realy confussed,get the H1N1 vaccine or not?

[tinytoes201]

i was one of the pregnant women that said a big NO  to getting the H1N1 vaccine.for all the common reasons such as we dont know the long term effects it will have and so on.. yesterday i was watching the news and it was reported that a pregnant woman with no underline health problems has died from swine flu.my heart goes out to the family and my prayers are with them.
now i dont know what to do.this is the first case of this kind in this country so its all to real to me now.i am asking myself should i not get the vaccine bc i dont want to take the chance of harming my unborn child bc we dont know the long term effects,,, or should i get it bc if i dont i could die and the baby.. so its like im asking myself should i put the baby at risk getting the jab now or put my life at risk not getting it. im realy so confused. swine flu is in our area and in the school,its seems everyone is getting it.just woundering what are your views? has anyone here said no then changed their mind,and for what reasons?

[tinytoes201]

everyone has realy diff opinions on this,its a tricky subject but one we have to make a dicision on.we just have to hope and pray we make the right one.
i have decided to not get it.i have done loads of research and i think i definetly dont want to take the chance in getting the vaccine for myself and my kids.i checked out sites under 'bad effects of h1n1 vaccine'. there is so much on there that has realy stunned me. anyway everyone to there own.i am not a religious person but i think prayer is all i have on this now.thank you all for your comments and opinions.may we all have a safe and healty winter x

[penggal1]

LOL!!

[Ashelen]

LOL what I really need is for DH to get home so I can strangle HIM and not be in such a foul mood. Sigh...

[penggal1]

No prob.!!!  Streesful here too!

[penggal1]

Okay well that is fine if you feel that way, i agree people should have their beliefs i never stopped anyone from doing so, or encouraged them not to, So i do not really know why you were saying that is all! I post my oppinions and links and people can sort through what they want. I wasnt trying to tell people what to do. It is called a debate i just do not get rude over it, and i was alittle upset you were telling me i do not let people have their own oppinion, cause that is not true, i think me not agreeing with the other side confuses people for, me being rude or not respecting their oppinions. and it shouldnt it is a debate and we are both going to go back and forth i do not need anyone saying the kind of links i posted were not helpful and that i do not let people choice cause that is not me at all that is why i was getting mad. I get what you are saying, but i do not feel it applies to me. Sorry also! i just try to put good info out there for people to toy with. Again to each their own!

[Ashelen]

check your notes...again I'm sorry if you feel attacked it was NOT my intention. Stressful week.

[Ashelen]

again, I was not the one being so rude. I asked you to let other people have their beliefs is all...I don't understand why you targeted me to get upset at when there were far worse things said. You are right in that I can not find an example of you bold-faced telling someone they are wrong, but a lot of times you toss their opinions out the window even though you don't like it when people do that to you. That's all I was saying....If you want people to respect your opinions, respect theirs. And I believe you do a fairly good job of doing that with only a few minor exceptions (usually not instigated by you in fact :), ). I just did not like being aggressively targeted, in fact this is the sort of argument I was hoping to avoid by posting what I did. Oh well, got sucked in. My bad. I apologize again if you felt attacked.

[penggal1]

If i said anyone was wrong please point it out, cause i do not remember doing so. In a debate when someone said snippy things to be about not doing my research maybe i went back and forth with them, but i do not remember saying anyone was wrong. So please point it out so i can fix that. I dont think i post Biassed info, i post what i think is right, and im sure the other side does too. Your trying to say what this post was about or what is should be about, it is what ever people want to post on here. and their feelings most people will post their oppinion, and some back it up by a link or what ever, im sure their feelings along with their personally stories are valid. Sorry but i try to be pretty nice when posting untill someone acts like im crazy as if a lot of people do not agree with my side, then i get alittle bit more arguementative, but i still do not try and act rude, read the other comments people wrote me, they were rude. What people do not understand is that they do not have to agree, but they should be respectful and nice about it.

[Ashelen]

I do not agree or disagree with any of the information you posted. I understand where you are coming from and would be happy to drop this argument if you would agree as well. I am only upset because you attacked me when I was not the one being rude, I was only asking for things to chill out because it is OBVIOUSLY a very emotional argument and it's had to make a logical decision with so much emotion.

[penggal1]

Ashelen: I didnt mean to be rude, but im trying to understand your attitude toward me, just cause i may not have posted info you agree with, when M3l posted similar stuff we have the same oppinion. Im not rude or push it on anyone, you have to understand if i was not pationate about it then i would not care of post my feelings , but i never made or tried to make anyone feel like i was telling them what to do, maybe that is just the way it comes off cause i believe in what i say. But i still advice you to do your own research, so if that is so bad then so be it! But i didn' say anything bad or diff from M3l. She may even have a stronger view on it! We all have our own views. I do care and i wish i had all the answers, but i do not need to be bashed for it! I will stick with, telling people that i know appreciate my views instead of people bent out of shape cause i posted Links. Links are everything on this damn computer, i thought it was a good way to show the other side, not from Mercola, but from Dr. Blaylock, I find what he says to be interesting. Along with the 60 Min Clip on the real PAST of what went on with the last Flu shot. I see these as being good links, you do not want to view them, that is fine. I can not make you!!!

