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Intuition - learned or unexplained sixth sense phenomenon?
BB - Thanks for the book suggestion - I'll put it on my list! I love reading:) Well, if it's true that intuition is learned, how do you explain a child's intuition? They wouldn't have had the time and experience to build the knowledge base you are talking about. I believe that there are some things we cannot explain.
April I believe you are connected to your daughter in a way only a parent can understand. I think you know your daughter well. I hope things continue to get better for you and your family:)
Well, I agree that intuition is a learned skill: learning to pick up on body language, understanding hidden, and I also agree in picking up on the energy around people. I think we all have this ability on some level.
Well, I agree that intuition is a learned skill: learning to pick up on body language, understanding hidden, and I also agree in picking up on the energy around people. I think we all have this ability on some level.
I know! I think I immediately regreted sending this! I think I was banking on (and hoping!) that BB really did leave! Because you're right, if she sees this she'll rip me to shreds! I really hope she doesn't. This has been a really difficult year for us with our daughter. She's had a lot happen that I won't go into here. You can look on my thread to Mayflowers and Melcognito if you want to understand more. Our hearts are just beginning to mend, though, so I hope I don't get attacked by BB.
But you are right, I'm very protective over my kids! My daughter also got into a unhealthy relationship with a boy who was pressuring her to have sex this last winter. I also picked up vibes from him that I did not react on. He was WAY too intense, and WAY too dependent on her and controlling. I saw things that made me uncomfortable but I thought that we could just watch the situation carefully and make sure they were never alone. He still managed to get her alone. I should have just listened to my first instincts and stopped the relationship.
And you are right, I've been told that it's pretty normal for kids to explore all avenues of sexuality to try and figure out where they belong. I had a youth leader who told me it's pretty common for kids to explore same sex attraction but it doesn't mean they will turn out gay. Hoooooo boy, getting WAY off topic here now!
But you are right, I'm very protective over my kids! My daughter also got into a unhealthy relationship with a boy who was pressuring her to have sex this last winter. I also picked up vibes from him that I did not react on. He was WAY too intense, and WAY too dependent on her and controlling. I saw things that made me uncomfortable but I thought that we could just watch the situation carefully and make sure they were never alone. He still managed to get her alone. I should have just listened to my first instincts and stopped the relationship.
And you are right, I've been told that it's pretty normal for kids to explore all avenues of sexuality to try and figure out where they belong. I had a youth leader who told me it's pretty common for kids to explore same sex attraction but it doesn't mean they will turn out gay. Hoooooo boy, getting WAY off topic here now!
Wow, April2, you're just BEGGING for BB to worm her way back onto this thread and rip you to shreds, aren't you? hahaha! Don't feel guilty though...considering your daughter is only 14 I'm willing to guess that you'd have done the same thing if it was a young male trying to pursue your daughter too. And being homosexual doesn't automatically make it a healthy pursuit, either. "Predatory" behavior on any child, even by another child, is nervewracking.
But about the "vibe"...that's a good example. You may have subconsciously immediately picked up something about her that exuded her sexuality.
But about the "vibe"...that's a good example. You may have subconsciously immediately picked up something about her that exuded her sexuality.
I did, big time! I'm almost afraid to say it here in case I offend someone, but here it goes: You asked if we've ever had a feeling in our gut that we tried to ignore about someone. Last Summer my 14 year old daughter came back from a Summer camp and I went to pick her up. She was with a group of girls and introduced me to one. I immediately thought she's a lesbian. I was surprised by the thought. To tell you the truth I haven't known too many homosexual people and have been pretty sheltered in a lot of ways growing up. I immediately pushed the thought away and concentrated on trying to get to know this girl since she seemed to have befriended my daughter. I began to get more and more uncomfortable though with this friendship because I noticed that this girl would pull my daughter away from the other kids to herself and she began to buy her things, etc. I found an email that confirmed my suspicions. This girl was pursing my daughter. She was almost acting like a predator! She was complimenting her a lot, giving her gifts and pulling her away from the other kids. My daughter has a low self esteem and I think at first enjoyed the attention. My daughter has had some bad things that have happened to her in her past that made her more suceptable to peer pressure. She desperately wants to be accepted by her peers and hasn't figured out yet who she really is. She had already been in counseling but this incident set her back. After meeting this girl, she met another friend that was into some pretty dark things and she started going down that road. I keep trying to encourage her to be her own person. To not be such a follower. She's getting stronger. I think she's started to realize how dependent she's been on her peers.
