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Chlamydia has an origin, so where is the origin?
It seems rather presumptive to me that a doctor can simply say that a bacteria is passed along via sexual intercourse, but this doctor does not have the knowledge to explain the origin of a bacterial disease such as Chlamydia.
These diseases just don't happen, there has to be an origination somewhere. The gods don't just say one day, well I think we'll infect someone with Chlamydia today and see what happens. Bacteria comes from the earth, just like we did, so where is the does this particular bacterium originate?
Sure Chlamydia is 1000's of years old and passed in humans sexually, but it is also carried by Cats, Dogs, Birds, etc. There are different strains of Chlamydia that can cause pneumonia, or other area's of the body to be affected, including the eyes.
It's pretty bad when there is no ability with our technologies to trace the origin of a bacterium that is prevalent in more than just human beings. It's also fairly ignorant of a Doctor to simply say, it's caught via sexual intercourse.
It doesn't matter how much education you think you have, if you lack the ability to continually learn and evolve your understanding of the world around you, you're either arrogant or ignorant.
Now if someone asks a doctor a question and the only answer they can give is that it's an STD, there's a problem and that Doctor needs a little more education.
This discussion is related to Chlamydia.
These diseases just don't happen, there has to be an origination somewhere. The gods don't just say one day, well I think we'll infect someone with Chlamydia today and see what happens. Bacteria comes from the earth, just like we did, so where is the does this particular bacterium originate?
Sure Chlamydia is 1000's of years old and passed in humans sexually, but it is also carried by Cats, Dogs, Birds, etc. There are different strains of Chlamydia that can cause pneumonia, or other area's of the body to be affected, including the eyes.
It's pretty bad when there is no ability with our technologies to trace the origin of a bacterium that is prevalent in more than just human beings. It's also fairly ignorant of a Doctor to simply say, it's caught via sexual intercourse.
It doesn't matter how much education you think you have, if you lack the ability to continually learn and evolve your understanding of the world around you, you're either arrogant or ignorant.
Now if someone asks a doctor a question and the only answer they can give is that it's an STD, there's a problem and that Doctor needs a little more education.
This discussion is related to Chlamydia.
As a matter of fact, some interesting new facts about chlamydia (and some old but forgotten facts as well) have recently come to light. Rather than extending such an old thread that not many users will read, consider briefly summarizing this thread and your thoughts and start a new thread, and I'll have some comments about it.
Wow, what an interesting exchange. However it remains unclear as to why some responders are so defensive about questions that obviously defy the overly simplistic answer that chlamydia is just an STD that came from someone else. It doesn't make rational sense that EVERYONE who believes they are in a monogamous relationship has been lied to. There have to be some conditions that have yet to be discovered. This can be and is for many a very traumatic and life changing experience, otherwise good relationships are dissolved over it. There appears to be insufficient research to negate alternate possibilities of the development of chlamydia. Rare though it may be just as certain DNA mixes create the conditions for some birth defects and immune deficiencies, perhaps there are unknown conditions that create an environment conducive to the growth and development of chlamydia. Clearly we know and science can support how the disease is transmitted yet to posit that this is the ONLY way for it to develop seems unrealistic. Perhaps as stated earlier it is just not profitable to investigate. Chlamydia may not be terminal and debilitating like many serious diseases but that does not diminish the devastating effects it has in countless lives. Maybe more conversations like these will spark further research.
Many of the other diseases you speak of don't hold social consequences, so are much easier to just treat. Something that affects your personal, social life causes much more questions..it's a need to know..not too hard to understand
This an interesting exchange. However, there are many scientifically nonsensical comments that display ignorance about evolution and the science behind it. Pretty much the same questions could be asked about every bacteria or virus that causes human disease: chlamydia, TB, staph, HSV, malaria, influenza, syphilis, anthrax, and on and on. Virtually all disease-causing agents evolved as humans themselves evolved, with each influencing the other's evolution to arrive at current symptoms, complications, routes of transmission, and so on.
how did the first human catch chlamydia ? did some one have sex with a animal ? being it it a bacteria can i sit on the ground bear *** and catch it if the bacteria is lying there?can a dog pass it throw one of thows awkward greetings that dogs always do and maybe a woman without panties get licked can she catch it that way ? and if it is a simple cure why havent thay gave everyboby on the planet a pill and eradicated it all?
Yes my man I believe the question everyone wants an answer to is this, if chlamydia can only be contracted by sexual transmission from someone that already has it, then how did the first person to contract it do so? It had to originate somewhere and it wasn't "from someone that already had it" you know what I mean?
