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Hashimoto's/Vitamin Deficiencies?
Just wondering if anyone with Hashimoto's or hypothyroidism notices a difference in pain when they take vitamins?? Mostly muscle and joint pain. When I take Cal/Mag/Zinc, Vit. E, Vit. B12, AND a Multivitamin my joints hurt less. If I forget to take them for a few days they start hurting worse. Is vitamin deficiency common with Hashimoto's/Hypo?? I don't think I imagine this, there have been times I could not even touch the insides of my knee joints. Right now I can put pressure on them and it barely hurts. Connection or not? THANKS
Tracy
Tracy
I HAVE BEEN BATTLING HASHIMOTOS FOR 3 YEARS. I HAD EVERY
HORRIBLE SYMPTOM FROM MUSCLE AND JOINT PAIN, FATIGUE, CHEST PAIN, IRRITABILITY. I RECENTLY READ A BOOK BY DR. ALEXANDER HASKELL (HOPE FOR HASHIMOTO'S). I STARTED TAKING SELENIUM, MEGA D3, MEGA RED, VITABIOTIC(HAS VIT A C AND OTHER IMPORTANT IMMUNE SUPPLEMENTS INCLUDING ECHINACEA). I AM ONLY 41 AND THIS CAUSED EARLY MENOPAUSE SO I AM USING NATURAL CREMES. WHAT A NIGHTMARE! THIS BOOK HELPED ME ALOT AND I FEEL 10X BETTER.
HORRIBLE SYMPTOM FROM MUSCLE AND JOINT PAIN, FATIGUE, CHEST PAIN, IRRITABILITY. I RECENTLY READ A BOOK BY DR. ALEXANDER HASKELL (HOPE FOR HASHIMOTO'S). I STARTED TAKING SELENIUM, MEGA D3, MEGA RED, VITABIOTIC(HAS VIT A C AND OTHER IMPORTANT IMMUNE SUPPLEMENTS INCLUDING ECHINACEA). I AM ONLY 41 AND THIS CAUSED EARLY MENOPAUSE SO I AM USING NATURAL CREMES. WHAT A NIGHTMARE! THIS BOOK HELPED ME ALOT AND I FEEL 10X BETTER.
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The last change effected by DSHEA concentrated on DS quality. Directed by DSHEA, the FDA was to establish GMP (Good Manufacturing Practice) guidelines for the dietary supplement industry and model the rules after existing Food GMP regulations. (GMP is the minimum quality expectation for a given product used by the consumer.) Since 1994, the FDA has not fully established and/or enforced GMP regulations for dietary supplements, meaning that DS products are currently monitored only under food GMPs.
When looking at the two current regulations (Food GMP vs. Drug GMP), there are several dramatic distinctions. We will use a pizza vs. penicillin analogy to help illustrate this point.
(If you want to research the differences yourself, or just verify the next statements, you can find these rules in the Code of Federal Regulations - 21 CFR 110 (Food), 21 CFR 210 and 211 (Drug).)
Food GMPs focus more on products as "safe" food items. Basically, they ensure that no poisons or pathogenic biological elements are introduced into the finished product. Food GMPs do not mandate you test each batch or its ingredients for these harmful elements. The only actual stipulations for a manufacturer are: 1) that they use ingredients generally recognized as safe for human use, and 2) that they maintain good hygienic practices. For example, when you order a pizza, the maker uses flour, yeast, salt, water, tomato paste, and cheese. It is not necessary to test these ingredients individually for safety because they are all generally recognized as safe. Provided the chef runs a clean shop, they are fully compliant with food GMPs.
******Since dietary supplements are regulated under food GMPs, it has created numerous problems for the industry. Remember: food GMPs do not mandate that finished dietary supplement products - or ingredients used in DS products - be tested to verify label claims. Consequently, if you manufacture a 100 mg Vitamin C product, under the current law you are not required to test the Vitamin C raw material or the finished product to verify that it actually contains 100 mg of Vitamin C. Many manufactures do not go to the added expense of testing this because it is not required.******
********As a result, cheap, low-grade, non-potent dietary supplement products have flooded the marketplace. Many independent studies and recent news articles have illustrated this quality problem by highlighting less than stellar results from tests of commonly retailed products. Indeed, the newly proposed GMP rules for DSHEA may not stop these practices. Unfortunately, the few manufacturers that have strict standards, such as USANA, are unfairly compared to those who only follow food GMPs.********
********Do you expect a different level of quality for penicillin than you do for pizza? Of course! Because of this difference in expectation, drug GMPs are much more restrictive. Remember that food GMPs are only focused on safety; drug GMPs, in contrast, are focused not only on safety, but also on potency, purity, and efficacy. Drug GMPs mandate ingredient (raw material) testing for each of these four categories. It also mandates safety, potency, purity and efficacy testing on each batch of finished product. *******
Similarly, hygienic practices are more restrictive under drug GMPs. Additional metrics - such as uniformity, validation, process controls, and stability - are required. These are terms never discussed under food GMPs and are only applicable under drug GMPs.
