I really do have a good feeling about this time.
Angie
WOW--congratulations! How many weeks along are you? I know you had those great FSH numbers so you had reason to be optimistic, but how wonderful that it happened so soon for you! What a great holiday gift....
I forgot to mention that I, too, have had 2 recent miscarriages in Early August and end of September. I thought it would take a little longer for my body to get back in rhythm...
I read another post by BG about ovulating early, and testing for ovulation which I had never done before. I decided to try, and I started testing on day 13 (silly me). I had a line that was slightly lighter than the control, and the next few days it got really light. I missed the whole she-bang!Therefore, I figure I ovulated on day 11 or 12, or maybe 13 if the lH surge was on day 11 or 12. (I am older too, 45 next week). That would make sense, because we BD on day 10 and 11, and lo and behold, I got a BFP on day 27! This was the least likely cycle for me to get pregnant, or so I thought. Mother nature has her ways. So now, I have had 3 Hcg's and all are going up as they should. I am cautiously optimistic, but not ready to tell anyone yet.
P.S. If you read around online, often people say early ovulation is thought to indicate a less fertile cycle. While researching this, I ended up reading a few medical studies, and research studies actually don't support this theory. What is true is that older women tend to ovulate earlier and have poorer quality eggs, but just ovulating early isn't the problem.
I've read that as women get older, we can ovulate earlier. Here's my experience, in case it's helpful to you. I'm several years older than you (46) and have been pregnant twice (and mc twice) since last spring. (My FSH is 10-11.) My cycle is usually 26-27 days, though occasionally 28 days. But in the past year, I have always ovulated on day 11 or 12, so slightly before mid-cycle. A couple of weeks ago, I went to my ob-gyn for an ultrasound to make sure my October miscarriage was complete, as last cycle I had almost constant cramping. There was no pregnancy tissue left, but the ultrasound tech measured my dominant ovarian follicle, and said I would ovulate in three days, on day 8. Normally I would never have started checking my ovulation until day 10, but I did the test early on day 8. It was negative, but early on day 9, it was positive, so I do think I ovulated later on day 8. I don't know if this was something related to the miscarriage (my first cycle came at 23 days after the mc, the next one at 26 days), or if it's age-related, or just a fluke. But since cycles can always be unpredictable after a miscarriage, maybe you should start using the ovulation predictor tests a few days earlier than normal. Or if you're not testing, try to conceive at least every 48 hours between, say, day 8 and day 18, just to be sure. I wish you success! I'm in the wait to do the hpt, which is always a long wait!
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