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Hiding food, lying, Abnormal Urination???

First here is a little background information. My husband has had full custody of his 11-year son (from a previous relationship) since he was 4.  For the last 2 years his son has been taking medication for ADD.  He is not hyperactive, he just has a really difficult time staying focussed.  I am beginning to become concerned about his self-esteem.  We praise him as much as we can, but it seems like he is always doing something he shouldn't be doing.  I have so much I want to ask so I will try to keep this short.  He has virtually no impulse control, to the point where we cannot buy certain foods because he will eat all of it in a matter of minutes, even after a full meal.  Then he will try to hide food wrappers, crumbs, apple cores, etc, under the couch or in his pockets so that my husband and I will not know.  Why does he behave so strangely about food?  When my husband and I confront him about it he has no answers for us.  I refuse to believe that he just cannot control himself...am I wrong?  We don't have strict rules about what he can and cannot eat, so why does he act like this?  My other question is why does he lie about trivial things?...even when he faces no potential
punishment, he lies about anything.  He doesn't have a door for his bedroom because he is so sneaky and dishonest that we cannot trust him
behind closed doors.  He stole my husband's laptop computer one night and hid it under his pillow.  There was another time when he got his video games
taken away for a week, as punishment.  I hid them in my car.  He would sneak into our room and get my keys and go out to my car to get his games and play them in the morning while we thought he was asleep.  This might all seem like normal behavior for a young boy, but I am starting to think there might be more serious issues we need to deal with.  My husband and I left him at home by himself while we went to the grocery store.  When we came back about 2 hours later I noticed he had eaten 2 pears, 2 pieces of ham, chocolate milk, cheese, and an entire package of salsa.  This was after we had just had dinner.  The most disturbing thing I found was two plastic cups (that we use as drinking cups) with a yellow substance in them.  It was urine.  I am so disturbed by this.  On the way home from school the next day, he admitted to my husband that he did urinate in the cups.  THough I am glad he was honest, I cannot help but wonder Why didn't he try to lie about this, when it seems
like he lies about everything else?  We had no intent of punishing him for this instance, we only wanted to find out why he did it and to make sure he realized how inappropriate it was. But we have not had the chance to talk to him because he
refused to come in the house from the car because he was embarrassed to see me.  After my husband told him that he had to come inside, he refused to walk across the yard to the house.  Long story short, he threw a tantrum (crying, refusing to get off the ground) like a toddler, then ran into the house and locked himself in his bathroom.
My husband thinks I am over-reacting, but I think he needs a therapist.  His bathroom is right next to the living room (where he urinated in the cups).  I am concerned because I think he is getting some sort of satisfaction out of doing/hiding things he knows he should not do.  What is next???  I feel like he is way behind his peers in terms of maturity and decision-making skills.  I think he needs a therapist.  Am I over-reacting??  How do we handle a child that is constantly making poor choices, and then having severe reactions (throwing fits, sobbing) when we simply confront him about it??  Is his ADD really a valid excuse for his behavior issues?  I am so upset about the urinating incident, and his subsequent tantrum, that I have not asked him why he did it.  SHould I ask him, or should I not bring it up?  Why do you think he did such a strange thing?  Is this as abnormal as I think it is?
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Wow! I thought we were totally alone in this. Sounds like my son exactly... right down to the lying and hiding food and now stealing husbands computer.

As someone did mention Reactive Detachment Disorder, I researched this and I really do believe my son has this. It makes total sense. His behavior has just progressivally gotten worse! Me and my husband are seriously thinking of divorcing because we have no idea what to do... and, it is putting a huge strain on us as a couple.

My son is only 5! What are the options?? Meds?? I do not want him on medication at 5 but, we are losing control and cannot live like this anymore. I believe if this behavior keeps on going that when he is 10 he will be completely out of control or even in kiddie jail or in trouble with the law.
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ADD:  There is a gland in our brain that produces a hormone that inhibits behavior. People with ADD do not produce this hormone, or they produce very little of it.
They literally have NO IMPULSE CONTROL....  that's the whole point.....
So they see food that they like......they eat and cannot stop. Some foods also are trigger foods,  some produce seratonin...  they can't stop themselves

He does something and he doesn't know why... he is smart enough to know he shouldn't have done it but he couldn't help it, so he lies!  

