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Can you get rid of fiber glass insulation inhalation poisoning?
Hi,
I have experienced the same terrible thing with fiber glass as many others here and on other forums. It has changed my life completely from being a mid 30's sports active. Ever since a highly concentrated exposure to dry, brittle, fiber glass insulation some 5 months ago, only coughing has improved slightly by day time. Not at night. I still feel poisoned at all times and wake up feeling sick every single day. Constant and burning pain from the lungs (like sunburn), pain in the throat, hoarseness whenever if I talk more than a few seconds. Cannot sing anymore either. Feel fatigue, like i am super sensitive to all forms of fumes, dust etc. It itches and hurts inside. My lungs have lost all their power, is what it feels like.
Bronchoscopy, CT, X-ray, blood tests, spirometry have shown on nothing significant. I am starting to think the doctors don't believe in me anymore, at least so i was received in the beginning by general doctors, no doctor i met had heard about this kind of problems from fiber glass. The asthma medicine they gave to me makes some of the symptoms worse, like an increased sensation of the foreign objects stuck deep inside the lungs.
Up until this mishap I thought i was going to live a long life. Being in a constant state like this for months takes its toll on how you feel about the future.
All people should be aware of the dangers with using fiber glass insulation products. They may destroy your life if not used with proper caution. Always wear a breathing mask (P3 filter). I didn't. 5 minutes later my life was completely different, very likely forever at this rate of improvement.
Or has anyone ever got better from fiber glass insulation inhalation poisoning?
I have experienced the same terrible thing with fiber glass as many others here and on other forums. It has changed my life completely from being a mid 30's sports active. Ever since a highly concentrated exposure to dry, brittle, fiber glass insulation some 5 months ago, only coughing has improved slightly by day time. Not at night. I still feel poisoned at all times and wake up feeling sick every single day. Constant and burning pain from the lungs (like sunburn), pain in the throat, hoarseness whenever if I talk more than a few seconds. Cannot sing anymore either. Feel fatigue, like i am super sensitive to all forms of fumes, dust etc. It itches and hurts inside. My lungs have lost all their power, is what it feels like.
Bronchoscopy, CT, X-ray, blood tests, spirometry have shown on nothing significant. I am starting to think the doctors don't believe in me anymore, at least so i was received in the beginning by general doctors, no doctor i met had heard about this kind of problems from fiber glass. The asthma medicine they gave to me makes some of the symptoms worse, like an increased sensation of the foreign objects stuck deep inside the lungs.
Up until this mishap I thought i was going to live a long life. Being in a constant state like this for months takes its toll on how you feel about the future.
All people should be aware of the dangers with using fiber glass insulation products. They may destroy your life if not used with proper caution. Always wear a breathing mask (P3 filter). I didn't. 5 minutes later my life was completely different, very likely forever at this rate of improvement.
Or has anyone ever got better from fiber glass insulation inhalation poisoning?
I'm sorry to hear that you are also experiencing this as a result of fibreglass.
I was actually just searching the sites again and came across your and Nanonshealth's correspondence.
I'm 33. It's now been 2 years since my initial exposure from breathing in the insulation dust. Everything you are both saying is matching up with my experience as well with going from no symptoms to having symptoms after removing fibreglass from and old wall while I was working as a carpenter. I've had shooting pain as well as just a general burning/inflammation sensation in my upper lungs as well as the rest of my lungs and chest area and all the way down at my diaphragm. Nothing in my throat. Symptoms worsen and are activated/aggravated if I breathe other dusts, even wood dust when cutting lumber or plywood. Like you guys I've gone through tests and of course there is nothing that the Doctors can find. I was so confused up until recently and not sure if it was stress related/some sort of psychosomatic symptoms expressing themselves cause they have been pretty subtle symptoms but constant for me. Recently I have confirmed and have no more doubt that it is in fact the fibreglass.
A bit of hope for you... my sensations stopped almost completely about 1 year into it for about 6 weeks but unfortunately came back. then about 18 months into it same thing they lessened and then came back. Now I am experiencing minimal symptoms in my chest and lungs. Things had been feeling much better and I was able to focus on my life again with a clear head not bothered by symptoms (although they do come back if I breathe in dust)
I say had in the above paragraph because unfortunately/foolishly I've had a second exposure just at the end of May on the 27th. A little different though...
I worked on a carpentry crew for almost four years up until a year ago so have some solid construction experience. My old house needed some structural fixing above a three season portion of it and so I crawled under and jacked up the building and put in some new post and beams. The old owners had insulated the floor under in the crawl space with old fibreglass that was half falling out and all over the place under there. In my aversion/dislike for fibreglass insulation and thinking I was fine with my respirator on I made a bad choice and decided to clean it up out of the space cause there really was no use for it in the 3 season room anyway.
Of course I was wearing a respirator this time but was thinking that the only real threat was in regards to the lungs because it gets trapped in them. I was stuffing it in garbage bags and got a face full. I should have been wearing safety glasses but did not think it a serious threat to the eyes. I always wear safety glasses when using power tools and am super safety conscious but overlooked and did not realize the potential risks involved in this situation.
So I was having the same type of sensations as in my chest and lungs but around my eyes in the muscles, kind of a swollen/inflamed feeling. In the eyes it kind of feels like an eye infection but is not and has also at the onset felt like eye strain. It has shifted in the 3 weeks since the incident with less eye strain feeling but just a burning and irritation. I went to an optometrist and an ophthalmologist had my eyes irrigated and looked at 3 times and no one could see anything. The specialist/opthalmologist gave me antibiotic and anti-inflammatory eye drops and told me to come back in 2 weeks if nothing changes.
My eyes got super itchy and lots of guck in the mornings like with an eye infection, after that things have felt better and the headache/head pressure has gotten better as well thankfully. It's been a really psychological rollercoaster/super stressful with much fear and worry.
Even in the case of the eyes and being able to inspect the tissues with some high powered tools they were not able to see anything.
I never had a headache before from my first initial exposure but I have after getting it in my eyes. Not a nasty headache but more of a constant pressure.
This is so crazy, I had never heard anything like this about the risks of insulation. Even working construction nobody was that worried about it or concerned. There is a real problem here and people have no idea of the potential risks and it's no wonder this is the case when it's so elusive to the medical professionals.
I hope you find some of this helpful and I hope you have found a way to keep your head up and stay positive and not completely bogged down with fear and worry.
One thing that I think may be helping is about 6 months ago I started drinking wheatgrass. I bought a container of dehydrated powder and drink 1-2 tablespoon in a little bit of water 2 times a day. It seems to me that with cancer of the lungs/cancer in general it's the inflammation and free radicals that are created that cause the cancer. Wheatgrass is an amazing anti-inflammatory and dispels free radicals. I think perhaps it might be helpful for minimizing damages. That and any other anti-inflammatory/ anti-oxidant foods.
Nanonshealth if you read this I did respond to your email correspondence from last fall just 3 or 4 weeks back, sorry for the delay.
