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Jul 21, 2014 - 24 comments

Has anyone had any luck going dairy free? I thought it was gonna be relatively easy, but it's friggin harder then I thought.

My doctor said to go dairy free for 2 weeks to see if we can figure out my tummy troubles. In the meantime I have to do blood work and stool samples.

I'm not sure if I can drink lactose free milk. But I've come to the realization I can't even have ice cream, cheese etc....

Blech! This is gonna be a long 2 weeks!

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by Shannon79, Jul 22, 2014
Ugh! I couldn't even have cream in my coffee this morning!

Although if one good thing came from it, I didn't put sugar in my coffee either. Lactose free milk and no sugar. Maybe I can shed some pounds doing this at the same time.

I just have to keep repeating to myself "I can do this. I can do this"

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by weaver71, Jul 22, 2014
Going dairy free is easier if you get enough omega fatty acids and amino acids. I know lots of vegans, the tendency is to switch to soy, too hard to digest. If you take flax or fish oil and amino acids, your craving shouldn't be as bad. As for wanting the taste, sorry, you just have to live without it. I have learned a great deal about why we crave things and addiction or dependency happens with anything we consume in the bodies search for stability. We are dependent on our needs and get addicted to our wants. If you get the nutrients elsewhere, your body won't care it, only your wants and desires in the mental game will be left. You can do this, you can do this, it will improve the rest of your life.

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by Shannon79, Jul 22, 2014
Yes weaver I think a lot of it is psychological and craving. I've had dairy for so long, that it's a hard habit to break. Just like smoking.

I didn't know if I should go to lactose free or soya milk. So I opted to try lactose free first. I didn't realize soya was hard to digest. That's good to know. I did a little research on it, and it did say to start a calcium and vitamin D supplement because you miss these not having dairy.

What about something like almond milk?

I didn't realize it was gonna be so tricky. Especially when you start reading labels and things that you wouldn't think have milk in them have "modified milk ingredients".

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by weaver71, Jul 22, 2014
Almond milk is great for nutrition, but doesn't satisfy the taste craving. I starved myself of fat and D vitamin wandering in the wilderness years ago. It took a long time to record. I ate a stick of butter and it tasted like candy. Just like drugs, the longer our bodies go without something, the easier it gets. Your body starts making it's own juice or makes you crave what it needs. Our body/mind cooperation is truly miraculous and amazingly efficient. Whey in milk is some of the best amino acids source out there, so if that is your main source of tryptophan, seretonin, dopamine, etc..., you can see how one could crave it just as much as any drug. I have almonds sitting on the table in a bowl always. I use them to never get my blood sugar too out of wack. 3-5 nuts can hold me over to make a meal or a smoothie. Also, rather than looking for healthy hot dogs, I searched for new tastes to crave instead. I think of sipping coffee as kid, yuck! But I developed a taste for that which made me feel good. I did the same thing with tempeh, Spirulina, seaweed, and many things that are good for me, but had to take time to for the craving. Once my body ft the effects long enough, it craves those things.

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by Shannon79, Jul 22, 2014
To a certain point yes it's taste. (Black coffee tastes absolutely horrible). But I actually found that the coffee with lactose free milk and no sugar didn't taste all that bad. I think that may be an easy transition.

It's the not eating ice cream, chocolate, cheese that I'm gonna find difficult.

And I've never really been much of a label reader, so that's an adjustment too.

It will come. It's just gonna take more planning, more label reading and just being more cautious of what I eat

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by weaver71, Jul 22, 2014
It sounds like a bit of a sugar addiction as well. If you crave sweet dairy, try dried fruit and nuts. Fructose is better than the refined sugar that's in those products. You'll find new tastes and then you will try your old favorites and wonder, " Why was I so craving THIS?"

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by Shannon79, Jul 22, 2014
Oh yes I do crave sugar. This might be an ideal time to try and kick that craving.

My other downfall is salt and starch. I do love chips, and pasta and bread.

What about sugar products like stevia?

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by laureninlove, Jul 22, 2014
What's a good substitute for a chocolate craving then?!! Last night it was killing me, ended up sulking in bed chocolateless lol!!

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by Sheaby, Jul 22, 2014
I'm doing the dairy free now because I think it may be upsetting Kathryn's tummy via breastmilk.  Definitely harder than I thought!!  We eat cheese on everything!!  Just add lots of protein :)  I still cheat a little, but we have already noticed a slight difference in her gassiness.