Hi, folks,
It may not be immediately apparent, but the original post in this thread is several years old and it appears that all viewpoints on this issue have been presented. Since the purpose of this forum is prevention of STDs, including chlamydia, and a circular debate on its origins isn't likely to further the purpose, we're closing this discussion to further posts. If you'd like to post a question about your own situation, please do so by starting a new thread. Thank you!
Claire
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It may not be immediately apparent, but the original post in this thread is several years old and it appears that all viewpoints on this issue have been presented. Since the purpose of this forum is prevention of STDs, including chlamydia, and a circular debate on its origins isn't likely to further the purpose, we're closing this discussion to further posts. If you'd like to post a question about your own situation, please do so by starting a new thread. Thank you!
Claire
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The best professional answer to give to this question if someone who claim to be a professional doctor or a master in biology, or Phd, is "we don't have enough information as to to where it originated from" then to said someone else information is false but yet fail to provide anyone with an accurate enough answer but claim to be a professional in what you do for a living, but y'all lable one as being ignorant because they came up with maybe the best scenario that which you have no answer for..... THAT'S CRAZY! Lmmfao....
You either had a false positive or your bf slept with someone else.
Jessyjames. We know its an std.....but HOW does one get it?? Ok, its passed through sex. How did the first person get it? Thats what we are trying to find out. Especially one that is not sexually active or with couples that are faithful to one another for years. And VANCE is not answering anything....simple as that. Explain this. I was a virgin, so was my boyfriend at the time. We had sex and we both got chlamydia. We've only been with one another. How did we get it??????
ANNND, Kestrel_eye I know that sometimes taking anti-biotics can actually cause a vaginal/fungal disease. Partial Big Pharma cover-up? Probably! They are the only ones with enough money to care to fund a research project that would look for the origins of chlymidia. But why fund a research project when part of the problem could be a product the pharmacutical companys are producing?
Sry Jessy I disagree. The origins must be important. And the reason being If Chlymidya where eradicated from the face of the earth (like small pox supposably has been presumed in 2011), would the disease manifest itself in humans through sexual contact again organically? Or would the disease have been wiped out?
If it would reappear on its own obviously it has origins, and I feel they would be important to understand. If not it was obviously only spread through an infected host individual through sexual contact.
Who's to say there isnt something already present in the penis or vagina and It could fest into chlymidia and reappear? Or we all maybe have a bacteria inside of us and when a series of events within us create the right conditions we can get/spread chlymidia? We all have cells within us, that may or may not mutate into cancer, perhaps its similar.
I honestly don't feel that saying it is spread through sexual contact is a good enough explination of anything, to dismiss claims of individuals where sexual contact is non evident in there personal case with the disease, or in cases where the couples were NOT INFECTED PRIOR to their monagamous relationships or polygamous relationships with trusted partners.
I understand your side of the argument but there is obviously a opposing side to this argument being completly overlooked, because an explination cannot be given where individuals are infected but abstinent from sexual relations and cases where neither partner is infected but the disease has appeared in the individuals.
Btw, The World Health Organization estimates that only 500,000 vials of smallpox vaccine are currently being stored (basically no one in the world at this time is vaccinated against smallpox anymore. An outbreak in this day in age could quickly become a pandemic.)
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If it would reappear on its own obviously it has origins, and I feel they would be important to understand. If not it was obviously only spread through an infected host individual through sexual contact.
Who's to say there isnt something already present in the penis or vagina and It could fest into chlymidia and reappear? Or we all maybe have a bacteria inside of us and when a series of events within us create the right conditions we can get/spread chlymidia? We all have cells within us, that may or may not mutate into cancer, perhaps its similar.
I honestly don't feel that saying it is spread through sexual contact is a good enough explination of anything, to dismiss claims of individuals where sexual contact is non evident in there personal case with the disease, or in cases where the couples were NOT INFECTED PRIOR to their monagamous relationships or polygamous relationships with trusted partners.
I understand your side of the argument but there is obviously a opposing side to this argument being completly overlooked, because an explination cannot be given where individuals are infected but abstinent from sexual relations and cases where neither partner is infected but the disease has appeared in the individuals.
Btw, The World Health Organization estimates that only 500,000 vials of smallpox vaccine are currently being stored (basically no one in the world at this time is vaccinated against smallpox anymore. An outbreak in this day in age could quickly become a pandemic.)
