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Sep 05, 2010 - 10 comments

I am sooo confused! It appears that I have not ovulated yet, and it baffles me. I was pretty sure I would O on CD 9, 10, or 11, but I have had a temp rise yet. In fact, the most baffling thing is this morning my temp was the lowest it has ever been pre-O! It looks like maybe I will have an anovulatory cycle this month or something... I don't know, I am just so confused. I have never O'd this late, but I did take Vitex this cycle, so maybe that has delayed my ovulation or something. I don't know what to do or think at this point... I know it's possible at our age to not ovulate every cycle, so that is the only thing I can think of. Geez, that *****!! UGGHH! I started taking OPK's on CD 7, and they are all dark enough to look positive, but my digital says negative. No happy face! What is going on? Why are they so dark so many days in a row, and not a positive with the digital??? I Need help!

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922048 tn?1387942584
by Sherri90049, Sep 06, 2010
I wonder if the Vitex might be trying to regulate your cycle? (i.e. trying to balance your hormones and have you ovulate on a later day like CD14, more like what would be considered a "normal" 28 day cycle.) That's just a guess, though. Try not to worry yet. I doubt your body is going to want to skip a whole cycle. Hopefully you are going to O in the next day or two.

I'm not sure why all of your OPK's are looking dark and positive. Mine do that sometimes, but I have a high FSH and LH. I know that you don't have either of those. I hope your monitor gives you the happy face soon! Not sure why your temp dropped, but since it's only one day, I wouldn't worry. Could just be an anomaly. Keep us posted! And try not to worry too much. I bet the Vitex is really trying to normalize your cycle.

Sherri

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by Risa615, Sep 06, 2010
Christine,
Your temp isn't really that low. If it goes up tomorrow, then today (Sunday) was the day you ovulated.  I agree with Sherri, vitex is helping you ovulate later which is a good thing! I think it has helped me too along with vitamin b6.  CD 14 is a great time to ovulate, so I hope vitex is getting you back on track.  I will be praying for a temp spike for you! Hopefully you will be in the 98s by Tuesday and we will know what is going on this cycle!

Risa

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by mamamia40, Sep 06, 2010
Sherrie and Risa ~ Thank you so much for your positive encouragement.. I really needed that! I haven't been very positive lately, and when I didn't ovulate when thought I would it really got me discouraged.. I guess I was so used to ovulation being a little predictable, but you are both right: My ovulation days were probably too earlier, and maybe thats why I never got my BFP!  I really want to believe the Vitex is helping me have a more normal cycle. I just got scared and went into a little panic because I didn't ovulate when I "normally" do, and all I could think was I'm going to have an anovulatory cycle!
I agree with both of you that it would be more ideal to ovulate on CD 14, which is more average for a "normal" 28 day cycle, so I hope this means good things! Thank you both so much for helping me through this rough period. I'm driving my DH bonkers with all the worrying and such! I so much appreciate your kind words and wisdom, and helping me stay positive. My temp this morning was only 98.1, which is still my average for pre- O, so , still no ovulation yet. Today is CD 14, so maybe today?? DH goes back to work tomorrow, so hopefully today! =) I'll keep you posted!

1217293 tn?1467354344
by Risa615, Sep 06, 2010
Christine,
98.1 is a post ovulation temp.  Taking Charge of your Fertility says anything mid 97 and up is post ovulation. I really think you ovulated yesterday according to your chart. I bet your temp will go up again tomorrow and that will really confirm it.  I hope you bd yesterday and today just to be covered!
Risa

1310814 tn?1310654901
by mamamia40, Sep 06, 2010
Risa,
Thank you so much for your help. This is all still very confusing to me. I always thought that the pre- ovulation temps were all below a certain "coverline" and the only way to confirm ovulation was a sustained temp rise above this coverline. I assumed that my coverline would be  98.2, and therefore my temp would have to rise at least 0.4 degrees above this coverline in order confirm ovulation. What does this mean if my pre- O temps are all already at around 98.1?  Wouldn't my post ovulation temp have to be higher than this? Or is it because my temp dropped to 97.7 the day before have anything to do with it? Also, I never got a confirmed positive OPK, they were almost dark enough, but not quite positive. (no smiley face from the clearblue digital). I really appreciate all your help with all this! I've only been charting since May, so this is all still very new and confusing to me.

