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Trusting the media is like trusting a Dingo with your baby!

Oct 22, 2008 - 142 comments
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Everyday for a month now, i have received a brochure or two in the mail telling me how wonderful, or horrible one of our presidential candidates is, and how i should cast my vote, or not cast my vote.

it wouldnt be so bad, except these pamphlets are very well made, glossy, shiny, well constructed, nice coloring, and obviously very expensive to make,fold,and ship.

Its made me actually decide not to vote this year, and i had been pondering whether to vote at all considering, i think Oboma is the anti-christ and the other one is a warmongering freak.This pamphlet pushing and utter waste of funds that could have been used to actually support campaign promises, like fixing the economy, helping with healthcare, national debt, homeless, ect. has pushed me over and far far beyond the edge.

I realize they need to advertise the fact that they are running, and how bad the other guy is..... but ive now collected 20 of these brochures in a week and a half.... i believe that is far beyond extreme.One or two the whole time they were pushing for my vote would have been fine, but this overkill of advertising just shows me that they are all lying, wasteful bastards that care more about making a name in history for themselves, getting rich, and having status, than actually helping america.... which is the job they are trying to desperatly to get hired too.

Its a sad state of affairs when you realize that people are starving, homeless and unemployed, while these *** guzzing sperm receptacles sit in there fancy houses and have volunteers meticulously fold these wasteful and in my opinion, pointless pieces of very expensive paper.

Shoot them all, declare anarchy, at this point.... anarchy might actually be a step up!



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by Avanaar, Oct 22, 2008
LOL ...we got an Obama flyer in the mail and I handed it to my hubby and said, "Here's something to burn, hon!"

I truthfully don't know what to do about this election.  Truthfully, I'd rather have McCain in office than Obama (and I agree that he's the anti-christ and wants to turn our nation into a socialist democracy).  I choose McCain on the off chance his age will catch up with him and Sarah Palin will have to step up as President.  =D

On another note, I understand why Obama wants to visit his ailing Gma because I know how important family is ...but when you're running for President, shouldn't your country be just as important?  So why did he sit on his butt during the economic crisis we faced a couple of weeks ago?  He'll leave the campaign trail for Gma, but not for his country?  ...Whatever...

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by shadowserpent, Oct 22, 2008
politics is an ugly game and one i wish we didnt have to deal with, but it seems to be a necessary evil in order to have any kind of freedom. And mcCain wont end the war, and obama well who evcen knows what hell do... im not going to vote... and im sending all those pamphlets back return to sender=P see how they like that!
i might even right a small hiaku on each one..... hrmmm

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by peekawho, Oct 22, 2008
I'm sad!  Not one glossy brochure has arrived at the Peek household.



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by April2, Oct 22, 2008
Peek, I couldn't agree with you more! I hate all the bashing and downright lies. I don't think I'm going to vote, either. I don't like either one of them!

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by melissajean, Oct 22, 2008
i like mccain...ive got nothing big against him....its NObama i dont want running my country....i dont want a man in office who puts other countries before his own...i dont want a man in office that isnt even willing to make public his birth certificate...makes me wonder what else he's hiding...i dont want a man in office that voted "present" more often than anything else while in senate, shows his indecisiveness ...i dont want a man who's morals are the exact opposite of mine conserning important issues (abortion, marriage etc) and most of all i dont want a man who is going to "spread the wealth" as he puts it....you know who else does that? Fidel Castro! So i am going to vote for John McCain, not because he is the "lesser of two evils" i dont believe that McCain is a "lesser of two evils" i think he is the only way to go this year...any sane, intelligent person would vote for him....but i do understand your points in not wanting to vote...but please, i beg you...vote this year, let your voice be heard.....it seems to me that most, or all of us here DONT like Obama...so please at least vote against him, so that the gap between McCain and Obama can get more and more in favor of McCain, and maybe just maybe, this country wont go down the socialist toilet, which is where we're headed if Obama wins.

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by 2ndBaby, Oct 22, 2008
Lovin' you, melissajean...but I disagree that most people here are against Obama.  I've been bashed several times over my political opinions, voiced when I went up against those here who were namecalling and making personal, bashing attacks over McCain and Palin.  Plenty of liberals hanging around here...be careful.

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by pinkbelle, Oct 22, 2008
I am for Obama = ] just b/c hes running for president doesnt mean he has to give us every single detail of his life( his birth certificate) Im young and liberal.. but I respect you for your views ;o) We all just need to get out and vote that is what is important! Make you voice heard!

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by melissajean, Oct 22, 2008
haahaha i just read the actual title of this thread....hahaha...dingo with your baby hahaha ROFLGPO!!

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by alaysha, Oct 22, 2008
Yeah I'm for Obama too. In fact, lots of people on the Pregnancy 18-35 board are so I wouldn't say that this site is right wing or left wing. I am young and liberal and I think that we will be ok with someone who isn't white running this country. Something that I have learned from this election is that most people won't say it but they don't want a "black man" running our country. That in itself is completely against who we are as American's if we can't get over something like skin color. Also, I think personal lives are personal for a reason. So he doesn't publicly share his birth certificate... who cares. So he had friends that ended up in some shady business. I just found out that one of my best friends in high school and a baby and then abandoned her. Also, who cares if he Muslim or Christian... my dad is a white, upper middle class business man and he's a Buddhist. Its just a religion. I hate when people base what they believe in vs. what someone else believes in. I just want someone who can run our country who isn't going to die from old again... and I think Sarah Palin is so inexperienced that it will be a MAJOR set back for our country if she become President because McCain dies.

Also I'm with Peek... not one flyer has made its way to my front door. I'm not sure where you live but perhaps (and this is just a theory) you live in one of the "undecided" states and so they are trying to help you decide.

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by AndiJ78, Oct 22, 2008
Yeah, us liberals are the out to destroy America...

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by AnnieBrooke, Oct 22, 2008
Melissajean, just FYI, Obama's birth certificate is readily available and can be viewed online.  His campaign produced it months ago and all you have to do is google it.  

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by jollyman069, Oct 22, 2008
as much as i agree with you i think everyone should vote. many good people died for us to have that right, and as bad as the candites may be we need to vote, i know we dont have much of a choice but please vote

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by melissajean, Oct 22, 2008
ok first of all i never said anything about black white purple green what have you...i dont care what color any of the prez and vp nominees are...if the colors were switched id still vote for McCain based on his stances on the issues, not his skin color...yeah it would be cool, and a big step forward to have a first black president, but i just dont want Obama ok?? am i suddenly racist because im voting for McCain? Who a person surrounds himself with makes a big impact on who he is, another reason im not voting for him...and the religion thing? he never even said he's muslim, he's got a muslim background but who cares! i dont, you obviously do. Oh and another thing have you seen McCain's mom? 90+ and still kickin', so i have no fear that McCain will die in the next four years...he probably wont run for re-election, but thats ok by me....i just hope Ron Paul doesnt run again....and when i said that "it seems to me that most, or all of us here DONT like Obama" i was referring to those who had posted above me, not anyone and everyone on this site....i was simply agreeing with the majority of the people who posted above me....and Sarah Palin has more executive experience than Obama anyway so dont even start with that!

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by AndiJ78, Oct 22, 2008
My husband made a good point, it is insane how folks will spend 10 times more than they will make from the job. Not just the presidency, but even the gubernatorial races have gotten out of hand.

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by Tuckamore, Oct 22, 2008
If you don't vote, you can't complain, at least that's that's my rule. When I hear so and so complaining about so and so I always ask, "Did you vote??" The response is usually a solid "No, what good what it do?" Well if all the ppl voted that complained maybe we would see what good it would do. I am for McCain. Can you believe I got verbally assaulted in a doctors waiting room and called a R-A-C-I-S-T because I answered the question, "Who do you think will do better?" This woman was hollering so loudly the receptionist told her to shut up or leave.  My decision has nothing to do with race or religion. I simply think McCain is more qualified. I may be wrong, it's simply my opinion. I doubt he will get to prove it. Obama scares me!!! I have heard his called the Antichrist by a lot of ppl. But that is not why he scares me. Just everyone ppl vote. And vote as I will for the candidate that you truly beleive will do the best job leading our country in times of real trouble.  We ain't seen nothing yet!!! Tuck

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by alaysha, Oct 22, 2008
melissajean you need to take a deep breath and calm down or don't write things that will obviously have contradictory views then your own. I never once said that you were racist I have just noticed a LOT of people say that they won't vote for Obama because of his skin color never said that you were saying that but was just pointing it out to EVERYONE in general. You wrote this topic and we are all politely debating it so don't take anything ANYONE says as a personal attack on you.

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by melissajean, Oct 22, 2008
ive seen this comparison sheet, slightly different wording (not as snarky) on another website but i cant find it right now so here's this one....
http ://www .audacityofhypocrisy .com /2008/08/30/ sarah-palin-vs-barack-obama/

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by melissajean, Oct 22, 2008
I agree with you Tuckamore, everyone needs to vote and make their voice heard...that is more important than who votes for whom just vote, thats the biggest thing...hahaha i also agree (sort of) with whatever commedian said that if your guy doesnt win you shouldnt have to pay taxes hahaha! imagine....
  





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by melissajean, Oct 22, 2008
andij78, its true...and most of the time they dont do anything in office anyway...so its like, they spent all that money to win to get in office, then they just sit there....oh well i guess thats better than doing things adverse to progress....

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by melissajean, Oct 22, 2008
i apologize for my above post of the link to the comparison sheet, its not the one i had read in the past, this one is a whole heck of a lot more biased, even if it is biased towards the side i like, i still want to share with you guys one that is more balanced...i will look for the right one that i read in the past and ill post it here again soon...;)

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by jollyman069, Oct 22, 2008
it is sad but even today in this world some people will not vote for a black pewrson and that is so sad.. i was hoping and praying that colin powell was going to run ...i am voting for mcxcain  simply for the reaqson he has more experience in world issues and the world is a very scarey place right now

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by melissajean, Oct 23, 2008
that would be cool if powell ran...i was really hoping condi rice would run, but maybe she needs a few more years to prepare....i thought it would come down to rice vs clinton...haha one of these days...id still vote for rice...

