Hi. WOW..You sound so much like me. I have been having heart issues for about the last ~5 years. I had an issue a few years back where my heart and breathing stopped. Turned bluish gray with eyes rolled back. Was brought back and never got checked by a doctor for 2 years after. Found out later that, that was actually a heart attack. My normal BP was 165/114. I finally went to the Dr. for BP meds. For the last couple of years I have had major issues with chest and back pains and the occasional all over shooting pains. She would always check out my heart wether it was back pains or not. At this point I was taking BP meds, Chol. meds, Diuretics, aspirin, etc.
I would not admit I had heart issues to myself even though everyone else said I did. Finally in Feb. I believed. This time I was concerned. I thought I was going to die. I went to the doctor ( LOL, the next day) and this time instead of me discerning her; she disregarded me and what I had to say. And I was told that whatever the problem was that I just had to bloom. Payback I guess. LOL I was upset and went in for my medical records. I went though **** for 2 months of heart palps, angina, my heart rate one minute would be super high and then sink very low. My EKG's were showing a 2nd degree mobitz ll block. I still believed even if I had heart issues, it was not being caused by the heart; but, was something else.
To try to keep this somewhat short, I started questioning my blood work. It took me a couple months to get over the "bloom thing". On top of the pains and HR fluctuations I was also having issues with bld. in my urine for a couple of months; but, no UTI. ??? I found out I was low in sugar, iron, calcium and thyroid. I turned into a zombie and big time after starting the thyroid meds, I fought to keep my eyes open for 3 hours at a time. Now that I'm getting used to them. I am not having the chest pains hardly at all. Maybe 1 or two a day but not as gripping by far. I think it was probably most of my problems concerning my heart issues. She put in my notes that my thyroid was "part" of the problem" but, I'm wondering if it was the majority of the problem now. I was told about a book called "Hypothyroidism: The Unsuspected Illness" that is supposed to explain alot of the relationships with illnesses. I have not recieved it yet. Bought it off of Ebay. I do know that the pains are easing up, and my bp is getting more regular again, now that I'm on thyroid meds. Sorry this is a book. I don't know if my story helps you or not; but, I hope it did.
Take Care; Amy
Hi. It is I again. I found another post that I had asked some similar questions on and have pasted some of the comments here for you. I don't know if they help or not, but they are:
Low ferritin can cause problems with your heart rate too along with your thyroid. In order to feel your best when you have hypothyroidism your ferritin should be within normal range.
My guess is that your BP and cholesterol would be under control WITHOUT meds if your ferritin wasn't so low. Low iron levels in the blood make it so the body can't utilize the thyroid medication properly. The reason is that having enough iron means your blood cells can carry the oxygen they need. If they don't have enough iron, the result is you'll feel tired too because you won't have enough oxygen. Your symptoms would be shortness of breath and fatigue and sometimes chest pain.
For more information on why I'm saying this about your BP and cholesterol find the book, Hypothyroidism, The Unsuspected Illness. It's a very interesting read about hypothyroidism.
Hi, thanks for the post and the info . It sounds then from what I have read, if correctly, that it is just recently that you have been diagnosed with thyroid disease. It sounds like you have been proactive in your health, so you have been getting your medical records.
I can not believe the cold heartness or I guess I should say Callanouss of SOME DOCTORS. There are some Very good Drs. then some that need to take some time off or something, because you can tell they are very tired, close to burnout, or have some other type of problem that is affecting their ability to relate to their pts. and diagnose conditions.
If you have your medical records, did you find out your TSH level? How much meds are you on, and are they helping?AS for the Ferriton level, I will have to check that out, I am never high on protein, or on Iron, as a Vegetarian, I am often on the very low side of normal, but feel ok most of the time. I tend to go from being extremly tired, to feeling pretty good, but I havent' felt " normal" as I did before beng diagnosed with thyroid disease.
Part of my problem is that I am on Methadone for back pain, and it is a very powerful opiate, and It can drag you down but if the choice is constant pain that limits everything I do, or being sometimes dragged out, then I guess I will be on the dragged out side. My husband is my Vitamin Mineral Suppliment DR. though, and he helps with the fatigue I usually have.
To get back to the heart issue, I can't believe you had a heart attack, and that you don't have a dr. a cardiologist to be specific who doesnt have you under his care! Since your attack, have you had any tests to see what kind of damage you may have had?The EKG is basic, but there are other tests that will determine what other meds or treatments you may need, or more importantly, if you are still at risk for another one. I have had a Persantine Stress test with Gate Imaging, ( they use a Gamma Camera to take 3-D photos of your heart at rest and under stress) a Cardiac Catherization in the hospital last week, and also a Echocardiogram that I am waiting for the results of. My biggest problem has been that I was in denial.( another symptom of a MI ) and didn't go to the E.R. and I should have or I would not be going through all this.