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by Shannon79, Jul 22, 2014
Lol Lauren. I wanna know the same thing!

Haha Shea. Harder then I thought too! Glad to hear it's helping Kathryn.

For me, my doctor said to go dairy free to see if we can figure out why I have diarrhea all the time (sorry for the tmi). But I can go anywhere from 3-5 times a day! On occasion I will have 1 day of constipation, and the next it's right back to the opposite.

She's doing blood work and stool samples to check for parasites. But she may also be leaning towards IBS.

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by weaver71, Jul 22, 2014
Stevia is complex sugars, great substitute, but it has a flavor, if you like it, go for it. We grew stevia in Hawaii, I used it on everything and grew to love the taste.

Sometimes yogurt can be tolerated by lactose intolerant people, I believe due to the partial digestion of the probiotics. They make chocolate flavor too. My daughter can't drink milk because she gets rashes all around her mouth, but she loves yogurt and has no symptoms from it. I'd go dairy free for now, just to find out if that is the issue, but you may be able to experiment later.

Sugar, starch, carbs all work in the body the same way but different. Craving for those things is often an amino acids deficiency. That's why I suggested nuts with dried fruit. The sugar covers the cravings instantly, the protein covers them after the sugar wears of. My family calls sugar cane crystals "kid crack." You can watch them bounce around and crash, take another hit and the circle continues.

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by heather727, Jul 22, 2014
I would suggest also trying to eat as many 'real' foods as possible. Basically, if it has a lable, it's not 'real'. My doctor refers to it as the 'outside isles of the grocery store'. So lots of fresh veggies, fruit, lean meat, etc. I switched my lunches over to just 'real' food (Salad or a stirfry) and I noticed a big difference with my swelling issues. Processed food has so much sodium!

But I've read several times that dairy can cause stomach issues like you described. Not fun! :(

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by Shannon79, Jul 22, 2014
Weaver - I'm not really sure whether this is a lactose intolerance, milk allergy or something else. So my Dr said to omit dairy for 2 weeks to see if there's any improvement. So I'm guessing even a yogurt is out for now being that it's dairy.

Heather - I guess this is becoming a wake up call that I have to change the way I eat. And no this not fun at all. For months I've been "dealing with it". But it's getting really tiring going to the bathroom so frequently

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by EvolverU, Jul 22, 2014
One of the problems with 'modern' dairy is that it's pasteurized making it really difficult to digest. Also, we feed our cows with things (like grain) that they wouldn't eat in the wild. We pump them full of antibiotics & hormones & keep them in appalling conditions (24/7) Our bodies know the difference & that's one of the reasons we're seeing a steep rise in both celiac disease & lactose intolerance.

In order to determine whether you're intolerant, you should try one food at a time as your dr. suggested. The thing is that you might be intolerant to more than just dairy. For instance, if you're experiencing bloating, cramping, nausea, etc. half an hour or so after eating, this can also be caused by a gluten issue, etc. (An imbalance like Candida in your gut can also lead to these symptoms). Many westerners have Candidiasis without realizing it due to the preponderance of sugar & processed foods in our diet. Another test might be to try a Raw cheese to see if it has the same effect on your system.

@ Laurainlove: As for a substitute for chocolate (which releases Oxytocin -- 'The love hormone') -- I'd suggest sex. :)

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by Shannon79, Jul 22, 2014
How true is that Annie! It's terrible how they treat animals and what they feed them which in turn we're consuming.

I'm trying to pinpoint when exactly it's occurring. I've only been doing this dairy free thing for 24 hours. So I think it's gonna take a few days to get it figured out.

LOL Oh Annie if I substituted chocolate for sex...oh boy I'm not going there!

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by EvolverU, Jul 22, 2014
We'll figure it out Shannon, :) Keep us posted, my friend.

Ha! I'm one to talk..I figure I'll bring a bar of dark chocolate into the 'picture' next time. (Why not have both? Says I) Both should' be good, though -- (otherwise, Sayonara!) :))

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by Shannon79, Jul 22, 2014
LOL dark chocolate would be good too! And good for you!

And I just read up on dark chocolate. It doesn't contain milk ingredients. (Or at least it shouldn't. So read the label). There ya go Lauren! An answer to your question!

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by Shannon79, Jul 25, 2014
Ugh! This dairy free is gonna kill me!

