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still a virgin at 45

hi

this is new for me.  but im hoping someone has some advice for me.  i dont know that  you will as i have never encountered this before myself, but im hoping someone might have something to say.

im seeing a man, he is 45 and still a virgin.  i am his first girlfriend  EVER.  first kiss, first everything.  (we havent had sex yet and its been 9 months).  i understand he is used to being alone, but he is so selfish.  i tell him all my deep dark secret wants and dreams and hopes and everything i feel for him, but he just either says thank you in the right spot or looks at me like im an alien from another planet.  he would rather go to a softball tourney than help me move. (my mom is 60 and in poor health and can hardly help me if at all.) when i tell him it feels nice to hold him all he says is thanks  i never get compliments, only backhanded sorta insults and he thinks this is a good compliment.  im not beautiful but im not ugly. im not skinny but im not fat either but the worst of it is, im not his type because im not a stupid super model.  i love him dearly but im fed up with his lack of concern for my feelings.  can any one help me?  any advice at all would be greatly appreciated.  thank you.
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I'm wondering if he has some other rooted problems.  You said it yourself, his relationship with his mom is not good nor has it ever been.

I'm not saying that makes it ok for him to act the way he does at 45, but maybe there really is an issue there that is not being dealt with.

I would suggest before you dump him cold to fully be honest with him.  Tell him everything you've told us, if you haven't already, and suggest counselling.  That can help aid the communication along.  You're probably right in the sense he doesn't know how to be a boyfriend.  Having said that, if you do all this and he shrugs it off - he clearly has other issues besides you and the relationship that may just be too large for you to tackle or want to tackle.

He probably won't change, but counselling can give couples tools on how to better handle situations and communication if you do want to give it a shot.  Hey, being a virgin at 45 I bet he is totally freaked out by sex.  If it were me I would be.  He doesn't know how to "do" anything - he's supposed to know everything by his age in the realm of sex - he's probably terrified, along with whatever other issues there are.  

If you decide the issues to are too big then yes move on.  But I would hate to judge and just say "loser" when he could in fact have some real issues that could be helped with some counselling if he's willing.  If he's not, then move on.
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Also if you do decide to have intercourse, use a condom. It doesn't matter if you 'think' he hasn't had contact with anyone. Prostitutes typically *don't* kiss, either. I found out my boyfriend had frequented strip clubs, oddly enough (I told you he was eccentric!) with his friends from work, who had taken him there. Otherwise he wouldn't have thought to go there. He started going on his own. Who knows if he had a BJ or something else before? Use a condom; it's always wise.

When you DO decide to have sex, you may have to do all the work at first. He may be overwhelmed, or seem to be. Or he may act like he sort of knows what to do, but I believe I could see through my boyfriend's soul, as though he had died, the first time we did 'the deed.' TMI yeah, well, I believe in my heart he *was* a virgin, but too ashamed to tell.

Also, my boyfriend said his last girlfriend could climax easily; yet, I've no idea how, when it seems he was so inexperienced. And now he says all the time how much 'experience' he has gained! I had always thought he was handsome and never pictured him as gay (I have a certain stereotype in my head; bad, I know!). I had thought he was on the effeminate side in some respects, but masculine in others. I was so intrigued with him and am still so fascinated with even his mannerisms and ways that he talks.

So, follow Barn Babe's advice and she's right; if you're ready to deal with helping him mature, go for it! What bothers me about MY situation is that my boyfriend talked about his ex-girlfriend (albeit from many years ago!) as though they had gone beyond the 'deed' and he and I have yet to do what he described!

I think some people are absent-minded and you have to tell them what you want out of the relationship; if you put them on a pedestal, they use you or take you for granted. Right now I'm looking into social events and in case my relationship falls through (I don't have enough love to keep us both together by myself, nor the power to do so), as my boyfriend has broken up with me before, due to minor reasons.