What I guess I am still asking is this: Now that I am on 'Thyroid meds and have been continuously since 2000, am I still at risk for cardiac issues, ?In your case, you were Thyroid deprived but did not know it, and that seems to be one of the contributing factors for your heart issues. But now that you are ON THYROID MEDS, WHAT IS YOUR RISK? See what I mean??
Thanks for the suggestion of the Thyroid book, I think I have seen that one at the bookstore, and I will check it out.I have about four Thyroid books, and one good one is " What your Dr. won't tell you about thyroid Disease, or What your Dr. doesn't want you to know about Thyroid Disease.Another good basic one is Thryoid For Dummies.It seems that every month there are more and more Thyroid books on the book shelves, people are starting to realize how prevalant this disease is and how it affects so many lives, mostly women. A lot of people that are deficeint in Thyroid Hormone are allso Adrenal fatigued. Have you had yours checked out?
Well, I will have to look on my records and see if I can find the Ferritin on my blood work. I live in a small town, ( about 24,000 people, ) so the resources are not like in a larger city, also there are no Thyroid specialist in this area, which limits my choices of who I can go to. DR.s are not that knowledgable when it comes to Thyroid issues and some still get upset when the pt. asks or acts like they know about their own body better than the dr.
Ebay is a great place to find books about your health, vitamins etc. I sell on ebay to suppliment my income but I also find some great stuff that I couldn't afford or find anywhere else, living where I do. Take care and I will be watching for more posts from you. I am sure there are others out there who have the same concerns I do about the heart issue with thyroid disease. Fluffypurrcat
Do you Google?
Google hypothyroid heart disease.
Did you see this link: http://thyroid.about.com/cs/latestresearch/a/celiac.htm
There is very good information there.
I totally believe that thyroid issues have a great deal of an effect on your heart. My Dr told me today. Especially if our levels are all over place for a long period of time.
Thanks for the infor. I have to lie down and take a nap, I am so tired today, I will be sure to Google that site you left when I get up. Thanks and I will get back to you.
Hi, thanks for your site to look up too, Like I told AR-10, I am wiped out right now, keep dozing off at the computer, so I am going for a nap and then I will check these sites out. Thanks for all the kind info. I am so glad I found this Forum. Take care and hope to hear from you again. Fluffypurrcat
Hi, thanks for responding. Wow, I wish I had a dr. like yours who knows something about Thyroid issues and the heart connection. It is hard enough where I live to even get treated for Thyroid. There seems to be one thyroid med and no Armour or other treatments. It is like living in the dark ages as far as thyroid issues go. I will have to look up all these sites I have gotten and get the juice on what is happening to me. My thyroids have been all over the place the last two years esp. I will nap and get back to you afer I check out some places. Thank you for being here to help. Fluffypurrcat
If you plug those three words into Google search, you can get a pretty good idea of the answer without even going to one of the sites.
I would tell you about my heart, but I went from one extreme to the other many times, and a few of the extreme highs and lows were detrimental to my entire body.
Thyroid disease can cause heart problems and heart damage.
Having thyroid disease after you have had heart damage is more complicated as well. You have to prevent further damage.
It's not a death sentence. It's one more thing the Doctor (meaning you) has to stay on top of.
Hi. Sorry it took awhile for me to respond. I was busy trying to complete cutting/raking the yard & tilling the garden today in which was very hot and would wipe out healthy people easily. Tractor broke. I fill like the old mule. LOL WOW- Hot! Getting the crop in late this year AGAIN. Ouch. Anyhow, It took me 24 years to go to a docter due to a bad experiance as a somewhat child. Anyhow, yes I had some major issues years ago and also a few months ago with my heart.
Now I just worry about now to get done what I have too. I did not go to a cardiologist after my SPECT stress test and ecko. My EF dropped 20 pts. but, was still somewhat within the safety rage (53%) so I didn't bother. As far as my life span: ???? WOW. ???? I just wanted to be able to live a life where I could do what I had to do.
I know more about heart issues than I do thyroid. I don't know but if your really wiped out, I would think that would be more of a thyroid issue and others would be better at explaining this to you than me. I go to a CRNP, but all in all I think she does me well. I've not been the best patient so I have to excuse her too. I'm very happy to not have to worry about a pacemaker now.
I used to worry about the what ifs? It silently drove me almost to the point of almost; well you get the point. WOW did I say that. Sorry that wild turkey drink just bit me. After I requested my medical records and spoke openly with my Dr. I was happy to view other options than my heart. I always believed "I may" lol have heart issues; but, they were not caused by my heart.