The foundation of USANA's product quality is pharmaceutical GMPs. We do not endorse the philosophy of other dietary supplements manufacturers who only adhere to food-level GMPs. It would be irresponsible for USANA to do extensive research to develop high-quality products, then meet inferior manufacturing guidelines for those products.
Many distributors ask us whether the FDA has audited our facility for drug GMP compliance. They want to verify that we follow drug GMP regulations.
Unfortunately, the answer to this is no. Because the FDA considers our products to be dietary supplements, any audits are done to food GMPs only. However, our products are considered over-the-counter drugs in Canada and Australia, and we have been - and continue to be - audited to drug GMPs by the FDA equivalents in those countries.
I wish everyone who reads this forum a great weekend!!
:)
The last change effected by DSHEA concentrated on DS quality. Directed by DSHEA, the FDA was to establish GMP (Good Manufacturing Practice) guidelines for the dietary supplement industry and model the rules after existing Food GMP regulations. (GMP is the minimum quality expectation for a given product used by the consumer.) Since 1994, the FDA has not fully established and/or enforced GMP regulations for dietary supplements, meaning that DS products are currently monitored only under food GMPs.
When looking at the two current regulations (Food GMP vs. Drug GMP), there are several dramatic distinctions. We will use a pizza vs. penicillin analogy to help illustrate this point.
(If you want to research the differences yourself, or just verify the next statements, you can find these rules in the Code of Federal Regulations - 21 CFR 110 (Food), 21 CFR 210 and 211 (Drug).)
Food GMPs focus more on products as "safe" food items. Basically, they ensure that no poisons or pathogenic biological elements are introduced into the finished product. Food GMPs do not mandate you test each batch or its ingredients for these harmful elements. The only actual stipulations for a manufacturer are: 1) that they use ingredients generally recognized as safe for human use, and 2) that they maintain good hygienic practices. For example, when you order a pizza, the maker uses flour, yeast, salt, water, tomato paste, and cheese. It is not necessary to test these ingredients individually for safety because they are all generally recognized as safe. Provided the chef runs a clean shop, they are fully compliant with food GMPs.
******Since dietary supplements are regulated under food GMPs, it has created numerous problems for the industry. Remember: food GMPs do not mandate that finished dietary supplement products - or ingredients used in DS products - be tested to verify label claims. Consequently, if you manufacture a 100 mg Vitamin C product, under the current law you are not required to test the Vitamin C raw material or the finished product to verify that it actually contains 100 mg of Vitamin C. Many manufactures do not go to the added expense of testing this because it is not required.******
********As a result, cheap, low-grade, non-potent dietary supplement products have flooded the marketplace. Many independent studies and recent news articles have illustrated this quality problem by highlighting less than stellar results from tests of commonly retailed products. Indeed, the newly proposed GMP rules for DSHEA may not stop these practices. Unfortunately, the few manufacturers that have strict standards, such as USANA, are unfairly compared to those who only follow food GMPs.********
********Do you expect a different level of quality for penicillin than you do for pizza? Of course! Because of this difference in expectation, drug GMPs are much more restrictive. Remember that food GMPs are only focused on safety; drug GMPs, in contrast, are focused not only on safety, but also on potency, purity, and efficacy. Drug GMPs mandate ingredient (raw material) testing for each of these four categories. It also mandates safety, potency, purity and efficacy testing on each batch of finished product. *******
Similarly, hygienic practices are more restrictive under drug GMPs. Additional metrics - such as uniformity, validation, process controls, and stability - are required. These are terms never discussed under food GMPs and are only applicable under drug GMPs.
