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can allodynia produce tickling sensations with no pain?
Was wondering if I do indeed have allodynia, from what I read it is painful stimuli of the skin from hot or cold, clothing, etc, could it be just tickly sensations, and no pain involved? Would there be muscle pain, weakness, or spasms? I don't have any pain at all, just that when a shirt moves across my skin, it tickles, and this also happens on the top part of my upper legs, nowhere else, has anyone ever had this. I do get migraines, could there be a connection there?
I thought I made a break-thru w/ you, but see I wasted my toast.
Still enjoyed the Brandy. You immediately went into an anxiety
mode of worry instead of celebration. The why/what/when/wait.
2nd guessing MD when help was at your feet! You have a short
attention-span. You really need to see a professional to teach
you to breathe/slow down/read-learn/accept your world to what-
ever happens. If you have kids, they have picked up on Mom. If
you constantly obscess abt 'awful MS' they'll grow up w/ fear.
'Topamx' (hope it wks). 'I hate pills' (no pills/no relief).
'C-MRI' (cervical has 7 disks w/ nerves) 'C-spine not hdache
cause'. (C1,2,3,4) can pinch nerves & unless you're in a neck brace, you'll get stress & disk compression. Dr is correct w/
'hyper-excitability'. Meds or therapy can help. 'R/O'=rule-out.
Order is to ck for any pinching or disk problems 1st. Then they
will ck for 'HNP'(Herniated Nucleus Pulposus) to rule out inner
disk mesg'g. With your family history, after 8yrs, 1 lesion
would show up for MS. There is new testing & criteria. You are
on the computer so much your neck IS partially responsible for
hdaches/face tingling etc. Spine goes up into skull like a
tube filled w/ nerves/fibers. They then spread out to places in
skull. Re-read info. Yes, you need Xanax. Don't take Xanax the
day of spine-test. It may alter it. If OK, take Topamax after
test too. I hope things go well. Don't print 'Yeah But' on any
posts back. You can't tell when you've won 1/2 the battle. That
should give you joy. You have an imbalance somewhere. Gd-luck.
Still enjoyed the Brandy. You immediately went into an anxiety
mode of worry instead of celebration. The why/what/when/wait.
2nd guessing MD when help was at your feet! You have a short
attention-span. You really need to see a professional to teach
you to breathe/slow down/read-learn/accept your world to what-
ever happens. If you have kids, they have picked up on Mom. If
you constantly obscess abt 'awful MS' they'll grow up w/ fear.
'Topamx' (hope it wks). 'I hate pills' (no pills/no relief).
'C-MRI' (cervical has 7 disks w/ nerves) 'C-spine not hdache
cause'. (C1,2,3,4) can pinch nerves & unless you're in a neck brace, you'll get stress & disk compression. Dr is correct w/
'hyper-excitability'. Meds or therapy can help. 'R/O'=rule-out.
Order is to ck for any pinching or disk problems 1st. Then they
will ck for 'HNP'(Herniated Nucleus Pulposus) to rule out inner
disk mesg'g. With your family history, after 8yrs, 1 lesion
would show up for MS. There is new testing & criteria. You are
on the computer so much your neck IS partially responsible for
hdaches/face tingling etc. Spine goes up into skull like a
tube filled w/ nerves/fibers. They then spread out to places in
skull. Re-read info. Yes, you need Xanax. Don't take Xanax the
day of spine-test. It may alter it. If OK, take Topamax after
test too. I hope things go well. Don't print 'Yeah But' on any
posts back. You can't tell when you've won 1/2 the battle. That
should give you joy. You have an imbalance somewhere. Gd-luck.
There is a new Neurology 'patient-patient' forum that just
started. Click Forums above. May find a match about your MS
questions once word spreads. There is still a Dr-Patient Board.
started. Click Forums above. May find a match about your MS
questions once word spreads. There is still a Dr-Patient Board.
I did celebrate last night, I drank 3 beers, 1 to many, all I did was tossed and turned all night. I do believe that I am hopefully on the way to understanding whats going on, I guess that after 8 years of worry, its hard not to! I function normally everyday, no problem, except for the migraine feelings, but besides that, I am happy, been married for 13 years, have a son 10 years old, and live in a new home, which by the way, is to big for me to take care of. Sometimes I become overwhelmed by everything, especially taking care of my home. I also clean 3 homes a week on the side, tend bar 1 night a week, and cook on Friday evenings at a club that my parents own, so I'm busy. Thanks so much, glad you enjoyed your brandy, I enjoyed my beers, but not once I tried to go to sleep!! I'll let you know when I get the results, love and prayers, Jen!!!!