Please revue your medical records and check out your thyroid and bld levels. I'm sure you probably know thyroid better than I; but, I had no clue on the impact that the thyroid could cause.
Please take care of yourself and keep us posted. Really glad to hear from you too. We all have questions. That is the only way to learn. I truly do really understand.
Take Care; Amy
WOW, I couldn't believe the hits on hypothyroid heart issues. Thanks for all of the info.
I talked me my stepmother (in which does not have a thyroid and has had a MI and 3 stents) on the relationship between the thyroid and the heart. I never knew there was "truelly" a relationship between the two.
Thank you very much; Amy
Hi, so many comments here, it is hard for me to keep track of what. As far as the comment " Being wiped out," it is not Thyroid related. just the fact I am so tired, I have not been getting enough sleep, I am stressed ovre this heart attack thing, and the fact I take Methadone.For anyone who has not taken Methadone, it is a very strong opiate pain releifer, and one of the biggest side affects of course, is the fact that it wipes you out, makes you sleepy, and a lot like thyroid " Brain Fog" . I have been taking opiates, ( Vicodin, Lortab, ES ) continuously since 1999. Also been on Methadone since 2004 as it is the ONLY pain killer that takes care of my back pain. My back and Thyroid just happened to occur at the same time, is'n't that the S***s.......anyway, anyone who has ever experineced the brain fog from Thyroid disease, and that should be just about everyone, multiply that by 2, double whammy. So that is what I meant by Wiped out. not thryroid not working, ( at least it is the least of my concerns at the present. ) it is not the best it could be, but it is not the big concern right now.
I have lots of my medical records, but not sure what the bld levels are? Glad your EF numbers are within normal range. I am still waiting for my results of Echocardiogram test..I figured if I couldn't get the answer to some of the questions I have on the Heart Forum, ( not to say I didn't get a lot of help, because I did, and some great people too.)
but I had allways heard about the heart thyroid connections and wanted to find out as much as I could. I will be checking back as I have lots of thyroid questions too. Thank everyone here. Fluffypurrcat
I hope and pray your ecko results come back good for you. I had a friend of mine on oxycodeen (sp. check). So I understand that, with the pain killers. Plus my husband needs back Sx. and both knees replaced still and is always in pain. Eight years ago he was in an accident where he broke 21 bones in his body, one being a C2. I hope someday you can find relief from your pain somehow.
I also hope you get your answers as I would like to know for myself too. It seems to me like the two are very much so interconnected. ( heart, thyroid, iron, bp, chol, etc.)
It sounds like you have alot going on. I hope you can find relief, and as I said before I truly hope you can get your answer. Please take care; Amy
What a wonderful exchange of information! I am going to invite the Heart Co-CL's to stop by and take a look just in case they have any add'l info to add ... You may see Momto3 or Smiley2000 come by .....
What a wonderful exchange of information .. thanks to all for such networking among yourselves!
WELCOME to the COMMUNITY .. I am sorry you are having heart issues with possible thyroid components .... this is a great place .... I'm sure we can lend a hand.
Cheryl - co-cl thyroid
Some of you I know from the Heart forums, but others are new to me, so HELLO : )
I'm not sure of the relationship between cardiac problems and thyroid disorders, but since the heart and the thyroid are each part of a major body system (cardiac and endocrine) it wouldn't surprise me if there were correlations. I have noticed quite a few posters on the Heart forums who are also dealing with thyroid issues. I'll try and post a question over there to see what I can find out.....
Stay well and cool!!
P.S. Amy, nice garden ; 0
Thanks Connie for stopping by .. ! Cheryl
Thanks for the post on the heart forum connecting the two. So now you know where I am now. LOL. I am filling a lot better now. Thank goodness; it's garden time. As I said before we can our own fruits and veggies and hunt for our meat. I like the taste better and you don't get all the garbage in your food then. To many fillers and recalls. This time of year is rough though along with fall when we start with the canners and get ready for deer season.
Trying to keep the dogs out of the hot sun as much as possible. They love going to the creek and come back all muddy. YUK. Hope Samson is fine. We give ours ice cubes as treats in the summer. Unfortunately this is the time for heat stokes with dogs more so than summer. Glad to hear from you and take care. Your friend; Amy
P. S. Will stop by soon. Stay Cool.
No responsed on the Heart Forum yet : ( Hopefully, some of the members will add some suggestions, ideas and/or comments.
Take care everyone!