Have a great Day! :D
am I the only one that feels like Doctors are cover up for this "bacteria"?
you got it from some one else because they have it is not an answer.
well were did they get it from? and so on..
an answer would be; you got cancer because your white blood cells cant fight off the disease, and from the Carcinogens in the cigarettes you smoke.
I also think this is not soley a STD, there are too many cases that say otherwise.
I have had a similar situation. where I am in a monogamous relationship of 6 years. and every year i get tested has been normal...except this past year. I know what I didnt do, and i trust my partner completely. Although i must admit it does raise questions. I want to know the origin, because I love my partner and i want to believe he has done right by me. and anyone in this situation would want to know if there are other ways to contract this bacteria. simply for the sake of there relationship if nothing else.
I care and I know others care of the origins of this Bactria for the same reason. so when you say "who cares?" well apparently a lot of people care.
and I am one of them.
and maybe thats worth researching it a bit differently then just as an STD.
I think it is at least worth a try, considering there are quite a few cases that believe there partners.
you got it from some one else because they have it is not an answer.
well were did they get it from? and so on..
an answer would be; you got cancer because your white blood cells cant fight off the disease, and from the Carcinogens in the cigarettes you smoke.
I also think this is not soley a STD, there are too many cases that say otherwise.
I have had a similar situation. where I am in a monogamous relationship of 6 years. and every year i get tested has been normal...except this past year. I know what I didnt do, and i trust my partner completely. Although i must admit it does raise questions. I want to know the origin, because I love my partner and i want to believe he has done right by me. and anyone in this situation would want to know if there are other ways to contract this bacteria. simply for the sake of there relationship if nothing else.
I care and I know others care of the origins of this Bactria for the same reason. so when you say "who cares?" well apparently a lot of people care.
and I am one of them.
and maybe thats worth researching it a bit differently then just as an STD.
I think it is at least worth a try, considering there are quite a few cases that believe there partners.
Me and my partner have been together for about 5 years we have a daughter who is 3 and were expecting our second child in June two weeks ago we thought she lost the water but turns out she hadn't but they swabed her and later found out she had chlamydia she was so upset I received the call at work accusing me of all kinds I was shocked I didn't know what to do apart from defend myself I explained I hadn't cheated I could never do that to her and I know. She hasn't cheated on me. Is it possible for us or me to have caught it from my last relationship as both of my 2 previous relationships the both cheated on me IV never been tested untilled this week where I was confirmed to have it. I was expecting to as she had it. My current partner have one child already but we don't think she was tested for our first and as we only found out with the second in 20 week stage she didn't go through everything that we did with our first child. But IV also got a child with one of my ex so my question is could I of caught it off my ex and passed it to my current partner without known and most importantly could of any of our children have it. Please help just for peace of mind. My email is ***@**** name si
thanks in advance
thanks in advance
Bacteria has been on earth for billions of years. Chlamydia has been around longer than anyone can and will know. Simple as that.
ptdesired1626 you so far provided the only answer that possibly goes some way towards answering what I and the original asker believe to be an interesting question
yes we all know the bacterium is passed from one person to another via sexual contact and must be treated with antibiotics....blah blah blah
but where does the bacterium originally come from ?
its a bit like someone asking: yes i know i get salmonella food poisoning by eating food infected with the salmonella bacterium, but where does this bacterium originate from ?...only to be answered over and over again with: "oh im sorry to tell you this but you ate food infected with the bacterium and thats that....why do you want to know ?....who cares ?..."
so does anyone hear have knowledge that adds credence to or totally rubbishes the idea that as part of the natural fauna of the vagina there exists bacteria that should certain conditions arise they change/mutate somehow into the harmful chlamydia trachomatis we all know and love ?
yes we all know the bacterium is passed from one person to another via sexual contact and must be treated with antibiotics....blah blah blah
but where does the bacterium originally come from ?
its a bit like someone asking: yes i know i get salmonella food poisoning by eating food infected with the salmonella bacterium, but where does this bacterium originate from ?...only to be answered over and over again with: "oh im sorry to tell you this but you ate food infected with the bacterium and thats that....why do you want to know ?....who cares ?..."
so does anyone hear have knowledge that adds credence to or totally rubbishes the idea that as part of the natural fauna of the vagina there exists bacteria that should certain conditions arise they change/mutate somehow into the harmful chlamydia trachomatis we all know and love ?