I'm grateful for this post and your discussion here, it's really answered some of my questions about what has been going on for me over the past couple of years and is nice in a way, (though very unfortunate) that there are other people out there who understand this experience.
All the best,
Andy
I was actually just searching the sites again and came across your and Nanonshealth's correspondence.
I'm 33. It's now been 2 years since my initial exposure from breathing in the insulation dust. Everything you are both saying is matching up with my experience as well with going from no symptoms to having symptoms after removing fibreglass from and old wall while I was working as a carpenter. I've had shooting pain as well as just a general burning/inflammation sensation in my upper lungs as well as the rest of my lungs and chest area and all the way down at my diaphragm. Nothing in my throat. Symptoms worsen and are activated/aggravated if I breathe other dusts, even wood dust when cutting lumber or plywood. Like you guys I've gone through tests and of course there is nothing that the Doctors can find. I was so confused up until recently and not sure if it was stress related/some sort of psychosomatic symptoms expressing themselves cause they have been pretty subtle symptoms but constant for me. Recently I have confirmed and have no more doubt that it is in fact the fibreglass.
A bit of hope for you... my sensations stopped almost completely about 1 year into it for about 6 weeks but unfortunately came back. then about 18 months into it same thing they lessened and then came back. Now I am experiencing minimal symptoms in my chest and lungs. Things had been feeling much better and I was able to focus on my life again with a clear head not bothered by symptoms (although they do come back if I breathe in dust)
I say had in the above paragraph because unfortunately/foolishly I've had a second exposure just at the end of May on the 27th. A little different though...
I worked on a carpentry crew for almost four years up until a year ago so have some solid construction experience. My old house needed some structural fixing above a three season portion of it and so I crawled under and jacked up the building and put in some new post and beams. The old owners had insulated the floor under in the crawl space with old fibreglass that was half falling out and all over the place under there. In my aversion/dislike for fibreglass insulation and thinking I was fine with my respirator on I made a bad choice and decided to clean it up out of the space cause there really was no use for it in the 3 season room anyway.
Of course I was wearing a respirator this time but was thinking that the only real threat was in regards to the lungs because it gets trapped in them. I was stuffing it in garbage bags and got a face full. I should have been wearing safety glasses but did not think it a serious threat to the eyes. I always wear safety glasses when using power tools and am super safety conscious but overlooked and did not realize the potential risks involved in this situation.
So I was having the same type of sensations as in my chest and lungs but around my eyes in the muscles, kind of a swollen/inflamed feeling. In the eyes it kind of feels like an eye infection but is not and has also at the onset felt like eye strain. It has shifted in the 3 weeks since the incident with less eye strain feeling but just a burning and irritation. I went to an optometrist and an ophthalmologist had my eyes irrigated and looked at 3 times and no one could see anything. The specialist/opthalmologist gave me antibiotic and anti-inflammatory eye drops and told me to come back in 2 weeks if nothing changes.
My eyes got super itchy and lots of guck in the mornings like with an eye infection, after that things have felt better and the headache/head pressure has gotten better as well thankfully. It's been a really psychological rollercoaster/super stressful with much fear and worry.
Even in the case of the eyes and being able to inspect the tissues with some high powered tools they were not able to see anything.
I never had a headache before from my first initial exposure but I have after getting it in my eyes. Not a nasty headache but more of a constant pressure.
This is so crazy, I had never heard anything like this about the risks of insulation. Even working construction nobody was that worried about it or concerned. There is a real problem here and people have no idea of the potential risks and it's no wonder this is the case when it's so elusive to the medical professionals.
I hope you find some of this helpful and I hope you have found a way to keep your head up and stay positive and not completely bogged down with fear and worry.
One thing that I think may be helping is about 6 months ago I started drinking wheatgrass. I bought a container of dehydrated powder and drink 1-2 tablespoon in a little bit of water 2 times a day. It seems to me that with cancer of the lungs/cancer in general it's the inflammation and free radicals that are created that cause the cancer. Wheatgrass is an amazing anti-inflammatory and dispels free radicals. I think perhaps it might be helpful for minimizing damages. That and any other anti-inflammatory/ anti-oxidant foods.
Nanonshealth if you read this I did respond to your email correspondence from last fall just 3 or 4 weeks back, sorry for the delay.
I'm grateful for this post and your discussion here, it's really answered some of my questions about what has been going on for me over the past couple of years and is nice in a way, (though very unfortunate) that there are other people out there who understand this experience.
All the best,
Andy
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Hello Andy!
Thanks for you post! I am sorry for taking so long to respond. I have read your posts on what happened on your initial exposure long before you replied here.
I am sorry that you have had a second exposure. Fiberglass exposure on the outside have to be less bad in the long run than in your lungs, but what do I know. Do you still have a lot of symptoms from that, any improvements?
Like you, I am super-sensitive to other dusts nowadays, and when I get a cold, it can last for weeks or even months on end. I think the body reacts to virus and when its gone the body keeps attacking the fiberglass, and this might be experienced as an extended cold, maybe something like that. Anyhow the body is on full alert to any form of dust.
Andy, how are your lungs now?
You already know I had a terrible exposure to fiberglass dust the fall of 2017. I had strands of fiberglass clogging up in my right lung in particular, hurting like hell all the time and making me feel sick at all times. The winter was horrible, but the warm summer made me have much less pain than before, albeit the difficulties to breath and discomfort didnt stop. Now fall is coming, temperatures are dropping and the pain is increasing by the day. Nothing seems to help. I use copd inhalations and pronaxen daily. I have tried a alcohoI and it works a little bit since it is stimulating the central nervous system. I am thinking only death can remedy this neverending internal torture. There has to be another way out.
Thanks for you post! I am sorry for taking so long to respond. I have read your posts on what happened on your initial exposure long before you replied here.
I am sorry that you have had a second exposure. Fiberglass exposure on the outside have to be less bad in the long run than in your lungs, but what do I know. Do you still have a lot of symptoms from that, any improvements?
Like you, I am super-sensitive to other dusts nowadays, and when I get a cold, it can last for weeks or even months on end. I think the body reacts to virus and when its gone the body keeps attacking the fiberglass, and this might be experienced as an extended cold, maybe something like that. Anyhow the body is on full alert to any form of dust.
Andy, how are your lungs now?
You already know I had a terrible exposure to fiberglass dust the fall of 2017. I had strands of fiberglass clogging up in my right lung in particular, hurting like hell all the time and making me feel sick at all times. The winter was horrible, but the warm summer made me have much less pain than before, albeit the difficulties to breath and discomfort didnt stop. Now fall is coming, temperatures are dropping and the pain is increasing by the day. Nothing seems to help. I use copd inhalations and pronaxen daily. I have tried a alcohoI and it works a little bit since it is stimulating the central nervous system. I am thinking only death can remedy this neverending internal torture. There has to be another way out.
Is there any fibrosis?
Have your lung volumes gome down?
Your dlco?
Has anyone offered a steroid treatment?
Have your lung volumes gome down?
Your dlco?
Has anyone offered a steroid treatment?