I sure hope I don't get slammed for sharing this. I have no hatred, etc. for homosexuals. I actually had a lot of compassion for this girl. My daughter told me this girl had been raped by a boyfriend and abused by her father and stepmother. She also was a cutter. She was actually a likeable kid, I just was trying to protect my daughter.
I sure hope I don't get slammed for sharing this. I have no hatred, etc. for homosexuals. I actually had a lot of compassion for this girl. My daughter told me this girl had been raped by a boyfriend and abused by her father and stepmother. She also was a cutter. She was actually a likeable kid, I just was trying to protect my daughter.
koukla29, in answer to your question, yes. Several times. Of course the argument could be made that your mind was picking up, even on a subconscious level, very subtles clues that person was giving off (such as lying, for example) that, in the clutter of the conscious mind, didn't seem entirely clear on a conscious level. I think that's what a lot of "gut" feelings really are, most of the time. I do believe some people are more in tune to these vibes than others, making them seem "gifted." And perhaps even those that are considered "psychic" in reality are just extremely sensitive to energy vibes that are set off by certain actions and events (all energy must go SOMEWHERE.)
But I do think we are all capable of that on some level. And yes, I've experienced it in both friendships and romantic relationships.
But I do think we are all capable of that on some level. And yes, I've experienced it in both friendships and romantic relationships.
Well, my post was never about religion or politics. LOL. It was about intuition and dreams. Do people really know things deep inside? Are dreams meaniningful? This whole thread has become a subtopic, but so what? I guess intuition and belief in dreams caused the conversation to turn towards faith and the belief in a higher power and then everything else! Anyways...
Ok so let's bring it back to the forum topic: relationships. Do you think that we intuitively know if we are in a bad relationship? Have you ever had a feeling in your gut that you tried to ignore about someone, only to find that you were actually correct in your thinking?
Ok so let's bring it back to the forum topic: relationships. Do you think that we intuitively know if we are in a bad relationship? Have you ever had a feeling in your gut that you tried to ignore about someone, only to find that you were actually correct in your thinking?
I hope so. I alerted the mods, but they basically said that they wouldn't do anything unless she was breaking the rules. They said I should read the rules, and if I see any violations, then email the thread link to them. I didn't do this because I already had emailed them two links and explained my suspicions about this poster; I also said that if you read those links and read through some of the other threads that this poster contributed to, it would be pretty clear what her intentions are. She's had to have violated some rules along the line; she's called people names, and went into off-topic rants on several occasions that I've seen, and I'm not even a regular poster here. They did delete a couple of her posts, I've noticed.
You would think that barn babe would be responding if she were able to, though someone said in another thread that this poster often leaves after she's called out, then returns days later, posting like normal. That is classic troll behavior - cause a huge stir, then disappear. I also doubt she's who she says she is. If she's near 50, then I'm half her age, and I have the maturity and sense not to act like that. She sounds to me like a very young white man who is going through a self-loathing phase. She keeps mentioning do we really think that God is an old, white man. She obviously has something against old, white men. They're not my du jour, either, but dang. I think she's just here to release anger and gather minions, and I'm hoping that since several people confronted her, maybe she'll get the point and leave.