ptdesired1626 you so far provided the only answer that possibly goes some way towards answering what I and the original asker believe to be an interesting question
yes we all know the bacterium is passed from one person to another via sexual contact and must be treated with antibiotics....blah blah blah
but where does the bacterium originally come from ?
its a bit like someone asking: yes i know i get salmonella food poisoning by eating food infected with the salmonella bacterium, but where does this bacterium originate from ?...only to be answered over and over again with: "oh im sorry to tell you this but you ate food infected with the bacterium and thats that....why do you want to know ?....who cares ?..."
so does anyone here have knowledge that adds credence to or totally rubbishes the idea that as part of the natural fauna of the vagina there exists bacteria that, should certain conditions arise, change/mutate somehow into the harmful chlamydia trachomatis that we all know and love ?
yes we all know the bacterium is passed from one person to another via sexual contact and must be treated with antibiotics....blah blah blah
but where does the bacterium originally come from ?
its a bit like someone asking: yes i know i get salmonella food poisoning by eating food infected with the salmonella bacterium, but where does this bacterium originate from ?...only to be answered over and over again with: "oh im sorry to tell you this but you ate food infected with the bacterium and thats that....why do you want to know ?....who cares ?..."
so does anyone here have knowledge that adds credence to or totally rubbishes the idea that as part of the natural fauna of the vagina there exists bacteria that, should certain conditions arise, change/mutate somehow into the harmful chlamydia trachomatis that we all know and love ?
It's simple, one person has to have it.
OK so if two people having sex don't have it then how do the person who has it get it damn y'all right people make this **** hard to ******* understand
"The notion that "the bacteria that causes chlamydia lives in the vagina and when conditions are right for the bacteria to fest it then turns into the list of symptoms associated with chlamydia" is completely wrong. If this were the case then every women would eventually have chalmydia"
I'm not saying there is a bacteria that causes chlamydia that lives in the vagina but if there was, Not knowing what these hypothetical conditions are that would cause it to fest, you can't say that every women would get it.
Personally I'm not interested in the beginning origins of this disease but am curious as to whether chlamydia or other labelled stds can develop in someone without sexual contact.
I wonder if there has ever been any research to see if the clap could or has manifested without sexual transmission? Has the medical community concluded that its purely a std only because thats the far more common source of the disease? I'm leaning towards no, but thats based only on what current medical theory believes and the fact i have no scientific knowledge of it myself.
I'm not saying there is a bacteria that causes chlamydia that lives in the vagina but if there was, Not knowing what these hypothetical conditions are that would cause it to fest, you can't say that every women would get it.
Personally I'm not interested in the beginning origins of this disease but am curious as to whether chlamydia or other labelled stds can develop in someone without sexual contact.
I wonder if there has ever been any research to see if the clap could or has manifested without sexual transmission? Has the medical community concluded that its purely a std only because thats the far more common source of the disease? I'm leaning towards no, but thats based only on what current medical theory believes and the fact i have no scientific knowledge of it myself.
Well, I got married exactly one year ago, six months in we were seperated. I had a one-nite stand, then my husband and I got back together. He pressured me into confessing about my boytoy while we had been separated. For 6 months now he constantly accuse me of being a cheater and liar. But I am not either. Yesterday he tested positive for chlamydia at a routine visit. I do not believe that he has ever cheated on me, yet he constantly thinks that about me, but I dont. I did some research and the CDC says that about 80% of all women with Chlamydia do not know, and will have no symptoms until detrimental things began to happen due to stages of the disease. For me to have carried this disease for 6 months and not so much as have an itch, that is very scary. I must go and get tested/treatment myself, like first thing in the morning. I'm scared of having a disease that could have lasting effects that could have been prevented. I am also afraid that my husband will look at this as proof for all the accusations of me being a current cheater. No I have not stepped outside of our relationship since we reconciled six months ago. Yes I did have unprotected sex with my boytoy six months ago before my husband decided he wanted to reconcile with me. I know he is going to leave me for sure now. As I look back over the past year and all we've been through, I do not wish that I would have used a condom; I wish i would have rejected the urge to enibriate myself, giving my body to a man I knew I did not love, and did not love me. Had I known what I know now, I would have just waited for my husband to come back to me.
People people lets get our thoughts together here. Reason this out, really.
I am a medical student at the University of California. But **** that doesn't mean anything, as a masters in biology doesn't mean anything either, what really counts is how you have established your ethos, that's the truth (Dr. HHH and Hook I think have the best say in something they are experts in), also I've meet PhD's who are also total quacks, so really it not the title. I hope this is clear in what I am saying.