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Hi,
No fibrosis as per yet (recent CT scan).
Volume remains the same (recent spirometry).
dlco not measured recently.
No steroid treatment offered to me. I get naproxen pills and an inhalation "steam" containing tiotropium.
My fiberglass exposure was in October 2018. In late January 2018 I gave a cytology sputum test. All the while the doctors kept telling me there was nothing in my lungs. Now, mid June, the result just reached me, and now I understand why I feel so bad:
"Plentiful of inflammatory cells, preferably neutrophiles mixed with lymphocytes. Also threadlike precipitates all over the glass, even in accumulations. Those threads should represent fiber glass material or inorganic material. No atypic cells demonstrated.
Diagnosis: vigorously inflammation affected material, likely mixed with glass fibers without demonstrated malignity."
It's like having a permanent chemical pneumonia...
No fibrosis as per yet (recent CT scan).
Volume remains the same (recent spirometry).
dlco not measured recently.
No steroid treatment offered to me. I get naproxen pills and an inhalation "steam" containing tiotropium.
My fiberglass exposure was in October 2018. In late January 2018 I gave a cytology sputum test. All the while the doctors kept telling me there was nothing in my lungs. Now, mid June, the result just reached me, and now I understand why I feel so bad:
"Plentiful of inflammatory cells, preferably neutrophiles mixed with lymphocytes. Also threadlike precipitates all over the glass, even in accumulations. Those threads should represent fiber glass material or inorganic material. No atypic cells demonstrated.
Diagnosis: vigorously inflammation affected material, likely mixed with glass fibers without demonstrated malignity."
It's like having a permanent chemical pneumonia...
I would do pulse iv steroid treatment. See if it gives any relief and cuts inflammation.
Thanks. I haven't heard my physician mention IV at all, yet. I had cortisone course, that was it. Have you too had any kind of experience with fiberglass?
Noy breathing issues are cardiac and vascular. I was a nurse before I got sick. And backround in bio. I had to diagnose my own pe's and etc lol. I'd ask for pulse therapy to see if you can bring the inflammatory response down. Hopefully with that and macrophages it's will get significantly better!!!
Let me know what you think.
Let me know what you think.
Thanks for your posts. I really appreciate your thoughts and input.
Beside the general symptoms and long term effects that you have described, I have an acute problem that has been around since day one. I believe that what is one strand of fiberglass is stuck in the upper part of my right hand side lung. In the beginning it was like having a sharp needle inside, worst pain I could imagine because it just won't go away, altering in intensity in relation to how I positioned my body. The sensation was such that I could actually point at a spot on the chest from where it came. Nothing has ever changed about that except that I can't sense the exact location of it anymore. The spot has blurred. It hurts terribly still though, especially at night and makes me cough 24/7 from constant aching, itching, tickling and phlegm production. And it constantly feels like a fever will break out, coming from that area.
I have long since realized that the only way to get rid of this disabling piece of fiberglass is to remove a part of the lung where it is located. My brochoscopy did not resolve this problem so now I can see no way forward to a life (without pain and coughing) but surgery. Unfortunately I have to convince my doctors.
Are you still coughing non stop as I am, and would you have the same sensation of a single strand being stuck?
Beside the general symptoms and long term effects that you have described, I have an acute problem that has been around since day one. I believe that what is one strand of fiberglass is stuck in the upper part of my right hand side lung. In the beginning it was like having a sharp needle inside, worst pain I could imagine because it just won't go away, altering in intensity in relation to how I positioned my body. The sensation was such that I could actually point at a spot on the chest from where it came. Nothing has ever changed about that except that I can't sense the exact location of it anymore. The spot has blurred. It hurts terribly still though, especially at night and makes me cough 24/7 from constant aching, itching, tickling and phlegm production. And it constantly feels like a fever will break out, coming from that area.
I have long since realized that the only way to get rid of this disabling piece of fiberglass is to remove a part of the lung where it is located. My brochoscopy did not resolve this problem so now I can see no way forward to a life (without pain and coughing) but surgery. Unfortunately I have to convince my doctors.
Are you still coughing non stop as I am, and would you have the same sensation of a single strand being stuck?
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Hey Desktop, I feel immense sadness hearing about your situation with a particular area within your lung. I have also noticed areas in my chest that have given me specific areas of pain. I can't tell whether or not if these pain feelings have spread out more, or they are the same. It has started to become such a continuous daily occurrence that I can't remember the initial pain specifics as clearly as I once did, but the similarities to your symptoms in uncanny. I currently am experiencing a throat that feels tight and holds light pain of cutting inside, my breathing in my nostrils seems to have been compromised, my chest hurts often, feeling as though I have tiny knives/needles pricking and slicing my insides. The same can also be said for my intestines, which I believe I may have ingested some fibers to cause this. I fortunately do not cough, but I instead have a constant headache which never goes away. Like you, when I lay in certain positions the pain intensifies, sitting upright feels better at times.
What I am very uncertain about is whether or not the fibers will actually dissolve. Is there any way to have your bodily fluids become more acidic and erode the silicas/fiberglass? The more I read of newer articles, the more I fear the worst.
Also going to your blurred spot, I wonder why it's not specific anymore. Perhaps the macrophages are doing something or there is a plausibility of breakdown for it? Maybe the chemicals/cuts are causing irritation/inflammation and that's why it's become so blurry? I wish I could give you more information Desktop, seeing the responses are always a good thing.
What I am very uncertain about is whether or not the fibers will actually dissolve. Is there any way to have your bodily fluids become more acidic and erode the silicas/fiberglass? The more I read of newer articles, the more I fear the worst.
Also going to your blurred spot, I wonder why it's not specific anymore. Perhaps the macrophages are doing something or there is a plausibility of breakdown for it? Maybe the chemicals/cuts are causing irritation/inflammation and that's why it's become so blurry? I wish I could give you more information Desktop, seeing the responses are always a good thing.
Hi
I totally understand the complexity in your mix of symptoms and the shifting of them over time and in relations to your body positions. I couldn't have described that any other way myself.
I went to see my doctor yesterday and he had a hard time believing in that the knife sharp pain sensations I have throughout my lungs since he claims the lungs don't have any "pain fibers", whatever that may be. But the airways have, I believe he said. Maybe that is not contradictive. However I stood my ground asking what would cause the pain in that case and I know all others with this awful garbage would too. Maybe some of the sensations come from fibers penetrating the surrounding nerve dense "lung sack", beyond the alveoli? The doctor said it has a lot of pain nerves.
I am trying out another medication (for asthma and copd) and another new couple of weeks of cortisone. I doubt it will do much difference. Paracetamol and ibuprofen doesn't take away much of the pain at all. I have had to go for prescribed tramadol to kill it to be able to get some sleep. This is the only pill that will help on the pain and it gives me some relief momentarily. I never have more than prescribed, trying to keep the positive effect over time without any increase in dosage to avoid any risk of overdosing.