Oooooh brandy - I'd love some of that, but since taking this Neurontin, one glass of wine, and I'm falling over :-)
Jenny - Thats heartening they don't think its MS - when will you know results?
Demi - you haven't heard from me lately, because there is nothing to report - except for the fact that the people I'm dealing with are all morons! Seems the Neuro never got round to doing the Orthoptist referal, and hes away on holiday - I'm to ring on Monday to see what can be done. My Doc said last week she'd push for an early appntment from her end, but when I rang to see how she did, I was told that she got nowhere because they did'nt have a referal. I will now try to push her to refer me herself. The Optometrists are stalling on giving me the card with my glasses Rx - saying the optometrist hasn't signed it yet.
I asked for it last monday.
I am doing OK - mostly because its school holidays here and I'm not working - I realised last week, that if I did'nt paint or read, I was OK - even my arms stopped spasming. The eyestrain seems to trip a process that ends up in my hands. Still, I need to go back to work soon - I need money, so I'll really have to push all these lazy people.
Hope you're well & the wind is not blowing :-)
Jenny - Thats heartening they don't think its MS - when will you know results?
Demi - you haven't heard from me lately, because there is nothing to report - except for the fact that the people I'm dealing with are all morons! Seems the Neuro never got round to doing the Orthoptist referal, and hes away on holiday - I'm to ring on Monday to see what can be done. My Doc said last week she'd push for an early appntment from her end, but when I rang to see how she did, I was told that she got nowhere because they did'nt have a referal. I will now try to push her to refer me herself. The Optometrists are stalling on giving me the card with my glasses Rx - saying the optometrist hasn't signed it yet.
I asked for it last monday.
I am doing OK - mostly because its school holidays here and I'm not working - I realised last week, that if I did'nt paint or read, I was OK - even my arms stopped spasming. The eyestrain seems to trip a process that ends up in my hands. Still, I need to go back to work soon - I need money, so I'll really have to push all these lazy people.
Hope you're well & the wind is not blowing :-)
Hi Jenny - wonderful news that you're getting this help - I do hope it goes really well for you. I really am sorry that I upset you the other day - that really was not my intention, but my words just did'nt come out right - I really did want to help you. I was very irritable with PMT at the time - never seem to recognise thats whats going on for me until after the event.
I'm so glad Demiguise is helping you - I read what she said and pinched myself for not being able to put things the way she does - always from a possitive viewpoint - she(?) really is very clever indeed and I do hope she knows how much shes appreciated round here.
Thats awesome that you are getting the MRI so soon - have to wait 4 weeks for urgent here - soon you will know and you can put your mind at rest - thats sure to help a whole lot.
Best wishes,
Sheila :-)
I'm so glad Demiguise is helping you - I read what she said and pinched myself for not being able to put things the way she does - always from a possitive viewpoint - she(?) really is very clever indeed and I do hope she knows how much shes appreciated round here.
Thats awesome that you are getting the MRI so soon - have to wait 4 weeks for urgent here - soon you will know and you can put your mind at rest - thats sure to help a whole lot.
Best wishes,
Sheila :-)
Thanks Demi, I guess I'll have a few brews tonight at work, and celebrate. Your funny, thanks for your support, your awesome!!
Don't be worried! Get out of the house & enjoy your major
break-through. You have a Dr that listens/injections for pain/
Topamax rx/C-spine order to see if there is a cause for hdaches
there. Don't go getting worried. Celebrate! Focus on the better
you may feel soon. Get copy of c-spine & post later. Stay on
track. Don't be one of those people that stubs their toe &
swears it's broke. Get out & treat yourself today.
break-through. You have a Dr that listens/injections for pain/
Topamax rx/C-spine order to see if there is a cause for hdaches
there. Don't go getting worried. Celebrate! Focus on the better
you may feel soon. Get copy of c-spine & post later. Stay on
track. Don't be one of those people that stubs their toe &
swears it's broke. Get out & treat yourself today.