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by snoozies43, Oct 23, 2008
Ohhh shadow.....Mccain will end the war in Iraq. Out of 18 provinces there...12 are secure! The surge DID work. My son is i the military. i keep up with these things. I hardly think Mccain is a warmonger. Supporting our rights for freedom Yes...also Iraq is the central catylist for any threatening territories ..that want to make the world!....all Islam! If we were not there the terrorists would have taken them over...then the next..like now it's Pakistan.

Obama is the anti-christ to me.... Not truly..but do we really know? He has hid everything about his past life..even shut up his pastor he was with for 20 years..what does that tell ya? Not coming forth with his 600 million dollar money raised for his campaign...and since he didn't..it is illegal not to disclose.

Anyways you know where i stand lol.

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by snoozies43, Oct 23, 2008
Yes Obama has to prove his birth certificate.. maybe his grandmother is ailing...but why did he not fly out immediately? he waited 3 days. Birth certificate maybe?

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by jollyman069, Oct 23, 2008
yes condi rice would have been another very good canidate to run , but i think she was smart enough to know she has to distant herself from bush.. but as far as i am concerened u may hate bush but he has kept us safe for 7 yrs now

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by redneckgurl, Oct 23, 2008
I am for McCain

GO McCain!!!!!

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by teko, Oct 23, 2008
If you do not vote, then you do not have a right to b**ch about the state of affairs in this country. If you do not vote, you do not have an opinion. You do not get what you want or bring about change by lying down and playing dead cause yu do not like the rules of the game!  What happens when a whole lot of people do not vote? Dictatorship! Someone telling us who will and will not rule, among other things and no one took our freedom away, we just laid down and gave it away freely? Only in Americal!!!!

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by pinkbelle, Oct 23, 2008
I too believe that some people will not vote for obama simply because he is african american! I live in a very small narrow minded town and its utterly ridiculous..

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by pinkbelle, Oct 23, 2008
and how does srah palin have any experience she was a mayor in alaska? she was charging the state to fly her kids back and forth.. so innocent taxpayers in alaska get to front the bill for her kids to fly here and there.. yea shes an idiot! ( sarah palin)

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by jollyman069, Oct 23, 2008
idiots do not becomes gov. of there state so maybe before u post somethingf u ought to know what ur talking about, even if u dont like she deserves respect.. thats whats wrong with this election like u said small narrow minded people

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by pinkbelle, Oct 23, 2008
Im sorry but in my OPIONION sarah palin is an idiot!!!! ( and alot of people agree with me that she is an idiot0 and heloo Geroge W bush is a freaking idiot and hes the dang president!  and how is me calling her an idiot small minded? I am entitled to my opinion = ]  and talk about deserving respect you are calling me narrow minded not very respectful

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by Jaybay, Oct 23, 2008
pink, you seem to believe this country is full of racist idiots.  Geez... and you vote too.  :-\

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by fungirl1011, Oct 23, 2008
I too am voting for McCain.  I absolutely LOVE Sara Palin.  I think she is awesome and a breath of fresh air!!!  I would NOT vote for Obama, he scares me to death (has nothing to do with his color, has more to do with him voting against a bill to stop late term abortions and for his stand on marriage).  His background is so scary.  The more that is brough out about him, the more scary he becomes.  Of course this is just my opinion :-)

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by AR-10, Oct 23, 2008
I am happy to agree with fungirl1011. :o)

I won't go into my opinions of Senator Obama, but I am thrilled with Governor Palin. McCain is not Fred Thompson, but he will do the best job he can.

Voting is crucial!
Unless your a Democrat. :o)

I kid! I kid!

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by jollyman069, Oct 23, 2008
it doesnt matter who u vote for as long as u vote i dont care for obamam or biden but i wont call them idiots, they didnt get where they are by being idiots... they deserve respect and that pinkbell is doing what she is complaining about in her town being small and narrow minded and it is getting riducles  in this election this year.

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by alaysha, Oct 23, 2008
Jaybay it was actually me that started on the country being racist idiots and I hate HATE to say it but a lot of people I know who I would of never thought were racist have said to me that they will not vote for Obama because he is black. That if we have a black president he will get assassinated. Its not to say that EVERYONE is racist but it does have to do with a lot of people not even listening to his views because they can't get past his color. One news report said that they believe what could possibly happen is that people say they are going to vote for Obama and then won't do it because he is black but that they don't want to appear racist and that if he ends up plummeting in the polls on election day when he has been so high that it will be because of that.

Also, my views on Palin are that she has absolutely no experience. Sad but true. I know that some people believe her to be a breath of fresh air but the fact remains that a year ago she didn't even have a passport and had never traveled out of the country. She doesn't know how to deal with foreign diplomats and if McCain dies then we will be leaving her in charge with whatever person decides to influence her. Its already being said that she is hurting McCain instead of helping him.

I'm also not a fan of Biden at all either. I actually think both candidates made a hugh mistake on who they chose as their running mates. I really think that Obama should of chosen Hilary Clinton but then I guess I can't have everything I want.

Anyways all I was saying in my first post is that it is your constitutional right to vote... use that power because not everyone in the world gets to have a say like we do.

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by Jules77733, Oct 24, 2008
The flyers are going to residents of the battleground states. My friends working in politics just told me the other day that this Presidential race looks like it's going to be decided in Pennsylvania. I guess that explains all the campaign commercials here.....

And people that are playing the race card with Obama...it was Obama's campaign who brought this up, actually, and it's important to note he is just as white as he is black. It doesn't matter, anyway, and I think most people realize this--he's an American, just like the rest of us. From what I've observed with this election, race hasn't been a real contentious issue, except when the Democrats wanted it to appear as such.

Sarah Palin doesn't have as much experience as most people would like her to have, but she's not the top dog on her ticket...McCain is, and he has over thirty years of experience. Looking at the other ticket...sure, Biden has more experience than Palin when it comes to certain issues (like foreign policy), but Obama is severely lacking in experience, not to mention things like a record of bipartisanship, and he IS the top dog on his ticket! The Presidency is not an internship. Palin can be criticized for her lack of experience, but she won't be running the country--McCain will be, and he has 30 years of experience. Obama barely has 4 years in the Senate, yet he would be the one who would run the country if his party prevails on November 4th. I think Obama is a good person and a great orator (when there is a teleprompter, anyway), but he's not ready to run our country, especially not during these times. McCain might not be the ideal choice, but this is just how things played out, and I think when it comes down to it, McCain knows what needs to be done and knows how to get it done. He's more on the moderate side, to boot! I don't see him really toting either party line, should he get into the White House.

Just my two cents. I think everyone eligible to vote should vote. It doesn't mean you have to vote for either mainstream candidates--you could write someone in whom you think would have done a good job. It's just important to remember that one of the mainstream candidates will win on November 4th, so if you want a say in which one (be it the "lesser of two evils or not") you would prefer to have running your country, then you should vote for one of them, undoubtedly. Being silent won't help anything...

Thanks for starting a dialogue, especially one that seems to have remained rather tame (I'm glad to see everyone is being respectful of everyone else) for a political discussion! =)

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by jollyman069, Oct 24, 2008
jules.. rememebr at least gov. palin has executive experience and obama doeant even have that so i agree with u totally

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by melissajean, Oct 24, 2008
i agree with you jollyman about your comment about bush...he has kept us safe...it will only be decades from now that we all can look back objectivly and see that he wasnt really a bad president after all...

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by snoozies43, Oct 24, 2008
I' tame..:O).....Also i do not care if a candidate is black, white, mutli color, spotted, stripped, has hair growing out his nose...well you get the idea.

Point in fact is that McCain and Palin have more experience than Obama combined! And folks want to put Obama in the seat of the white house? Whyyyy? Ask your selves what exacty qualifies him?  Palin literally turned her state  around, and took the money from shody state representatives and gave it back to the people... That is what Amercans NEED today. We need it back in our own pockets. Not someone who would "spread the wealth". They wanted to give her her own private jet...she said naaa, why do i need that? That saved the state another billion dollars. McCain...30 plus years ...is someone who "Knows" the white house and would know how to "work" the senate. Folks who are saying he will have Bush's policies.....huh?????...isn't McCain his own man? Just like if Obama was elected..isn't Obama  his own man?
All of that baffles me. My mother in law is 82..and a wipper snapper.LOL she could do well sitting in the white house.

Point being...all need to vote from their hearts...from what is inside......Truth, and a president that could lead this country during the most historic campaign since John Kennedy. Do we want someone in the white house with NO Experience, during a finacial crisis, and 2 wars? Get a grip folks! This is the turning time in history for USA!

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by jollyman069, Oct 24, 2008
BRAVO  snoozie

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by melissajean, Oct 24, 2008
you have said it best jules, you basically said everything i couldnt articulate through the keyboard....thank you.

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by melissajean, Oct 24, 2008
oh man i need to keep up, bravo to you too snoozie! we've got some great speaker(typers hehe) in this thread tonight!! i cant keep up!

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by jollyman069, Oct 24, 2008
also what is real funny obamas own running mate said the other day that if obama won someone would attack the USA within 6 months because of his lack of experience... now that makes me feel confident when his own running mate questions his experince???... just though u all might fined that funny like me

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by pinkbelle, Oct 24, 2008
i never said the country was full of racist idiots.. it just seemes like when john mccain picked sarah palin it wasnt for her experience i t was b/c she has a vagina... he saw all the support hiliary was getting and decided that him picking a woman running mate would sway women voters but it ended up biting him in the butt cus its actually hurt his campaign. i have nothing against john mccain...  i just believe this country needs big changes.. i dont see john mccain doing that.. i see him as sticking to the bush plan.. where as obama wants change ..and i can see him making changes happen. mccain doesnt strike me as a guy who doesnt want to make any waves well right now we need someone to shake things up

i agree with alaysha biden im not a big fan of either... obama messed up choosing his vp as well.. but any everyone has their own views and thats what americas all about

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by pinkbelle, Oct 24, 2008
when did biden say that.. i want a link to find where he said that? cus honestly i dont believe that

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by pinkbelle, Oct 24, 2008
This is for everyone to read its unbiased! Its views on the important issues by both canidates! Inform yourselves people ; )

HEALTH CARE
Barack Obama

* Would create a national health insurance program for individuals who do not have employer-provided health care and who do not qualify for other existing federal programs. Allows individuals to choose between the new public insurance program or from among private insurance plans that meet certain coverage standards. Requires employers who do not provide health coverage for employees to pay into the national health insurance program. Does not mandate individual coverage for all Americans, but requires coverage for all children. Allows individuals below age 25 to be covered through their parents' plans. Cost estimated between $50 billion and $65 billion, to be paid for by eliminating Bush tax cuts for those earning over $250,000.