Going to the blurring/spreading of initial pain locations, I understand that you might have had it too? As you wrote it might have to do with a possible breakdown of fibers, in which I dearly hope, but more possible is that fibers are attacked by macrophages, as you proposed causing fibers to not appear as sharp to the surrounding tissue as before but still major sources of irritation and inflammation. The macrophages are probably up to an impossible task trying to devour inert fibers. They will inevitably die at some point, releasing the fiber and so the process goes on, forever? Like a ghost fishing net drifting uncontrollably in the sea, is what I imagine it will be. This theory might explain why I have had some periods where I sincerely believes things are getting a little better, just to discover they are not at all. Following a plunging into despair, lost of hope and thoughts of the worst.
If activating myself with anything physically I feel a whole lot worse and get bad cough attacks and way worse pain that often stays the rest of the day or more. Every physical activity comes with a bad hangover for me. And normal colds has had me knocked out with a feeling I am not going to make it.
I hope for that future medicin that can break down or dissolve fiberglass to be launched for us.
What medical diagnostics have you had? Was anything found out of the normal? Are you on any related medication? Any tips for me to try?
I totally understand the complexity in your mix of symptoms and the shifting of them over time and in relations to your body positions. I couldn't have described that any other way myself.
I went to see my doctor yesterday and he had a hard time believing in that the knife sharp pain sensations I have throughout my lungs since he claims the lungs don't have any "pain fibers", whatever that may be. But the airways have, I believe he said. Maybe that is not contradictive. However I stood my ground asking what would cause the pain in that case and I know all others with this awful garbage would too. Maybe some of the sensations come from fibers penetrating the surrounding nerve dense "lung sack", beyond the alveoli? The doctor said it has a lot of pain nerves.
I am trying out another medication (for asthma and copd) and another new couple of weeks of cortisone. I doubt it will do much difference. Paracetamol and ibuprofen doesn't take away much of the pain at all. I have had to go for prescribed tramadol to kill it to be able to get some sleep. This is the only pill that will help on the pain and it gives me some relief momentarily. I never have more than prescribed, trying to keep the positive effect over time without any increase in dosage to avoid any risk of overdosing.
Going to the blurring/spreading of initial pain locations, I understand that you might have had it too? As you wrote it might have to do with a possible breakdown of fibers, in which I dearly hope, but more possible is that fibers are attacked by macrophages, as you proposed causing fibers to not appear as sharp to the surrounding tissue as before but still major sources of irritation and inflammation. The macrophages are probably up to an impossible task trying to devour inert fibers. They will inevitably die at some point, releasing the fiber and so the process goes on, forever? Like a ghost fishing net drifting uncontrollably in the sea, is what I imagine it will be. This theory might explain why I have had some periods where I sincerely believes things are getting a little better, just to discover they are not at all. Following a plunging into despair, lost of hope and thoughts of the worst.
If activating myself with anything physically I feel a whole lot worse and get bad cough attacks and way worse pain that often stays the rest of the day or more. Every physical activity comes with a bad hangover for me. And normal colds has had me knocked out with a feeling I am not going to make it.
I hope for that future medicin that can break down or dissolve fiberglass to be launched for us.
What medical diagnostics have you had? Was anything found out of the normal? Are you on any related medication? Any tips for me to try?
Like you Desktop I have seen doctors and my pulmonologist, with xrays, PFTs, and blood tests - nothing comes back out of the ordinary. The medicines they give seem to do nothing, although you mention tramadal which I will note to bring up with my doctor later. I sincerely believe that like you, my doctors think I have lost it and it doesn't seem to help that not many people have had problems with fiberglass in society (or as it appears).
When you describe the macrophages trying, dying, trying dying, it really concerns me. Are these fibers inert, or bio soluble? Like we wrote above I am beginning to be more and more inclined that they are not and will remain and create cysts/scarring for the rest of my life. But I am curious, how many days will it take for the fibers of different sizes to dissolve? Do they dissolve everywhere inside the lung, or just in certain areas? Will my bronchial tubing and throat forever remain inflamed and agitated, or will the fibers dissolve there as well? I don't know if there are any medicines currently that could even help with this problem.
NAIMA are lobbyist dogs who should be burned to the ground for having a hand in muddying the waters of whether fiberglass truly is dissolvable in the lungs or not. I too cannot exercise anymore, cannot exert myself in a comfortable way, and can't speak without hoarseness running through my throat. I am actually thinking about attempting to detox with alternative medicine as at this point modern medicine has failed me. It's not something that I've ever believed in, but even trying different vitamins, capsules, and etc feels like it gives me some tiny sliver of hope - although this is more likely to be faux relief. I am going to try activated charcoal for my throat, I doubt it will do any good but I've got some coming soon to see if it will give me any relief. Did you read that large reply thread started by dogooder? What did you think about that?
When you describe the macrophages trying, dying, trying dying, it really concerns me. Are these fibers inert, or bio soluble? Like we wrote above I am beginning to be more and more inclined that they are not and will remain and create cysts/scarring for the rest of my life. But I am curious, how many days will it take for the fibers of different sizes to dissolve? Do they dissolve everywhere inside the lung, or just in certain areas? Will my bronchial tubing and throat forever remain inflamed and agitated, or will the fibers dissolve there as well? I don't know if there are any medicines currently that could even help with this problem.
NAIMA are lobbyist dogs who should be burned to the ground for having a hand in muddying the waters of whether fiberglass truly is dissolvable in the lungs or not. I too cannot exercise anymore, cannot exert myself in a comfortable way, and can't speak without hoarseness running through my throat. I am actually thinking about attempting to detox with alternative medicine as at this point modern medicine has failed me. It's not something that I've ever believed in, but even trying different vitamins, capsules, and etc feels like it gives me some tiny sliver of hope - although this is more likely to be faux relief. I am going to try activated charcoal for my throat, I doubt it will do any good but I've got some coming soon to see if it will give me any relief. Did you read that large reply thread started by dogooder? What did you think about that?
Hi, thanks again for your thoughts. I think it is very important that us affected people can meet like this and share stories. It makes us feel a little less lonely. I am just so sad to hear about you and all of these other people reporting on the same things. Everybody having tremendous problems, most likely for the rest of their lives.
I have read dogooder's thread. It is very telling and frightening. It makes me want to meet him in person.
Personally I would state that fiberglass is an inert product, more or less. When recycling it is supposed to be sorted as inert, meaning it will not chemically react to anything . It is designed to not rot or degrade from any elements of nature. Of course it can degrade but i doubt the possibility of dissolution. Under the right circumstances it can likely keep its properties for many decades. I have no believe at all in that it will dissolve in lung tissue or airways, at least not the fibers big enough to cause cough and other disabling symptoms.
I have not read up on NAIMA but i have no reason to believe they are fending for anyone but manufacturing corporations. They probably act like the advocates of the tobacco industry.
I am 100 % sure that fiberglass can cause cancer and all other terrible disease normally associated with asbestos. Fiberglass is worse because it disables people badly long before we eventually die from it, unlike asbestos. Some of the reports i have read that disputes this carcinogenic connection in animal experimentation are ridiculous. One is that planting fiberglass inside a lung s not a normal way of ingesting it. Another test say the connection is not reliable because the animals inhaled it directly in the mouth an not by the nose.
