When the thyroid is hyper - the metabolic rate is falsely elevated, making it easy to lose/maintain weight. Once corrected, the metabolism falls back to "normal" and unless eating habits also adjust many patients gain weight.
The RAI can make a patient hypo even 1-2 years after treatment -- what is your TSH -- a level above 2.5 might be "hypo" for your body and getting on some thyroid medication may be appropriate. Many docs don't endorse this concept and will wait for the labs to be frankly abnormal before treating.
How was the cortisol measured? A random low cortisol on a blood draw is tough to interpret. Also why is the parathyroid elevated? Was your calcium elevated -- that could cause some of your painful joint symptoms and cause constipation, etc...
Hi emslass. You know, I've never known anyone who had RAI to not eventually get hypothyroid. And when you mentioned weight gain, stiff joints and gas, I did find myself wondering if you indeed had gotten there, but the docs aren't doing the right tests to confirm it. In my opinion and by what I have observed and personally experienced, docs are way too dependent on the TSH and believe too strongly in it's range. So they call you "normal" based on ink spots on a piece of paper, when your symptoms scream hypo.
I have found there are other ways to detect if one is hypo. One--your temp. You are generally looking for a before-rising temp of 97.8 - 98.2 and a mid-afternoon temp of 98.6, using a mercury thermometer. And testing the FREE T3 (not just T3, but FREE T3) is VERY telling. If it's low in the range, bingo.
Also, to tuck away in the back of your mind---docs are trained to put folks on thyroxin, but there appears to be huge growing body of us who have found desiccated pig thyroid (called Armour, for example, in the US) to be a FAR superior treatment than thyroxin. You even have an advocate group out there who are strongly questioning your docs as to why they aren't more routinely putting folks on Armour. Anyway, it's something to remember for future reference, because I do know you'd love to have an answer for your current situation!
I wish I had a dollar for everytime I've heard that a doc used "age" as an excuse to not treat obvious hypothyroidism. Other times they'll tell younger women "of course you're tired, you have kids"....or some variation on this theme. I do not think they would tell a man these things.
Why they can not recognize obvious hypo symptoms I do not know. What I do know is that untreated hypothyroidism can have longterm adverse health effects.
For example your gas problem. I started with IBS symptoms way back in the 90s. The gasternonologist never mentioned that digestive ailments could be thyroid related. After finally getting diagnosed hypo in 2004, I have had a difficult time getting my digestive system back to some semblance of normalcy. I doubt it will ever be completely right because it is too damaged from long term untreated hypo. It did NOT have to happen.
You should have Free T4 and Free T3 checked. If they are in the lower 1/3 of the range, it is probabe that your symptoms are hypo related.
Your TSH is just not reliable after RAI from what I've heard from others. It may stay suppressed for a long period of time.
Please don't take "age" as the reason for your symptoms without further investigation.
Interesting post, Jim. I want to do more research on what ZRT told you--namely that bacterial, fungal and viral pathogenic infections can be a cause of chronic low cortisol. I see low cortisol in a LARGE amount of the hypo folks on the forum I'm on, and it's surprising. And Jim, if you do decide to take low-dose cortisol, you might then be able to raise your Armour, and get past that malaise you have! Please let us know what you find out from the Hep C test! My stepdaughter has it, and it's no fun. I wish you'd join the Natural Thyroid group!! LOL.
What's the web address? You can give it on here, many have done so in the past, as long as it might be a helpful and informative site for thyroid patients.
I'll certainly check it out.
Is it OK to give a link? I thought it wasn't. Well...ok, here goes (and Cindy, LowMac told me it was OK. :o)) If he's wrong, I won't do this again: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormones/
When I read your post, my first thought was "I don't remember posting that"! You could have been talking about me! I had the RAI, and although it did make me hypothyroid, and I was put on Synthroid, as soon as my blood tests were "normal", I was told that the "buddha belly" wasn't related to my thyroid, and the knee and ankle pain was because of the extra weight I was carrying. And all the other odd problems that started with my thyroid suddenly couldn't be my thyroid any more because my bloodwork was NORMAL! So, normal bloodwork doesn't mean you aren't hypo - after RAI, the TSH test most doctors use is not reliable, for some reason. But they still use it, and make us doubt ourselves by telling us it's all in our heads, we just need to exercise and eat right, and oh, here's a pill for the high cholesterol and one for depression and one for the joint pain.
All of the symptoms you described are HYPO symptoms - I've had them all, too! Keep after the doctors - you're more than a lab report and your symptoms are more important than the numbers!
Ladies, I'm posting under this heading, the other was really filled up. Thanks for response to my description of low cortisol. This is not a new revelation to me, I've looked into it for more than three years, knowing it can affect thyroid function etc... What I'm actually looking for is more specific advice for my case in particular, which I know is very difficult to do via written posts. Dr. Mark may not see my posts under the other heading and may not can answer due to forum policy anyway.