John McCain

* Opposes federally mandated universal coverage. Would increase awareness and promote the use of existing children's health insurance programs while expanding community health centers. Supports health care tax dividends for low-income Americans, medical malpractice reform, improving electronic record-keeping, expanding health savings accounts, and encouraging small businesses to band together to negotiate lower rates with health care providers.


IRAQ
Barack Obama

* Calls for the removal of one to two combat brigades each month and a complete withdrawal of our combat brigades within 16 months, seek a new accord on Iraqi's constitution and governance with representatives on all levels, and plans to provide $2 billion for the creation of an international working group to address the Iraqi humanitarian crisis.


John McCain

* Advocate sending reinforcements to Iraq to implement a classic insurgency strategy of securing the population, pushes for political reconciliation and good government within Iraq, and was an early proponent of sending additional American troops to Iraq.


ECONOMY
Barack Obama

* Would pump $75 billion into the economy via tax cuts and direct spending targeted to working families, seniors, homeowners and the unemployed. The plan also includes $45 billion in reserves that can be injected into the economy quickly in the future if the economy continues to deteriorate. Would provide an immediate $250 tax cut for workers and their families and an immediate, temporary $250 bonus to seniors in their Social Security checks. Would provide an additional $250 tax cut to workers and an additional $250 to seniors if the economy continues to worsen. Would extend and expand unemployment insurance.


John McCain

* Would lower the corporate tax rate from 35 percent to 25 percent. Would allow first-year deduction of equipment and technology investments and establish a permanent research and development tax credit equal to 10 percent of wages spent on R&D.


IMMIGRATION
Barack Obama

* Supported Bush-backed immigration reform legislation, which would have increased funding and improved border security technology, improved enforcement of existing laws, and provided a legal path to citizenship for some illegal immigrants. Voted to authorize construction of a 700-mile fence along the U.S.-Mexican border.


John McCain

* Co-sponsored Bush-backed immigration reform legislation, which would have increased funding and improved border security technology, improved enforcement of existing laws, and provided a legal path to citizenship for some illegal immigrants. Voted to authorize construction of a 700-mile fence along the U.S.-Mexican border.


FOREIGN POLICY
Barack Obama

* End the war in Iraq, reconcile with the government, and bring our troops home.

* Obama is willing to meet with the leaders of all nations, friend and foe.

* Plans to work with Israelis and Palestinians to achieve the goal of two states, a Jewish state in Israel and a Palestinian state, living side by side in peace and security.

* Strengthen the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty so that countries like North Korea and Iran that break the rules will automatically face strong international sanctions.

* The international community must, over the Sudanese regime’s protests, deploy a large, capable UN-led and UN-funded force with a robust enforcement mandate to stop the killings in Darfur.


John McCain

* Supports the development and deployment of theater and national missile defense to reduce the possibility of strategic blackmail by rogue regimes and to secure our homeland from the very real prospect of missile attack by present or future adversaries.

* Believes we must enlarge the size of our armed forces to meet new challenges to our security.

* Says military action is an option in regards to Iran, but would consult with congressional leaders before taking action.


ENERGY and the ENVIRONMENT
Barack Obama

* Said he does not support a federal gas tax holiday and called it a "classic Washington gimmick." After voting for an Illinois gas tax holiday while in the Illinois State Senate, he noted that, "Six months later we took a look, and consumers had not benefited at all, but we had lost revenue. I learned from a mistake." Suspend purchasing oil for the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, and advocates a windfall profits tax on oil companies. Against lifting federal government restrictions on offshore drilling and opposes drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Proposes reducing carbon emissions by 80 percent by 2050 by using a market-based cap-and-trade system. Would invest $150 billion over 10 years in clean energy and supports next generation biofuels. Proposes increasing fuel economy standards and would require that 25 percent of electricity consumed in the U.S. is derived from clean, sustainable energy sources by 2025 and would create a Global Energy Forum and re-engage with the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change.


John McCain

* Has called for the suspension of the 18.4-cent-a-gallon federal gas tax and 24.4-cent-a-gallon diesel tax from Memorial Day to Labor Day. The McCain campaign has said the lost revenue would be paid for by money from the general fund. Advocates suspending the purchase of foreign oil for the Strategic Petroleum Reserve during periods of high prices to reduce demand, and believes the federal government should lift restrictions on offshore drilling and provide incentives to states permitting offshore exploration. Against drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Calls for building new nuclear reactors. Proposed a $300 million award for "the development of a battery package that has the size, capacity, cost and power to leapfrog the commercially available plug-in hybrids or electric cars.
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ABORTION/GAY MARRIAGE/STEM CELL RESEARCH
Barack Obama

* Preserve women’s rights under Roe v. Wade a priority as President. He opposes any constitutional amendment to overturn the Supreme Court's decision in that case.

* Opposes constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage, and supports civil unions.

* Supports expanding federal funding for embryonic stem cell research

John McCain

* Believes Roe v. Wade must be overturned.

* Believes the institution of marriage is a union between one man and one woman, and but opposes a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage. He says individual states should decide the issue, and supports legal benefits for same-sex partners.

* Supports federal funding for embryonic stem cell research on embryos that would otherwise be discarded or perpetually frozen.

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by jollyman069, Oct 24, 2008
He said it 2 days ago and i saw about it on CNN so i know he said it cause they are for obama

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by laurel453, Oct 24, 2008
obama the antichrist ??? ....oh, my God , haahaha



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by pinkbelle, Oct 24, 2008
I think this is what you are referring to JOLLY

The whole world is waiting, folks. The whole world is waiting.  I know almost every one of these major leaders in the world by their first name -- not because I'm important, because they were young parliamentarians when I was coming up and we've been hanging around a long time.  Tell you what, and mark my words.  Within the next -- first six months of this administration, if we win, we're gonna -- we're gonna face a major international challenge, because they're going to want to test him, just like they did young John Kennedy. They're going to want to test him, and they're going to find out this guy's got steel in his spine.


And you totally twisted the words...     He did not say because of his lack of experience.. you didn't even read the whole quote ... how about before you start saying things you research and find out for yourself instead of watching a tv show.... the media twists alot of things.. they do it will both obama and mccain! so thats why people need to educate themselves with actual articles .. get up and read something instead of relying on the tv to tell you everything... :o)

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by jollyman069, Oct 24, 2008
you are such a tool grow up act ur age and take it for waht it was

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by snoozies43, Oct 24, 2008
Just type in...Obama and Acorn. ...Obama,Islam,Terrorism,Terrorists. Do the search and see for yourself.
Also A man can change after being with a pastor for 20 years who was a radicall?...and also busted Obama in national Tv. Then Obama shut him up. where is his ex pastor now? Why is he an ax pastor? I have an excellent picture of Obama in his Islam suit. Nooo not altered..it's plain as the hairs on our chests..er..as plain as islamic attire. 20 years with thaat kind of pastor does not change a person over night. Ya think Obama still has friends from that church..you betcha.

I'm not bias..I am just very wise, i pay attention to the obvious, and keep things simple. When the candidates first were announced....what was you gut feeling....simple.

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by pinkbelle, Oct 24, 2008
I am acting my age! I did the research on your quote.. And I didn't bash you.. you are the one name calling here so who is and who is not acting their age? I am very educated and I pride myself on that. I just hate when people spew lies and then can't back it up. I have said numerous times I respect people who want to vote for John Mccain.   I don't put any quotes out there unless I can back it up and I don't twist any words.  

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by jollyman069, Oct 24, 2008
yea ur a real genius

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by pinkbelle, Oct 24, 2008
And since you want to say about Obamas affilations what about Mccain? HE is friends with people who were directly involved in the water gate scandal... each canidate has a past its simple has that.. I have friends that aren't the best of people as I'm sure you do. Everyone deserves the right to have a past...

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by pinkbelle, Oct 24, 2008
Jolly I am not dignifying your posts any more. I have been respectful you have not.. I guess that shows what kind of person you are.. I feel sorry for you that you feel the need to attack me when you don't know me for one and for two you have no reason too. I was simply stating facts and Im sorry that the truth scares you.  I will respect any ones views simply because everyone is different and that is wonderful but its when people start attacking other people I do not respect.

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by pinkbelle, Oct 24, 2008
Snnozie I respect your view and you obviously follow closely and do your own research I applaud you for that = ] And you are entitled to your opinion and I will not bash you for that

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by jollyman069, Oct 24, 2008
what scares me is people like u voteing..

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by snoozies43, Oct 24, 2008
;o/ can we not insult pleaseee. oyyyy. Lets keep it about the campaign. I am not saying who is wrong or right here. Just be cool.

As far as the Watergate scandal...

McCain Expresses Concern Over Unfettered Fund Raising

Elizabeth Holmes reports from Columbus, Ohio, on the presidential race.

John McCain suggested Sunday that Barack Obama’s record-breaking fund raising was a gateway to corruption.

During an appearance on “Fox News Sunday,” the Republican nominee expressed concern over the amount of money his Democratic opponent was raising — and spending. Obama brought in a jaw-dropping $150 million in September, eclipsing his past record of $66 million.

In talking about the news, McCain repeatedly referred to the Watergate scandal that resulted in the impeachment of former President Richard Nixon. McCain pointed to that incident, which included Republicans breaking into the Democratic National Committee offices, as an example of the kind of corruption that comes as the result of unlimited funds. (Shortly after Watergate, the federal government added amendments to the Freedom of Information Act enacting campaign finance laws.) Why were there unlimited funds? Nixon knows this well. That is why republicans decided to take matters into their own hands.

“What’s going to happen, particularly if you’ve got an incumbent president, and we no longer stick to the … public financing, which was a result of the Watergate scandal?” McCain asked. “So what’s going to happen? The dam is broken. We’re now going to see huge amounts of money coming into political campaigns, and we know history tells us that always leads to scandal.”