Now i have a tight nose since birth and i always breath mouth open. So it is very likely that i have inhaled it "the impossible way" according to cancer connection disputing reports. Probably that is also the reason for inhaling larger fibers than would be possible through the nostrils.
I think healthcare world wide are mislead by the muddy waters of the lobbyist organisations. Of the many doctors i have met, almost all of them has told me that there are no connection to cancer at all. Doctors speaking out like that is a true proof of the lobbyist agenda impregnating healthcare world wide.
I think that the entire medical community has unknowingly been corrupted by the lobby propaganda. And we have to suffer in agony without an end, and endure doctors with empty hands and puzzled minds.
I have read dogooder's thread. It is very telling and frightening. It makes me want to meet him in person.
Personally I would state that fiberglass is an inert product, more or less. When recycling it is supposed to be sorted as inert, meaning it will not chemically react to anything . It is designed to not rot or degrade from any elements of nature. Of course it can degrade but i doubt the possibility of dissolution. Under the right circumstances it can likely keep its properties for many decades. I have no believe at all in that it will dissolve in lung tissue or airways, at least not the fibers big enough to cause cough and other disabling symptoms.
I have not read up on NAIMA but i have no reason to believe they are fending for anyone but manufacturing corporations. They probably act like the advocates of the tobacco industry.
I am 100 % sure that fiberglass can cause cancer and all other terrible disease normally associated with asbestos. Fiberglass is worse because it disables people badly long before we eventually die from it, unlike asbestos. Some of the reports i have read that disputes this carcinogenic connection in animal experimentation are ridiculous. One is that planting fiberglass inside a lung s not a normal way of ingesting it. Another test say the connection is not reliable because the animals inhaled it directly in the mouth an not by the nose.
Now i have a tight nose since birth and i always breath mouth open. So it is very likely that i have inhaled it "the impossible way" according to cancer connection disputing reports. Probably that is also the reason for inhaling larger fibers than would be possible through the nostrils.
I think healthcare world wide are mislead by the muddy waters of the lobbyist organisations. Of the many doctors i have met, almost all of them has told me that there are no connection to cancer at all. Doctors speaking out like that is a true proof of the lobbyist agenda impregnating healthcare world wide.
I think that the entire medical community has unknowingly been corrupted by the lobby propaganda. And we have to suffer in agony without an end, and endure doctors with empty hands and puzzled minds.
Hi Desktop, sorry for the late reply. I didn't notice that you had responded underneath the arrow! I unfortunately am in agreement with you on inert, yet somehow still hold onto a faux belief that it will dissolve. I'm glad you responded though as like you said, it makes it feel a little less lonely and more comforting.
Your conclusion that it will cause cancer, I now am in growing belief that a lot of people who get cancers are also under fiberglass poisoning, they just can't really tell. I want to research more into this matter, on just how large of exposure the world and population are towards fiberglass, as I'm starting to believe it's why some/lots of people do develop cancer. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe it's not. There was an article about size and shape was more of a factor than the makeup of the object, and asbestos and fiberglass do have similarities. As if "Man Made" is anything to be relieved about.
That really is concerning to hear your breathing situation, I really wish I could offer more than words. I am having a hard time struggling day to day, and it's very debilitating, I'm sure you know exactly. And like you say, the doctors don't listen, tuning us out for long lasting safety verbage from the fiberglass industry, which mind you, is apparently a billion dollar one.
There was a very interesting term/symptom that the lung does which I unfortunately can't remember. If I can refind it on Google I will post what the defined term was. It was about the lung sealing off foreign entities inside if it couldn't break down the object, which makes it even more worrying because of how large some of the fibers are in our bodies. I really wish I could give you the official name for it.
Also, do you know if there is any way to scrape the fibers out of the throat? I am honestly suffering a lot in the sore throat and it's causing life quality to also go down. I mean at this point I am naively considering jamming a toothbrush down there and scraping everything. I doubt it would do much, as the glass fibers love to snag themselves, but I was hoping maybe I could get them out somehow. What worries me greatly is that the body may have even healed over the affected areas with fibers, so that now there is tissue that covers over the fibers anyway. That would mean there is no way for the body to get rid of the fibers then? It just scarred/healed over them to try and get rid of the problem? At this point I am willing to try anything to get this crap out.
As a minor addon on what you said about the medical industry having the wool pulled over their eyes, I have noticed it's also the scientific community who also spouts this at times. If you have the time I recommend reading the blog from FiberglassAwareness because it goes over a recollection of someone elses story as well. It's baffling that this is somehow considered safe for our populations. Stay strong Desktop.
Your conclusion that it will cause cancer, I now am in growing belief that a lot of people who get cancers are also under fiberglass poisoning, they just can't really tell. I want to research more into this matter, on just how large of exposure the world and population are towards fiberglass, as I'm starting to believe it's why some/lots of people do develop cancer. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe it's not. There was an article about size and shape was more of a factor than the makeup of the object, and asbestos and fiberglass do have similarities. As if "Man Made" is anything to be relieved about.
That really is concerning to hear your breathing situation, I really wish I could offer more than words. I am having a hard time struggling day to day, and it's very debilitating, I'm sure you know exactly. And like you say, the doctors don't listen, tuning us out for long lasting safety verbage from the fiberglass industry, which mind you, is apparently a billion dollar one.
There was a very interesting term/symptom that the lung does which I unfortunately can't remember. If I can refind it on Google I will post what the defined term was. It was about the lung sealing off foreign entities inside if it couldn't break down the object, which makes it even more worrying because of how large some of the fibers are in our bodies. I really wish I could give you the official name for it.
Also, do you know if there is any way to scrape the fibers out of the throat? I am honestly suffering a lot in the sore throat and it's causing life quality to also go down. I mean at this point I am naively considering jamming a toothbrush down there and scraping everything. I doubt it would do much, as the glass fibers love to snag themselves, but I was hoping maybe I could get them out somehow. What worries me greatly is that the body may have even healed over the affected areas with fibers, so that now there is tissue that covers over the fibers anyway. That would mean there is no way for the body to get rid of the fibers then? It just scarred/healed over them to try and get rid of the problem? At this point I am willing to try anything to get this crap out.
As a minor addon on what you said about the medical industry having the wool pulled over their eyes, I have noticed it's also the scientific community who also spouts this at times. If you have the time I recommend reading the blog from FiberglassAwareness because it goes over a recollection of someone elses story as well. It's baffling that this is somehow considered safe for our populations. Stay strong Desktop.
Hi NanonsHealth,
Sorry for being idle for so long. I have had a rough time with the lungs, harder to breath freely and a lot more pain. I think i have had some kind of cold on top making it all worse. As always, thanks for your posts! I hope you are doing better, but i do not expect that. For me there is no improvement at all, rather the opposite.