The foundation of USANA's product quality is pharmaceutical GMPs. We do not endorse the philosophy of other dietary supplements manufacturers who only adhere to food-level GMPs. It would be irresponsible for USANA to do extensive research to develop high-quality products, then meet inferior manufacturing guidelines for those products.
Many distributors ask us whether the FDA has audited our facility for drug GMP compliance. They want to verify that we follow drug GMP regulations.
Unfortunately, the answer to this is no. Because the FDA considers our products to be dietary supplements, any audits are done to food GMPs only. However, our products are considered over-the-counter drugs in Canada and Australia, and we have been - and continue to be - audited to drug GMPs by the FDA equivalents in those countries.
I wish everyone who reads this forum a great weekend!!
:)
Hi there everyone,
I am happy to hear that vitamins are working for you both.
I can't remember which B vitamin it is, but stress causes depletion of B. Something to do with the production of the stress hormones. So, yes, I agree...take your B's.
And D has been shown to have positive effects on cancer rates. Usana's fish oil has D added now. If you're a vegetarian, that won't be helpful news...sorry to any vegetarians. And like all products with Usana...no toxins. don't ask me how...but they process the oil to remove mercury and lead, etc.
Here is some info on the Biomega, or fish oil:
Omega-3 fatty acids are necessary for optimal health and wellness. These nutrients help support cardiovascular health, sustain optimal neural growth and development, and maintain good joint health.
Supports healthy blood pressure and cholesterol levels (provided they are normal to begin with)
**Contains twice the potency of many fish oil supplements**
Double molecular distillation process ensures the highest quality
Now with added lemon flavor so there's virtually no fishy aftertaste
Helps support cardiovascular health, joint health, and proper neural growth and development*
Here is some info I pulled from "Ask the Scientist" on Usana: re: pharmaceutical standards (I added stars to what I thought were the more interesting paragraphs)
If you look at the bottom of the Essentials and other product labels, you will find the following statement:
"Laboratory tested, quality guaranteed. Meets USP specifications for potency, uniformity, and disintegration where applicable."
This standard holds true on all applicable products we manufacture.
Pharmaceutical grade tablets and capsules must meet certain standards for quality as set by the United States Pharmacopeia (or USP). The USP is a non-profit organization that works closely with the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the pharmaceutical industry, and health professionals to establish authoritative standards. These standards are enforceable by the FDA and the governments of more than 35 other countries, and are recognized worldwide as the hallmark of pharmaceutical manufacturing quality.
USANA voluntarily chooses to manufacture its products according to these rigid quality standards.
Our high standards of manufacturing may be the primary factor that separates USANA from other nutritional supplement companies. In 1994, the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act (DSHEA) was enacted by the United States Congress. Within this act, Nutritional Supplements were reclassified from "food" status to a new category called "Dietary Supplements" (DS). Because of DSHEA, certain changes were made to regulate dietary supplements differently than food. The first noticeable change effected the way DS were labeled. The "Nutritional Facts" panel seen on foods was changed to a "Supplement Facts" panel on DS. You may notice DS labels do not declare calories, fat, carbohydrates, or proteins. Dietary supplements do, however, declare nutrient values for vitamins, minerals, herbs, etc.
The second change allowed dietary supplement makers to include health claims (normally associated with drugs) that were not permitted for foods. For example, the FDA originally approved only 4 health claims for foods (including the link between high fiber and a reduction in cancer risk, calcium and osteoporosis, etc.) Under DSHEA, dietary supplement products could extend health claims in the area of structure/function (i.e. vitamin E nutritionally supports good cardiovascular function).
I am happy to hear that vitamins are working for you both.
I can't remember which B vitamin it is, but stress causes depletion of B. Something to do with the production of the stress hormones. So, yes, I agree...take your B's.
And D has been shown to have positive effects on cancer rates. Usana's fish oil has D added now. If you're a vegetarian, that won't be helpful news...sorry to any vegetarians. And like all products with Usana...no toxins. don't ask me how...but they process the oil to remove mercury and lead, etc.
Here is some info on the Biomega, or fish oil:
Omega-3 fatty acids are necessary for optimal health and wellness. These nutrients help support cardiovascular health, sustain optimal neural growth and development, and maintain good joint health.