[Ashelen]

Please re-read the earlier posts. I was not the one bashing you. I was simply asking you to let other people's opinions be heard and not respond with every opinion with "you're so wrong!!" there WERE people saying fairly rude things, but I was not one of them, there were far ruder comments than mine. so un-bunch YOUR panties and let it go. I was NOT saying take a poll, I was simply saying that most women are probably here to hear what choices other women have made, not receive a bunch of biased information...ON BOTH SIDES. I haven't made up my mind, haven't I stated that? And I don't appreciate your aggressive posting, because all I said was that I really wish you would let people's opinions stand and not try to tear them down. I said I respected your decision not to trust the CDC and refuse to get the vaccine. And I do. I actually respect everything you said up until your last post, I just was hoping you would stop trying to tell everyone they're so wrong for their own beliefs, because clearly you don't like it when people do it to you (who does, honestly?). I apologize if you felt I was attacking you but I really feel I deserve an apology too, because your last post was out of line in my opinion.

[penggal1]

Again it is people like you that make me laugh, i ant believe just because i post my thoughts and LINKS, not just links, how you get your panties in a bnch cause i didnt take a pole of the women on here and ask them how they feel, oh please. Bottom line i respect what ever choices people want to make, you however do not, that is why u are on here bashing me acting like im trying to make people feel bad, i think it is halarious, I do not need to follow any guidlines you put in place as far as how i post info on here. Everyone does it all the time in their posts, but obviously this is one you guys don't agree with so you are makin a big deal, as i said in all my posts do you research, and that doesnt mean im right, dig on the internet drs, schools whatever you can find because if you think the Govt and some Dr are going to always be the ones to tell you what is right,you are sadly mistaken. That doesnt mean im right, it is just what i believe, and to each their own, but that is not going to stop me from posting links i think are good, just because you take offense. So take your own advice, and realise you are the one who cant handle the other side and are being snippy! If you do not like the links or posts i put dont read them, not really a big deal. I have plenty people as you do who think i am completley right. Again that does not mean im right, but yes people do what most good Dr who advice, try and build your own thoughts on it and gather your research, in todays age we are so scared people do not even question the authorities, and we should sometimes, there is nothing wrong with that in what ever you descide.

[penggal1]

Yeah i def do not only go by Mercola he was just one example, so find something else to say. myy cruisade isn't misramable, and if it is i guess since u do not agree with me i guess yours is too. I simply posted some of my thoughts and links it is people like you, who freak about it. I have not been rude or obnoxious like you in any way. So again i love when people do not agree how they act.

[m3lanie]

I just can't stand people who stand by vaccines like it is a religion and then have them encourage people to take them as if it were as safe as a candy bet those people are the ones that believe what their doctors tell them and so if my doctor says so then it must be correct, mentality. It sux what this world has come too. Best of luck in your decision but I wont stop being concerned.

[Ashelen]

I totally understand why you feel the way you do...I just don't want anyone to feel attacked, you know? I do appreciate you directing us to these forums though they're by far the most helpful thing posted about anti-vaccine information I've come across so far....real experiences are way better than hearsay...thank you :) this is exactly the kind of stuff I needed/wanted to see to help make up my mind. I'm still iffy on the fence, but it's by far more helpful than "this doctor says this" or "this magazine reports this" and it helps a lot.

[m3lanie]

if you click on the word FORUM above you will find links to other forum topics scroll down til you see immunization& vaccines. Posts about tingling yes and if you go back further you  will find the gardasil posts too. You just don't know and to risk being injcted with who knows what is crazy. There are natural means of protection... Search Those. I'm sorry but just want to help show the other side of things.

[Ashelen]

There's a thread about tingling caused by the vaccination I just read...it's actually really interesting, but I'm not sure it's what she meant?

I'm also trying to listen to both sides of the argument to help me make up my mind, I just don't like EITHER side attacking the other...it's counter-productive.

[tiredbuthappy]

I tried to find the thread you are referring to. I am not blindly advocating vaccination and do try to read some of the threads that you and penggal post. All I could find was the thread you started based on Swedish tabloid reports of side-effects. Is there another thread I am missing? Your post made it sound like there is an active thread of Medhelp members who experienced side-effects. Instead, all I could find a list from a Swedish tabloid, which is kind of a moot point here because the US does not use adjuvenents, which is what they suspect causes negative reactions. If a more credible, active thread exists on medhelp, please post a link to it. Thanks!