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by snoozies43, Oct 24, 2008
The honesty of McCain appears again..."as he pointed out that incident"

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by pinkbelle, Oct 24, 2008
I agree McCain is honest I will give him that.. but what I was trying to point out is each canidate has a past .. neither is perfect :o)  And in the end just because you are friends with someone does not mean you share their views

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by snoozies43, Oct 24, 2008
Yes we all have a past. I do think however if one really looks .... their are extremely unsettling connections with Obama. Sorry but to me McCain's connections have no comparrison. Also do folks not think .."Iran" is watching ? QQ they have close eyes as to who will be next president. "Iran" wishes to control the world by converting it to it's islamic ways. They WANT Obama to win. That says volumes to me. They are even holding up signs in Iran, and other non democrat countries! Anyone see the "signs"? I mean honestly.

Remember this is also what will be handed to our children and grandchildren. One may not share anothers views , but as my grandmother, father, mother always said...pick you friends wisely. I do appreciate your honesty pink :O)

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by gwmclean, Oct 24, 2008
As someone watching this election I know that America has a tough choice coming up on November 4th.  For the record, I have a degree in Political Science, and my thesis paper was on The United States:  Cold War Hegemony.  So I do not claim to be a expert in the field of American politics, but I do consider myself informed.

I respect both of the candidates.  John McCain has served his country for many years and should be commended for that service.  But he represents that 'old guard'.  He represents the politics of the last 50 years.  While I think that he would be a sold leader if elected, I think that his thinking is more inline with the politics of the past.

Barack Obama, is representative of the next generation of politics.  He has a different view of how politics should be handled.  I am not saying that this new way of think is better or worse, than the existing model, but it is different.  Change has always been difficult for people to handle.

The last time that the United States has seen this drastic of a shift in political thinking was during the election of John F Kennedy.  During this election, people wondered if Kennedy had the experience to lead the nation.  People question his religious beliefs.  They wondered if a Roman Catholic could handle the office, or if he would take all his direction from the Vatican.  As it turns out, Kennedy did not too bad during his presidency.

I know that people on this post claim that they have pictures of Obama in "Muslim" clothing.  I ask them, in what context where these photo's taken?  I have pictures of the last four presidents in various "traditional" garbs.  Does that mean that George W Bush, is really a Chinese communist?  Or the George W Sr. is really Japanese because he is wearing a kimono?  

And in general, SO WHAT if Barak Obama was a Muslim.  The actual teachings of Islam preach that there should a peace between nations.  The true teachings in Koran recognize the importance and the history of the Christian and the Jewish faith.  They admit that they are all branches from the same tree.

When people claim that “Islam” is a religion of terror, they are speaking from fear.  It is a small minority that is causing this image.  Claiming that everyone who practice the Islamic faith is a terrorist is equal to saying that everyone in Germany is a Nazi, or that everyone who lives in the Southern United States is an redneck.  There may be a minority that this profile does apply to but it  doesn’t apply to everyone.


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by snoozies43, Oct 24, 2008
I tend to agree to disagree....However most of the islams are part of this terrorist organization. Most are not "teaching" peace between nations. It's the majority that believe that all nations should have the same religion. As far as Obama in muslim clothing...yes he has practiced this. There are tons of photos of him. He may have been taught as a child...but carried on with very disheartening individuals after that. I fear the Islams who ARE practicing the beleif that all nations shall be of one religion. It is very clear that alqeada   is terrorising all countries. WE have been safe since 911.

I am NOT voting for a candidate that has such a history, with "several" liberal, terroists, and has NO experience, I do not care if he wore jeans and a party hat ...There has to be "proof" of which he has none. It's not about his muslim decent, or him being bi-racial..which he will not say..instead he chooses to play the race card by saying he's "black". I'ts about who he knows, where he has been, and his record. Obama blows McCain away in having all those against him.

Just basic politics is what is needed in this election. Who are you...what have you done...where have you been.

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by jollyman069, Oct 24, 2008
the muslim religion is one of peace, a true muslim does not beleive in killing it is in the koran same as our bible thall shall not kill. i dont think obama is muslim but his ties to some radical ppl scares the hell out of me and they have been proven... and quite frankley they way the world is today maybe we need the old guard type president in so we stay safe we were attcaked on 9-11 and i am afaird it will happen again with obama as president i hope i am wrong if he is elected.. but you mentioned kennedy.. i belaivre within 6 months of his election the cuban missile crisis happend and we were lucky then to avoid a nuclear war.. i dont think anyone will try anything if mccain would be elected.. he was not my first choice for sure but i truley beleive in this election he is the better choice i didnt say best but better.. i never have seen an election that has polarizewd the country the way this one has .. i guess it is just the way the world is today.. whoever gets elected, may God help us

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by pinkbelle, Oct 24, 2008
gwm clean I totally agree with ever thing you said and you are right everyone was afraid when JFK got elected president and he was one of our best presidents.. They are treating Obama the same way.. he does have a different way of doing things and i think thats what we need someone who wants to do something differently :o)

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by Avanaar, Oct 24, 2008
Just a few notes after reading thru the posts:

I know no one here was saying people who don't vote Obama are racist ...and I just want to reiterate that his race has nothing to do with why I'm not voting for him.  It's his policies and ideas that bother me.

The people who say "I'm young and liberal" ...yes, it seems the younger you are the more "liberal" you are ...but I'm only 27, and I still remember signing up to vote in high school and choosing the Republican party because their general ideals fit more with what I believe and grew up with.  So, in my opinion, being liberal or conservative is more based on how you were raised rather than age.

And for those who keep reiterating Sarah Palin's lack of experience ...she has had more *executive* experience than Obama.  Like someone else said, Obama has sat in the Senate and voted on some bills.  He's probably said "present" more times than he's voted on bills.  Also, I read an interview done with Arnold Schwarzenegger ...and when he was asked what he thought about Palin's inexperience, he said this:

"She will be ready by the time she is sworn in. I think she will be ready. You get up to speed.

I know when I became governor there were a lot of things I did not know but it is not about what you know.

So that's not the only answer, the experience. The answer is, do you have the will? Do you have the will to educate yourself? Do you have the will to get up to speed? Do you have the will? Are you a sponge that absorbs information very quickly? And I have read some of her stuff and she said, 'When I became governor, you know, I didn't know a lot of things but I absorbed information quickly and they could run with the state.' And that's the kind of person that she is. That is what I think she would also do if she becomes vice president."

I, too, think Palin has the will to learn what will be required of her as a vice president.  She did it when she became mayor, then governor, of Alaska.

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by Jaybay, Oct 24, 2008
What this election boils down to for me is freedom (what is left to us) vs. socialism.  John McCain is no conservative, which I am.  He is no GWB either, much as the democrats like to paint him as being.  McCain has voted with liberals on many occasions - much to my dismay and that of fellow conservatives.  At least he is still for the free market capitalistic system that has grown the US into the greatest economic power in the nation.  It is government involvement that has caused this economic meltdown.  Fannie and Freddie were heavily regulated - by Democrats.  They were also heavily looted - by Democrats.  

Obama is nothing more than a socialist.  There is nothing new in what he proposes.  It's been done in western Europe for decades and a proven failure.  Ever looked at France's double-digit unemployment rate?  I've heard many people say they want universal, government-paid health care.  Why?  For the "peace of mind."  One less thing to worry about, right?  Sounds great for somebody else to pay your bills, right?  Giving government that kind of power over your life is nothing short of selling yourself into slavery.  THAT is Obama's vision for this country.

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by gwmclean, Oct 24, 2008
But snoozies, how can you say that "most of the islams are part of this terrorist organization".?  This is a minority within the islamic faith.  This vocal minorty is more often than not, the part that western media explores. The media is a multi billion dollar business, and the goal in business is make money.  In order for the media to generate income the need to create more and more sensational headlines to draw in viewer/readers.  So what is going to draw in more viewer a) a family of four just struggling to get through the day, or b) a lone individual who has a vest of TNT strapped to himself.  The western media has created and continue to re-inforce this image of the muslism as a war mongering terorrist because they know that it wil create sensational headlines.  

Look back thorugh the history of the United States and I will show you example after example of how the Western Media has altered the image of people.  The 60,70's, & 80s you have the image of Soviets as big stren communists that have no sense humor. In the 40's & 50's you have racial profiles of the Japanese in the media as sneekly big teeth, slanted eyes.  You can go back even into the 1860's and 70's with the profiling of the Irish Imigrants being depicted as knuckle dragging, sloped brow neaderthals, barely capable to speech.

You say that after he was schooled in an islamic school that he carried on with "very disheartening indivduals after that".  This is when he came back to Hawaii, and went to a private school.  Are these the individuals or are you refering to when he went to college in LA?  If during this time, he was a member of a mosque, his Iman should be extreme ashamed because this is time in his life that even Obama admits he made mistakes.  He drank, smoked and did drugs, all of

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance, but we must watch that we do not become a vigilante.   We must stand guard against the minorty that is threatening our way of life.  But rather than striking out in a preementive manner, why can we not have preementive dialoges.  When our children are growing up, do we not teach them that fighting is wrong and that they should deal with their problems by talking them out?  Why can our goverments not learn this lesson.  It is past mistakes that have led us to where we are now.  We are paying, with the blood of our generation, for the mistakes of our fathers and our fathers fathers.  The western world is not an innocent victim in this war on terror.  Rather than escalating this war, and shed more blood, nations need to step back and discuss what has led us to this point.  

  

Note:  Not picking on you snoozies, just enjoying debating....Absolutley love you.  

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by pinkbelle, Oct 24, 2008
Before Mccain picked Sarah she had been governor for 382 days and that is it! And Half of those days she wasn't even in the capital of Alaska so really she has about 200 days in the office.. and Obama has had about 300 days as a senator before his nomination. So they both have about the same experience... Look it up if you don't believe me.  :o)    

Sarah Palin is trying to put on this big show that shes like the aveage woman but she is not! She wears 3000 dollar suits... I know that I don't do that..  And I don't want to pick on her for this but I know in my life Family comes first well what about Sarah Palin? She has a son who has downs ( poor thing) and a 17 year old daughter who is pregnant ... that seems like alot going in on her life ( personal) is it gonna have an affect on her job?   how is she gonna have time to tend to her family and be a VP as well? These are just a few things that worry me about her... not to mention She wanted Alaska to break away from the USA....  