Well, yeah, good luck with that, and let us know how it turns/turned out!
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I concur wholeheartedly, 100% with you, Barn Babe. I believe it applies to my situation as well. Thank you for your post, if you are still reading this.
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In case you are still reading replies, just know I have known my boyfriend for a very looong time (over 10 years) and we were friends. He geeked out a lot and just didn't have time for women; he had cerebral pursuits ("brainaic") and is often described as 'eccentric.' But a heart of gold, it seemed - always helping others with difficult tasks (easy for him) and finally when we were both single, I asked him out. Took 9 months approx. just to get a kiss. I had to do the kissing. He was "too shy" he said later. Then I was also reading up on Asperger's Syndrome and you should MAYBE look into that. Aspies have a tendency to be single-focused on things. AS is a spectrum, so he may exhibit some or all traits. I don't care what anyone else's opinion is of my post but am just telling you this because IT HELPED ME understand him, and in turn, I didn't take things so personally anymore. When I saw how he viewed the world, it wasn't a personal affront. So, rather than rage on him, I was reeeeally suuuuper patient and when I saw my opp'y, I made my move! I planted one right on him! He'd never had a girlfriend, at least not for 20 years, and he's older than your boyfriend. I love him so much and he doesn't compliment me a LOT but *I* know from having known him before that he makes the effort. He just 'doesn't know how.' His other family members seem to be the same way, at least some of them. Eccentric. Sometimes really smart people aren't social, and we take it personally, because we are indeed social (we women, anyway).

So, I suggest looking into that. It could also be that he's pathological or has some degree of mental illness - perhaps depression or schizoid personality. I don't know. Armchair psychology isn't really my bag. But, I am telling you, when I give the benefit of the doubt regarding the Asperger's, I can relate much better to him, and not expect too much. Of course, it would be great if he had an *official* diagnosis. But, there are some who say AS doesn't really exist. It could be a slim chance; I'm not sure what percentage of the population has it. But, trust me, I love my boyfriend and I'm selfish; I want a future with him. I don't know if we have one or not. All I know is that *I'm* the only one who seemingly *understands* him, regardless of what he has.

As for the loner personalities, I am finding that I require some degree of social interaction. It can't be all from him. And I can't have outside interests when I'm worrying about "us." Therefore, I have other close friends who fill the gap, so I don't overwhelm my boyfriend, and have my own life outside of our relationship.

I love my boyfriend dearly and am too clingy right now to see the forest for the trees. My boyfriend is pedantic, bookish, and looks like a grown-up version of Harry Potter. He looks at least 10 years younger than he is. There are so many things I love about him, and yes, sometimes I wish he were more vocal. But, it ain't gonna happen. I'm not saying to put up with an abusive relationship that's one-sided, where he doesn't interact with you and ignores you. That could spell disaster.

I'm just saying to give the benefit of the doubt and also, trust your gut. If you feel he's not trustworthy, that's one thing. Also, I don't know your age, but just know that as a woman gets into her 40s, well, watch out! It's so easy to fall for someone, and to be attracted, and the whole nine yards. They say (and hopefully this isn't all preachy) to be careful for what you wish for, and not only that, but be choosy about whom you sleep with. It's just too *easy* to get attached to someone whom you think is "The One." That's because biologically, we are wired to exchange DNA :)

So, he may or may not be the greatest to you, but perhaps write down the pros and cons of the relationship, and what you hope to get out of it, and what can change, and what won't. See if you have similar goals, and if he talks about a future together. If you think it's worth sticking it out, make that decision. If not, put some distance between the two of you, and seek out other relationships, but be picky. You'll have a list, as stupid as that sounds, of what you want.

If you decide you can't live without him, then don't go back if it's an abusive relationship where you do all the work, and he takes you for granted. My advice: Be VERY DIRECT with him. Utter consequences, not necessarily ultimatums, but TELL him what YOU want. If he doesn't come through, there's your answer. Make sure he understands. Sometimes we women talk ABOUT the situation or complain, never just coming out with what's needed or expected.

Hope this helps and good luck!
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You can try so much to help people and give them advise they might listen to what we say but they will not do anything until they get hurt... To me this guy isn't all there but in her eyes she thinks he's great.. Hopefully she will wake up and smell the coffee...(LOL)
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Just trying to help the poor girl. I hope she uses some of our advice.
  
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Hey!
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I read your post  very good attitude right on the button. very smart too.
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Hi.  : )
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Look, you are obviously a very nice person, why would you 'settle" for this guy if you know he is not who you want emotionally. People get involved with people all the time thinking that they can change them. YOU CANNOT CHANGE PEOPLE!!!! They are who they are. You either accept them for who and what they are or you don't, it's that simple. I think you are underestimating your ability to find someone that suits you, and I am not sure why. Maybe you have a little insecurity about not being a "supermodel". I am by no means a supermodel (most women aren't). But, I certainly value all of the good qualities I posess and can give to someone, and I am very comfortable in my skin (although a little overwieght) but, I work on that daily. So, what I am saying is don't sell yourself short over this guy (who sounds like a loser to me) just because he will drive for an hour to pick you up. As for being a virgin, so what? Why would you want your first time to be with this guy who is not even emotionally attatched, might as well do it with a dildo. Probably would be more satisfying for you anyways than with someone who is not interested in you or your needs. Best of luck, I wish you well.    
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I still say the guy isn't worth it and to move on you will wake up one day knowing he's not worth it... Good luck in the future..
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"he is a good guy. he has a heart of gold. he would do anything for me."