On your idea to scrape out the fiberglass, I sincerely believe that objects stuck deep inside the lungs are projected as pain in the upper throat. I have a clear connection myself to this symptoms. Having objects stuck down my right lung causing great discomfort at all times, also making me cough in vain (because the fibers never come up) producing nothing but yellow phlegm is always coinciding with a pain that comes from the right hand side of the throat going the way down to this area of the lung. My theory is that throat pain is probably a sensational projection from the objects (viruses when having a cold and or glass fibers) that the lungs are dealing with. That could also explain why i have so much more throat pain when I am physically active like walking or just moving around. If keeping still the throat pain often feels lees bad. If i would miss out my COPD medication the problems get similar, the air tubes getting narrower and the itching, pain, coughing and phlegm production go up dramatically, as well as throat pain. What i am trying to say is that scraping down the throat would probably not resolve it for us. But if i am wrong I'd be very happy to know!
By the way, do you know what happened to DoGooder24, he still around? Seems very quiet on his blogs?
As for now, there is not much hope for me I think, seven months into this nightmare. I just can't comprehend that this one-time exposure will actually kill me for real, in one way or another. Because since exposure I have stopped working out and started eating gaining 33 lbs (15 kg) in 6 months, a healthy lifestyle is no longer possible to maintain. Like eating would solve anything but is the only thing that makes me feel any good for a second. I cannot drink alcohol at all because it makes the lungs go really bad with itching and pain (alcohol makes the blood vessels expand and that's obviously a bad thing around fiberglass fibers deep down the lungs). I have to eat opioids to kill the pain. Right now i think I am helping the fiberglass to finish me off with these kind of more or less involuntary bad habits. My doctor says that there is nothing that indicates that the fibers will lead to cancer other dangerous diseases! Alright, is that so, really? The lung doctors I have met seem to be helplessly unable to see the bigger picture on what is happening to the entire body after a vital part goes bad. Replacing my lungs is what i would need to get any quality back in my life.
In the middle of the misery I want to tell you a short thing about the power of belief in improvement. One night a few weeks back i was coughing badly and all of a sudden it felt like the worst fibers came up in a final hack. It was all of a sudden perfectly clear in the tubes. And I didn't cough anymore that night at all. I had some pain left but the cough was gone, meaning the cause for the cough was also gone. I remember thinking that it would not be possible that THAT had happened, but as the night passed and the following morning also I felt better than ever and tremendously happy. At a point i thought that, seriously, i am well again, this cannot be true but i am actually feeling OK! I was walking on clouds for a morning with the biggest smile i have ever had since before the exposure. But before lunch time it had all started over again and I was taunting myself for thinking it had really gone away. I was feeling heartbroken. It was a lovely night and morning but such is the power and longing to get well, obviously. Since that night i have not had that experience again.
I wonder how many people will have to share our destiny before taken seriously by politicians, doctors and the industry? For comparison, mass-shooting after mass-shooting in the US will never impact on gun control because of the NRA, doesn't even matter that tens of thousands are killed by gun violence in the US alone every year. The fiberglass industry is probably just a great a lobbyist as the NRA. So I will die without any contribution to public safety from fiberglass. NanonsHealth, I am sure they will find another cause for my passing, like cardio related failures from excessive eating, if go "naturally".
Anybody who reads this, please always protect yourself using at least a P3 class filter mask when dealing with fiberglass insulation. Never ever fail to wear proper breathing protection! One brief single occasion of unprotected exposure could easily destroy your life. That's what has happened to me and to many others in this forum and elsewhere in the world.
Sorry for being idle for so long. I have had a rough time with the lungs, harder to breath freely and a lot more pain. I think i have had some kind of cold on top making it all worse. As always, thanks for your posts! I hope you are doing better, but i do not expect that. For me there is no improvement at all, rather the opposite.
On your idea to scrape out the fiberglass, I sincerely believe that objects stuck deep inside the lungs are projected as pain in the upper throat. I have a clear connection myself to this symptoms. Having objects stuck down my right lung causing great discomfort at all times, also making me cough in vain (because the fibers never come up) producing nothing but yellow phlegm is always coinciding with a pain that comes from the right hand side of the throat going the way down to this area of the lung. My theory is that throat pain is probably a sensational projection from the objects (viruses when having a cold and or glass fibers) that the lungs are dealing with. That could also explain why i have so much more throat pain when I am physically active like walking or just moving around. If keeping still the throat pain often feels lees bad. If i would miss out my COPD medication the problems get similar, the air tubes getting narrower and the itching, pain, coughing and phlegm production go up dramatically, as well as throat pain. What i am trying to say is that scraping down the throat would probably not resolve it for us. But if i am wrong I'd be very happy to know!
By the way, do you know what happened to DoGooder24, he still around? Seems very quiet on his blogs?
As for now, there is not much hope for me I think, seven months into this nightmare. I just can't comprehend that this one-time exposure will actually kill me for real, in one way or another. Because since exposure I have stopped working out and started eating gaining 33 lbs (15 kg) in 6 months, a healthy lifestyle is no longer possible to maintain. Like eating would solve anything but is the only thing that makes me feel any good for a second. I cannot drink alcohol at all because it makes the lungs go really bad with itching and pain (alcohol makes the blood vessels expand and that's obviously a bad thing around fiberglass fibers deep down the lungs). I have to eat opioids to kill the pain. Right now i think I am helping the fiberglass to finish me off with these kind of more or less involuntary bad habits. My doctor says that there is nothing that indicates that the fibers will lead to cancer other dangerous diseases! Alright, is that so, really? The lung doctors I have met seem to be helplessly unable to see the bigger picture on what is happening to the entire body after a vital part goes bad. Replacing my lungs is what i would need to get any quality back in my life.
In the middle of the misery I want to tell you a short thing about the power of belief in improvement. One night a few weeks back i was coughing badly and all of a sudden it felt like the worst fibers came up in a final hack. It was all of a sudden perfectly clear in the tubes. And I didn't cough anymore that night at all. I had some pain left but the cough was gone, meaning the cause for the cough was also gone. I remember thinking that it would not be possible that THAT had happened, but as the night passed and the following morning also I felt better than ever and tremendously happy. At a point i thought that, seriously, i am well again, this cannot be true but i am actually feeling OK! I was walking on clouds for a morning with the biggest smile i have ever had since before the exposure. But before lunch time it had all started over again and I was taunting myself for thinking it had really gone away. I was feeling heartbroken. It was a lovely night and morning but such is the power and longing to get well, obviously. Since that night i have not had that experience again.
I wonder how many people will have to share our destiny before taken seriously by politicians, doctors and the industry? For comparison, mass-shooting after mass-shooting in the US will never impact on gun control because of the NRA, doesn't even matter that tens of thousands are killed by gun violence in the US alone every year. The fiberglass industry is probably just a great a lobbyist as the NRA. So I will die without any contribution to public safety from fiberglass. NanonsHealth, I am sure they will find another cause for my passing, like cardio related failures from excessive eating, if go "naturally".
