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Medical Cannibis on the ballot for some

Nov 03, 2010 - 71 comments

I'm curious what some of you may think about medical cannibis (or medical marijuana). I know it was on the ballot for several different areas and even in my area on legalizing it for medical purposes or banning it.

I looked briefly into it and was impressed by not only how much it may help people (medically) but how carefully it is regulated when it is used medically. It is strictly done in a doctor's office and carefully monitored. It's not like they are going into a back alley somewhere and buying this from drug dealers. They also appear to monitor the amount and usage.
I don't think people can just go to a doctor and ask for it, either. They appear to have to have a legitimate medical reason.

I see a lot of fear out there on this and am wondering why. It appears to have less side effects than many harsh prescription drugs and if it can help people who are suffering from chronic pain, cancer, MS and other medical issues, then why not?

What are your thoughts on this? Do you think it should be allowed strictly for medical reasons? Why or why not?

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by TrudieC, Nov 03, 2010
I feel it should be legalized.  I have had friends with ovarian cancer and without marijuana they could not eat or get some relief from the nausea and pain.  I have read scientific articles where it has been shown to definitely help those with inflammatory bowel diseases.  My son has ulcerative colitis and uses it as a treatment.  He is not addicted and does not overuse it.  

I feel it is much safer than alcohol.  There are methods to get its benefits without smoking it.  I have not ever heard of someone smoking a bit of pot and then beating up their wife.  Not so with alcohol.  You are more likely to get the munchies and fall asleep.

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by April2, Nov 03, 2010
So where do you think the fear comes in?
Could your son lose his job if he revealed this to his boss? What if they drug tested him like many jobs do periodically? Does he have to reveal this then? And what if he were pulled over for something else and they decided to drug test him? Could he be arrested if he had this in his system? I'm sure he's asked his doctor all these questions but I'm just curious.

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by Cherie762, Nov 03, 2010
April, actually medical pots been around for longer then most realise likely was harder to get, but I remember a guy who had bad glacoma when I was 20 ( thats 28 yrs ago) and he had a script for it.

I believe it should be legalised, it helps with alot of symptoms for some people, I hate the stuff myself experimented when a young teen just made me paranoid,,,but Im sure the regulated kind is safer, its said to help many with cancer, and other ailments..so I say yes it should be legal

also heres a thought look how "legal " cigarettes are and they KILL,,,Ive often thought if pot was simply legal sold in stores like a pack of cigaretttes, it would 1. decrease crime...and 2. bring  a ton of money to our economy,,and lets face it people who want to smoke it for recreational purposes are going to do it,,,the war on trying to stop illegal pot costs tons of money , so why not clean it up, make it available in stores for all, who knows maybe it would be safer then all the heavy narcotics and could be used for anything from migranes to period cramps etc...

wow kinda makes me sound like Im a real party girl which is 100 % the oppisite I dont even drink,,,I just know the economy is a mess and I think what I said makes some sense.

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by jennyfi1234, Nov 03, 2010
I am not in favor of using it for myself, but then again, right now I have a hate/hate relationship with all drugs due to my experience from LEGAL drugs! Even the mention of spices in cooking and I am paranoid now.
We allow doctors to prescribe seriously dangerous drugs to people who dont even need them, drugs that will change their brain chemistry, without even knowing the long term effects--like hello---my situation.
I think we have a nation full of people dying from legal drugs. Your chol. is too high--take this--oh wait, it causes this, take this for that, oh, now you are on 3 drugs, oops--sorry, your hearts now affected---better add this---whoops---
"how sad, they died so young"
Natural drugs should be legalized as much as synthetic.
That said, I am not in favor of people just using it to use it---oh, wait though, people are doing that with antidepressants.

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by April2, Nov 03, 2010
So, you're saying not only legalize it for medical purposes but also for recreational purposes. Hm, I see what you're saying but I'm not sure I'd be ready to go that far. We will still have a war on drugs with stronger drugs, like cocaine, meth (nasty stuff!), etc.

Good comparison on alcohol, though. It's true, we have more problems with abuse of alcohol and drunk driving, fighting, etc. Just walk by a bar sometime and I swear you will almost always see a brawl outside with people acting stupid when they've been drinking. Of course, they used to ban alcohol not too long ago.
Sure wish people could just be responsible and drink responsibly, etc., without abusing the stuff.

I'm not sure I'd be ready for marijuana to just be sold like cigarettes yet, but the thought that it could help medically is enough that I think it should be looked into more.

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by April2, Nov 03, 2010
Yes, there are prescription drugs out there right now that I'm very, very cautious about. I've seen people try to get off them only to have terrible side effects, some that last a long, long time. From what I understand, that doesn't seem to happen with medical marijuana, but is part of that because it's regulated, so they don't use too much? I don't know. I've never tried the stuff, myself, but of course, we've all heard about the pot heads who smoke too much, lol.

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by margypops, Nov 03, 2010
no I voted no yesterday ,in California ,what about the kids and driving, and what about smoking we tell them not to smoke cigarettes but say its okay if its pot.Or is it another double standard ...It does lead to other drugs ..Absolutely not what will parents tell their children 'dont do as I do '     hypocracy . Medical may be a differant thing people who are genuinly in pain could use all help they can get,but it should be dealt with the correct way ...

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by adgal, Nov 03, 2010
I am actually also pro legalization.  I just think it needs to be regulated...so not available to underage, etc.

I have several reasons for feeling this way.  First is, it is actually safer then alcohol in many ways.  I also have never known or heard of anyone getting violent while using it.  Just the opposite.  Secondly, the amount of money spent enforcing the law (police time arresting, jail sentences, etc.) is silly when again, study after study proves it is not a dangerous drug...again, less dangerous then alcohol.  Thirdly...the biggest problem with pot is the drug dealers.  Its a big money business, and drug dealers are not only known to be violent, they also have no qualms about targeting children.  Legalization would remove all of these problems.  In my opinion, if pot stays illegal, alcohol should be as well.  It is far more likely to be abused and is far more addictive.