You would think that barn babe would be responding if she were able to, though someone said in another thread that this poster often leaves after she's called out, then returns days later, posting like normal. That is classic troll behavior - cause a huge stir, then disappear. I also doubt she's who she says she is. If she's near 50, then I'm half her age, and I have the maturity and sense not to act like that. She sounds to me like a very young white man who is going through a self-loathing phase. She keeps mentioning do we really think that God is an old, white man. She obviously has something against old, white men. They're not my du jour, either, but dang. I think she's just here to release anger and gather minions, and I'm hoping that since several people confronted her, maybe she'll get the point and leave.
"Spade, you still didn't get your question answered here did you?! LOL You were very patient to keep asking the same question but Barn Babe never did respond to that one, did she? "
No she didnt but I am eagerly awaiting her reponse though!
No she didnt but I am eagerly awaiting her reponse though!
Oh, and the reason I think that is because she hasn't responded to anything. Must be killing her.
i just dont think medhelp is the appropriate place for the discussion of religion or politics. maybe you could ask them if they would open a forum devoted to that.
She started this whole thing. Nobody cares what she does or doesn't believe. That's not the problem. She was attacking people in a very childish way when people were just trying to nicely explain their views which she asked them to do. She asked them to answer her, and they did, nicely. She's very, very angry. Sort of like a wildcat. I still think she needs more hugs.
Wow.. go to work for a day and come back to this... you know, let me just say this. I am a Christian, and I am proud of my beliefs. However, I have a large variety of friends with different religions. I don't feel a need to change any of them. As a Christian, I think it is my duty to explain my beliefs if I am asked about them, but this is very different persective than pushing my ideas on someone else. That said, I try my best not to judge others on their beliefs. I think you can learn a lot from everyone. This is why I started this post.
Well, as far as children are concerned, here is an example, children know when someone is not a good person/has bad intentions towards them. They know but they are too vulnerable to get away. I went to a seminar taught by an ex FBI agent who investigated sexual predators, and he discussed teaching children to trust their gut. It's ok to trust that feeling in the pit of their stomach that something is not right. This is what he wanted us to instill in the children.
BB: I have read many studies done on resiliency, and let me tell you that it is resiliency, and a person's belief that things will get better that has helped people restore their lives. There have been countless studies done on populations that were affected by natural disasters, wars, and disease that show a positive correlation between resiliency and survival. In addition, one of my favorite books was written by a Holocaust survivor, a psychiatrist who lost his entire family in the concentration camps and his faith and belief that life had meaning is what kept him going and defining the theory of Logotherapy - a talk therapy. The book is called, "Man's Search for Meaning" by Victor Frankl. It's an excellent book written by a psychiatrist who did not preach about his religion, and his resiliency shines throughout the pages.
I don't get offended by someone believing my faith is magical thinking, and I don't feel a need to prove it to you beyond what I have said. I will, however, say that not all Christians are so strict in their beliefs that they judge others; just because I am Christian does not mean I want to judge homosexuals, stand outside abortion clinics, or preach revelations to everyone who walks near me. Oh, and I am on bc, so I don't see with that as wrong either. I am guessing you have been around some Christians who have forced their beliefs on you, and if that's happened I am sorry because I don't believe Christianity needs to be shoved down anyone's throat.
Finally, I would like to say to everyone. I wish there was a way to have lively debate without the insulting language, or making anyone feel stupid for having an opinion. I think its ok to have strong opinion, but what is not ok is to make judgement calls about another person's intelligence, medical diagnosis, or whatever else one can think of in order to make themselves appear a more knowledgable and intellectually superior human being. I think there is a lot of intelligence here on this forum, and I greatly enjoy reading all of your posts. On other words, can't we all just get along??? Maybe this is magical thinking... hahaha
PS. I am getting tired so please ignore my mispellings because it's time for the contacts to come out:)
Well, as far as children are concerned, here is an example, children know when someone is not a good person/has bad intentions towards them. They know but they are too vulnerable to get away. I went to a seminar taught by an ex FBI agent who investigated sexual predators, and he discussed teaching children to trust their gut. It's ok to trust that feeling in the pit of their stomach that something is not right. This is what he wanted us to instill in the children.