And I am sorry but ptdesired1626, I see why your doctor parted with you.
Chalmydia is a bacteria that is aquired through sex. Period. If you were to ask me "what is the origin of my infection" I would say, "well you got it by sex from an infected person".
As far as long long time ago origins ? Really!?! ---that should not be our concern.
New strains of bacteria originate over thousands of years, little by little, by genetic drift, or sometimes genetic shift (like H1N1 did in a matter of months). I guess research is still unsure though to prove this. But the DNA from the bacteria must have evolved by gentic drift making this new virulent strain over thousands of years ago.
The notion that "the bacteria that causes chlamydia lives in the vagina and when conditions are right for the bacteria to fest it then turns into the list of symptoms associated with chlamydia" is completely wrong. If this were the case then every women would eventually have chalmydia, and this is cearly not the case. There is NO vaginal flora that causes chlamydia. We need not to worry about the origins of chlamydia but to prevent it. The way you do this is use protection, or abstain from sex. Its an STD for crying out loud.
I am a medical student at the University of California. But **** that doesn't mean anything, as a masters in biology doesn't mean anything either, what really counts is how you have established your ethos, that's the truth (Dr. HHH and Hook I think have the best say in something they are experts in), also I've meet PhD's who are also total quacks, so really it not the title. I hope this is clear in what I am saying.
And I am sorry but ptdesired1626, I see why your doctor parted with you.
Chalmydia is a bacteria that is aquired through sex. Period. If you were to ask me "what is the origin of my infection" I would say, "well you got it by sex from an infected person".
As far as long long time ago origins ? Really!?! ---that should not be our concern.
New strains of bacteria originate over thousands of years, little by little, by genetic drift, or sometimes genetic shift (like H1N1 did in a matter of months). I guess research is still unsure though to prove this. But the DNA from the bacteria must have evolved by gentic drift making this new virulent strain over thousands of years ago.
The notion that "the bacteria that causes chlamydia lives in the vagina and when conditions are right for the bacteria to fest it then turns into the list of symptoms associated with chlamydia" is completely wrong. If this were the case then every women would eventually have chalmydia, and this is cearly not the case. There is NO vaginal flora that causes chlamydia. We need not to worry about the origins of chlamydia but to prevent it. The way you do this is use protection, or abstain from sex. Its an STD for crying out loud.
hello,
I want to ask is chalmydia develop in women's body?? Is it born there?
Or like you can only catch it?
I want to ask is chalmydia develop in women's body?? Is it born there?
Or like you can only catch it?
Okay I would like to add a comment from what STAR7 has stated, and I too feel what you are saying because I myself was just faced with this scenario. The major difference being that my ex has been with more people in the past than me - him being my second partner. However after being together for 1.5yrs I found out a week ago I had Chlamydia he is still waiting for his results because I almost lost it when the doctor told me this. The best part fo all this is I do not understand how we now find out we have this after being together for 1.5yrs when we both have been tested regularly including a test a few months before being sexually active with one another in addition to tests after.
So now for my question, how is it that 2 people who are careful about being tested get "negative STD" results prior to and after being together, BOTH are faithful & have not cheated-aside from most doctors acting like assholes assuming someone cant keep it in their pants, how have I tested positive for this??? Are both of our doctors not capable of testing us correctly a number of times to go a year and a half with each other & be told we are fine when in fact we are not?
With all doctors get paid answering a ? like where the bacteria associated with chlamydia comes from is a small price to pay for the lifestyles they live- this is their job to COMFORT & EDUCATE THEIR PATIENTS.
& some of you may not think most patients ask where othere illnesses originate from however you underestimate the intelligence of your clients & it is not wise to do this.
So now for my question, how is it that 2 people who are careful about being tested get "negative STD" results prior to and after being together, BOTH are faithful & have not cheated-aside from most doctors acting like assholes assuming someone cant keep it in their pants, how have I tested positive for this??? Are both of our doctors not capable of testing us correctly a number of times to go a year and a half with each other & be told we are fine when in fact we are not?
With all doctors get paid answering a ? like where the bacteria associated with chlamydia comes from is a small price to pay for the lifestyles they live- this is their job to COMFORT & EDUCATE THEIR PATIENTS.
& some of you may not think most patients ask where othere illnesses originate from however you underestimate the intelligence of your clients & it is not wise to do this.
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