I am not a user at all.  I tried it a few times when I was younger and it's not my thing.  But, I don't see it as a problem drug.  I would rather the resources being used to keep it illegal be used to go after the more serious drugs such as meth, etc.  Those are a huge problem and this would free up a whole lot of money.

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by TrudieC, Nov 03, 2010
I am in agreement with adgal.  You asked about my son.  He hasn't applied for the medical marijuana program but uses himself.  Here in Canada it is not a criminal offense (at least right now) to have a personal amount of pot on you, it is just a ticket.  He works in the construction industry where drug testing is not required.  It is very important that rules be put in place so that smoking and driving does not take place in the same way we do for alcohol.  Exploring alternative intake methods can eliminate the smoking issue.

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by margypops, Nov 03, 2010
Do they never use a car , it is a fact that any addiction of drugs makes driving a problem .so we are to assume that these kids will not,smoke cigarettes , and never drive a car ..possibly not work a lot ?

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by April2, Nov 03, 2010
I'm not sure I would want it legalized just for recreational use but for medical use only under a doctor's care. In that case it would be treated just like taking any other prescription drug.

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by RavenT, Nov 03, 2010
IN my area the vote was for legalizing it for medical use only... but that just means that it will still be in the streets and illegal use will still be happening... I know from studies and what I have read that it not as bad as Alcohol and alcohol has been legal for years causes more motor vehicle accidents than ANY drug legal or illegal... parents give the drug of alcohol to their kids and then tell them they are not allowed to 'use' drugs... they tell them this while having a glass of wine with dinner.. I know of a situation where a lady has been prescribed medication for pain and she takes while she is watching her 2 and 8 yr old. The kids end up running around an apartment complex in their underwear...

I have posted on another part of the site that the greatest issue form the use of marijuana is a problem with memory over the long term... I do not believe in the use of any drug including alcohol for general use... it is better to deal with what is happening then alter my consciousness and escape... but the use of marijuana for the assistance with cancer and other issues can be a greater benefit then some of the other drugs out there... there are minimum side effects...

I voted for the legalization for medical purposes...

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by push2rewind, Nov 03, 2010
I'm with adgal and Trudyc.I am pro and support N.O.R.M.M.L (National Organization to Reform Medical Marijuana Legalization) Like our presidents I tried it and I did inhale,I believe I would try it today for health issues I have  but only under advise of  Drs and Health proffesionals.I don't think MM should be taken in front of children but with that said I don't think kids should see me swallowing prescription meds in front of them eighter.or if I drank they shouldn't be watching me getting tipsy.I also believe all meds should be in a locked box just as guns should be stored in secure gun safe.

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by specialmom, Nov 03, 2010
Medical usage has its place in my opinion but I would never support recreational legalization.  Not in a million years.  I have seen marijauna as a gateway drug in my own experience (well, not me personally but you know what I mean).  Kids that smoke pot in the early years usually go on to try more hardcore substances.  But have no doubt, if you look at the history of many chronic pot smokers, they are not our highest contributing members of society.  Many that get caught up in it during the teen years do not follow a path to success.  

What is different about pot vs. alcohol since many love to make that comparison.  Well, alcohol you can drink without the intent of getting high.  I like alcohol free beer as I find the taste refreshing but don't like to get buzzed.  I also like the taste of wine with a nice dinner.  Does anyone smoke pot without the intended purpose of getting high?  It is used for that purpose and recreationally, I would hope people find a better way to entertain themselves.  It's a drug through and through.

But for medical reasons, I would not make those who are suffering go without something that brought them true relief from some of their symptoms.

So anyway, that is just my little old opinion and nothing more.  I don't claim to know everything even though I may act like it------------  ha ha  (????)

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by April2, Nov 03, 2010
Ok, I've heard an awful lot of pros here, are there any cons at all? Do the benefits outweigh any negatives? Are there no health risks then? No concerns over short term or long term usage?

Is it truly better than any other prescription drugs we already have put there?



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by April2, Nov 03, 2010
Out there, not put, lol. Sorry for the typo!

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by adgal, Nov 03, 2010
There are some known health risks.  If abused (and no, not all smokers abuse it) it is like alcohol or anything else, there can be negative consequences.  You shouldn't drive under the influence of it as it does alter your senses (is that the right way to put it? lol).  Smoking it can damage your lungs.  It doesn't do as much damage as cigarettes as it doesn't have as many chemicals, but still, long term use will have consequences.  There are many other ways to take it though.

I can understand why not everyone agrees with just plain legalizing it (although I still think they should...have to get that in there..haha), but the benefits medically are substantial.  For everything from chemo users, chronic pain, ms, etc. etc.  The legalization for recreational use is controversial, but for medical use...in my mind there is no question the benefits outweigh the potential consequences.  It is absolutely less addictive and harmful then many of the prescription meds out there now...particularly the narcotics.  In fact, one of the top street drugs we see here right now is Oxy.  It is highly highly abused.

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by dominosarah, Nov 03, 2010
Doctors dont think twice about giving us narcotics to help with pain and the biggest side effect is euphoria or feeling light headed.  Marijuana would be a much better choice and safer in the long run.  I dont partake in the recreational aspect of it anymore due to the fact i am a recovering addict but if i am ever in that spot i would chose pot over pills anyday.  Right now prescription pill abuse is the fastest growing problem we have in America.  Young kids are becoming addicted and it is coming right from the medicine cabinets of the parents or friends house.  Please everyone if you have any type of narcotics or benzos in your home lock them up.  It is better to be safe than sorry~~~~sara

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by dominosarah, Nov 04, 2010
"spot" meaning medical reasons......thought i better clarify that!!

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by Cassandrajane, Nov 04, 2010
*I am in england btw*

My aunt has been seriously ill in pain for many years, Cannabis isnt legalised yet so she was naughty and being illegal. She smoked it probably twice a day for YEARS and wow, the wonders it did for her and her pain was amazing, She was seriously ill, and it worked better than paracetamol...
I think it should be legalised for medical reasons, It does sooo many wonders and works better and is better than perscription drugs. (My aunt proves that)..