BB: I have read many studies done on resiliency, and let me tell you that it is resiliency, and a person's belief that things will get better that has helped people restore their lives. There have been countless studies done on populations that were affected by natural disasters, wars, and disease that show a positive correlation between resiliency and survival. In addition, one of my favorite books was written by a Holocaust survivor, a psychiatrist who lost his entire family in the concentration camps and his faith and belief that life had meaning is what kept him going and defining the theory of Logotherapy - a talk therapy. The book is called, "Man's Search for Meaning" by Victor Frankl. It's an excellent book written by a psychiatrist who did not preach about his religion, and his resiliency shines throughout the pages.
I don't get offended by someone believing my faith is magical thinking, and I don't feel a need to prove it to you beyond what I have said. I will, however, say that not all Christians are so strict in their beliefs that they judge others; just because I am Christian does not mean I want to judge homosexuals, stand outside abortion clinics, or preach revelations to everyone who walks near me. Oh, and I am on bc, so I don't see with that as wrong either. I am guessing you have been around some Christians who have forced their beliefs on you, and if that's happened I am sorry because I don't believe Christianity needs to be shoved down anyone's throat.
Finally, I would like to say to everyone. I wish there was a way to have lively debate without the insulting language, or making anyone feel stupid for having an opinion. I think its ok to have strong opinion, but what is not ok is to make judgement calls about another person's intelligence, medical diagnosis, or whatever else one can think of in order to make themselves appear a more knowledgable and intellectually superior human being. I think there is a lot of intelligence here on this forum, and I greatly enjoy reading all of your posts. On other words, can't we all just get along??? Maybe this is magical thinking... hahaha
PS. I am getting tired so please ignore my mispellings because it's time for the contacts to come out:)
i just keep my beliefs to myself after getting quite the namecalling bashing i recieved lol. when things have happened to you and you know only something larger than yourself could be the reason, how can you not believe that something out there is of greater force than yourself? ive experienced many things over the years, and i know i had help. she wont return, she will give it a few days like always when called out, then answer another post. i dont see how making fun and to belittle someone makes you feel better, but it seems to. i agree with whoever said she seems to like to say how liberal she is, but she is extemely dominating and one sided with all points of view. i was under the impression that wasnt a lefty lol.
Oh no, I didn't mean any one person. I just was afraid this would start to get out of hand. I probably shouldn't have issued that challange to Barn Babe or at least started a new post, shouldn't I have? I just wanted to see how willing she'd be to see others' viewpoints. I'm starting to see that she won't listen to anything that doesn't agree with her. It's funny, I don't usually tell others my beliefs unless I see that they have the same beliefs as me. It's just when I see Barn Babe constantly bashing Christians and mocking God, etc., it gets to me. It's very offensive. And I've seen a pattern of it over and over in other posts. It gets old.
What thread are you talking about? Was this a branch off another thread?
I guess you're right! This is a sex forum! LOL, How in the world did we get so off topic? I think I can tell we're all ladies! We like to talk! Blessings!
What thread are you talking about? Was this a branch off another thread?
I guess you're right! This is a sex forum! LOL, How in the world did we get so off topic? I think I can tell we're all ladies! We like to talk! Blessings!
i think if we could all just respect each others difference in opinion, i mean barn babe be ok with those that pray to a god, and christians be ok with her athiest beliefs, it would work out better. she does like to taunt some of us, ive experienced it myself. maybe we could end our war here on religion. this is a sex forum after all lol. just my little ol opinion.
I hope you're not talking about me, since I've not insulted barn babe, at least not to close to the degree that she has insulted me. I was just agreeing with the others that she's bothersome, and I said I don't care to hear from her hateful mouth anymore (the truth). She called me names and basically said I was stupid. I believe in turning the other cheek, but I also *will* stand up for myself when I believe I'm being treated unfairly. All I wanted to do from the beginning was keep my thread on topic - I asked NICELY, could we not turn this into a debate? At least koukla had the courtesy to start a new thread. Then, barn babe had the nerve to belittle my situation, which was the only reason why the thread was started in the first place - the dreams discussion and this debate would have never happened without it.
