I too have experienced leg swelling and elimination of nightime bathroom visits due to using CPAP for sleep apnea. I am a physician with a background in physics and it makes perfect sense to me. CPAP increases intrathoracic pressure which, in turn, will increase veinous pressure which will tend to push fluid from the intravascular space into the extra vascular space (i.e. edema). It’s surprising that there is not more about this in the medical literature.
I also have swelling of the feet and ankles using cpap. Im not overweight, no other health problems, no medications, no heart problems and no swelling before I used the cpap machine. I will be taking this up with my sleep therapist on my next visit as I am tired of my legs feeling tight. I work a lot of hours on my feet and have for the last 10 years but only started suffering swelling 2 weeks after using my cpap machine. A good excuse for a foot spa as I have no other health problems whatsoever. This problem is DEFINATELY linked to cpap therapy and I intend to find out why
Hi! I've been using my cpap for about a month now, and sure enough....swelling of feet and ankles and fingers. I've done some reading about it and I'm wondering if there is not a connection to build-up of C02 in the body. My positive pressure goes very high when I fall asleep (my machine goes up to 20 and adjusts per need.) I think I'm probably at a 20 all night long, which would make it difficult to exhale properly, I would think. Therefore, it would stand to reason that C02 is not being expelled efficiently. I've heard certain blood types are more sensitive to this. Would you happen to know your blood type? Positive or negative?
I too have had the same issue with swelling as soon as I started CPAP. Not one professional will agree with me that the swelling is due to the CPAP, but I am certain of it. My feet and ankles swell everyday now and I have had a defribrilator/pacemaker for two years prior to the CPAP. I'm certain that I need some sort of meds adjustment. No one has ever confirmed for me why I have a heart problem but at the sleep centre the literature said the 59% of people diagnosed with sleep apnea have a pacemaker. There is definitely a correlation between sleep apnea and heart disease. I dont understand why all the professionals are so resistant that the swelling is related to the CPAP. I feel like the CPAP is correcting something that was wrong before and the meds need to be tweeked to adjust to that. I'm sorry to hear about everyone's problems because I dont wish ill on anyone but it is a relief to know Im not a nut like the professionals are making me feel when I discuss this issue. Best to all!
I have also been having a major problem with swelling. It is severe and painful in my hands and feet especially. I run my hands under water and massage my hands every morning. After this, it is still hard to hold a brush or open things with my hands. It's painful to even try to make a fist. I have been mentioning it to my doctors for a year. I just brought this up to my sleep clinic doctor who told me to go off CPAP for five days. He said that he has only heard of this happening with one other person, but they were very vague about it. (I had brought lots of pictures of my swollen hands. Some mornings my fingers are so swollen it nearly feels like my skin is going to split open.)
Well, last night I went without it for the first time in just under two years. The positive difference is amazing. I was able to make a fist easily with just a little stiffness. I now realize that the rest of my body feels so much better as well. My face is its normal size as well. I really didn't anticipate any change. Hopefully now, someone will be able to figure something out!
Finding this thread lets me know that, while this might be rare, it certainly exists!
Several months ago I was on 40mg of furosemide and started getting edema in my feet and legs again... They doubled to 80mg and it still is bad after a month. It's getting worse.
I tried to think of what I was doing different for this to happen. I couldn't think of anything..Diet, salt etc but then it dawned on me that it started right when I started using my CPAP. I being the curious self medicating Physician I did some research. Could this be? Could my CPAP cause this? Believe it or not... YES!
I could have written your original post! Also Sadies too! I asked my Sleep Clinic people at the VA and they were totally ignorant... I mentioned it to my liver transplant Physician he said " You know you might be right! It could be because of "PEEPS"! I smiled and he went off as he thought aloud with Dr speak that was a bit over my head... But I said Yes! I found something on the internet about it. Health professionals hate it when you say that because there is a lot of "hookie" out there nut when you mention it was from the NIH they say "Ya don't say? Hmmmm..." So print this study the next time you see a Dr and say "READ THIS!" :)
I don't know if they'll switch my diuretics or what but something has to change...
I am so glad I found this page. I have been using my cpap for over a year now. When I first started, I was 60 lbs heavier than I am now but my ankles were not swollen. Before I lost weight, my ankles and lower legs became so swollen that I could hardly walk. When I stopped using my cpap, the swelling went away. I use the machine nightly. Now that I have lost weight, the swelling is not as bad but I still swell. Last night, I fell asleep without the cpap and today, my ankles have no swelling at all. I have talked to my doctor and the nurse practioner about this. They said there could not be a relation to my swelling and the cpap. I had a stress echo done and it showed my heart was fine. I wonder if I need additional tests for my kidneys or my heart.
Thanks for your post! I've been on CPAP for 3 nights and sure enough woke up 3rd morning with swollen ankles, legs, face and alot of pain. Prior to CPAP I had no swelling! I had to use the rest room several times a night though and I noticed I was only going once a night now. When I called the ( sleep Dr.'s) office today they told me to call my cadiologist right away. She had left for the day and her nurse told me not to sleep with Cpap 'till she talks to me or sees me!!