I am wondering about the topic on Alcohol now, because well, thats worse than heroin new studies show.

I think it should be made legal personally

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by KarenDiane, Nov 04, 2010
I grew up with 2 pot-smoking hippies for parents but have never used it myself. Of course I probably had a contact high for most of my childhood. I've also known cancer patients who used medical marijuana prescribed by a Dr. I don't have any problem with legalizing marijuana for medical or recreational purposes if it is regulated in the same fashion as alcohol. People should not be allowed to drive while high, but how would a police officer do a sobriety test for that? And how would you stop people from smoking it in their homes while children are present? I know it isn't any worse physically for people to be around 2nd hand pot smoke than it is to be around 2nd hand cigarette smoke, but mentally it is. So, there are things that need to be worked out.

I did want to add that medical marijuana is pretty much a joke, at least in southern California. Anybody can get a prescription by complaining of an ache or pain.

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by margypops, Nov 04, 2010
The vote we just had in CA was'nt simply for med purposes it was legalising it, I do agree that it should be on presciption for Doctors to give to patients that need it to help them,I cannot see teens who drive and hang out with friends not smoking, so again I ask how do you ban cigarettes, and yet say its okay to use pot...kids wont start baking cakes with it in, or using a pipe ,they will smoke it.Also how do parents say No to their children yet use it them selves ..I saw with a family member that he didnt want to work he sat around all day doing nothing. It wont help society be any better , It will encourage the selling of it to kids as it wont be cheap no doubt.

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by Mom2four85, Nov 04, 2010
There's been quite a bit of research done about marijuana as well as alcohol and 'holiday heart syndrome'.  In the heart rhythm forum there's quite a few posts where the first time arrhthmia's started was after someone smoked mj or drank too much or tried street drugs.

I'm not for or against legallizing it, but I can see the need for doing so; just as alcohol was done.  If it were only prescription based, it would probably be no different than say Oxycodone, Tylenol, etc another way to treat a patient. How many prescription drugs don't come with some type of warning of causing other problems or as someone else said - take one drug to counter act another drug.

I'm still trying to understand this all because I have cardiomyopathy and my catherization said I should avoid alcohol - not that I drink much; once per year on my anniversary, and got a gift of Captain Morgan's Long Island Iced tea and wanted to try it. I tried to find research as to why I should avoid alcohol but taking major habit forming drugs were ok - I still don't understand it. Alcohol seems to calm my nervous system and really helps with autonomic nervous system stuff and nerve damage but I was told it would wreck havoc on my already damaged heart muscle.

Reports have indicated that recreational use of marijuana may have similar effects as alcohol does -  rhythm disturbances, particularly supraventricular tachyarrhythmias in apparently healthy people.  It says interestingly, even modest alcohol intake can be identified as a trigger in some patients with paroxysmal atrial fibrillation.

One study evaluated 14 patients with a history of significant alcohol consumption. Initially, the atrial and ventricular extrastimulus technique induced nonsustained ventricular tachycardia in 1 patient, nonsustained atrial fibrillation in 1 patient, paired ventricular responses in 1 patient, and no response in the remaining 11 patients. Following administration of alcohol, 10 of the 14 patients developed sustained or nonsustained tachyarrhythmias in response to the extrastimulus technique, with significant prolongation of His-ventricular conduction.

We have to choose what is the lesser of the evils.

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by james_kildare, Nov 04, 2010
I have friends who after taking prescription drugs have altered behavior and impulsivity, it seems that taking painkillers such as Vicodin, hydrocodone, percocet, oxycodone, they affect the nervous system and as I have been out in findrxonline.com says these medicines have side effects and should be prescribed with a prescription.

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by Cloudwindgate, Nov 04, 2010
MARGYPOPS

You havent been in high school for awhile have you? Well let me tell you theres not a single student who hasnt tried weed and well simply put i use to walk past this giant group of students who would smoke both in public. Your not stopping this by not making it legal. It would be under an age restriction. So many drugs are illegal and yet they still get used in done. I would have voted yes for it because i personally believe that will clear away alot of dealers. but if its illegal then so should cigs there worse for you. BTW Weed is only a gate way drug when your doing it with a group and partying with it. I would rather walk past a stonier over a crack head any day. Theres a BBC show where this women goes deep into the weed world and finds out all this information its a really good show i wish i could remember it.

That is my biggest problem is that were willing to say well this drug is okay although we know it doesnt nothing good for you yet then well say this ones bad. Well keep cigerates which have no advantage to them other then bringing in lots of money, but well say hey this drug helps some people but lets get rid of it. I dont smoke but i know people who do. people who cant get out of bed in the morning because there bodies ach there on a ton of drugs and the only one that helps without sending them to neverland is weed. I dont think legal weed is such a bad thing i just think theres this unrealistic idea behind it. ITs not the gateway its the people your around when you do it that are the gate way. IVe never been so out of frame i couldnt say no. We could just as easly go after alcohol. How does it help anyone? IT often make people do things they never do. If you want a gateway drug that is it right there. People will spend there rent checks o0n it. People will run off and binge it. It makes people drive and do stupid things.


Its just sad thats all that we are will to say yes to these bad drugs but yet find it so hard to say yes to this one. Have you ever heard of someone ODing off Weed....Legal drugs people od all the time its and offul thing ive been witness to it. people telll.........okay never mind this is about to get personal lol  

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by margypops, Nov 04, 2010
CLOUDWINGATE  thank you ,that was my opinion I put up like all on here ........

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by Cassandrajane, Nov 04, 2010
My dad and step mum and 2 of my brothers smoke it also (I hate the stuff, I also hate alcohol.) and well my step mum as been smoking it for yearrs and she is mentally fine...
But we have been asked / arguing about it being legalised... I couldnt care less tbh, I wouldnt touch it. My OH has, and tbh I hate that part off him (he doesnt do it now thank god, we wouldnt be together)
But then alot of people wont do it randomly (like kids at school) if it was legalised...

It should be used for medical reasons...