This is a board about interpersonal relationships, not a science vs. religion board. I maintain that barn babe is a troll, looking for any excuse to throw out her beliefs, i.e. my statement: "I had a dream last night," brings on: "Dreams are meaningless! It's religious propaganda again, blah, blah, blah..." It seems to me that barn babe had a very bad experience with religion when she was younger, and has to take it out on someone. Well, I know of a board for Catholics that she could preach to - they would LOVE to get ahold of her. The fact is, her rantings don't belong on a health board, and when the insults come out, it bothers me even more because the conversations don't have any relavence here in the first place. She just tries to hijack threads - for ex., a woman was talking about her husband's drug problem/affair, and someone puts in that she should say a prayer. Barn babe goes into a rant about religion not being able to save marriages. It should be stopped; she should be stopped. I for one am not a regular here, but to those that are, I hope you'll report her when she gets out of line again. People come here to discuss delicate issues, and don't deserve to be subjected to that. I don't hold any ill will toward the person; I can see that she has been hurt, and I hope that she can find peace. God bless you all! :)
This is a board about interpersonal relationships, not a science vs. religion board. I maintain that barn babe is a troll, looking for any excuse to throw out her beliefs, i.e. my statement: "I had a dream last night," brings on: "Dreams are meaningless! It's religious propaganda again, blah, blah, blah..." It seems to me that barn babe had a very bad experience with religion when she was younger, and has to take it out on someone. Well, I know of a board for Catholics that she could preach to - they would LOVE to get ahold of her. The fact is, her rantings don't belong on a health board, and when the insults come out, it bothers me even more because the conversations don't have any relavence here in the first place. She just tries to hijack threads - for ex., a woman was talking about her husband's drug problem/affair, and someone puts in that she should say a prayer. Barn babe goes into a rant about religion not being able to save marriages. It should be stopped; she should be stopped. I for one am not a regular here, but to those that are, I hope you'll report her when she gets out of line again. People come here to discuss delicate issues, and don't deserve to be subjected to that. I don't hold any ill will toward the person; I can see that she has been hurt, and I hope that she can find peace. God bless you all! :)
Thanks guys for a very lively and intersting debate here! I've really enjoyed it. It was a real eye-opener in more ways than one! We should do this again sometime! :D
Trialanderror, you are so funny! Thanks for making me laugh!
Spade, you still didn't get your question answered here did you?! LOL You were very patient to keep asking the same question but Barn Babe never did respond to that one, did she?
And Jordy, I have to say I agree with you. It's sad, Barn Babe doesn't seem to see this in herself (being a bully) but others see right through her. Like I told her, I'll keep praying. Who knows? Miracles do happen! And Trialanderror, I'll pray for you too! LOL
I've learned so much here! Thanks again guys! I've enjoyed talking with you all!
God bless!
Trialanderror, you are so funny! Thanks for making me laugh!
Spade, you still didn't get your question answered here did you?! LOL You were very patient to keep asking the same question but Barn Babe never did respond to that one, did she?
And Jordy, I have to say I agree with you. It's sad, Barn Babe doesn't seem to see this in herself (being a bully) but others see right through her. Like I told her, I'll keep praying. Who knows? Miracles do happen! And Trialanderror, I'll pray for you too! LOL
I've learned so much here! Thanks again guys! I've enjoyed talking with you all!
God bless!