You don't expect a phsychiatrist to fix diabetes,   he needs the correct medicine... If what he is taking is not working keep taking him back to the doctor until he finds the correct medcine and the correct dosage....

ADHD is more complicated,  but consisstency and behavior mod work wonders.  Just understand that if you are not consistent, you are actually teaching him to misbehave!




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Our sons are very similar. My son is ten years old and we have been dealing with this for a long time now. He sneaks food into our family room everyday knowing there are consequences. He doesn't care. We have finally taken sweet things and have hidden them or have not even bought them anymore. I just found a bag of bagels in the couch cushion. I am so stressed and can understand what you are going through. My son was just diagnosed with ADHD.  My husband and I are separated because he is abusive to us. I think that is part of the reason why my son has anger problems. My husband is also very strict and it doesn't matter, he keeps doing it. He also peed in a garbage can in the bathroom twice around the same time in the last year. He is seeing counselor. I recommend it. He is building a good relationship with his counselor and I think that your son would benefit. Even if he says he doesn't want to go at first, after a few sessions with a good counselor for kids(ask around, find out who is the best in your area) he will warm up and want to go. They want to talk about their feelings, they just don't know how, at least not with us. Well gotta go. Good Luck and I will pray for you. Please respond. I think it is good to have someone that is going through the same thing to talk to.
God Bless!
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Hi There, I can relate to what you talking about. My stepson is also on medication and he is doing the same things as your child. He eats like he never saw food before. He eats until he cant even breathe. Then he blames me for giving him the food. When I try and limit him he shouts at me saying im starving him. All types of punishment doesn't work with him. We have tried everything. He is attending a clinical school and getting all the help. However nothing seems to be working at the moment. I would suggest you get him therapist. Good Luck
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I agree he's very angry. Children crave structure and structure are even more important when they have two homes. Take a deep breath he's not scrambled or "out there" he's just upset.

Make a list of the house rules and put them on the door or corkboard in your kitchen. Read the rules to him and explain what will happen if he breaks them.

He is in his own way screaming at you for structure makes children feel safe and secure, so give what he needs. Lay down the rules so he knows what's allowed and not allowed.

By peeing in the cups he was testing to see what is/isn't allowed.

When he breaks a rule give a time out, one minute for every year of his age. Give a warning first to give him a chance to calm down and correct his behavior. If he won't calm down

(you know when kids are being disrespectful or won't do what you asked they try to throw a fit or give you sass.)

Then set him in the time out spot. (Like a chair, special rug, steps whatever you use.)

Don't start the time out until he sits quietly on the chair or he thinks that he can act that way doing the time out and/or act naughty to get out of it.

He may try all sorts of tricks to get you to take him out of the timeout early even stuff like "I hate you!" "I'm sorry, I'M SORRY!" (screaming it)"

Do not engage it's just a ruse. He has to learn that he must be quite when on the time out spot and that the timeout won't start until he is.

He needs you to be the strong mama, you can do this show him you're in charge not him so he feels safe and secure. Loved.

After the time out is over Explain why he was in timeout and why it's wrong. Keep things simple and remember with ADHD kids the last thing you say is what he'll remember the best. So consider saying the "why" twice.

Now have him give you a hug/kiss and you the same all is forgiven and forgotten.

If you haven't done this kind of discipline before know that his behavior will get  1000% times worse as he's testing you to see if you will continue to do as you say. Don't give in he needs to know that when you say something (like a rule or a promise.) that you mean it.

It takes a couple of weeks with my son and his behavior has improved, along with him being way calmer. :D

Also get him into seeing a therapist having a neutral party to talk to and get how he feels off his chest will help him a lot.

Oh, I forgot, catch him when he's being good and reward him for things like playing quietly, picking up his toys, doing his chores, his homework stuff like that. Reinforce the behavior that you want.Ignore the bad if you can unless immediate action is required. (a bad word, running onto the street, hitting someone. Make a judgment call with this stuff.)