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by Cloudwindgate, Nov 04, 2010
Margy
I wasn't trying to attack you or anything i was simply stating how i felt the opposite to you thus giving my opion o well nice knowing you :(

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by srambo718, Nov 04, 2010
MAKE IT LEGAL!
I smoked it in highschool like many many people. It was fun and everything, but the first thing I noticed was that it helped my pain in my knee(I had terrible problems with my knee, had surgery on it when I was 17)
I stopped smoking it untill recently. About 2 years ago I started having horrible pain in my neck, got so bad that I couldnt even turn my head. It took them over a year and a half to find out that I have 6 bulging discs in my neck. None of the pain pills helped at all, not even high doses of morphine. I had epideral shots right into my spine, this is supposedly great relief for most people, it made my pain worse. All the doctors say that the only thing left is surgery, but everyone I know whos had surgery on their neck ended up with way worse problems later on, so I didnt want to do that.
I started smoking again, and most days I can function normally thanks to it. Sometimes when its really painfull the marijuana doesnt help, but most of the time it works wonders. They have different types for different problems. The purple strands are really good for a body high, makes your body feel good but doesnt make you feel all drugged up in the head. Even the strands that are meant just for a 'head high' that get you really stoned dont make me feel as drugged up as the medications. I think everywhere in the world should have medical marijuana avalible to anyone who wants to try it for whatever condition they have. And it does help with hundreds of things(cancer, glacoma, chronic pain, diabetes, anxity, anorexia, weight loss, ibs, the list goes on and on)
As far as having it legal for recreation use, I think that is a good idea as well. Like it was said in other posts, I believe it would bring huge amounts of money to the economy. I think that it would also stop young kids from trying it, and be harder for them to get ahold of it. Instead of drug dealers selling it on the street they can sell it to the dispensery eliminating tons of drug related violence. People like me who really need it wouldnt have to feel like criminals trying to get it. It would save millions of dollars to not have to arrest every person who posseses or grows it, save on having to build new prisons to hold the millions convicted of marijuana related charges, and american farmers can grow it for hemp bringing back one of the biggest and most widely used products from the 1800's and earlier. Hemp can be used for rope, paper, clothes, shoes, bedding/blankets, bags, and thousands of other things.
When alcohol was outlawed it became the biggest money maker in the country, and all of that money went into the hands of the criminals who were bringing it in. Not only was it in every basement bar, it was way easier for kids to get it, because those criminals dont care about what happens to the kids as long as they get their money. Now the only way for kids to get it is if they know someone who is over 21 or if they sit outside a store asking people to get it for them. I believe this is the same thing that will happen if they legalize marijuana.
And as far as marijuana being a 'gateway drug'...this is just something they made up to make it sound more dangerous. I have known plenty of people in my life who have used marijuana and nothing else. I have also known people who have never tried it but are addicted to meth and cocaine. I think the reason most kids try it is not because all the other kids are doing it or because they want to get high, but because it is illegal. They can get their hands on something that they arent supposed to have and they want it. They can wait for alcohol because they can have it when they turn 21, but they know they cant have pot so they want it asap.
Millions of people die from cigarettes which can be bought almost anywhere, millions of people die from alcohol and alcohol related accidents/crimes and alcohol can be bought almost anywhere. Millions die because of guns, but they keep on selling them. There has never been one recorded death because of marijuana. Yet the government chooses to spend more money on the war against marijuana than on any other drug. Cocaine, crack, heroine, meth, opium, pcp, lsd, extacy, prescribed meds, alcohol, these are all very deadly drugs that are not being dealt with because the focus is on pot. Its very very sad. Look at all the countries that have legal pot for anyone, less crime, less amounts of kids using, less amounts of violence and gangs, and more money for the economy.

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by margypops, Nov 04, 2010
ther'es your answer its the new wonder drug of the future ..before you pay for it ,inflation is around the corner you will be lucky if you can afford to feed your families ..never mind pot but good luck anyway ....

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by adgal, Nov 04, 2010
I think one of the things I find most interesting about the whole debate is that there is so much evidence showing that pot is not an addictive substance.  I think it's probably habit forming, but not like cocaine or many other drugs where you actually have withdrawal from stopping.  Yet two of the most addictive substances we know of are still legal...cigarettes and alcohol.  

I also still stand by my statement that it would do away with many drug dealers and the violence surrounding it.  Plus, if they treat it as they do any unnecessary substance ( I don't mean for medicinal purposes, but for recreational use) they should tax it the same - like alcohol and cigs.  A whole new revenue stream would be created.  

I think part of what needs to be remembered is that this is a herb that grows naturally, not a manufactured substance, so there really is a very big difference between this and other drugs.

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by specialmom, Nov 04, 2010
Legalizing marijuana for recreational use would be taking a backward step.  When they banned cigarette smoking in all public places in my city including any restaurant and bar, I was quite pleased and saw that as a step forward in a healthier society.  So do we allow pot to be smoked on the street like cigarettes?  What is the legal age that would be okay as many seem to indicate that a lot of teens smoke it casually and it has no harm on their life (beg to differ . ..  not usually are they the valedictorians of the class). And I'll be flat out honest, sure lots of kids try pot but those who develop a chronic condition of smoking it do no usually pan out to be successful professionals in their adult years.  Not trying to offend anyone but no colleague of mine nor friend has been into pot.  Not a one.  We're busy conquering the world.  LOL The kids that get caught up in smoking pot sit in their therapists office years later trying to figure out what happened to them.  It would be wrong for America to condone recreational drug use.  Hey, if they want to ban cigarettes, well------------ cool.  Alcohol, whatever.  I'd rather it go in that direction than be more casual and open about it.  By the way, people speak of narcotics.  Well, narcotics are controlled substances.  There are suppose to be checks and balances as to who gets them and why.  Fraud and illegal things happen -------------  should we make those legal for recreational use as well?