Now the reason I am focusing on Sarah Palin is because she is a heartbeat away from being president if something should happen to John Mccain!  And I would not feel safe if she became President! I am trying to think about my daughters future and that is the most important thing to me.. is my daughter! And if John Mccain would win I would fear for her future ( JUST MY OPINION)  

What this all boils down to is that this is one of the most important elections of the last decade! So educate yourself and vote for who you think is right for your family and how you would like to see things run!

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by gwmclean, Oct 24, 2008
When did socialism become a bad thing?  Has anyone ever been unemployeed and received unemployment insurance?  Has anyone ever driven on an intersate?  Does anyone out there know anyone who is collecting Social Security?

Socialism is simple a way for the goverment to distribute programs to the general population.  It has nothing to do with giving up freedom.

Here is Canada, where we have Universal Health Care.  I can still choose what doctor I want to go and see.  I can still book a surgery and at any hospital.  if anything I have more freedom with government run health care than I would under an HMO that dictates exactly who I can see and how many times I am able to see them.

Employment stats our very deceiving, while people may site France as having double digit unemployment.  They neglect to look at the fact the Estonia, has almost no unemployment.  And this is a progressive western european country.

If you truely have a government of the people, by the people and for the people, why should the people be weary of the government?

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by Jaybay, Oct 24, 2008
Since when has socialism NOT been a bad thing?  It stifles creativity and ensures that everyone is at the same level of misery.  Obama tells us himself he wants to "spread the wealth around."  What makes him the One who should decide what we as individuals do with our own money?  Why should my neighbor pay my way through life?  Every time government pokes itself into our personal lives it's a disaster.  Social Security is bankrupt because Congress spent the money on everything else it could think of.  So is Medicare and Medicaid.  

Every time government butts out of our personal lives and personal spending, the economic pie expands.  Look to the Reagan administration.  Before you point to 2nd term deficits, look at congressional spending.  Reagan ushered in the largest peace time economic expansion in our history.  More money went into the US treasury than ever before, but congress spent it all on BS social programs.  I stand by my original point: Giving politicians our money and management of our daily lives is equivalent to selling ourselves into slavery.

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by jollyman069, Oct 24, 2008
we are a captilist country and there is no place for socialism in a capotilist country

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by gwmclean, Oct 24, 2008
But again jaybay I say "If you truely have a government of the people, by the people and for the people, why should the people be weary of the government?"

How is creativity stiffiled under socalism? I beleive that under socialism funding to these area is increase.  You asked what makes him the "ONE" who should decides what individuals do with their own money.  Thats what a leader does.  He leads and people follow.  The political system has check and balances in place ensure that the president is doing what the populus wants.

You quote that Reagan ushured in the largest peacetime economic expansion in your history.  But at the same time, he also ushered in the largest and most costly military build up in the history of the human race.  Bush Jr. followed this trend and has again been pumping money in to the US military to a level that hasn't been seen sense Regan left office.  When Cliton left office, the economy was strong, the stock market was stable.  There was no deficit and the debt was actually being paid down, And people were basically happy.  Eight years later the US has a recession on deck, the markets have crashed, the deficit has sky rocketed, and debt has reach the highest it has ever been.

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by jollyman069, Oct 24, 2008
yea and bush ahs keptm us safe for the last 7 years after we were attacked, and no offense but your countery cant tell us what that is like

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by gwmclean, Oct 24, 2008
No, but would the US listen to a family that has had there houses bombed by US back militants? (Afganistan)  Would the US listen to the people who have had chemical agents sprayed across there farmers fields rendering them barren?  (Vietnam).

When I talk to people in the US they often feel that they are the victims in the war on terror.  But when I ask them about what they think is the root cause of the problems, they think that its simply because every hates the US.  They often leave it at that.  They fail to ask themselves a more important question, which is "Why do these countries hate the US"  Its not because the US is an evil giant.  These people are fighting for there survival and the survival of their culture.  

And jolly you are right my country cannot tell me what it is like to be attacked.  But I can tell you that I have morned along with you at the lives that were lost on that day.  I mourn everytime that a Canadian soldier is killed aiding the Americans in the war on terror.  But I can tell you that Canada is not a target of attack from terrorist because we do not threaten any other nations.  We do not impose our thoughts or beliefs upon anyone else.  Can you say the same about America?

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by dominosarah, Oct 24, 2008
Every election year we spend soooo much time looking at the presidential candidates and all the while the senators are just sliding back in to office.  There is alot of power in the congress.  The president cant do everything.  He has to have the backing of the congress.  Here in Minnesota we have a really nasty campaign going on.  It is utterly sickening.  I have now decided to vote for the one who isnt doing all the slamming.  He is just stating what he believes in and what he wants to try and do if he is elected.  Some of these Senators have been in for years and have no clue what we the american people are facing in this world.  They sit on their special interests groups and wear blinders.  I think they should have a limit to how long they can be in office and then they need to go out into the real world and make a living like the rest of us.  As for the presidential race..........i have no clue who i am voting for.  I have listened to both, have looked at their wives, so the only thing left is to see who has the cutest dog or cat i guess.........but i am voting.

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by jollyman069, Oct 24, 2008
well i guess it is good you live in canada

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by mackjoy7, Oct 24, 2008
I agree. They are wasting so much money. There should be only 1 pamphlet sent out by a nuetral party telling only the truth. None of these commercials and 2 things a day in the mail. I am sorry to hear that some people will not vote, but I guess it is better than people just picking someone so they can say they voted.

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by jollyman069, Oct 24, 2008
sarah i dont know if you liked him or not.. but when jesse ventaure was you alls gov. he spent only $300 thousand dollars on his campagin

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by lonewolf07, Oct 24, 2008
shadowserpent

In Canada, most political flyers are done on re-cycled paper - it's biodegradable.




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by AHP84, Oct 24, 2008
Haven't read all the posts, but just wanted to chime in really quick about not voting. I agree that if you don't vote, it's like saying you don't have an opinion, and gives you no right to complain about the state of affairs that become of this country.
We have a right to vote, as American citizens. If you don't like the two main candidates, vote for a third-party person. True, that's like "throwing your vote away," but it is your right, your decision, your voice as citizen of this country, and it's better than not saying anything at all.
Personally, I think if everyone did enough of their own research on all the candidates who are running and didn't resign themselves to the fact that the election comes down to only two people, then more candidates would have an opportunity to hold a political position in this country instead of just the ones who won the most popular position simply because it comes down to the fact that they had the most money to campaign and reach millions of people. Those who can't afford to campaign are never heard of, even though they are valid candidates and, if enough people knew about them and voted for them because they have that RIGHT, could be elected president (or into some other politcal position).
At least if you vote third-party, you can say you voted, you cared enough to speak up and use the right you have to vote, even if you know you voted for someone who won't win. Then you also have a right to gripe about the state of affairs in this nation if they're not what you'd like to live under as an American citizen, and you voiced that instead of saying nothing at all.

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by Jaybay, Oct 24, 2008
Virgin paper is also biodegradable - and a whole lot cheaper than recycled material. LOL!

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by dominosarah, Oct 24, 2008
Jesse told us like it was.  Many didnt want to hear it but he was honest.  I voted for him and would again in a heartbeat.  He really caused a stir when he shut down the governors mansion.  Said it was a waste of tax payer money and he was right!!!!!

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by boldsojah4christ, Oct 24, 2008
Now is it becouse obama is black that you dont want 2 vote 4 him & burn his brochure! Or is it becouse you believe that he is the antichrist if so how do you know?(avanaar)

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by HelpinUtah, Oct 24, 2008
I agree that no matter who you choose to vote for you have to vote!!!!  It's extremely important and this race is a close one!!!  

Personally, I'm voting for McCain.  I believe he will do the best job - and NO he is NOT Bush.  I'm tired of hearing the rhetoric about that.  I do not trust Obama.  He's the only presidential candidate in history that has spent the amount of money he has on his campaign and he won't reveal where his campaign contributions are coming from.  Just another sneaky thing about Obama.  As for Sarah Palin, she has the highest approval rating of any governor in the U.S. - that tells me a lot about her.  I like her.  If she was to become President if something happened to McCain, she'd do just fine.  She has more executive experience than any of the others on their respective tickets.

As for Biden and what Jollyman said - here's the link:  http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/biden-to-suppor.html  Biden finally told us the truth and the media hasn't made this a top priority to report about.  They are now trying to keep Biden quiet until after the election.  He keeps opening his mouth!!!!  LOL!!!  Just like the comment he made about Obama taking his Beretta!!!  LOL!!!!  

As for Colin Powell backing Obama and everyone is so happy about that.  What happened to the fact the Powell, Bush and his administration lied about weapons of mass destruction and that we should not be in Iraq.  That just cracks me up that all the dems are excited for Powell's backing - but he was a part of the so-called "lies."  LOL!!!!  Don't get me wrong, I respect Powell a ton and I know he is an honorable man, but how can the Obama camp think he's so wonderful if he was part of what they say is lies?  Because they know it's not true.  There were reasons to go into Iraq.  President Bush told us when this war started that it was a different kind of war and we would be there a long time.  He asked us to be patient.  We are winning.  If we pulled out now, we would show the Terrorists that we are weak.  Why do you think they are wanting Obama to win!??!  Since 911, we have not had another attack on this country's land!  I'm sorry I just don't buy into all the rhetoric. I agree Bush has made mistakes, but all our presidents do - they are only human.  

Does anybody remember when the war began, we wanted to go into Iraq through Turkey?  Well, do you also remember Turkey wouldn't let us and so we had to come in from Kuwait.  Because of that, the then evil Iraqi government sent carovans of trucks (WMDs) into Syria and Iran.  I remember the reporters talking about the caravans that they could see from above, but our military could NOT intervene because of how we had to go in.  So, I personally believe that those carvans that they discussed way back when - were taking the WMDs into those two countries.  I can't believe that nobody remembers those reports.  How do people forget things like that?  I think it's convenient so that they can say it was an unjust war, etc.  Yes, war is horrible and I pray for our troops everyday, but I'm thankful we have men and women willing to risk their lives to keep Americans safe.  I feel horrible that civilians in Iraq have also lost their lives - but that's because of the horrible terrorists who have tried to take over over there.  This is a different world and I really wish everyone could realize that!!!!  Peace is a wonderful idea - but unfortunately with terrorists it will never happen!!! They hate us and want to kill us.  

I'm sorry if I ramble, but I'm so passionate about all of this.  