Well, apparently he won't do anything for you. You are not getting the emotional support you need from him, and you are apparently not getting a healthy sexual relationship out of him. Those are two HUGE things, in my book.

The "heart of gold" sh*t that you are describing are qualities that many people have for a variety of reasons. They don't have much to do with him loving you. Many people simply have a background moral code they grew up with, so they know enough to "be nice" to people. Wanting to please people is common. You should not hold this guy up on a pedestal because he is willing to drive over an hour to see you and take you somewhere.  My women friends  also do stuff  like that for me. So did my former boss. All platonic relationships. And I did stuff like that for them. (Well, not the driving part, since I don't drive, but other favors.)  You are letting  stuff like this get in the way of your seeing the bigger picture here, which is that he doesn't seem capable of a deep emotional or sexual relationship you.  

At this point, whether he's gay, tranny, a mama's boy, emotionally stunted, or is walking around with a serious psychosis with pathological traits doesn't really matter. What matters is that this thing isn't happening FOR YOU.

"i dont honestly know if he is capable of ever having sex with anyone, including me or even the ho he told me about"

Doesn't matter at this point. You are not  getting what you want, and in fact you've been rebuffed in trying to get what you want, both sexually and in discovering that he is clueless about his remarks and behavior towards you, so attempting to figure out why  isn't productive.

I'm always surprised to see how folks  use stereotypical language to describe sex workers. You sound like an intelligent  woman - did you really mean to say "ho?"  

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ROTFLMFAO

YES he is a man, i have seen it and i have touched it and played with it.  we just haven't done oral sex or intercourse.  and yes, its real and it ejaculates as well. (not trying to be a smart arse, just covering all the bases and questions you might ask later!  lmao)

im not sure still if im going to continue this relationship or not, but i will say something here:

he is a good guy.  he has a heart of gold.  he would do anything for me.  i dont honestly know if he is capable of ever having sex with anyone, including me or even the ho he told me about.  he has a tough, often times weird exterior that is kind of hard to get thru but once i did get thru it, i found a diamond in the rough.  the only problem is making him see beyond himself.  i dont know if i can wait long enough to find out if he can see beyond himself.  i didnt see him last night as he had a game and i had to work late, but i stayed up most of the night analyzing everything, everything i told all of you and what  you offered to me (which i appreciate immensely!  thank you SO MUCH for all your input!) and im leaning towards ending it more than not.  he is good to me but i deserve someone that can see me and him not just himself.  
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My opinion the guy don't sound right and I think when you wake up you will relize he's no good.....
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oh my queensryche lol .my dh loves 80's long hair bands. its been nice not having to listen to the boneyard on xm radio lol. anyway, myself, sex is pretty darn important!! my dh has been gone for only a few months and im dying here! lol.  people dont always represent themselves honestly online anything. i have had some interesting stories regarding that. lol. i still say get out. i dont know your age, but i think you might be a bit younger than him? i dont feel its worth wasting time in a so so relationship
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yes, stereotypical.  his myspace page says it all.  yes ive been in this relationship long enuf that we should being doing more than playing touchy feely.  ive tried oral sex and he almost gave me whiplash to get me off him telling me he isnt ready.  that was only 2 months ago.  told me he wanted to have sex with some ho he knew a coupla years ago, willing to give it up to a skank but not someone that has true honest feelings for you?  niiiiiiiiice.  and to tell me he wanted to do her, that really falls into the "are you stupid or what?" category, for us both!  im thinking the answer is "or what" for me.  him?  cant know, not sure if i care at this point.  and you guys arent swaying my decision, just opening my eyes to what i already knew but was unwilling to admit to myself.  baseball, ebay and HIMSELF are the only concerns in his life.  at the beginning of the relationship he told me that if i wanted to end it, fine.  he wouldnt be hurt, just tell him before i cheat.  nice eh?  shoulda ran right then and there.  moron that i am, i believe in giving people a chance.  duh!