All just my opinion meant for discussion purposes only.  (smile)

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by adgal, Nov 04, 2010
SpecialMom - We may see it differently in terms of legalizing for recreational purposes, but I stand with you on keeping it out of the hands of young people.  Young people that drink, or use any sort of stimulant in high school do not typically excel while at school.  In fact statistically, people that start drinking while underage have a significantly higher rate of addiction..proven time and time again.  I would imagine the same would hold true with pot.  I think that's why so many get the idea it is a gateway drug...young people do not yet have the ability to discern between the two, so used young I would think there is a far far better chance of other drugs being used, or pot being abused.

No, all stimulants, from alcohol to pot to drugs of any sort, even cigarettes need to be kept away from our youth.  And as a parent, no matter what you choose to do, it should not be done in front of your children. I would never drink heavily in front of my son...a glass of wine, yes..but to get drunk...never.  If I were a pot smoker, it would never be at home in front of my kids.

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by specialmom, Nov 04, 2010
Adgal, I love that we always find a common leg to stand on regarding a topic!!  Agreed!

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by cheshchesh819, Nov 04, 2010
legalise it see what happens all those who do not take it for medical reasons will ruin plenty of lives they smoke in their cars whilst driving causing road accidents because in my eyes its like drink driving,smoking it around other people it causes themto feel strange and weird,as all ready stated smoking has been stopped in public places so no way should this be an option where people can just do it anywhere,maybe it should just be like a methodone programme controlled by a medical person

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by adgal, Nov 04, 2010
I don't feel it should be allowed in public places either.  Not in restaurants, or walking down the street. It should be a controlled substance like alcohol and cigarettes...in appropriate places only.

I think there may be a misconception that all pot smokers are walking around in a haze all the time.  That is actually not the case.  For most, they will smoke a joint the same way others may have a few drinks..yes, it's a stimulant, and should be treated accordingly.  You would be arrested and charged for drinking in your car, or driving under the influence.  Same thing.  You can be arrested and charged for being drunk and disorderly, or drinking in a public non licensed place...same thing.  It should be treated responsibly by adults only, just like alcohol.  I just don't see a difference, I really don't.  

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by dominosarah, Nov 04, 2010
Not all pot smokers are like Cheech and Chong.  There is still such a stereotype for people who smoke weed.  They dont all sit around in their pj's eating the kitchen cupboards.

I believe it is the parents responsibility to talk with their children about all drugs.  Being open with them will make them feel they can come to us and talk about this sort of thing.

Why is it okay for some to have a couple glasses of wine or a drink with their meal or whenever.....Alcohol is a drug.  What signal are we sending the young kids?

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by teko, Nov 05, 2010
I see this as a double edged sword. On one hand I hear it will take the power away from dealers, and I agree with that concept, it will clear out all the jails and the moneys made with huge fines and expensive lawyers, I agree with that too. But in a time when cigarette smoking has been banned nearly everywhere you go and currently legislation being formed to keep it from public parks, recreational areas and beaches as well, is this not a double standard to legalize pot?

I also see people getting prescription drugs like Oxycontin and the like handed to them like candy by doctors and seniors are all drugged up, you can get them easily on the streets, and now children taking prescription drugs for various things as well.

So, if they pass it for other than medical purposes, it would have benefits this is tru, but the down side is, it would be regulated like cigarettes and alcohol and would be a way of generating taxes, which I feel is the real intent here. Something else the government can regulate its use.

I have heard it said that it is not addictive. I do not agree with that at all. It is emotionally addictive for starters and is a health concern just like tobacco when used regularly. I have seen people use money they do not have just to get pot, and I have seen people that have to have a couple bowls first thing in the morning in order to function and rely on it for them to work.

So to me, it has its pros and cons. Pot also affects people in different ways just like alcohol. I have seen people get really paranoid, pepped up, or go to sleep while using it. It would also be more readily available to younger children to get their hands on like cigarettes and alcohol. But the bottom line is that the whole of society is already hopped up on something . Legally or illegally. But once upon a time alcohol was illegal too so it does make one wonder how long it will be until they do make it legal just to redirect who makes the money off of it.

20 years ago my son was given a script for marinol in pill form, so evidently it has been legal in prescription use under certain conditions for awhile now.

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by specialmom, Nov 05, 2010
I also want to be really clear. People that have a couple of glasses of wine to "get high" are also not using alcohol appropriatly and it could lead to problems.  Some do have a glass of wine with dinner because they enjoy the taste and the experience --------  but they may only drink half the glass (ME!) because they want no buzz.  When alcohol is used to numb, entertain, get drunk . . . this isn't great.  Why legalize pot so there is yet another way (legally) to destroy your life.  And make no doubt about it, pot can do that just as alcohol can.  And just because one thing that is bad for you is legal, why should we add another.
Of course, this is recreational I am speaking of and only my opinion.  I don't think my opinion has to be right for everyone.

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by dominosarah, Nov 05, 2010
Well here is my final thought on pot.  I think it should be legalized for medical purposes, not recreational.     sara

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by adgal, Nov 05, 2010
I have learned a lot reading through this whole debate.  I can honestly see arguments on both sides.  I guess at the end I still think it should be legal (definately for medicinal purposes, and I am still ok with recreational use), but have been given much to think about.  April, this was a really great topic, and it's nice to see what for the most part remained a rational and adult conversation.  I always enjoy it so much more that way!!

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by specialmom, Nov 05, 2010
Sara, I agree!!  And it has been an interesting discussion------  I've been given things to think about as well Adgal.

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by srambo718, Nov 05, 2010
I want to make it perfectly clear that I do not condone anyone underage using marijuana or any drugs. I guess I left that out in my previous post. If it was made legal for recreational use, its pretty obvious that the government wont allow people smoking pot in restraunts or grocery stores. It wouldnt be taking a step backwards, because its not like people are going to be smoking it all over the place. Obviously it wouldnt be okay to smoke and drive. Someone said something about if someone got pulled over for driving under the influence of pot theres no way for police to tell if they are using or not. Thatsnot true, if you look, sound or seem to be high they will arrest you, take you to jail, do a drug test, and if its clean let you go, if not your stuck there. Every cop is taught how to identify someone who is on drugs. Just like how ou can tell when your husband or wife comes home drunk, so can police.
In Amsterdam where pot is legal for anyone of the age limit(I believe its 18) people dont walk around smoking it, there are designated places to go, cafes and smoke shops, where you buy it there sit down at a table and smoke it there, most places wont even let you take it out of the shop. You can do it there or at home. I dont think anyone expects to be able to walk around an elementry school yard or restraunt smoking a joint.