Really frustrated!! Have been waiting for a long time for a good night sleep!!! Thought this would really work!!!!!!! Can't beleive you were told leaky veins.................................:( :(
You triggered me to double-check that fluid can pass back and forth from the blood vessels to the lymphatic system, and yes, it does. It can only happen at the level of the capillaries, but if you google a phrase like "fluid passing through blood vessel walls," you will get some references to it.
Thanks for your comments. I'm glad that you are persisting. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. I'd be very interested to hear what you find out. Good luck.
Sorry.....correction to Paragraph 2, in the 2ND LAST SENTENCE SHOULD HAVE SAID......"I was unaware that my sleep doc was also a heart specialist".
Thank you for taking the time to respond to my query. It helps to look at the problem through another person's eyes. After thinking more objectively about it, I believe (as you suggested) that although the swellling occurs with CPAP use, it is not DIRECTLY attributable to the CPAP. I think the CPAP just acts as the catalyst or the trigger to the swelling. Since I wrote my question here on the MedHelp site, I had an app't with a pulmonologist/respiratory specialist (whom my GP had also referred me to, many months ago at the time of my (approx. annual) physical exam. App't was about results of Pulmonary Function Test and Oxygen Saturation Test (daytime), which it turns out were "okay.....no problems". He happens to also be one of the docs who works part of the time at the Sleep Clinic and when I asked him he said that it it definitely NOT a side effect of the CPAP. (And while I do not agree that it is merely "coincidental".......which is like "happenstance", I am going to go back and see my sleep doc, as the respiratory specialist suggested......since he told me that my sleep doc is also a heart specialist, and can investigate it from that perspective. So he said he would facilitate another app't with my sleep doc. I was unaware that my sleep doc is also a sleep doc, since his name is not listed among the specialists in the phone book (some others aren't either). So perhaps the sleep doc can help me discover why the swelling is occuring and why the diuretics are not working.
By the time my mother was 34 she had high blood prssure (and varicose veins) and at the time she was my exact age she had a massive heart attack (myocardial infarction) during an angioplasty procedure and underwent an emergency quadruple bipass. For years she has developed many blood clots in her legs, and now (at 85) has survived almost 3 years with "multiple pulmonary embolisms" in her lungs (and is on blood thinner). She looks after herself and does everything her doctor asks of her, and her doc calls her the "Energizer bunny". With that kind of genetic predisposition (to heart problems) I'm deciding (as you suggested) to follow up. (And yes, the swelling is connected to CPAP but not the cause of it.
Also, I did not realize that ANY fluid (lymph) passes through the walls of the veins under certain circumstances. Interesting.......just need to get the docs to determine the circumstances causing my leaking.
Again thenks, I really appreciate your response and it has helped me to establish a framework in which to view the problem.......and hopefully "they" can find a solution. Thanks for sharing, skyednsr.
I'm wondering if maybe you don't have some other problem, like maybe a weak heart or weak kidneys, that is causing the fluid buildup. As long as you are getting up several times a night, the ambulation associated with doing that keeps enough fluid moving so that you don't notice a problem. Once you started sleeping through the night, and you weren't getting up and walking around every so often, then you noticed something was wrong.
Because you have been on and off CPAP, it is clear that the fluid build-up happens when you are on CPAP, and it goes away when you are off CPAP. But maybe the problem isn't directly attributable to the CPAP. Maybe it is more about whether you are getting up several times a night or not. Or maybe it is about the CPAP, and you really need to get back with the sleep doctor. I don't know that much about CPAP myself, so I can't tell you that it's definitely NOT due to the CPAP. It's interesting that the more effective your CPAP got, the worse the swelling got.
I just know that, personally, I'm not impressed by "leaky veins" as an answer. If that explained it, I would expect your veins to be just as leaky, whether you were or weren't on CPAP. I think everybody's veins are leaky, anyway. It's normal for fluid (lymph) to pass through the vessel walls under certain circumstances. Whether you have inappropriate fluid build-up depends on how the pumping (heart) and filtering (kidney) system is working, anyway. When the heart or kidneys don't work well, then that's when the back-pressure builds up in the system, fluid accumulates, and you notice that you have swelling.
You need a doctor's care to identify the source of the problem. I don't know whether you want to go back and rattle your GP's cage and try to get her to look harder for the answer, or whether you will want to call the sleep specialist's office to get your follow-up appointment rescheduled so you can see him sooner. Swelling of the extremities can be a symptom of right heart failure, so if it's not working out to get an answer from either your GP or the sleep specialist, you might want go ahead and see a cardiologist on your own. It's nice if you can go through the proper channels and follow the chain of command and all that, but if you have to strike out on your own, that's the next specialist that I would want to consult.
Good luck. I don't have the answer for you. My intention is simply to try to help you think through it.