Anybody who reads this, please always protect yourself using at least a P3 class filter mask when dealing with fiberglass insulation. Never ever fail to wear proper breathing protection! One brief single occasion of unprotected exposure could easily destroy your life. That's what has happened to me and to many others in this forum and elsewhere in the world.
It is relieving to hear from you again Desktop, I am surrounded by individuals who doubt as to what has unfolded. Your theory on the pain in the throat relaying from the lungs is very captivating to me. It undoubtedly makes me sad to hear such a theory but it's something that has now broadened my scope of understanding to how the body deals with pain. Whether or not this is the case I do not know, but I will still naively hope that perhaps the fiberglass is just caught in the larynx/thyroid area.
DoGooder posted a couple months ago, so I believe he's still around. Unfortunately it seems as though we're the only ones who keep coming back. DoGooder is one of the ones from a while back who posted about fiberglass. It seems as though he's gotten a very bad hand in dealing with fiberglass and is still putting up with his symptoms years later. It troubles me though because many people who have posted here about fiberglass have stopped posting and/or went off the radar completely. I hope we don't lose our means of communication someday, so with that said my actual nick is NanonHealth, instead of NanonsHealth. Small but substantial difference in case of you needing it in the future somewhere else.
Like you state about working out, I myself used to be quite active and into fitness. I sort of treat the pain like a game now, attempting to bear and grit past it while attempting exercise. Some days I can do it, many I just can't and either give up or can finish a walk. I also don't blame you for eating, I'd succumb to using food for enjoyment too however for some reason I have lost most of my taste. It is the oddest thing but food doesn't taste like much anymore. I have no idea why this is.
As for the medical professionals, bah. The doctors here look at me like I'm a maniac half the time. My pulmonologist having both a hard head and a narrow mind. I suppose that's what happens when the lobbying and propaganda from these corporations comes into play, but we're stuck in a world where 90% of all households utilize fiberglass (*US). Luckily my PCP is somewhat reciprocating about the plausibility, but he ultimately can't do much to fix my issues. Opiods are currently being attacked and the government is on the warpath about them over here, so unfortunately I can't use them. I still have muscle relaxers, anti inflammations, and a special oil that helps with pain so I guess it's not all bad. I do still envy you though, even though neither of us wishes to have a life of popping pills.
When you talk about replacing your lungs I can only hope that we can bide our time until lung replacement alternatives come to fruition. What has me nervous on lung transplants is that individuals who receive them live between 1-20 years, many passing on more near the smaller timeframes. If we can last until artificial lungs, stem cell replacement organs, or surgery and medicine get to the point of 20-40 years it'll be a miracle. It's the only thing I hope for in terms of this predicament, even if it's futile due to science advancement projections. It's at least interesting to read about if there is no hope for the future. Your story about the will to feel better is good food for thought. It made me reflect on the possibility if any of my pain could be psychosomatic or could be pushed back with healthy, positive thinking. Either way I wish you more days of good health.
I touched on lobbyists and the fiberglass industry above, but I just want to reiterate that I am going to look into ways to fight against this horsecrap. A couple months ago I talked with the writer on FiberglassAwareness and it made me realize that maybe I can do something more. Even now while we write on this forum, it is creating a ripple to those who view it. Screw these corporations, damn these soulless suits - I am going to look into doing more, however large or small that may be (Not to be a bleeding heart or anything, heh). Maybe I'll make a website too and talk about the dangers for all of two traffic clicks, who knows.
It's always a pleasure to hear from you Desktop, don't worry about responding "late" as it's not a bother. I'm just glad to keep in contact with someone who knows exactly what I'm going through.
DoGooder posted a couple months ago, so I believe he's still around. Unfortunately it seems as though we're the only ones who keep coming back. DoGooder is one of the ones from a while back who posted about fiberglass. It seems as though he's gotten a very bad hand in dealing with fiberglass and is still putting up with his symptoms years later. It troubles me though because many people who have posted here about fiberglass have stopped posting and/or went off the radar completely. I hope we don't lose our means of communication someday, so with that said my actual nick is NanonHealth, instead of NanonsHealth. Small but substantial difference in case of you needing it in the future somewhere else.
Like you state about working out, I myself used to be quite active and into fitness. I sort of treat the pain like a game now, attempting to bear and grit past it while attempting exercise. Some days I can do it, many I just can't and either give up or can finish a walk. I also don't blame you for eating, I'd succumb to using food for enjoyment too however for some reason I have lost most of my taste. It is the oddest thing but food doesn't taste like much anymore. I have no idea why this is.
As for the medical professionals, bah. The doctors here look at me like I'm a maniac half the time. My pulmonologist having both a hard head and a narrow mind. I suppose that's what happens when the lobbying and propaganda from these corporations comes into play, but we're stuck in a world where 90% of all households utilize fiberglass (*US). Luckily my PCP is somewhat reciprocating about the plausibility, but he ultimately can't do much to fix my issues. Opiods are currently being attacked and the government is on the warpath about them over here, so unfortunately I can't use them. I still have muscle relaxers, anti inflammations, and a special oil that helps with pain so I guess it's not all bad. I do still envy you though, even though neither of us wishes to have a life of popping pills.
When you talk about replacing your lungs I can only hope that we can bide our time until lung replacement alternatives come to fruition. What has me nervous on lung transplants is that individuals who receive them live between 1-20 years, many passing on more near the smaller timeframes. If we can last until artificial lungs, stem cell replacement organs, or surgery and medicine get to the point of 20-40 years it'll be a miracle. It's the only thing I hope for in terms of this predicament, even if it's futile due to science advancement projections. It's at least interesting to read about if there is no hope for the future. Your story about the will to feel better is good food for thought. It made me reflect on the possibility if any of my pain could be psychosomatic or could be pushed back with healthy, positive thinking. Either way I wish you more days of good health.
I touched on lobbyists and the fiberglass industry above, but I just want to reiterate that I am going to look into ways to fight against this horsecrap. A couple months ago I talked with the writer on FiberglassAwareness and it made me realize that maybe I can do something more. Even now while we write on this forum, it is creating a ripple to those who view it. Screw these corporations, damn these soulless suits - I am going to look into doing more, however large or small that may be (Not to be a bleeding heart or anything, heh). Maybe I'll make a website too and talk about the dangers for all of two traffic clicks, who knows.
It's always a pleasure to hear from you Desktop, don't worry about responding "late" as it's not a bother. I'm just glad to keep in contact with someone who knows exactly what I'm going through.
I am in the same boat you are Desktop. I was exposed to fiberglass and now my life is in complete ruin. I do not know any of the answers, except that there are apparently no tests that can confirm I was poisoned by fiberglass. It is ridiculous that we have this garbage in residential homes. I am having a multitude of health problems and fear the worst, I am going to live a very short life due to lung problems. If I may ask, how old are you?
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Hi! Sorry to hear that you too have had your life destroyed. I'm 37. You?
27.Are your lung pains as if it's often a burning sensation on the left and right side? Do you feel tiny knife like cuts in your chest? That's what i feel in the chest, alongside a sore and tight throat, constant burning headache, fatigue, and a myriad of other symptoms.