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by jennyfi1234, Nov 05, 2010
Cloudwingate--not every student has tried weed. I remember being in HS and every single one of my friends smoked it, but I didnt and they knew I hated it and would not use in front of me, but we had a speaker that said all students have tried it and well, I was offended cause I hadnt---(but I know what you mean) :)
I have a friend that was seriously addicted to pot, so I know it can happen, although rare so I hear. He finally got off it but it was a difficult time for him and his family.
I dont mind it being legalized for pain, but I dont want it legalized for everyday use. I cant stand the smell of it and if its legal, everyone will be growing it and using outside and the air will waft over to me and I will be sick. :(
Besides, I dont want anything messing with my brain after what legal drugs did to it, and I have friends that are x users and to be honest, you can tell. (sorry guys, you know i love you)
I am curious, does pot affect the lungs like cigarrettes?

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by adgal, Nov 05, 2010
I read the rest and I still come back to the same point...

Someone who has a drink or even a few drinks at times is not an alcoholic.  They drink at appropriate times and appropriate places.  Someone who smokes the odd joint...same thing.  In both cases abuse is abuse and that is when you will see an impact on someone's life.  But that is the case with abuse of any sort of stimulant or drug.  I still can't find the difference.

I do agree though that public places should be out, and once again, children or underage people should be out.  Here our legal drinking age is 18.  We are having the same debate over marijuana, and it will be the same thing.  Of age, in your own home or a designated place (like a bar or nightclub for alcohol).

I am not even a user, but I worry about crime like everyone else.  I would just like to see the police focused on what I feel are real crimes, and I would also like to remove as much as I can from the dealers, gangs, etc. that actually target our young people.  So for me that is still the deciding factor.  Legal or not, I still won't use it.  And legal or not, my child will not be allowed to use it, alcohol or anything else while I still make his decisions for him.  So like alcohol, I think there is a world of difference between a user and an abuser.

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by teko, Nov 05, 2010
I am sitting here pondering all this and taking it all in. While doing so one thing came to my mind that I want to bounce off you guys and get your take on it.

Two adults, sitting at home in their own living room. Smoking pot. Their small children are in the room. So here is my point.  If secondary smoke from cigarettes is considered harmful to those around the smoker, why would the smoke from pot not be considered harmful? Would it or wouldnt it? Anyone?

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by adgal, Nov 05, 2010
I would say most definatenly harmful.  I would think any stimulant on developing brains is a bad idea, let alone the example it provides.  But to me, bad parents are bad parents, and someone doing that is going to do it illegal or not.  Might as well give it to them to smoke themselves...no different.  Hey, let's give them a bottle of vodka while we are at it.  The mere thought makes me angry.  

Made me think of something that happened today.  I was in the waiting room at the lab waiting for my turn for my bloodtest.  Of course Ryder was with me and this young women started chatting with me about her 15 month old son.  Beautiful little guy.  She was pretty open and told me she was there waiting to be drug tested as she does twice a month...in an attempt to get her son back.  She used while pregnant and after he was born.  Whatever an adult chooses is up to them I guess, but whether a substance is legal or not, children shouldn't be subjected.  Smoking cigarattes and drinking alcohol is legal, but we know not to do it while pregnant.  We also know not to smoke cigarettes around our children.  Same thing with pot.

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by TrudieC, Nov 05, 2010
Totally agree.  We also should not drink alcohol around young children.  Our judgement is off and we need to have our wits about us with little ones.  

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by specialmom, Nov 05, 2010
Agreed!  I still don't think that because we have one substance that is legal (alcohol) and is sometimes used alright but is often the culprit in total destruction------ why do we need to legalize another?  Legalizing is a public message that it is okay.  Everyone keeps saying------- having a couple of drinks is okay.  That's because it is legal.  But tell that to my kids when I am slow to respond in an emergency.  No recreational use of any drug is okay in my mind.  (aren't I boring) I think that there will still be crime around it.  Kids/teens will still want it and someone will have to sell it to them.  What if it is like cigarettes and it gets more and more expensive-----------  so then the cheap ways they've gotten for years comes into play.  What if it is like over the counter medication-------  usually a slightly lower dose than the prescrition stregnth so . . . we have to buy the "good stuff" from the dealer.

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by margypops, Nov 05, 2010
this has been so informative that I hjave been pondering if I am wrong about being against it,so we will hide the fact we 'smoke' to our children, we will attempt not to drive whilst under the influence, we will hope that our children dont smoke cigarettes but will bake pot cakes or buy pipes? is that how its done, I never did it but I may, ..all the posts on here seem to mostly be for it ...I may be missing out on a good thing .....,.

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by margypops, Nov 05, 2010
LOL and maybe Obama who smokes cigarettes may declare a 'Pot day "   sorry I am being facetious

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by teko, Nov 05, 2010
Well now Specialmom hit on a very important point. When I started smoking years ago, I never in a million years thought it would kill me! I seriously thought that since it was legal, it was okay. How many young parents think that because meds they buy over the counter that are legal and need no prescription is okay and will not harm their kids. I think that thought is more common than we know. And if people were responsible, like we all know they should be, our jails and court systems and rehab centers would not be overflowing, so to think that once legal it would all go away is just not real for me. Personally, I wouldnt care one way or the other but, something to think about eh!

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by adgal, Nov 05, 2010
Hmm...hadn't looked at it that way.  I too used to smoke cigarettes (hardest thing I have EVER done is quitting...it is sooo addictive it's not even funny) and I still want them...I admit it, I do.  And you are correct...I never thought a thing about it when I started.  None of the education was out there about how bad they were, and they were legal.  I remember running to the store for my parents to buy them when I was only 12 or 13.  No one thought a thing about it then.