Hi Demi, just returned from my appt at pain center for my migraines, they did 10 trigger point injections, using saline and B-12, have to go back in 3 weeks, the doc there feels that these feelings are coming from the migraines, she prescribed 25 mg Topamax, and I have to get a cervical MRI on Friday, so I'll be worried until the results come back from that. She said that the muscles are in spasms, and the injections should help, sometimes it takes a few sessions. I also am being prescribed a tens unit to use at home for a month. All the feelings are caused by hyperexcitability in my warped brain, and muscle tension. I hope the ZTopomax settles things down, I'm just not a pill person, and worry about the side effects. Take care!!
Don't want to bother you, but on the MRI script it says to R/O
HNP, do you know what that could mean? Thanks!!!
HNP, do you know what that could mean? Thanks!!!
oooooh brandy - wish I could have some - since taking this neurontin, one glass of wine & I'm falling over :-)
You are not a mental case. Just having problems like others w/
understanding how things work. Tactile Hallucinations are most
likely exactly what you're experiencing if it feels like things
are really crawling on you when triggered by clothing. Keep in
mind that is a physiological response, where your brain is just
possibly perceiving somethings there. 1/2 of .25 may be your
tolerance Dr suggested for specific reason, but I've never
heard of such a low dose doing anything. Ask Dr if .25 can be
used 2xday. If so, may feel light headed few days but you will
sleep better & the facial problems should lesson more. Ck. w/
Dr first though. Xanax was designed to help anxiety but it has
other off label uses. It is a smooth muscle relaxant. I have a
skull spasm that acts up & I take 1mg & it's gone in an hour.
It took getting use to & no one should take 1mg w/o slowly
ck'g side effects or for a trial. My condition is different
than yours but I get the added benefit of relieving the stress
or anxiety when spasm happens. A windy day can trigger small
fibers in brain to respond to receptors that trigger my
spasm. That is a physiological response. I can't stop the wind
so my 'sub' gets anxious. Sometimes I don't get spasm if I
just 'accept' a spasm to come. Brain gets board & I didn't need
the med. You need to get that c-spine though to rule out. Can't remember but didn't you have sinus thickening? That can do
weird things off/on that Xanax helps too. I take time ea. day
to do breathing. 4 counts slow through nose/hold 4 counts/
exhale 4 counts. Do a few times & you can lower pulse & get
more brain firing! Be positive & know that the computer is
putting tension on neck. Limit arching neck. Time will play out
things. Frustration is awful but it is triggering responses.
Try to get out more & enjoy a nice day. Gd-luck.
understanding how things work. Tactile Hallucinations are most
likely exactly what you're experiencing if it feels like things
are really crawling on you when triggered by clothing. Keep in
mind that is a physiological response, where your brain is just
possibly perceiving somethings there. 1/2 of .25 may be your
tolerance Dr suggested for specific reason, but I've never
heard of such a low dose doing anything. Ask Dr if .25 can be
used 2xday. If so, may feel light headed few days but you will
sleep better & the facial problems should lesson more. Ck. w/
Dr first though. Xanax was designed to help anxiety but it has
other off label uses. It is a smooth muscle relaxant. I have a
skull spasm that acts up & I take 1mg & it's gone in an hour.
It took getting use to & no one should take 1mg w/o slowly
ck'g side effects or for a trial. My condition is different
than yours but I get the added benefit of relieving the stress
or anxiety when spasm happens. A windy day can trigger small
fibers in brain to respond to receptors that trigger my
spasm. That is a physiological response. I can't stop the wind
so my 'sub' gets anxious. Sometimes I don't get spasm if I
just 'accept' a spasm to come. Brain gets board & I didn't need
the med. You need to get that c-spine though to rule out. Can't remember but didn't you have sinus thickening? That can do
weird things off/on that Xanax helps too. I take time ea. day
to do breathing. 4 counts slow through nose/hold 4 counts/
exhale 4 counts. Do a few times & you can lower pulse & get
more brain firing! Be positive & know that the computer is
putting tension on neck. Limit arching neck. Time will play out
things. Frustration is awful but it is triggering responses.
Try to get out more & enjoy a nice day. Gd-luck.