Hi, I am so glad I stopped here and took a chance someone else would have a clue of what is going on. I will go back to the heart forum as well as check out the forums there. I have other Thyroid issues and questions that I will ask about, so you haven't gotten rid of me yet. LOL. Seriously, living in a smaller town and not haivng dr.s who are allways willing to work with you, makes it harder even. I had a hard enough time gettting to see a Cardiologist,only because I have an excellent Family Dr. who stood up for me and made the cardiologist see me, otherwise, I would be stuck with no tests even. Sometimes I wish I had another " attack" while in the dr.s office, just so I could get a diagnosis. It is terrible and frustrating, when a dr. thinks that he knows your body better than you do. After all, if you are my age, 55, don't suffer from anxiety or panic attacks, don't have GERD or other indigestion problems, how can they think . " Oh, it is just indigestion, anything but a heart issue, because you do not fit the typical pattern. The big problem is, if you do a lot of reading or googling, you will find that women do not fit the usual pattern of heart attack symptoms that most men do. In fact, women may not even experince chest pain, ( or squeezing pressure ) at all. Women also are more apt to be turned away from ERs and thought of as painic attack victims, or homonaly imbalanced.
Thank goodness there are some great female dr.s out there who are more update on women and heart disease and womens unique problems. Thanks for letting me ' Rant " some. I will be checking back with some other questions. Fluffypurrcat
Hi there. I was always under the impression that HYPERTHYROIDISM causes a fast heartrate and can lead to heart problems...
I am going to do a bit of research and ask around a bit and will be with your a.s.a.p.
It is winter around here and freezing cold, but as soon as the network lines have defrosted (I am sure that is why my connection is braking up so much - lol :) I will be back :)
Pharmacy student/intern: all I want to comment on right now is the pain killer issue. Methadone and other opiate narcotics: I know those of you taking them have probably caught heck from other people, and feel the stigma/embarassment of them, but bear with me, and please listen... they - do - not - help - you - in - the - long - run. They have so many side effects on your body that are not fully recognized yet that they just cause a general downward spiral in overall health - mental health, physical health, emotional health. Plus, withdrawal from opiate painkillers give you withdrawal symptoms along with a type of phantom pain - pain that has no true origin, but is just hypersensitivity of all your nerves and senses from being super numbed down for so long.
Get off them now, sooner than later. Doctors are overprescribing them like candy and antibiotics. There are many other painkiller choices, especially for skeletal, muscle, and nerve related pain. I'm not going to advertise here... Just press your Dr, and tell them absolutely no opiates for long-term therapy. There are patches, and oral pills both that are excellent non-opiates.
Hi, thanks for the input and concern. I can not relate to soemone elses pain or what they take, but I can tell you my experience. I am 55, worked in the health care field since 1972, and as a preschool teacher, site supervisor untill 2000 when I was laid off work because of a on the job injury, herniated disks to my back.
Being on Workmans comp is a different ballgame then some other medical plans. It is very hard to get them to pay for much of anything. I have had lots of other things besides Methadone. I have had Vicodin, Lortab, Norco, muscle Relaxers, Neurontin , Amitripilyine. Soma, Lidocaine patches for my back, Morphine, Percocet, Dilaudid, Physical Therapy, I use a TENS Unit, have had Epidural Injections for my back, SI joint injections, Facet Joint injections and spine manipulations. Physical therapy including pool therapy, and Tordol injections.
I refused surgery in the beginning because I wanted to try the more conservative route, and now I can not get Workmans Comp to consider a pain pump or any kind of treatment . They dont' want to even pay for Stool softners, but they will pay for me to go down to a hospital to get a second opinion. The dr. I saw a few years ago wanted to do what was called a IDET procedure.( where they burn the nerve ending in the nucleus of the disk) but now that procedure is thought not worthwhile. The one thing I have not tryed is Acupuncture, but I have to get the ok from Workmans Comp and they haven't oked it yet. the Epidurals are only good for a week or two. The SI and Facet injections did nothing. Methadone is the ONLY med that has taken The EDGE offf the pain so I can do my ADLs. I know about withdrawl symptoms and have allready cut back 30 mg off my 90 mg day dose. If there is something else I could take to alleviate the pain I would take it. My Workmans comp makes it hard to get anything. I haven't worked since 2000 because when employers see my back history add my age, they laugh and look the other way. Methadone does not have any stigma that I am woried about. It is a excellent pain killer, but if there was something else that would take the pain away, I am all for it. I wish now I had taken the surger offer. Fluffypurrcat
Oh, I forgot that I was on Viox till it was taken off market, then Bextra, and now Celebrex. None of them work very well for me, and with the possible heart connection I will be stopping Celebrex. Fluffy
Yes, the Vioxx and possible Celebrex connection ... what a shame ... have you tried Mobic? I use it long-term for a bad ankle problem.
Smiley .. THANKS for stopping by!