It's not always possible. I was extremely respectful to barn babe if you look at my original post as I expressed a simple idea (which, quite frankly actually BACKED UP her own claims in a way), and in fact told her flat out that I wasn't antagonizing her and just wanted a response to the idea...and what did I get in return almost immediately? Insults. Told that I was "out of my league" (how she has even any clue the depth of an anonymous stranger's league is a mystery) and that I looked ridiculous. Just typical mocks and insults. Until I pretty much spelled it out for her that I was actually somewhat supporting her points with a question about individual thought processes and how they come into play. I couldn't believe she missed the point so badly when I pretty much said (summarized) "if there IS no god or higher power than the belief MUST be biologically based since it does exist within someone's OWN MIND and brain cells." Boing! Right over her head! She may not like the theory, but it's out there. But in typical fashion for her, she reacts with rude abrasiveness and fear that I was somehow saying god is real (how that is stated in my theory is a mystery as well) rather than a simple "hm, can't say that I agree with that!" She seems incapable of civilized discussion.
But her latest reaction to your challenge, April2, is the most telling. She refuses to expand her knowledge of the intense studies behind the subject (again, barn babe, before you panic, NO ONE IS SAYING YOU HAVE TO AGREE) and actually makes a statement that the scientist "did no scientific tests" without even KNOWING what research led him to his conclusions.
She's completely shooting from the hip, desperately, at this point. Which would be fine, actually, if she didn't feel the need to stomp on any inkling of discussion around her.
Ever ask yourself, "whatever happened to that bully in school that all the kids hated?" I have to venture to guess...one of them grew up, got all excited about the anonymity of the internet, gave herself the all-powerful "barn babe" handle and settled into medhelp.org to pump up her fragile ego.
I for one don't play to the logic of giving her respect where it clearly isn't due. She's a bully, who clearly hasn't outgrown her "nya nya! You're not the boss of me!" days on the playground.
But her latest reaction to your challenge, April2, is the most telling. She refuses to expand her knowledge of the intense studies behind the subject (again, barn babe, before you panic, NO ONE IS SAYING YOU HAVE TO AGREE) and actually makes a statement that the scientist "did no scientific tests" without even KNOWING what research led him to his conclusions.
She's completely shooting from the hip, desperately, at this point. Which would be fine, actually, if she didn't feel the need to stomp on any inkling of discussion around her.
Ever ask yourself, "whatever happened to that bully in school that all the kids hated?" I have to venture to guess...one of them grew up, got all excited about the anonymity of the internet, gave herself the all-powerful "barn babe" handle and settled into medhelp.org to pump up her fragile ego.
I for one don't play to the logic of giving her respect where it clearly isn't due. She's a bully, who clearly hasn't outgrown her "nya nya! You're not the boss of me!" days on the playground.
I must have gone through the same type of discussions hundreds of times. Just wanted to say thanks for the crisp and funny comments - offensive to some, fantastic to me. Now I can just print them and glue them to my forehead in case someone wants to pray for me.
I agree with you 100% on your last post: We as Christians should watch our mouths, turn the other cheek, and not mock and insult in return.
I've tried very hard to hold to that myself with Barn Babe. I stick with the questions I want answered and my opinions I express, without throwing in any mockery or insults, as hard as that is sometimes. I won't write towards her that way nor would I speak to her that way if I saw her face to face.
I've tried very hard to hold to that myself with Barn Babe. I stick with the questions I want answered and my opinions I express, without throwing in any mockery or insults, as hard as that is sometimes. I won't write towards her that way nor would I speak to her that way if I saw her face to face.
btw guys, let's all (including me!) try to be careful that we're not trading insult for insult, ok? I understand how tempting that can be, but for those of us who call ourselves Christians, we are supposed to be representing Christ (as hard as that is). Even when our Lord was insulted, he did not open his mouth but turned the other cheek. Barn Babe is just as precious in God's eyes as any of the rest of us. He created her and died for her too. How do we expect people to be drawn to Christ unless we show his love through us? Granted, Barn Babe is a hard nut to crack and is pretty stubborn but none of us are righteous. None of us deserve God's grace. Yes, it grates on my nerves when she curses and mocks, but I keep reminding myself that Jesus was spit upon and cursed, whipped and crucified and yet he asked the Father to forgive them because they didn't even know what they were doing. If only everyone (including Barn Babe) truly realized the depth of his love for us, we wouldn't have atheists in this world.