The disrupted sleep patterns, has always been a possible cause but another thing that caught my eye, was the ZRT info. sheet which also listed bacterial, fungal and viral pathogenic infections, can be a cause of chronic low cortisol.
I've always felt like I had a viral or other type infection running around in my body. For example, last night my mother came over for dinner last night and gave me/my wife a sample of wine she has just started drinking in small shots, just before bedtime, for blood and relaxation purposes (also has toe pain-recent gout surgery) and as I do with a few other things (like chocolate), I had bad reaction to it (almost never drink). I felt fine until an hour later, I had symptoms flare-up. Before the flare up was over, I had strep throught type symptoms, not as severe as real strep throat. Stange huh? I know a Dr. hearing this would probably think I was a nut but I've been through it enough times to know there is a definate pattern. I'm getting Hepatitis C tested for and should have results in about two weeks. None of the ways websites list that it is contracted, apply to me but I want to get it done anyway.
I've harped a little about lousy Dr.s on here and hope I especially haven't offended Dr. Mark because I feel he is one who is called. My disgust is the Docs who try to say pyschosomatic/emotional as cause of my flare-ups. How in the world do emotions cause chemical sensitivities? Or Othostatic Hypotension? Or joint aches/with crunchy,poping sounds? Also, I have read numerous websites, stating that emotional disorder, anxiety/depression, results in high cortisol levels, except for PTST (Posts Traumatic Stress Disorder), which can supress cortisol but I definately don't have PTSD. Any emotional symptoms I do have, are mild.
This has been tough for me because I've always been healthy and strong. I'm 6-ft, 215 to 220 lbs, actually told I was too muscular in shoulders/neck area. I just want to be able to work even moderately hard, without symptom fare-up. That's another thing, anxiety/depression suffers, benifit greatly from exercise, with me, I get post exertional malaise that can last a whole day or two to recover from.
Anyway, I've rattled on too long. I'll never give up finding answers and eliminating the possibles, until I satisfactorally get to the bottom of this. Thanks again everyone.
I just want to say this as well; People or even Dr.s who do not understand why someone has to research their own illness, either is not thinking it through or is very one-sided in their thinking. You cannot get enough info, to even fill a thimble, at a 10 to 15 minute office visit. I have been to two endocrinologoists, plus three GPs before that. To think I can make huge numbers of office visits, in order to begin connecting info together is simply ludacris. I don't know of a Dr. who will sit and go over information with you for an hour at a time, though Specialists will come a little closer to it. The main thing I've done at Dr. visits, is to specifically describe symptoms in detail.
I'm venting now, but here goes.... The fact is, the Dr.s I've been to so far, were burnt out and could care less If I was diagnosed properly or not. I am not stupid enough to think all Dr.s are bad, just like I do not believe all Cops or Ministers or Car Salesman etc, etc..., are bad but I will say that any Dr. who denies this problem is going on, is a pencil-neck runt, who is probably in the same catagory as they are. I do truely, sincerely believe there is a terrific Dr. out there for me but the expense in trying to find him, has been astonomical.
Those of you who are believers, pray for me, Ar1281a (my good friend), TNT, ShannieK and all the others who have/are going through SO MUCH, to find proper treatment. I believe in Divine Intervention, have seen it/experienced it. But I do believe God works through Dr.s too. He will judge those who put on a front but really do not care, I wish them all true repentance.
(note: I didn't use specific names of religious figures, religions, denominatione etc.., just a generalized thought!)
Thanks to all the sincere hearted!
I appreciated your comments above. I have learned very little, if anything, from docs about my condition. I spent hundreds of hours reading about it...and then sharing info on an Internet forum is quite informative. I don't know why so many docs resent a patient being informed...it's weird.
On the sleep patterns...I remember reading that one good indicator of hypo being under control was that sleep patterns returned to normal. Hmm...that means I'm not quite there. Although I had high cortisol when first diagnosed, I'm not sure what it is now. But not being able to fall asleep at night was really getting to me. I've started using 1 mg. of Melatonin. It's supposed to be helpful for restoring the circadian (sp?) rhythm. It's really working for me...so if you haven't tried that, it might be helpful to you.
btw, I'm a believer too.
Hi there, thanks for all your comments, they have cheered me up,as it's good to know that there are some who believe me. I am so frustrated that my GP has decided not to listen to me and is now offering diet meds.
My TSH has never registered. The reading was so small it was less than 0.01, and it has never improved even after taking the RAI.
All the blood tests get sent to the hospital for analysis, and the pages of readouts get sent to my local GP, who admits that unless things are really unusual, it's a mass of information that needs a specialist to interpret, and it's the expert that I am still waiting to see.
BTW, I am not constipated, I am just full of gas, I belch constantly.
Thanks! I wish I had known about the thyroid two yrs ago when I decided to try to get pregnant, and of course before then when I felt crappy all the time!