I have been known to have a drink to many on occasion, and I have no doubt it will happen again. And honestly, I don't think it's wrong..most of us have at some point, but we pick and choose our occasions, moments and most importantly location.  But not in front of my kids...that is not the example I want to send.  I also am fairly certain at some point my son will drink..and probably too much at some point.  But not while he is underage and under my watch.  There would be consequences.  

I guess though at the end of the day I still come back to responsible people behave responsibly, and irresponsible people don't..regardless as to whether something is legal or not.  You guys are making me look at it a bit differently, but still can't say I have changed my mind...lol.

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by teko, Nov 05, 2010
And actually looking back on what I just posted, it kinda takes away all the reasons to make it illegal!  I hear those energy drinks are proving dangerous as well. Oh Gee

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by livngr8ful, Nov 05, 2010
My thought is.....  Here it comes...  Legalize it........  For what who cares....  Alcohol, and tobacco are ok  you can get legal heroin (opiate narcotics) from your doctor.  But a plant?????  Im not seeing any reason here.  Im thinking it's way to hard for a drug company to create a monopoly by owning a patent.  The almighty dollar once again... Wheres Regan when we need a good old fashioned tv commercial deterring drug use. Lets take aim at the real pushers..  Big pharmaceutical companies. From an addicts point of view.  The criminals are the ones that make this sh** acceptable.  Yes reasons do exist, but where is the line? In a medical facility and thats as far as it should go.  If I hurt bad enough to take oxy again Im gonna be admitted for proper pain management. Or take a puff or two.  Let the muscles relax and sleep. F**K the opioid's in the end we loose by relying way to heavily on big pharmas medical advice.  

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by boldsojah4christ, Nov 05, 2010
I used 2 date mary Jane back in the days! She always blew my mind every time I kissed her! But I had 2 divorce her because it was illegal! & now they want 2 legalize her! It's & excuse 4 her 2 get me fired from my job if I date her again! So I don't think they should legalize her;(

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by marie3B, Nov 05, 2010
I have to agree with livngr8ful.  Legalize small amounts. Not only for medical reasons, but for personal use.  I don't use it, but know many that do without bad results.  I have seen alcohol and cigarettes kill countless people, but never have I seen marijuana destroy a liver.  Let it be regulated and sold legally and taxed.  Country is broke and that would give the $$$$ to the government not the drug traffic criminals.  The border problems may lessen too.  Marie

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by ginger899, Nov 05, 2010
The way I see it, marijuana should not be legalized for recreational use and for gangsters on the streets to line their pockets with pot cut with all kinds of nasties (the latest thing I heard is that sometimes Skunk is cut with ground glass to add weight!)
And I don't know what's happening elsewhere in the world, but in Britain, Skunk is now the pot you buy if you buy from a dealer. And even if it's 'clean' it's nothing LIKE the marijuana that used to be available even in the 80's. People are smoking Skunk and sometimes having severe psychological kick-backs if they use it regularly.
But I do feel that it should be legalized for medical purposes.
I know a lady who suffers from MS and the only thing that really helps her is a joint. It also has remarkable results with the side effects of chemo too so I hear.
It makes me nauseous. Every time I tried it, and I tried it a few times. But getting nauseous every time -no fun! I'd rather have a beer!

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by ginger899, Nov 05, 2010
By the way I don't think legalizing it would stop it being sold on the streets or in cafes, etc. And the people selling it would still want the best profit they could get, so are still likely to cut it with all kinds of stuff...

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by adgal, Nov 05, 2010
I do have to disagree with the comment that it would still be sold on the streets.  Anytime a product becomes 'black market" so to speak, and is sold underground or on the streets, the price goes up.  So by making it available to those that want it legally, you remove a great deal of the value from the drug dealers.  The profit is no longer there for them. Think Prohibition and alcohol prices/bootleggers.  I think it will be a similar type situation.

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by hellc@mst, Nov 05, 2010
I think some people are getting too concerned with the 'smoking"element of cannabis use when there are more palletable ways of ingesting cannabis. If it were to be legalised for wholesale medicinal puposes, the wholesome, natural image of cannabis will be a far cry from what would most likely end up being stocked on pharmacy shelves.

Once phamaceutical companies have a mandate to manufacture medicinal marijuana, i believe they will corner the market by developing unambiguous thc tablets or injections that have a reliable and consistent amount of THC unlike the inaccurate guestimates involved when smoking joints. Since there are many different cannaboids( 85 or thereabouts) Pharmcos will inevitably develop potent concentrations of one or more different cannaboids which may be more specifically targeted for the treatment of many differnt ailments.

The best example is opium. Opium was traditionally smoked but who smokes opium anymore. Very few people,i would imagine,compared with the numbers of people who consume both legitamate and illigitimate opium derivatives. Once again, pharmcos refined the raw ingredient(opium) and developed a more reliable and consistent method of dosing it,in the form of morphine and codeine. Not content,they then went on to potentiate the painkilling properties of these "natural alkaloids" through chemical synthesis,eventuating in the plethora of pharmaceutical opioids on the shelves of every corner pharmacy today. This in turn lead to the development of many synthetic opioids which are far more potent than nature had ever been able to manage and with many unforseen side effects.

People argue that cannabis has an inherent wholesome value just because it is a "natural plant". This is ludicrous. Tobacco is a natural plant and many alcoholic drinks have their origins in nature. From the hops in beer to the rye in malt whiskey to tha agave plant in tequila. And to believe that legalising medicinal marijuana will somehow circumvent the ability of Pharmaceutical companies to monopolise the market is naive.

Whilst THC may not be patentable, i believe that concentrations of individual of cannaboids or a combination of these with acetiminophen or voltaren,or whatever, will be. Suboxone is a great example of a pharmaceutical company taking 2 old medicines and combining them to make a new one which they then have the sole rights to for however many years.