[m3lanie]

perhaps some of you blind bats go check out the vaccines/immunization thread under forum and read soe posts from actual real humans going thru some adverse reactions to the h1n1 shot. While your at it check out the post written about the gardasil vaccine in the same thread. I'm sure the doctors of all these poor suffering poeple were so encourage and that it was safe... And they believe this becuz? Oh wait they're smarter then the neurologists so you should trust what your doctor says. Makes me laugh how many of us are actually caine enough to make it a mission to try inform people about how these chemical based vaccines are harmful and then get bashed down for it as if we are the evil ones. You do what you will to yourselves but when children with no voice get injcted with God knows then that's where I have a problem. Yes, I do believe that in order for the gov to make money they need to keep ppl sick. The pharma is a huge industry be a rich one at that. Believe what you want but don't bash us down bcause we care enough to inform about the otherside.

[Ashelen]

I had heard about him being discredited as well. I actually have two autistic cousins...they're both the eldest sons of a set of twins. One got the MMR and her son turned out autistic, the other DID NOT GET the MMR and he still turned out autistic. There's some bold-faced research results for you, LOL. As they're thinking more and more, it's not only environmental, but most likely genetic.

Penggal1 I just think you're basing your results on completely biased sources. Yes you're using many different sources, but you're only believing the ones that support your beliefs! I'm just saying that throwing propaganda from BOTH sides of this argument is inappropriate when these women need to be given wholesome "How do YOU feel about it?" advice and not "I read this! Check out this article!". If it were me, I would be listening to the posts about the choices the women in the forum have been making and let that help me make up my mind....nothing's better than actual results, and if 9 out of 10 women on the forum have chosen to get their shots, that's pretty clear results to me, you see? I don't know, just stop trying to overpower anyone who's deciding that they want the shot. It's a hard decision and you don't need to be putting them into doubt once they've already gotten it. I realize you want to voice your opinion and that's fine if you don't want to trust the CDC I totally respect that, just don't try to tear down anyone who DOES choose to get the shot and trust the CDC. Just let it go and let other people have their opinions is all I'm asking....anywho, still not decided. I see my OB/GP next week and will make up my mind then I s'pose.

[tiredbuthappy]

you don't have to trust the CDC. You can find the same information worldwide. Unless of course, this profit-based conspiracy has infiltrated organizations such as the WHO.

Study showing that the vaccine matches virus strain-http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_11_16/en/index.html

Stance on vaccines and safety- http://www.who.int/csr/disease/swineflu/frequently_asked_questions/vaccine_preparedness/en/index.html

This page has links to maps and such. http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_11_13/en/index.html
The WHO does acknowledge the difference btw actual H1N1 cases, and reports of ILI (influenza-like illness). It is not trying to manipulate or deceive.

Your obsession and persistance on this little crusade is admirable. I do, however, question some of your sources. As a research analyst, surely you recognize that Dr. Mercola, one of the major supporters of your assertions and someone who is frequently cited in these assertions, cannot be considered a credible source. Throughout my schooling, including Grad school, i have had to do plenty of research. Mercola is exactly the type of source we are trained to avoid.

[Limonada]

Why can't we agree to disagree here, people?  Nothing is going to get resolved here....

There are compelling arguments on both sides.

Although regarding autism....the doctor who supposedly linked childhood immunizations (MMR in particular) to a higher incidence of autism has been completely discredited by the medical community, his study has no validity.  But there are lots of individuals (good friends of ours included whose son is autistic) who continue to believe in his findings and refuse to immunize their children going forward.  The mechanisims are now in place to properly diagnose the disorder, which is mainly why it's on the rise, I believe.  Although there could be other environmental factors....I'm no expert.

[penggal1]

I didn't say there was not educated people on both sides, so do not put words in my mouth. But if you were listening to me, i do not just get my research from one source, nor do i just listen to one drs story, i gather a bunch of info from diff people, internet, drs, friends, articles, videos. So chill out, im giving my side you can give yours, but i would not ever assume you or anyone on this site was putting them or their baby at risk based off of their descions, so yeah that was rude, the truth is people do that do not agree with my view get very defensive such as your self, instead of just trying to share info. Anyone who has posted info on here, i try and at least to research what they are saying, i do not just blow it off, i too would like to get to the bottom of this, but i do know it is not cut and dry. God forbid you are wrong!

[Proud_Papa_of_2]

so you make yourself feel better by the fact a doctor backs up your risking your health and your baby's health. that's good for you but there are educated people on both sides so believe what u want. god forbid that ur wrong.