Now I feel like I'm not going enough! Once a day you would think would be good. But I'm starting to feel backed up and bloated and more gasey. And now getting pain like feeling just above my rib cage (right under my breasts).

Does anyone know if this is normal? Do I just have to suck it up while my body adjusts to no dairy?

I'm not winning this battle

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by spider6, Jul 26, 2014
Hey guys.....I just couldn't help myself........I have been dairy free for I guess almost 2 months now......it's not been as hard as I thought.   I've never been big on dairy as I have 3 peeps in my family who have intolerance.  Years ago I educated myself and come to my belief along with many others that milk is for baby cows and even then only till a certain age then like humans they cannot digest with ease.

I won't blab on and on, if you're interested just do your own research.....great book to start with is "fit for life" by Harvey and Marilyn Diamond......it's been my food bible since the eighties.   It's all about "macrobiotic" way of eating.

I hate soy milk and not really into soy as it has it's own set of problems but almond milk for me was the best way to go.
Not gonna get your same taste....you never will.....btw, lactose free is still milk sweetie, you will still have to digest the same way.  

I'll tell ya though sweetie....I'm 55 and I can run and jump and climb trees I weigh 107lbs.,  I do free weight training for my bones but it's great for the physique as well....if I have learned anything in my life it's....food is not just fuel, you really are what you eat.

I'm also vegetarian so you must think holy sh*t, well what does she eat then?  Lol
Also, I agree with Annie, if you're going to have dairy....go unpasteurized....heating kills nutrients and not only that but changes the molecular structure and so how you digest it.

Oh ya.....I feel so much better dairy free......sans bloat, sans gas, sans diarrhea, sans farts, sans pain, sans excess weight.
I give it two thumbs up and four udders down!

I love to talk fitness and health.....funny for a drug addict eh?
Love and peace out chicky.  Xo

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by Shannon79, Jul 26, 2014
Thanks Spidey!

I was hoping going dairy free would make issues go away. It's taken the diarrhea away, but now I feel constipated cause I'm not going as much. Is that normal? Do I just have to let my body adjust to this?

Girl, you are my hero! You rock!

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by spider6, Jul 26, 2014
If you're constipated, I'd look at what else you are eating.   Look they're both horrible to deal with but constipation makes me actually sick!   I try and never have to deal with that!  Lol. even though I eat a lot of fruit nuts and seeds and veg etc.  I still like to take my Metamucil every day....why....cuz it gathers up everything in it's gelatinous clump on it's way out and leaves you feeling empty and  clean!  You think that's too much 411 ?!  Here's another thing....it all comes out so clean....if you didn't have toilet paper ....you'd probably be fine!....nothing sticks!  Hahahahahaha....I know gross but paradoxically...not.    Oh ya it's completely organic so it won't hurt you or affect other meds etc.  oh ya, another benefit to eating clean. (No animal products)......I can honestly say...."my sh*t doesn't stink" lol

....and yes we all have to adjust to change but it will be worth it if you can do it....so much more energy .....not all that "casein" in your system to gum you up!  Btw, "casein" is a major component in "glue"!......really.

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by Shannon79, Jul 26, 2014
Lol maybe some tmi but very good to know.

I passed the lactose free milk onto the rest of the family and bought myself some vanilla almond milk. It's not bad at all. I think I'm gonna like it. I haven't tried it in my coffee yet, so we'll see how that is in the morning.

Holy crap on the casein!

And I decided to try and do gluten free. Not sure how I'll do cause I love breads and pasta. But I'm gonna give it a good go!

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by Hollus, Jul 26, 2014
Me and my spouse are nearly dairy free. I will say that milk was the easiest thing to give up! We love, love, love almond milk and coconut milk is delicious too. They also make a combination that is almond and coconut milk together and it's very creamy!  :-D  The more challenging things to give up were cheese and ice cream but we limit them. We tried dairy free ice cream and it was okay. We haven't even tried to find a dairy free cheese. When we are good, we do notice a difference in the way we feel though!

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by Shannon79, Jul 27, 2014
Ice cream and cheese I've found have been reallybhard to give up. That and cream for my coffee. Coffee doesn't taste the same with milk. Although I think I'm gonna enjoy the vanilla almond milk in it. It wasn't bad at all.

It's going to be a difficult transition, but I think the outcome at the end will be worth it.

I really hope that going gluten free will help me the same way as it helped a friend of mine. She went gluten free and 40 lbs just melted off her.

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