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does he live at home with his mom still? i dont want to knock people who use myspace, but really at 45? what is his purpose for that? if  a guy tells you he wont be hurt by you leaving, that means he doesnt care. my ex said that to me too. he said he didnt need me in his life and he would be fine if he died alone. he got his wish.
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no he doesnt live at home.  he wouldnt. couldnt.  he and his mom cant stand each other.  i think truly thats part of the problem.  he views women differently because of the way his mother has treated him for 45 years.  it started at birth and got increasingly more awful as time went on.  for some reason he is the hated child.  (second of 4) i dont know why she hates him, and i dont know that i will ever find out or care to find out.  he wasnt so mean as to say he didnt care if i was in his life, just that if i found someone else that i wanted to be with more, fine, tell him and hes gone.  he hugs me a  lot, back rubs, we are in each others heads alot, think the same things and say them at the same time, weird **** too.  but i guess that isnt enuf to continue with this relationship.  he makes me smile all the time tho.  im so tired of not being able to hold on to a relationship.  good thing i like being alone.  
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"i dont want to knock people who use myspace, but really at 45?"

LOL. Pertykitty, one of my women friends was telling me about how her recently divorced neighbor went on myspace - he's 51.  I don't know enough about myspace, but it does seem like something the younger folks do. For the older guys, there's something a little off-putting  about it. Don't know. Maybe it's like craigslist or something, has a built-in cruise factor? Yikes.

OP, every time you come on here and give us more information, it sounds worse and worse.

If you're having trouble with relationships lasting, maybe you can take some time and think about the kinds of guys you're picking out. Usually we all have patterns for what we are attracted to, and often what we're attracted to isn't emotionally healthy for us. Good luck to you.
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yeah im thinkin mebbe its time for me to be sans man and just find me.  i was alone for almost 6 months after my last ex dumped me for my best friend.  i liked being alone. .  then my girls wanted me to post a myspace so we could chat during the day with them home and me at work.  yeah yeah yeah, i should know better.  meeting someone online especially at myspace.  a little detail i neglected to tell ya'll.  im a myspace *****, yes.  lmfao  i have learned my lesson lemme just tell you!  kinda  like the idear of bein alone agin!  do what i want when i want.  and dont have to worry if someone is gonna get butthurt or if im gonna be the one getting hurt!  that sounds kinda nice to me!  thanks guys.  
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hey i met my husband doing online dating, weird i know but when you dont go to bars or such it can be hard to meet people as a single mom,  but myspace i take as a teen site lol i could be wrong!
op i think he is my ex lol. he was the first of 4 adopted kids. his mom was not quite right, had depression and treated the kids oddly. he resents her and i believe that to be why he never had a relationhship last or will ever. he wont let go of himself to risk hurt no matter how great it is.  if only there was a gadget that you could point at a man and it tell you if he is an abuser, idiot, or has a teeny weeny lol.
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lmfao    im not against online dating, i just should have known better for a 45 year old man to be on myspace (yeah, i have met some wonderful people on myspace for the band i like, queensryche, but thats all we talk about.  ) i did it for my kids to be able beg and plead to do things that they know good an well im going to say no to anyways!  lol    yes, i wish i had either a gadget or the foresight to know if someone is a dork, clod, moron, idiot, abuser, alcoholic, teeny weeny, thats funny!  lol  i almost ran for the hills when he first told me he was a virgin, im kinda wishin i had now.  save us both the headache and me the heartache.  ***sigh*** hindsight is always 20/20 no?  lol
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How long have you been dating this guy?  I  mean, have you had this relationship long enough that you would have expected to be having sex by now?  

Satan on a cross, he might also have some sexual hang-ups that he's ashamed of or uptight about as well. He doesn't sound like he's in a hurry to have sex with you. That's not about you - it's his deal.

I'd bail.
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yes yes i love the hair bands of the 80's!  only thing is, i feel awful at the concerts cuz everyone has gotten so darned old.  lmfao  

yes im quite a bit older than him.  10 years younger to be exact.  i matured earlier than i should have as i was married and had chidren at 18.  in fact, i had both girls before i was 20 years old.  i thought i was doing well in waiting till i was 17 to have sex!  i guess 45 shoulda been my goal !  lmfao  all kidding aside, i would love nothing more than to try to make this work with us.  we have so much in common.  we get along great for the most part, but the inconsideration and the lack of common sense has me in a twist almost every day.  and i shouldnt have to live like that.  and im sad about that cuz i really care for him and in his own f&*^ed up way i know he cares for me a great deal, but he wont change and i cant stay in a relationship like this.  not fair for me.
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