Stuff to ignore is when at home and he's screaming and throwing a tantrum and such.) Look up attention seeking behaviors in children.

Spend more time with him if you can, play with him for ten minuses or longer if possible. Play Legos, a board game, read a book together, go to the movies. Your time is what he wants and needs the most. Before you know it he'll be ten, then 15, then 20 ... Okay, you have work you're tired; he's important to you so show him. You sound like a good and loving mama. :D

You can do this! Good luck and stay strong!
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Oh I forgot My son has the WORST cas of ADHD that Range Mental has sever seen. If this works with him it should work for your boy. Just explain why it's not nice to hide food, and wrappers. Explain what honesty is and why you want him to tell you the truth above all else.

Explain that he'll get in way less (or no) trouble if he just tells you the truth instead of fibbing. (Hiding things is being sneaky and that's a way of fibbing without words.)

Don't shame him as that will just make things worse.
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I have a 10 y/o daughter with ADD exhibiting the same food hoarding behaviors, and has been for several years now. She has been seeing a therapist for over 2 years and a physiatrist for 1 year. She is on Concerta.  She hides the food she hasn't finished all over her room. It is very frustrating because she will not stop.She lies to me all the time about her room and weigher she has removed all the wrappers, food, dishes, and  containers. She does not pee in cups or anything like that. These are very old posts so I was wondering if anyone has found solutions and if as your children gotten older did they stop or turn to other obsessions like drugs and alcohol. That is what I am very worried about.
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If you're having this problem with your children/child, I may have a bit of insight into what's going on here.  I'm a 30 year old woman, and to this day, I exhibit a lot of these behaviors.  Sometimes I hide food, get caught, then lock myself in a room for days out of fear and embarassment.  Sometimes I stay awake into the wee hours of the morning and I will be so afraid of crossing the person/people I live with by waking them that I will pee in cups to avoid confrontation.
Why do I do these things?  There's usually two different reasons.  1) Because I'm miserable.  If I'm miserable I might self medicate.  That could be on anything.  From food to make up to booze, I binge.  If I feel like I have to hide whatever I'm binging on, I feel ashamed, so I isolate when I do them and sometimes hide the evidence in strange places.  2) I'm afraid.  I was beat for being caught for things like this growing up.  If I wasn't getting beaten for it, I was being belittled, intimidated and screamed at.  Now that I'm an adult, I see the same patterns.  The threats may not be as severe as a beating, but they terrify me nonetheless.  
Your children are afraid of something/someone.
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I am going through the same types of behavior. We just took in a teen boy 3 years ago. He is now 14 yearrs old. He has anger issues. I am so afraid that he is going to hurt my two girls. He sneaks food and hides it in his room. I have recently went to take a bath and there was pee along the the top of the tub. The toilet was right there and he decided he was going to be from the outside the tub to the inside the tub. He gets into these rage moods where he is hitting at the walls. I have no idea what to do for him anymore. It is causing so much disruption in our home. He lies all the time as well.
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I am going through the same stuff with my son. Since this was posted so long ago I'd really like to know what has happened since and how they are doing today. Everyday is so hard and I am at the point know where I just don't know what else I can do. With sneaking food, it hasn't happened as much but he goes to football practice after school and doesn't get home until 7 some nights. I found a cup with pee in it in his room this morning. He of course showed no remorse.
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I am embarrassed well was so ashamed I am having the same issue in my home. This is so difficult to deal with to the point to where you can't even talk to anyone because they just don't understand. Then there is everyone saying "oh he's a growing boy.' I knew deep down inside it would become bigger issues as he got older and it has. This is so difficult to deal with. Not only is he stealing food and lying about it, I have too found cups in the past with urine also. Now that he is in middle school he has now moved on to electronic devices but the food is still the issue, that is how I found this site. I found 4 bowls in a drawer tonight. He has stolen a cell phone from school( as he has one) he has stolen a Nook from a family member(the day after christmas, not to mention he had a nice one) and another cell phone which did not even work9 but it was a knock off IPhone). I have found them all and luckily I was able to return to the school and they found the owners(due to my investagating skills) He sees a therapist also and is on Concerta, come to find out he lied to the therapist for the first month. Don't know what to do. All of the comments were helpful, honeslty I tried almost all of them. Likewise his father was on drugs also as i found out after I was told I was pregnant..we had separated 1month prior due to dad "crazy behaviors" Whenever I say I believe it was the drugs his fathers was on people say "I'm just being that way cause it wasn't a nice separation.' I too just would like to talk to someone in this situation. Again thanks for sharing  I know this was a few years ago but I am in the exact same situation. Very concern mother.
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I am embarrassed well was so ashamed I am having the same issue in my home. This is so difficult to deal with to the point to where you can't even talk to anyone because they just don't understand. Then there is everyone saying "oh he's a growing boy.' I knew deep down inside it would become bigger issues as he got older and it has. This is so difficult to deal with. Not only is he stealing food and lying about it, I have too found cups in the past with urine also. Now that he is in middle school he has now moved on to electronic devices but the food is still the issue, that is how I found this site. I found 4 bowls in a drawer tonight. He has stolen a cell phone from school( as he has one) he has stolen a Nook from a family member(the day after christmas, not to mention he had a nice one) and another cell phone which did not even work9 but it was a knock off IPhone). I have found them all and luckily I was able to return to the school and they found the owners(due to my investagating skills) He sees a therapist also and is on Concerta, come to find out he lied to the therapist for the first month. Don't know what to do. All of the comments were helpful, honeslty I tried almost all of them. Likewise his father was on drugs also as i found out after I was told I was pregnant..we had separated 1month prior due to dad "crazy behaviors" Whenever I say I believe it was the drugs his fathers was on people say "I'm just being that way cause it wasn't a nice separation.' I too just would like to talk to someone in this situation. Again thanks for sharing  I know this was a few years ago but I am in the exact same situation. Very concern mother.
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This really caught my attention because my teenage daughter, who has ADD is doing all of this..compulsive lying, peeing in cups and hiding them in her room, food, wrappers  all hidden in her room and now compulsive masterbating..I am at my wits end and do not know what to do so she will just not do these things anymore..HELP!
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I have an 8 year old daughter and we are going through the same thing.. It is like you guys are describing our daughter. I would love to speak with you guys as well as I am dumb founded as what to do.  My email is ***@****.