When I was reading about the tactile hallucinations, it said it could be because of neurological disorder, like MS, that I do worry about tremendously, with a normal brain MRI, would that not be the possible cause? And if these are hallucinations, why do they quit when I pull my shirt away from my skin? Why doesn't the bed sheets (flannel) cause these sensations when I go to bed, I never are awakened by these while sleeping, not if the tingling, these things are not painful at all. I did have a satiny shirt on the other night, and never felt the feelings, it seems that certain fabrics are also the culprit. Thanks!!
Sheila, your apology is accepted, I know you didn't mean anything by it, sometimes when your not feeling well, you say things or do things that you normally wouldn't, not meaning harm, it justs comes across this way. I am worried about the cervical MRI, but from the neuro said here, the facial tingling wouldn't come from a lesion in the cervical spine, I wonder if migraines could come from lesions on the spine, I asked the doc about the concerns of MS, she said that after 6-8 years, there would probably be lesions on the brain MRI, she doesn't think that its MS either. She is leaning to maybe a pinched/herniated disk, triggering the migraines, or muscular. I'm going to say lots of prayers. Take care, talk later, just got home from work, and I'm sleepy. Jen
Its me again, I heard of something called "tactile hallucinations", my understanding is that this can happen with mental disorders, migraines, neurological diseases, and epilepsy. Could this be the case with me, have you heard of this before?
Hi Demi, so we apeak again, thanks for posting, I said allodynia because that is the term that the neuro here said on one of my posts. I don't think that allodynia pertains to me, but since he used it, I figured I'd google a little. Are you saying that anxiety is causing these sensations, if so, its so, so hard to break this cycle, I truly believe I need some kind of counseling, the xanax, I only take 1/2 of a .25 mg, it does seem to take the edge off some, it definently helps with the facial tingling and ear pain, these sensations are so weird, and being it happens everyday, I worry then everyday. I'm glad that you responded, your very imformative, hope your feeling better these days. Thanks again, Demi!!!! Love and prayers, Jen
They do a 'brush & static test for Allodynia. People w/ it have
extreme pain/burning. No tickle-tickle. It does not relate at
all to your condition. As a test, since tickling skin is
paramount to you, shower or bathe & slather yourself in body
lotion & allow to soak in. In many cases, this can create a
barrier from clothing triggering skin fibers to react. I've been
reading the boards & everyone says they are sure that anxiety is
not a factor. Worrying alot comes from the conscious part of the
brain & anxiety is triggered from our sub-conscious. If your
'sub' says respond w/ an autonomic-thought, you can be anxious
w/o realizing it. When you are anxious, it is a proven test in
physiology (not psycology), that a chemical is released that
sends messages to cause inflammation/pain/mixed perception.
If you hurt, you will have anxiety coming from the subconscious.
Physiological pain is like phantom pain. Your foot is cut off
but you still feel it. You cannot control your whole body w/
thought alone. Speak to your Dr abt seeing a Physiologist to
separate your real pain from triggered stress. Not nuts & need
psychiatry! I think you mentioned you were trying Xanax? If
so, what dose? Maybe a slt higher dose would help. It works on
the subconscious level & relaxes small spasms. Gd-luck.
extreme pain/burning. No tickle-tickle. It does not relate at
all to your condition. As a test, since tickling skin is
paramount to you, shower or bathe & slather yourself in body
lotion & allow to soak in. In many cases, this can create a
barrier from clothing triggering skin fibers to react. I've been
reading the boards & everyone says they are sure that anxiety is
not a factor. Worrying alot comes from the conscious part of the
brain & anxiety is triggered from our sub-conscious. If your
'sub' says respond w/ an autonomic-thought, you can be anxious
w/o realizing it. When you are anxious, it is a proven test in
physiology (not psycology), that a chemical is released that
sends messages to cause inflammation/pain/mixed perception.
If you hurt, you will have anxiety coming from the subconscious.
Physiological pain is like phantom pain. Your foot is cut off
but you still feel it. You cannot control your whole body w/
thought alone. Speak to your Dr abt seeing a Physiologist to
separate your real pain from triggered stress. Not nuts & need
psychiatry! I think you mentioned you were trying Xanax? If
so, what dose? Maybe a slt higher dose would help. It works on
the subconscious level & relaxes small spasms. Gd-luck.
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