Like I said above, please vote whether you vote for Obama or McCain.  It's your right!!!!  It's so important.  I know all that money could go toward helping people who are starving,etc., but we still need your vote out there!!!  I hope McCain wins, but If Obama wins in a fair election, I will support him as my president!!!  It's the American way!!!  Please don't forget who we are and why we have the freedoms we have!!!  Do your part!!!!

(By the way, I haven't received any brochures - only a recorded phone call from Obama.  I also haven't seen any McCain campaign ads on television - only Obama's smear campaign ads here in Utah!)



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by snoozies43, Oct 24, 2008
i'm going cross eyed..QQ

As a mother of a son in the military....i can tell you that most want to leave with honor...not another vietnam war. Of course most folks don't like the US..ya know why???? Because we STAND up for the down troden. WE give to others for their freedoms. While most countries sit and watch it alllll be destroyed.

I need more chocolate..:D

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by snoozies43, Oct 24, 2008
Shadow look what ya went n done did lol!! waving ~~~ :O)

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by snoozies43, Oct 24, 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_HZMD97nMw

This tells me why...1 among any reasons i will not vote for Obama. Why is he hiding? Why will he not release is university records.

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by snoozies43, Oct 24, 2008
i wub UU 2 gwcy..lol :O) no more choco for meee. You know  i lub ya.

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by irrelevance, Oct 24, 2008
I just wanted to throw in a comment here, I've been following this post and although I agree with the fact it does NOT matter if Obama would be Muslim, or Jewish, or Christian, or any other religion for that matter, I think that what matters is his views on important subjects in this country. However, I do think that honesty is paramount for any political position. Honesty is what is important to me. The only thing that bothers me about the whole "Muslim" conspiracy against Obama is, is he telling the truth about it? I have been confused by several articles of conflicting information, also included, the clip of an interview where he slips up and says "My Muslim faith". Many will back Obama in saying that it was taken out of context and was trying to state that McCain had not talked about his "muslim faith" or his "Christian faith" and was simply a poor choice of words or a simple mistake. Many others are debating that he isn't being totally truthful. And with him not disclosing the origin of campaign funding as well, makes me think he is a little shady. At least Sarah Palin stood up to her own people beside her in political positions and gave money back to her people.
As far as experience goes between Obama and Palin, it should be experience between Obama and McCain, even though Obama pales in comparison in the way of experience either way you slice it, I'm not sure myself he is equipped to run this country. Yes McCain has the experience, but I don't feel all of his morals sit well with my own. So I'm not crazy about either to be honest with you.... But whether they are the best choices or not, this is what we are left with, and I think that experience, honesty, integrity, and compassion are very important traits, to me. Obama does a lot of talk about things and SEEMS compassionate, so he has that area covered, but at the same time, talking and doing are two totally different things. I simply think that McCain is more qualified and ready to run this country. I think that perhaps in a few years' time, Obama would be more experienced and prepared for handling our country.... Especially the state that the country is currently in, financially and economically, I wouldn't be prepared to take that risk with Obama. But I do not discount him as being a good man, and I respect those of you who would vote for Obama. I just will simply agree to disagree. :)

The experience argument, I'd like to show you an article that is quite biased in favor of Sarah, but DOES still point out some key facts, some of which don't hold the MOST importance, but it is a good outline. Also, for more in depth information and opinions on this, you can scroll and read viewers comments.
www .audacityofhypocrisy. com/2008/08/30/sarah-palin-vs-barack-obama/

And I simply must applaud you all (except one or two of you who shall remain unnamed.) that this topic is 90 comments and going strong. Which is a RARE site here on MedHelp, that you guys are all being civil and respectful. I'm proud of you. hahaha

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by irrelevance, Oct 24, 2008
I meant sight not site :)

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by BabyHardiman, Oct 24, 2008
Pinkbelle

"She has a son who has downs ( poor thing)"  Who are you saying "poor thing" to?  Do you feel sorry for HER or her SON.  You shouldn't feel this way towards either of them.  It really irritates me how soo many can be cruel to a downs baby like this.. it really is SAD that you feel this way towards this helpless little baby.  Why exactly do you say "poor thing"?  Is it because he is not perfect?  

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by alaysha, Oct 24, 2008
I think that we should take this back into the context of politics and no get into arguments. I think Pinkbelle meant poor thing as in life is going to be harder for him because of it. Its not to say she feels  bad for a helpless baby but rather that she feels compassion for someone who will struggle through life. Doesn't mean he's not perfect just means he's going to have extra obstacles to face. However that is just how I am interpenetrating what she is saying and am in no means speaking for Pinkbelle.

But I don't think that we should be getting into arguments on here. Everyone of us has our own personal view points on every subject in the world. It isn't "you have to agree with my viewpoint" but that each of us are free to voice our opinions whether or not others agree with them.

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by pinkbelle, Oct 24, 2008
Woah! Back up the train... I do feel sorry for her baby and not because it isn't perfect thats not what I meant.. I  never want to see any parent go through that...  I was not being cruel you simply took it the wrong way.   My nephew is actually a down syndrome baby so I know first hand how difficult it is and thats why I was simply stating she has alot on her plate personal wise ... geesh!

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by pinkbelle, Oct 24, 2008
And alaysha thank you...  And I agree we each have our own personal view points..

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by fungirl1011, Oct 24, 2008
Snoozie, thank you so much for posting the UTUBE video.  It makes me wonder why someone would be so adament about NOT giving any info about thier college years.  You would think that he would be proud of that.  It almost makes me physically sick to see him on TV all the time.  He us such a shady character and is the first to point a finger at McCain but then he wants to hide all of his information.  

As far as Sara being able to take care of her family and do her job, how do any of us working moms have time for work and family???  I am a mother of a handicapped child (autistic, CP and seizure disorder, non-verbal and just started walking this past Easter at the age of 10) who works full time.  I know being VP is not any ordinary job, but do we question how Bidden will be able to handle being a father and still have time for his family????  Does being a man make it any less important to be involved in your child's life?  Let's be fair here.  She has been working in a high profile jobalready and she seems like a great, proud mom to me.   To me,  her son having downs and her daughter ibeing pregnant makes her all that more of a real person with real problems to me.  Once again just my opinion.  Hope you are all having a great night!

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by dawnlyn, Oct 24, 2008
I agree completely with Fungirl.....You should not say Palin has a full plate without saying all of them do if they are parents  then they have a full plate......That is just wrong....

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by marie3B, Oct 24, 2008
Having cancer I read both candidates cancer policies.  One is detailed and thoughtful towards the needs of the cancer community.  The other was totally generic.  No details.  Healthcare is important to my family.  I have a daughter with a genetic disorder.  Health insurance is out of reach for her once she is over 18.  McCain's healthcare policy is ridiculous.  I have studied both candidates policies in detail.  I have watched every debate, not once, but two or more times each.  It was also a shock to me the way McCain made a choice for VP.  What happened to putting country first?  I know more about the Constitution than the hockey mom does.  I agree she is a real person.  I agree that she is probably a great mom.  I agree that she is a great speaker and is very beautiful.  I want more in the person next in line to be president.  I will be casting a very informed vote on election day.  I will be voting for Barack and Joe.  

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by alaysha, Oct 24, 2008
I think the utube video was nonsense (nothing against you snoozie just my personal opinion). First off FOX is very obviously for McCain where as CNN is for Obama. Both news stations will twist any news story to try to come out on top. For instance the last debate I kept switching between FOX and CNN and both of them were saying that their party had won the debate and surprisingly were giving the same statistics but reversed. Also Sean Hannity is so horribly against Obama its not even funny so I don't even listen to a word that comes out of his mouth. News in America ***** and you'll almost always never get the true story. Its a psychological practice of media groups and politicians to take a story and try to find the thing in there that causes distension and fear against someone or something. It basically tries to make you think what they want you to think. I don't trust any news stations in the US at all to be frank. Also, their saying in the news story that they "think" this is who he was taking about or they "think" this is what happened. Doesn't sound like creditable data to me but more like assumptions.

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by snoozies43, Oct 25, 2008
alayasha,

BUT!...the video was "proof".....there are actual people speaking about him...people who he HAS had ties with.even clips of Obama himself. FOX news is probably the only news that presents both candidates. Even if Hannity is against Obama...the video "itself" not Hannity is what brings light on Obama's past. Wouldn't anyone want to know the questions about any candidate...and why they hide things from the public....why did Obama drop his pastor like a hot potatoe? Why didn't Oprah have McCain on her show for a fair chance to hear both candidates? Se had Obama on twice. Any one can look up Obama and his friends, or even McCain and friends and compare the 2.

To want change and to elect a candidate with no experience and to have him sit in the white house during a crisis, and 2 wars, is outright desperate, and thinking ,it will be Obama's FIRST Crisis in history!...McCain was with Bush for all these years..he must be like Bush... Pishahhh. Every person is their own person. I see very clearly the difference if McCain,Obama,Bush, Kennedy..etc. McCain is a leader...not a community leader...who won a couple of awards.

Obama also wishes to have his "friends"..some ol cronnies...sit with him on his board in the senate! Yikes!! All video's "are" proof" of either candidate.. You can't change who they hung out with. Perhaps this is why Obama is hiding things? We will know exactly who they are if he is elected.


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by snoozies43, Oct 25, 2008
I realize that what i posted above does is not all about what alaysha's  post. correction on the name..sorry alaysha.

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by snoozies43, Oct 25, 2008
Oyyyy veyyy, Obama CHANGED his tax policy? Gosh you think he is trying to sway the people? McCain has stuck to his tax plan.

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by teko, Oct 25, 2008
It sounds to me, the way all this **** is being slung at Obama in the last couple of weeks, that there are a whole bunch of people out there (McCain Camp include) that is truly afraid Obama just might win this election! Big Guns are being brought out big time.  Curious tho, why Obama camp is not doing the same thing, hmmmm. Maybe, cause he is the bigger man, more confident in who he is, with nothing to have to defend? Snopes has investigated all this **** and has decided who is lying and who is not, but no one wants to hear that? I find that interesting.  Sure its not race? Lots of people just do not seem interested in facts but are willing to listen to the **** being slung.