Best,
Christy
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I have a step grand-daughter with all these issues. Please google  - reactive attachment disorder -
I hope this answers your questions and brings you sweet relief. A word of advice.... when looking for a counselor call foster agency's or adoption agency's as they will know the right doctors who are expert in this disorder. As you research, all things should make sense, including the change of care-givers as a boy. Good luck.
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my 7 year old stepson is similar except he knows he will lose everything but a mattress if he pees in my cups. I have no idea why your stepson does this. My husband's ex was doing a lot of drugs during the birth of Velvet (my stepson) and he is a little monster. His daddy says that he is only acting out because we have a new baby (7 week old) but Velvet has been like this since i meet him and that was about 4 years ago. I know he loves me but I don't think he likes me. He writes on my wall, lies about everything under the sun, provokes me 2 where i wanna whoop his little butt and his daddy just stand there with this goofy look on his face saying that he doesn't understand and that it is not his fault.Velvet has sever ADHD he hasn't been diagnosed with it yet but I honestly believe it 2 be so.Good luck hope u find an answer
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My 13 year-old son has the same problems minus the ADD.  I found it helpful to write the serving size on all package foods.  I told him, I didn't care if he snacked as long as he only limited himself to one serving.  I taught him how to read nutrition labels.  Its taken about a year but he now measures his milk before he drinks it, counts out a serving size of pretzels, etc.  I still do not purchase any candies, cookies, or high fat snacks as I know that is too much temptation and he will relapse to stealing and hiding food.  
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My ex-husband did the food hoarding thing throughout our marriage.  He took Ritalin as a child for ADHD (but they called it ADD back then).  I used to find bags of chocolate chips on top of the laundry soap, potato chips shoved in with the video tapes (yes- this was before DVD's) and never mind that he'd pack a lunch every day but I'd still find Wendy's receipts in his pockets.   He was about 100 lbs overweight.  He also demonstrated a lot of OCD-type behaviors, like having to drive back home to check that he locked the front door, or turned off the iron or the coffee pot.  To cope I just bought stuff that shut off by itself so he didn't have to worry about it.  He was also obssessive about off-the wall things, and was extremely afraid of death- yeah, we're ALL afraid of death, but not to the extent that it inferferes with our lives.  As a child he would run through neighbors' houses naked, slit open the living room couch pillows and threw the feathers all through the house.  His family would tell these stories like they were hilarious, and they are kind of funny 30 years after the fact, but they really should have gotten him help.  He used to memorize everyone's license plates in the neighborhood.  He's also very nervous and jerky and cannot make eye contact with anyone.  When he got into his late teens and early twenties he would binge drink and didn't quit until his liver enzymes were high and he got scared.  Luckily he's always been able to hold a decent job and support himself, but it's more difficult for him to land a job because his social skills are not up to snuff and he seems a little odd when you first meet him.  