"I don't need to be patronized, but thanks anyway. I have no plans to read about Christian apologists like Strobel. Unless he is discussing experiments that he's set up or knows about that will help him prove the existence of his faith. But he didn't do that, did he? No. He just "decided" to start believing one day. For whatever reason. Why would I care who Strobel got on board to agree to his wacky religious ideas? I wouldn't care if it's the president of Harvard or the head of the Quantum Physics Department at Berkeley. If they believe in "higher powers" and divine knowledge, they've got a screw loose"
How would you know if he or other scientists did any experiments since you won't read the book? He didn't just "decide" to believe. It was after careful examination of Darwinism's theories and talking to many scientists and others who have indeed tested and studied everything from molecules, DNA, cell structure, fossils, etc. One biologist Michael Behe decided to investigate whether the evidence points towards Darwinism or God as the source for living organisms. his conclusions were stunning. Quoting from him "Now we've probed to the bottom of life, so to speak----we're at the level of molecules---and there's complexity all the way down. We've learned the cell is horrendously complicated, and that it's actually run by micromachines of the right shape, the right strength, and the right interactions. The existance of these machines challanges a test that Darwin himself provided. Darwin said in his Origin of Species, 'If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down.' And that was the basis for my concept of irreducible complexity.
You see, a system or device is irreducibly complex if it has a number of different components that all work together to accomplish the task of the system, and if you were to remove one of the components, the system would no longer function. An irreducibly complex system is highly unlikely to be built piece-by-piece through Darwinian processes, because the system has to be fully present in order for it to function." Then he goes on to describe the test he used to prove his point. I could go on and on here but I'd have to write out the whole book in order for it to make sense and I can't do that here. However, this is only one hole they've discovered with Darwins' theory. I'm surprised you still follow the teachings of a man who lived well over 100 years ago. Our scientific knowledge has expanded so much since then and they are finding moe and more holes in Darwins' theories. I'm not saying everything he said was wrong. I actually believe in parts of evolution. But why not be open to new possibilities? After all, if you had lived 100 years ago would you have believed we could send a man to the moon? Or how about all the advances we've now made in medicine? People 100 years ago would have considered these impossible and certainly would have been amazed to live in this time and age we're in now. Will God allow himself to be discovered in another 100 years? Or can we really put him in a box like that? Would he allow himself to be put under a microscope or would that somehow take away from his diety? How do you know what kind of advances we will make in another 50 or 100 years? How can you not be open to the possibilities?
You refuse to study or even be open to the things I've discussed. You've already said you refuse to read this book, yet you are assuming things about it. That seems pretty close minded to me. You contradict yourself. You say how much you hate religious fanatics who are hatemongers (and yes, unfortunately there's many out there) but yet all I've heard coming out of you is hatefulness, mockery, swearing, sarcasim. You show no respect for those who believe, but want us to respect you and your beliefs. Isn't that a little like the pot calling the kettle black? Do you even see what you are doing? If you were to tell me that you want me to read Darwins theories on evolution to better understand you, I'd readily agree. Actually, I'm going to do that. My son already said he's read some of his material. I've read some too but not much. You see, like I said before, I'm not threatened by evolution or your beliefs. My faith is firm enough to stand up to anything you throw at me. And I don't have to resort to insults, swearing and mockery. It's interesting that you resort to these things maybe when you can't think of anything else? It seems like something someone would do when they feel backed into a corner. Why do you feel so threatened? What's the worse that could happen if you were to educate yourself a little more in this area? Even if you were to do that and still decide you choose not to believe the same as us (Christians), at least it would give you a better understanding of our beliefs and where we come from. Of course, it sounds like you just don't want to understand us. It's interesting you're all for gay rights and abortion rights because you think you're standing up for human rights, yet our rights don't matter and are trampled on. Christians are being pursecuted more and more these days. But then we were warned that it would happen. After all, our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ was persecuted. And he did say the world would get worse and worse (morally) before he returns. By the way, all the prophesies written thousands of years ago in the Bible have come about except a few left. How do you explain that? And they weren't just generalized prophesies.They were pretty specific.But then you wouldn't know that because you would never pick up a Bible either. I hope someday you will understand. I know you won't like me saying this but I'm praying for you. Take care.