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by snoozies43, Oct 25, 2008
We better be afraid. Snopes has it's own spin as well. WHere does snopes get it's facts? I see the facts. I see that Obama wishes not to answer any questions. Could it be because he may win? I bet that is why he is not saying a word. The other side HAS to bring it to light as he will not. That makes me question any person. It's like going on a first date...I would want to know about someone to the best of my ability. If ht e"signs" are there...bail. Obama camp is doing the same thing...many comercials, many sites on Obamas stances against McCain.

I wish to have a canditate that stands for truth, knowledege, and experience for my children and grandchildren. McCain has not sawyed his stance on issues. He has a "proven" record for leadership. Obama has nothing..not insulting it's just facts.

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by teko, Oct 25, 2008
McCain is old.  Has had cancer how many times?He is showing signs of being senile. When asked how many houses he had he did not know but guessed 7. Turns out he owns 11.  Yeah, he can sure relate to me! Which means a pretty good bet that Palin will be in his seat eventually.  So much for experience, truth or knowledge. I will honor whoever is elected, wether they be my pick or not, which is something I am not hearing anyone say on here. I am hearing how Obama scares people.  Well to us guys that like Obama, Palin is scarey to us. Have you ever tried going to the website or emailing a question direct to the Obama capaign or are you content to get your anwers second hand? I feel it is very unfair what is going on.

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by irrelevance, Oct 25, 2008
What a bunch of **** teko, I'm tired of hearing "are you SURE you're not racists?" Simply because we don't like the idea of Obama as president... Seriously, I don't care if he's purple, green, or guess what... WHITE! I still don't feel he's well equipped to run the country. Quite frankly, I personally have seen many more anti-McCain campaign ads on television and in the mail. When they say 'McCain is horrible' it doesn't make me think 'oh gosh McCain is horrible.. better vote for Obama'... it makes me think 'wow, Obama's campaign approach is pretty low to start mudslinging. Although, I feel this way with either candidate, I feel that way toward McCain when he starts the same antics, but regardless, I've seen many more Anti-McCain fancy, glossy, "He will ruin America" flyers and such than I have anti-Obama ones. In all honesty I think I have 2 or 3 in the mail from Obama's campaign, talking about how bad McCain is, I received an automated phone call from him, even!! HE HAS ADS IN RECENTLY RELEASED VIDEO GAMES. If I'm not mistaken, that is the first time in history. And yet he won't reveal where these obviously thousands, if not millions, of dollars are coming from??

I agree with Snoozies, if someone is being secretive or not revealing everything to you, does that make you feel like you can trust them? It doesn't quite cut it for me. We don't need a shady character (NOTE: SHADY IS NOT REFERRING TO HIS COLOR and I'm not RACIST (lol)) running our country because then how do we know he'll live up to everything he says he wants to do for this country in the first place, if we're not even sure he's telling the whole truth about everything else? And yeah McCain is old.. But my great grandma is 83 and she's still kickin', she remembers stuff from back in the '50s. Where are you getting your info from? As others' have said, just about everyone will put a spin on anything before it reaches the public to try to sway people in one direction. Did you HEAR McCain say, with your own ears, that he has 7 houses, and know he has 11? Besides, if I had so much money that I owned so many houses yet didn't stay in them i might forget how many I had, too. I don't even remember what I did when I woke up this morning! But I'm not old, or senile. To me that's not a very valid point. Especially if you have no proof.

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by teko, Oct 25, 2008
KStarr07

Are you even old enough to vote? Do you even have a clue what I am talking about? Gimme some FACTS woman,Back up your mouth with some policies and why they are better for you and what he is going to do for you and your child/children. NoBody said KSTARR is a racist either!, Tell me why OBamas policies, say healthcare are not as effective, or how about taxes. EXPLAIN Cause it makes no sense to me! Tell me how PALIN is Presidential material with the I'll get back to ya and U betcha comments. Calling people socialists! Do you even know what a socialist is? Tell me what a socialist is. If they do away with welfare and everybody HAD to work in order to eat, where are all the jobs it is gonna take to place these people.  Does anyone even realize that if we go into a depression, the first to go are the welfare checks and social security? Just Imagine, the food lines. Is any body on here old enough to remember the last depression? Research it and see what will happen to all of us when that happens. Do you think this country can continue on the pace it is without a lotta people old and young alike hurting bad and no help to be had.  We better be thinkin serious change in this country cause without it, we are doomed.

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by irrelevance, Oct 25, 2008
YOU said "Sure it's not race?" I really get tired of hearing that from people who are for Obama. I didn't call anyone a socialist what the heck are you talking about?? I was simply giving you my opinion and why I'm tired of hearing about Obama's race, I think YOU people pay more attention to it than we do because I hear so many people saying that we are racists because of not wanting him as president or stating his race plays a part in us preferring McCain and Sarah.
And the fact that you said McCain has been putting out downing campaign ads about Obama but Obama has not because "he's the bigger man here". Whatever! That's not true because I see them all over the place. I see some from McCain but not that much.

No, I'm not old enough to vote so I guess if you want to consider my opinion to be void, go ahead. I will not have a voice in this election, but I DO have an opinion. And no one said you had to listen to it, either. And frankly, it doesn't have to be the same as YOUR opinion. Where are YOUR facts? I stated nothing that needed facts to back it up. I stated facts about what I PERSONALLY have seen advertised everywhere, AND I gave you my own opinion on what you were stating about McCain. You're the one who said that McCain said this and that, but have no facts or proof to back what you're saying.  

I HAVE been, by the way, researching as much as I can whenever I get the time to, I know what socialism is, and I know by what I have learned so far and the facts I know about the candidates, mainly the experience level, who I am behind on this election. But I never said that I knew every detail about every issue each party is supporting or not supporting!

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by teko, Oct 25, 2008
Well Ms. KStarr07

I HAVE been, by the way, researching as much as I can whenever I get the time to, I know what socialism is, and I know by what I have learned so far and the facts I know about the candidates, mainly the experience level, who I am behind on this election. But I never said that I knew every detail about every issue each party is supporting or not supporting!




You said a mouthful.  So much in fact that I absolutely find myself speechless!.

Enjoy the remainder of your day.

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by irrelevance, Oct 25, 2008
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Uhmm alright.. You, too!

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by keepurfaith, Oct 25, 2008
This is why I chose not to vote this year. I know that every vote counts but when your this confused you shouldn't just go with a gut feeling... You should have a reason behind why your voting.. I can't stand this time of year.. It confuses me SO much!

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by snoozies43, Oct 26, 2008
Go with your gut feeling. When i first saw who was running for the candidacy...My first gut reaction was experience.

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by alaysha, Oct 26, 2008
You say that Obama won't talk to the media and is keeping things secret? So is Palin. When reporters try to talk to her she will not talk to them unless it is scheduled. They were asking Palin questions when she was trying to get onto her plane and she just walked in and didnt acknowledge them. Both sides are trying to make each other look bad and I'm sorry but FOX isn't "fair" media. It is a conservative republican channel and doesn't voice both sides. It may pretend to but it doesn't. Also, is it possible that both of the candidates aren't talking because they think that what people are saying is stupid and just don't want to listen to it anymore? I know that I don't like when people say that I did something or thought something that I never did. I hate it even more when I get accused of it for months and there is no basis on what happened. It happens. Obama is getting accused his party and he himself have said that there is no basis to what they are saying and yet it keeps being brought up. Dirty politics.

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by tiredbuthappy, Oct 26, 2008
this thread is very interesting to read and has given me a lot of insight into why people support either side. i forget now who it was, but i was touched by the person who said that he very strongly supports McCain, but if Obama were elected then he would support him because that is what this country is about. out of this entire lengthy thread, it is that poster who got through to me the most.

but, i've been watching the polls, and it seems i don't have to worry too much- my preferred candidate seems to have a pretty solid lead :)

i did have one thought that i would like to add though. i think obama is "hiding" his past because people will blow things out of proportion. I am not the same person i was when i was in highschool and college. no offense to high school and college aged people on here, but when you're that young you are ignorant and you make mistakes.  and you are trying to figure out who you are and where you belong in society.  my values and morals have changed with time. i am no way the person i was back then. The media would blow anything and everything out of proportion. Who i hanged out with did not dictate who i was. i had a friend who had an abortion. does that mean i am for or against it? i had friends who did drugs. does that mean i did drugs? i had a friend who was a buddhist. Does that mean I am secretly a buddhist? But you KNOW that if Obama had any friends like these in college, the media and his opponents would automatically say he is his past and the friends he kept were indicative of who he is today.



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by HelpinUtah, Oct 26, 2008
Tired, I am the one who said that about Obama.  I do support McCain and would love for him to win, but if he does not win, I will support Obama as my President and hope that he does a good job.  I will pray for him as well and wish him well. I also believe he will win based on the polls.  It makes me sad, because I think he is all rhetoric, but like I said, once he is elected, I will support him.  I am an American first and will do everything I can to support my President, given that they do the will of the people!

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by Vancetw202, Oct 27, 2008
I am sorry, but I want to make sure it is clear that Obama's birth certificate is actually not a certificate at all, it is confirmation of live birth, and it fraudulent.

"look closely at Barack Hussein Obama sr's race. It is listed as African.
That doesn't seem all that interesting and no one has noticed it until one looks that this is an official document filed in August 1961.

Most people on the internet and blogging have no sense of history nor in the use of words and it is this lack of sense which is going to bite whoever forged this document.


Up until 1968, the standard term for all Africans was "negroe". This fit with the absolute secular scientific teaching of the day which notes the world has 3 races in Mongoloid, Caucasoid and Negroid.
It was not until the Black Revolution when negroe or negro became a foul description in the late 1960's and then "black" was demanded by this group to describe them.
It was not until the late 1970's when political correctness came into vogue that it ushered in by the 1980's the term "African" to describe all blacks.

Whoever forged this birth certificate was not utilizing the 1960's terminology which a black person would be listed as. They fell instead into a warped year 2000 politically correct description of "African".

This is absolutely telling as if you looked at birth records in Prussia centuries ago, those people would be termed Prussian, Bavarian etc... as Germany did not yet exist as a termonology for nation state. If someone was listed as German in 1700, it would be glaring forgery just like the Obama forgery stuns the eyes once one knows what they are looking at.