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by Sherri90049, Sep 07, 2010
I think you're right, Christine. For whatever reason, your pre-O temps are a little higher than average. I think that whatever they are before O, they have to jump by 0.4 after O to prove that O happened. But my copy of TCOYF just arrived in the mail a couple of days ago and I have hardly read any of it because it is really thick! :) But definitely try not to worry. We're all working on getting our hormones balanced and our bodies back into shape. So there will probably be some changes going on while that's happening.

That is a great book BTW (TCOYF). I got it on Amazon for pretty cheap actually. It looks like it has everything you could ever want to know about TTC! The other helpful source I found was www dot fertilityfriend *******. When you join with the free trial membership, you get 20 lessons in fertility awareness by e-mail (one per day). They were VERY helpful!

I hope your cycles get all straightened out and your O comes soon! Hang in there! Vitex has been used for thousands of years, I think I read, for helping with women's fertility. I heard it referred to as a natural Clomid, too. :)

1310814 tn?1310654901
by mamamia40, Sep 07, 2010
Thanks Sherri ~ Yes, I know my pre O temps are a little higher than average, thats what concerned me. It doesn't look like I will O this cycle. My temp this morning was still only 98.1. Very frustrating. I am going to order that book today! I did join Fertility Friend too, and it has been helpful, so I think I will see if I can find some charts with high pre O BBT's and see if I can learn anything. Thank you so much for your advice and helping me through this.

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by Sobie, Sep 07, 2010
Ok I have a question for you. I am taking Vitex and I never had a normal cycle I have PCOS since I was 14 years old now 31 and been TTC number 2. Now my question to you is why did you start taking the Vitex, do you have PCOS?
Sec the Vitex will not help those who have a reg cycle and helps to fix wacked out hormones. If you dont have any problems with PCOS or your hormones the Vitex is not a good thing for you to use.
Now if you do have problems with the these things you have to give the Vitex time in your body so it can work. If this is your first time taking the Vitex you should be taking it 3 x a day for 8 weeks and then after 1 x a day.
Vitex works to help fix hormones that are wacked out. As for me it has given me a cycle of 23 days long. I say it works and takes some time for it to get in your body.
Good luck and hope all truns out fine.

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by mamamia40, Sep 07, 2010
Sobie, Thanks for your input.. I really appreciate your knowledge, and to answer your questions:
1. I do not have PCOS. I was on the depo provera shot for 10 years, during which time I had NO period. Zero. I got my first  AF in Feb this year. My cycles ran anywhere between 22 and 26 days. I started charting my BBT etc in May, and realized I was ovulating early. As early as CD 8. My average is CD 9. To me, thats seems too early, and my BBT are a bit a high for pre ovulation, so I read a lot of women here on MH who used Vitex and how well it worked. I figured I would give it a try, and it never occurred to me that I could potentially do any harm to my cycle. Thank you for letting me know! I guess I should stop using it?? I only took it from CD 1 through CD8, because I thought I was going to ovulate on CD9.
2. I know my FSH level is okay. I do not know of my Estadiol or Progesterone, and I was a little concerned about my BBT being a little higher than average, as the Depo shot is a progesterone based birth control, I thought maybe my Progesterone was out of whack, so I thought the Vitex would help. It appears the vitex messed me up more than it helped, so I guess I shouldnt be taking it.
I have an Apt. with a fertility specialist on Oct 6th, so I guess I will find out what all my levels are, and figure out what my next step would be.
Thank you again for your help! This is all a learning experience for me!

1160836 tn?1332330169
by Sobie, Sep 08, 2010
Yes thats a good thing that you stop taking them, it will mess you up if you dont have PCOS. Yes many MH girls take it and have sucess but it cause things were already messed up so the Vitex fix it for them.
I seen your chart and am happy to say that you have Ov on sun or monday the lastest and not to worry looks like you covered your bases just fine. your in your TWW now and thats awesome.
Stay away from the Vitex dont take them no more your a normal cycle of 24 days and you not to take it.
and any time I can help I will.. SSBD your way...

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