Unfortunately I recognize all those symptoms. Headache has become better. But that's it. How long since your exposure and what happened?
Working with fiberglass without mask, didn't know it was this dangerous. Proceeded to spend hours, now am probably in for a world of hurt for the rest of my life. This was 3-4 months ago. I've pretty much read every article, forum thread, and post about fiberglass and it doesn't seem good. People say it dissolves but they're a minority, and are outweighed by people saying it's a serious problem.
Sorry to hear that. Try to keep your head up! Statistics may be on our side.
I have read up on fiber glass dissolution through several research reports and as you write that is not much to put trust in.
The conclusions I draw might be wrong but is that only some of the fibers, right in length, diameter, of amorphous kind (not crystalline), and of the right biodegradable type are possible to dissolve. Chemical composition, fiber structure and dimension are critical to the rate of dissolution. For what I have read fibers more easily dissolves in the phlegm found in the bronchus because of that the pH is different there from inside the alveoli. Asbestos is a crystalline natural fiber widely recognized to cause cancer. Being man made, some of the fiberglass fibers are crystalline too, and disputed (by manufacturers) animal experimentations indicate fiberglass have the same properties, causing tumours. Fiberglass insulation is often made up by a mix of amorphous and crystalline fibers.
Still, let's hope that we all get better given some years to heal. Even if we suffer I hope that the sensation is worse than the risk of fatal decease. Remember, much of the world use fiberglass for insulation. Many people suffer the way we do but there is no known public cancer epidemic. The manufacturers, of course, do anything to downplay risks. I would like to read statistics on deaths related to fiberglass. But I am not sure there are any?
I have read up on fiber glass dissolution through several research reports and as you write that is not much to put trust in.
The conclusions I draw might be wrong but is that only some of the fibers, right in length, diameter, of amorphous kind (not crystalline), and of the right biodegradable type are possible to dissolve. Chemical composition, fiber structure and dimension are critical to the rate of dissolution. For what I have read fibers more easily dissolves in the phlegm found in the bronchus because of that the pH is different there from inside the alveoli. Asbestos is a crystalline natural fiber widely recognized to cause cancer. Being man made, some of the fiberglass fibers are crystalline too, and disputed (by manufacturers) animal experimentations indicate fiberglass have the same properties, causing tumours. Fiberglass insulation is often made up by a mix of amorphous and crystalline fibers.
Still, let's hope that we all get better given some years to heal. Even if we suffer I hope that the sensation is worse than the risk of fatal decease. Remember, much of the world use fiberglass for insulation. Many people suffer the way we do but there is no known public cancer epidemic. The manufacturers, of course, do anything to downplay risks. I would like to read statistics on deaths related to fiberglass. But I am not sure there are any?
Hey Desktop, I wish I could be as optimistic as you are, things just seem really bleak at the moment. I don't know of any statistics on relation to fiberglass exposure and death, although I am quite certain fiberglass is creating IPF and the like for many people around the world.
I also read many of the controlled studies and things just don't seem to pan out. Especially since it depends on the type of fiberglass utilized. R6, etc, I guess it depends on what levels and what kind of binders were used.
I also read many of the controlled studies and things just don't seem to pan out. Especially since it depends on the type of fiberglass utilized. R6, etc, I guess it depends on what levels and what kind of binders were used.
Hi, sorry for the delay. No nice news to hear it won't pan out, and i totally believe it. I have had a really ****** week, seems as bad as the day it happened.
Are the binders an important part?
Could you please link to some/any of these studies? I haven't seen those and would like to show them to my doctor.
I guess there are a lot of people out there suffering as we do. There should be an organization for fiberglass injured people...
I would like to keep contact with you if it's OK?
Are the binders an important part?
Could you please link to some/any of these studies? I haven't seen those and would like to show them to my doctor.
I guess there are a lot of people out there suffering as we do. There should be an organization for fiberglass injured people...
I would like to keep contact with you if it's OK?
Hey Desktop, the chemicals used in Fiberglass are often binders such as styrene or formaldehyde. These chemical agents are utilized in the fiberglass creation process to make it so the glass fibers are strengthened to resist heat at higher temperatures. Formaldehyde and Styrene (I believe) are on the list of carcinogenics to the body, which can inevitably cause cancer. As for how much of these chemicals are actually causing damage to our bodies right now because of the fiberglass? I don't know, I wouldn't be able to come to an answer. I just know that it's interesting for what illnesses and symptoms might be incurred along the way.
As like you I have looked at the dissolve studies done in the 90s-00s and noticed they say that the fibers dissolve over a period of time. I might be inclined to believe that glass fibers somehow would disintegrate, break down, and dissolve over time in the body, if not for two things:
1) The studies done in the 90s-00s were largely performed by lobbyist and insulation companies. Like you I have a hard time believing that there was no bias in conducting these tests.
2) Formaldehyde/Styrene/Chemical binding agents are used to strengthen the fiberglass, which makes it seem that your body doesn't just have to break down the glass.
I really can't say for sure whether or not binders play a large part in the damage being done to us, I just know that these are carcinogenics at minimal doses, and I have been feeling some of the symptoms listed off of both of these chemicals after my exposure. They are/were commonly found in fiberglass as well, even though a few companies started the process of trying to fade out formaldehyde binding usage in their products in 2015. I linked a couple of articles below talking about the dangers of these chemicals at low dosage. If it's any consultation I believe the chemicals eventually do leave our bodies.
Also definitely yes, there should be some type of organization or group that people could rally behind, I really wish I had known of the dangers beforehand, it might have saved a world of trouble. I would love to keep in contact some way, what would you prefer?
https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/phs/phs.asp?id=419&tid=74
https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/substances/formaldehyde/formaldehyde-fact-sheet
As like you I have looked at the dissolve studies done in the 90s-00s and noticed they say that the fibers dissolve over a period of time. I might be inclined to believe that glass fibers somehow would disintegrate, break down, and dissolve over time in the body, if not for two things:
1) The studies done in the 90s-00s were largely performed by lobbyist and insulation companies. Like you I have a hard time believing that there was no bias in conducting these tests.
2) Formaldehyde/Styrene/Chemical binding agents are used to strengthen the fiberglass, which makes it seem that your body doesn't just have to break down the glass.
I really can't say for sure whether or not binders play a large part in the damage being done to us, I just know that these are carcinogenics at minimal doses, and I have been feeling some of the symptoms listed off of both of these chemicals after my exposure. They are/were commonly found in fiberglass as well, even though a few companies started the process of trying to fade out formaldehyde binding usage in their products in 2015. I linked a couple of articles below talking about the dangers of these chemicals at low dosage. If it's any consultation I believe the chemicals eventually do leave our bodies.
Also definitely yes, there should be some type of organization or group that people could rally behind, I really wish I had known of the dangers beforehand, it might have saved a world of trouble. I would love to keep in contact some way, what would you prefer?
https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/phs/phs.asp?id=419&tid=74
https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/substances/formaldehyde/formaldehyde-fact-sheet
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