Keep in mind that you may need to go through a LOT of psychiatrists before you find one that does your son any good.  You may have to plough through a dozen of them until you find the right one.  Make some more phone calls and move on to someone else.  You don't want his boy to remain this way into adulthood.  Did I mention this story was about my EX-husband?  Enough said.
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My 12 year old has Aspergers/ADHD/Memory/Sensory and he does the eat bread and leave crusts behind tv cabinet, shelving unit, under couch, etc....and he just peed in the bathroom garbage...Why oh why?

The taking food and stashing it...is normal boy behaviour.

This leaving food everywhere....drives me nuts.

This peeing is gross!

What is next?
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My seven year old son has the same issues with stealing food. His room has so many hidingplaces filled with food wrappers He takes medication for ADHD and aggression. Also he has issues with using the bathroom. In my sons case he would rather just pull his privates out in public and pee in front of anyone. My son has behavior issues and has been seeing a physhiatrist since he was 5. So far things are getting worse. I have had to pull him out of school and put him in homeschool for violent behavior and truency. I am afraid for my other 2 younger daughters who are constantly being hurt by him as well as my son for fear that he will escalate and find himself in real trouble. If anyone knows what I am going through please let me know and I welcome any advice.
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My son does that with food dunno why if you find out let me know!!
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man,  i thought i was alone in this ordeal....my stepson is in the same boat....i would love some more input on how everyone's children are doing.  i'm considering psych counseling for mine.
thanks,
michelle
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I really need to talk to you through e-mail I just posted myself and my 8-year old daughter sounds just like your little boy. We have gotten no relief from doctors or Psychologists and we really need someone who is going through the same thing. My daughter eats just like your sone she even leaves wrappers everywhere. She would sneak out of her room in the very early morning while we were all still asleep and sneak food back to her room. She had a small Dora vanity in her room when she was 3 and 4 years old that she would Poop and pee in and when I talked to her pediatrician he simply said it was potty training issues. Tha docotrs just keep telling me she is a growing girl and maybe she really is still hungry and that is why she needs to steal food. It has gotten so bad she is stealing food from teachers and classmates and taking it on the school bus to eat. She also pees alot way more than normal. Please if you feel comfortable will you give me your e-mail so we can talk more throughly. Thank you so much!      Anna
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WOW! There are so many issues here that I don't really believe that I or you can deal with without a lot of help. And I think it will take some time.

I see the pee cup (glad you found that one) as an act of anger.

He is no gourmet, but when you eat for quantity it doesn't matter.  I believe that unconcsiously he is eating to raise his blood sugar so high that it changes his feelings well being. Does he sleep after binging?

I suspect that he has no earthly idea why he is so angry or eating or failing or whatever else is gone wrong. There is something(s) that is definitely wrong and he can't tell you anymore than I can. Demanding answers from him will do none of you any good. If he cannot tell you it will only make his hostility worse.

You need professional help, without any doubts from me.

Has his blood work for ADD meds levels been done recently?


I hope you all can decompress and try to have a happy Christmas

Best of Luck
Snooper35
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