How would you know if he or other scientists did any experiments since you won't read the book? He didn't just "decide" to believe. It was after careful examination of Darwinism's theories and talking to many scientists and others who have indeed tested and studied everything from molecules, DNA, cell structure, fossils, etc. One biologist Michael Behe decided to investigate whether the evidence points towards Darwinism or God as the source for living organisms. his conclusions were stunning. Quoting from him "Now we've probed to the bottom of life, so to speak----we're at the level of molecules---and there's complexity all the way down. We've learned the cell is horrendously complicated, and that it's actually run by micromachines of the right shape, the right strength, and the right interactions. The existance of these machines challanges a test that Darwin himself provided. Darwin said in his Origin of Species, 'If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down.' And that was the basis for my concept of irreducible complexity.
You see, a system or device is irreducibly complex if it has a number of different components that all work together to accomplish the task of the system, and if you were to remove one of the components, the system would no longer function. An irreducibly complex system is highly unlikely to be built piece-by-piece through Darwinian processes, because the system has to be fully present in order for it to function." Then he goes on to describe the test he used to prove his point. I could go on and on here but I'd have to write out the whole book in order for it to make sense and I can't do that here. However, this is only one hole they've discovered with Darwins' theory. I'm surprised you still follow the teachings of a man who lived well over 100 years ago. Our scientific knowledge has expanded so much since then and they are finding moe and more holes in Darwins' theories. I'm not saying everything he said was wrong. I actually believe in parts of evolution. But why not be open to new possibilities? After all, if you had lived 100 years ago would you have believed we could send a man to the moon? Or how about all the advances we've now made in medicine? People 100 years ago would have considered these impossible and certainly would have been amazed to live in this time and age we're in now. Will God allow himself to be discovered in another 100 years? Or can we really put him in a box like that? Would he allow himself to be put under a microscope or would that somehow take away from his diety? How do you know what kind of advances we will make in another 50 or 100 years? How can you not be open to the possibilities?
You refuse to study or even be open to the things I've discussed. You've already said you refuse to read this book, yet you are assuming things about it. That seems pretty close minded to me. You contradict yourself. You say how much you hate religious fanatics who are hatemongers (and yes, unfortunately there's many out there) but yet all I've heard coming out of you is hatefulness, mockery, swearing, sarcasim. You show no respect for those who believe, but want us to respect you and your beliefs. Isn't that a little like the pot calling the kettle black? Do you even see what you are doing? If you were to tell me that you want me to read Darwins theories on evolution to better understand you, I'd readily agree. Actually, I'm going to do that. My son already said he's read some of his material. I've read some too but not much. You see, like I said before, I'm not threatened by evolution or your beliefs. My faith is firm enough to stand up to anything you throw at me. And I don't have to resort to insults, swearing and mockery. It's interesting that you resort to these things maybe when you can't think of anything else? It seems like something someone would do when they feel backed into a corner. Why do you feel so threatened? What's the worse that could happen if you were to educate yourself a little more in this area? Even if you were to do that and still decide you choose not to believe the same as us (Christians), at least it would give you a better understanding of our beliefs and where we come from. Of course, it sounds like you just don't want to understand us. It's interesting you're all for gay rights and abortion rights because you think you're standing up for human rights, yet our rights don't matter and are trampled on. Christians are being pursecuted more and more these days. But then we were warned that it would happen. After all, our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ was persecuted. And he did say the world would get worse and worse (morally) before he returns. By the way, all the prophesies written thousands of years ago in the Bible have come about except a few left. How do you explain that? And they weren't just generalized prophesies.They were pretty specific.But then you wouldn't know that because you would never pick up a Bible either. I hope someday you will understand. I know you won't like me saying this but I'm praying for you. Take care.
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