Supports healthy blood pressure and cholesterol levels (provided they are normal to begin with)
**Contains twice the potency of many fish oil supplements**
Double molecular distillation process ensures the highest quality
Now with added lemon flavor so there's virtually no fishy aftertaste
Helps support cardiovascular health, joint health, and proper neural growth and development*
Here is some info I pulled from "Ask the Scientist" on Usana: re: pharmaceutical standards (I added stars to what I thought were the more interesting paragraphs)
If you look at the bottom of the Essentials and other product labels, you will find the following statement:
"Laboratory tested, quality guaranteed. Meets USP specifications for potency, uniformity, and disintegration where applicable."
This standard holds true on all applicable products we manufacture.
Pharmaceutical grade tablets and capsules must meet certain standards for quality as set by the United States Pharmacopeia (or USP). The USP is a non-profit organization that works closely with the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the pharmaceutical industry, and health professionals to establish authoritative standards. These standards are enforceable by the FDA and the governments of more than 35 other countries, and are recognized worldwide as the hallmark of pharmaceutical manufacturing quality.
USANA voluntarily chooses to manufacture its products according to these rigid quality standards.
Our high standards of manufacturing may be the primary factor that separates USANA from other nutritional supplement companies. In 1994, the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act (DSHEA) was enacted by the United States Congress. Within this act, Nutritional Supplements were reclassified from "food" status to a new category called "Dietary Supplements" (DS). Because of DSHEA, certain changes were made to regulate dietary supplements differently than food. The first noticeable change effected the way DS were labeled. The "Nutritional Facts" panel seen on foods was changed to a "Supplement Facts" panel on DS. You may notice DS labels do not declare calories, fat, carbohydrates, or proteins. Dietary supplements do, however, declare nutrient values for vitamins, minerals, herbs, etc.
The second change allowed dietary supplement makers to include health claims (normally associated with drugs) that were not permitted for foods. For example, the FDA originally approved only 4 health claims for foods (including the link between high fiber and a reduction in cancer risk, calcium and osteoporosis, etc.) Under DSHEA, dietary supplement products could extend health claims in the area of structure/function (i.e. vitamin E nutritionally supports good cardiovascular function).
Interesting..... I have pernicious anemia, which is related to thyroid disease. I take a B12 injection once a month. It can cause neurological problems if not treated so everyone should take vit B12 if your number is under 500. Lab range says ok above 250 but women really should be above 500. I also just found out that I have low iron and very low vitamin D. I've been taking a multi and extra vit D and I've noticed a difference in my chronic leg pain, which I've had for years. I kept telling my docs that I had bone and muscle pain. Much better, but not gone yet, since starting the vit D.
Thanks for both of your inputs. I notice the twitching and tingling are nearly gone. I've been taking my vitamins religiously and I KNOW it is them that is making the difference. When I have taken them in the past and then stopped for even a few days the symptoms come back!! There is a connection I just know it. I'll keep you all posted!! :) I'll check out that website too. THANKS
hi there,
my Mom has a thyroid condition. My friend is a distributor for Usana products. So, I got my mom taking the stuff too. She said she feels better. Usana makes pharmaceutical grade vitamins. There are no toxins (25% of calcium pills have high lead levels). They dissolve/absorb into the body easily. If you want to check out her site, it is www.nutriceuticals.usana.com
all the best!
my Mom has a thyroid condition. My friend is a distributor for Usana products. So, I got my mom taking the stuff too. She said she feels better. Usana makes pharmaceutical grade vitamins. There are no toxins (25% of calcium pills have high lead levels). They dissolve/absorb into the body easily. If you want to check out her site, it is www.nutriceuticals.usana.com
all the best!
A lot of what you say actually makes sense. Vitamin B is deficiencies are know to cause symptoms such as muscle twitching and parasthesias (that pins and needles feeling). I have read from several different source that vit B deficiencies frequently occur in those with thyroid conditions. It's all pretty interesting..... keep us posted on your progress.
WOW, very, very, interesting!! Please keep us posted, I've VERY interested in the connection. Geeze, with all the research we do WE should be Drs. ;)
I couldn't agree with you more. I have been trying to piece it all together for almost 2 years. I did have a SpectraCell test done and it came back that I was deficient in Pantothenate, Insulin, Glutathione, Selenium and D. I am researching this now to see if there is any connection with these deficiencies and thyroid. Will let you know what I find.
Thanks, very interesting!! I don't notice as many muscle spasms and twitches when I take the vitamins. My joints feel better too. Somehow a deficiency must be there. I take my Levothyroxine in the morning too. Has to be a way to piece all of this together!! :)
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