Anyways i am rambling. It may seem that i am anti when i really am not. I just see it working out differently than some. I  believe that legalisig medicinal cannabis is a giant step forward. If pharmcos have an unfettered ability to experiment with cannabis i am sure we will see many new cannanbis inspired drugs in the forseeable future. As with anything there will always be an irresponsible minority who will abuse the availabity of prescription pot. A vote against medicinal marijuana based on a fear that teenagers will have access to it ( when they already do) or that people will divert it for illicit sales is like voting against kitchen knives because some people use them to stab innocent victims. It punishes the majority for the foolhardy choices of the few.

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by April2, Nov 05, 2010
I don't think they should legalize it for recreational use, only if it really could be useful for medicinal usage and only under a doctor's care in a controled setting. That's my thoughts on it.

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by ARZ84, Nov 05, 2010
I suffer from nausea and vomiting on a daily basis, no appetite, and chronic pain, all of which I could treat with medical marijuana.  My doctor has suggested I move to an area where it is legal, and has even suggested (which is why I won't name which doc) that I get some now.  I wish, and pray they legalize it, for medicinal uses strictly for people like me.  I take 2 types of very dangerous pain medications, Zofran & Phenegran for my nausea both of which are extremely expensive, and protein shakes/powder on a daily basis since I don't eat enough, and an appetite enhancer...to not have to take all of those and limit down to one would be a heaven send to me.  And yes I have obtained it, I will not say how, or in what state/county, but it worked, I didn't take any of my pain meds that whole week, ate and actually keep it down, and I was hungry it was like I had gotten into a time machine and traveled back to a happier post horrid surgery me/

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by margypops, Nov 06, 2010
It seems from this journal that most agree that anyone suffering that can get help should be able to do so I think it really should be prescribed by their Docs. My opinion is that there is no doubt as has been seen in Europe that kids will smoke it, I doubt if teens will ask mom to bake it into a cake or puff on a pipe , so they will be open to the cancers that smoking has caused. and if adults do it you cannot tell your kids/teens not to use it, .anymore than smoking cigarettes .,as kids we copy and learn and thats mostly from our parents .

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by R Glass, Nov 07, 2010
I don’t really care one way or the other. Being illegal has never stopped anyone from smoking it that wants to smoke it. When I was young (of course that was a different era) I smoked it all the time. I grew up. I say legalize it and tax the hell out of it. Let the same laws apply to people that grow it, that applies to Bootleggers. I am 100% for people on Chemo, HCV treatment or any other treatment (or illness) that cause loss of appetite.

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by teko, Nov 07, 2010
I know when they gave a medical script for marinol to my son, it was beneficial in turning things around for him dramatically. He was thin and frail with no appetite and could not hold anything down. The pot helped him greatly, and it was in pill form. I can only say that if one of my loved ones had a condition where they thought they needed it to help them in their illness, this law abiding citizen would go to the streets and find it and buy it for that person.

Now I have to admit that I have used it a few times. The first time I was a passenger in a car that was only going about 30mph and to me it felt like we were going 100. I was the one screaming for the driver to slow down and wanting out of the car. The second time I used it, it gave me energy and I did two perms in the time it normally took me to do one, but I was also paranoid in that when I spoke, I thought I was screaming and just knew all around me could tell I had used it!

Personally that was the effects it had on me and since I did not like the paranoid feeling it gave, have not used since. LOL,  I never got those feelings drinking alcohol or smoking cigarettes. So me personally should not ever use it unless I be sick like I described above. Then I would surely use it in that situation.

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by Cherie762, Nov 07, 2010
as far as smoking goes in public places more and more state have it banned Id assume that since its illegal now to smoke cigarettes in any MI bar, resturant etc.....the same would apply for pot.

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by gigiwi, Nov 07, 2010
I think its an iffy situation. Yes, cancer is a proven illness, but what about those who want it for something obscure, like back pain? People become addicted to opiates because of being prescribed oxycodone and the like for back pain. People are addicted to benzo's for anxiety. Funny to be prescribed something for anxiety that in the end, gives you higher anxiety when you don't take it than before you did. Doctors do and always will prescribe narcotics off label. That is where it gets shady. There are so many people out there struggling with prescription addictions. Yes, marijuana is so safe when you look at addiction stats. Thats where I almost feel maybe in the end its much safer than opiates and maybe it will be proven to be so. The medical community won't know unless its really tried, broad spectrum. Pure marijuana is a great thing. You will not have a bad effect off pure pot. I would bet a lot of bad experienced people report is from the stuff they get from a friend, its from a dealer and who knows where it really came from and what was put into it. I would fully support legislation to legalize it for medical use simply on the fact that I believe it to be so much safer than opiates, benzo's, etc. There are no scary withdrawls and dependency is not physical (but can be psycological). Still way safer than those using other prescriptions, street drugs and alchohol for relief of pain and high anxiety. God, I would love to try medical marijuana for migranes and tension headaches. I wonder if that works. Probably trememdously safer than taking Fioricet.

In the end, I think people are afraid of people acting all stoned, which I don't think happens with prescription pot.

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by gigiwi, Nov 07, 2010
BTW, I am physically addicted to Fioricet. I get shaky, sweaty and rebound headaches if I don't take it. I am down to 1 pill a day, but still - its a highly physically addictive medication and thank you to my doctor for prescribing that. That would not have happened with medical marijuana. I might feel I needed it mentally, but physically I would not have had symptoms if I didn't take it. Wish it didn't have to be smoked, though. The smoking part is bad for your lungs, no different than cigarettes - especially if you need it every day. Is that available in pill form, or smoking form only? I don't believe you can get it in Wisconsin, so I am not sure.

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by TrudieC, Nov 07, 2010
Even if you chose to smoke pot rather than take it in other forms, the amount you would smoke you would inhale in order to help with a physical problem is only 2 -3 puffs - a big difference compared to cigarettes.  I also say legalize it and tax the hell out of it.  It will take dealers out of the equation, ensure safe product, and free up the jails and police forces to hunt down the real criminals.

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by marie3B, Nov 07, 2010
I agree.  In my city the perverts get probation for touching kids and the potheads go to jail.  I don't see how that can make sense to anyone.

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