One could research the certificates in Hawaii for absolutes, but considering as has been warned in this blog that Hawaii is a Democratic state, has Democratic officials who have been hemming and hawing about this certificate and only upon precise questioning do they start backing down as it means their jobs and prison time if they certify a forgery as real and this is Democratic transplanted son Barack Obama carrying on this charade, could one ever get a clear answer from them unless one looked at numbers of birth certificates to precisely learn how Hawaii was labeling "blacks".
If this case it is African, then why is not Stanley Ann Dunham labeled correctly North American after her continent? She though is labeled correctly as caucasian as that is exactly as she is.

If one still today searches enough death certificates in the 50 United States, you will find listed on them the term NEGRO. Now that is over 40 years since 1961 in Barack Obama's birth and political correctness has not reached completely into the coroner's records.
That fact is scientific and if it still exists today as proof it certainly is the proof from before 1900 in America and past 1960 that all blacks were noted as "negroe" or "negro" on all public records from birth certificates, marriage licenses, passports, driver's licenses to death certificates.

Whoever forged the Barack Obama birth certificate got caught in Mr. Obama's own political correctness.
In 1961 America, blacks were negroes and not Africans no matter if they came from Africa or not.
If one cares to examine the Negroe Leagues in baseball where blacks were to "pass" as Cubans to the United Negroe College Fund to the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, there was no African at all in any terminology.
One was negroe on legal documents and "colored" in common usage.

No pixels in this. No questioning borders and no questions about the researcher's expertise as negroe is American history and scientific fact just like whoever forged the Obama birth certificate got caught in political correctness in not being able to use a term they were trained to avoid."

-The Lame Cherry
http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2008/08/proof-barack-obama-birth-certificate-is.html

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by AndiJ78, Oct 27, 2008
Oh good grief, the conspiracy theorists of the world need to find a better hobby. Volunteer in a nursing home, help the homeless, grow a garden and donate the food to a food bank.

Countless hours spent picking apart the most mundane things cannot possibly make for a fulfilling existence.

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by alaysha, Oct 27, 2008
If his birth certificate was forged and there was just proof of it lying around on the internet for someone to pick up then I'm positive he wouldn't be allowed to run for president. I'm sure lots of very intelligent important people have confirmed him as being born as a US citizen. Also he is 1/2 black not full.

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by snoozies43, Oct 27, 2008
Oh my here goes Obama again... Cuts off Fla tv station completely....for what?..because an interviewer from that staio asked him about Marx. To many secrets he is hiding for me.  ALSO...on his website where you donate by credit card...strange his team is NOT checking the validity of those donating. They just accept any donation from whoever. That means anyone who has had their id stolen can even donate..that means anyone can use a bank card # and donate. How freeking fraudulent does a candidate have to be? McCain's site IS NOT accepting donations from unidentified donators. Hmm Could that be why Mccain is not spending as much as Obama is on his campaign? Actually in FACT..Obama spends more on his campaign...3 to 1 ratio//in comparison to McCain and refuses to let  US the people for the people..know where it is coming from. THIS IS ILLEGAL! Guess what if the government doesn't do anything about it now...if Obama is elected...to bad...done deal. This is what i see can happen to US if he is president. Great huh?

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by jollyman069, Oct 27, 2008
i am really hoping with just 8 days left in this circus side show.. thta is what this election has become... that the american people will just take a step back forget about all the negativity on both side and just really look at waht issues mots concern them and look at the candiate stance and make a decision on who they want to vote for and just vote..i truly hope somehow the govt will look at how long this election has gone on.. both canidates have really beeen running for 2 years now and not doing the job that the taxpayers are paying them to do... be in Washington debating on and voting on bills.. this election has gone on way way too long and the one thing that suffers from it is our country as a whole... look how people are treating each other and the nasty things on both sides going on in this campaign.. the econmy is in the toilwet people are truly suffering over it and the world is amess everywhere.. so lets vote and when it is over be atrue american and get behind your president and lets make this country great once again

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by HelpinUtah, Oct 27, 2008
I couldn't agree more Jollyman.  This election has been a joke to say the least.  Both sides have their faults.  What is unbelievable to me is that Obama has been a U.S. Senator for 2 years and in that time he has run for President more than he was a Senator for our country.  Perhaps that's why he has voted present (not vote) most of the time.  

Let's ALL vote and make the system work.  If Obama becomes president even though I worry for us if he does, I will do my best to support him as my President.  This country is and has been the greatest on the Earth and it can be forever if we will just do what's right and stick together as Americans!!!  Let's remember who we are!!!  We are the light of the world and the world has looked toward us to keep being the beacon of hope that they need.  Let's not give that up!!!  The world depends on our example.  And, we as Americans depend on each other.  Let's be kinder and nicer to each other and be honest with each other.  Let's remember that we are Americans first - not democrat, republicans, libertarian or whatever!  Americans first!  Remember our forefathers and what they fought for - our freedoms to choose.  To be free in all aspects of our lives.  Don't forget who we are!!!!

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by shadowserpent, Oct 27, 2008
Well when i posted this... i had NO idea how many comments i would get!
so far im at 122.... its insane!
Some key points ill go over...
No i will not be voting, no amount of pleading will help, i honestly coudlnt pick one and would cast a write in vote for hillary clinton, but it matters not as my agoraphobia has flared up and i havent left the house in a week... so me going to a packed pole place is out of the querstion unfortuntly.
I really have been calling obama the antichrist since he first came into play in the media when he was still.. a senater? i beleive? just too many things clicked right, and im not even that relegious of a person lol!
and its very funny... i have no tv...... i dont get the newspaper.... i rarely check the internet for news..... yes even i knwo what a joke teh election is!
and i live in missouri... is that a contested state? is that why i still getting these damn flyers?
which i have been returning to sender btw...
thanks for all the comments its great to see everyones point of view.... and ive only gotten a chance to read about half of them..... lemme catch up and ill comment again!

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by shadowserpent, Oct 27, 2008
well that was a long read... seems everyone kept things toned down and didnt try and start very many fights..... lets keep things peaceful!
sorry for the spelling mistakes im on painkillers.....
and wow... still cant beleiev my entry got this much attention...
i still think that in 10 years well be in a state of anarchy if not sooner....
but then i am an anarchist... so mebbie im biased?
anywho.......
keep on debating folks!

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by irrelevance, Oct 27, 2008
Anyone read the update on the truth of Palin's big "pipeline accomplishment"?... I don't know what to think anymore.. I just hope American's can make the best decision for our country (I can't vote anyway) and that things turn out ok...

btw anarchy would be utter chaos and you'd have to fight for your life on a daily basis. our freedom and democracy is what our own relatives and grand parents (unless you're foreign) fought and lost their lives for...

You know whoever said Obama is the 'bigger man' well, I got atleast four more of his ads in the mail, today ALONE.. They are like within 5% of each other in my state right now.. But Obama even had a little campaign MAGAZINE sent out... anyone else get that? Tell me he's not spending a ton of unknown money on his own campaign.. I don't like that about him... If he wants to make a change for our country he should stop throwing so much money away for what is looking like a high school popularity contest to me lol

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by Tuckamore, Oct 27, 2008
I supported Hillary. She was far more qualified than Obama. McCain is more qualified than Obama. I am not racist. I would have voted for Mr. Powell and possibly Ms. Rice. But you can beleive that an African American MALE will see the Presidency before a FEMALE of any color does.  What do you call that??  I call it very, very sad. But that is only my opinion and we're all entitled to one. Tuck

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by melissajean, Oct 27, 2008
that is true tuckamore...i wish Rice would have ran, i would have supported her all the way from the beginning, i would love to see  her become president! i would have also voted for powell, but until then, im voting mccain.

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by teko, Oct 28, 2008
Obama/Biden vs McCain/Palin, what if things were switched around?....
think about it.

Would the country's collective point of view be different?

Could racism be the culprit?

Ponder the following:

What if the Obamas had paraded five children across the stage,
including a three month old infant and an unwed, pregnant teenage daughter?

What if John McCain was a former president of the Harvard Law Review?

What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his graduating class?

What if McCain had only married once, and Obama was a divorcee?

What if Obama was the candidate who left his first wife after a severe disfiguring car accident, when she no longer measured up to his standards?

What if Obama had met his second wife in a bar and had a long affair while he was still married?

What if Michelle Obama was the wife who not only became addicted to painkillers but also acquired them illegally through her charitable organization?

What if Cindy McCain graduated from Harvard?

What if Obama had been a member of the Keating Five?(The Keating Five were fiveUnited States Senators accused of corruption in 1989, igniting a major political
scandal as part of the larger Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s.)

What if McCain was a charismatic, eloquent speaker?

What if Obama couldn't read from a teleprompter?

What if Obama was the one who had military experience that included discipline
problems and a record of crashing seven planes?

What if Obama was the one who was known to display publicly, on
many occasions, a serious anger management problem?

What if Michelle Obama's family had made their money from beer distribution?

What if the Obamas had adopted a white child?

You could easily add to this list. If these questions reflected reality,
do you really believe the election numbers would be as close as they are?

This is what racism does. It covers up, rationalizes and minimizes
positive qualities in one candidate and emphasizes negative
qualities in another when there is a color difference.

Educational Background:

Barack Obama:
Columbia University - B.A. Political Science with a Specialization in
International Relations.
Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna *** Laude


Joseph Biden:
University of Delaware - B.A. in History and B.A. in Political Science.
Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)

vs.

John McCain:
United States Naval Academy - Class rank: 894 of 899

Sarah Palin:
Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester
North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study
University of Idaho - 2 semesters -journalism
Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester
University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in Journalism


Education isn't everything, but this is about the two highest offices in
the land as well as our standing in the world.


You make the call.

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by snoozies43, Oct 28, 2008
Well Obama changed his tax plan once again. That is also something to ponder. 4 times now.

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by melissajean, Oct 28, 2008
GO snoozies43!

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by melissajean, Oct 28, 2008
sad thing is, there are some people, no one in this room i see that we're all critical thinkers here, but there are some people who are not voting for Obama because he is black, and some other people who ARE voting for Obama because he is black...and the silly thing is, im sure a lot of those people NOT voting for Obama would have if he were white, and some of those people who ARE voting for Obama would have voted for McCain had he been the one who was black....what people need to be doing is stepping back, looking deeply at all the issues and where each candidate stands, and vote from that, which one stands for what you believe in? even if it isnt what i agree with as you all know where i stand now, vote your heart, what do you believe, which candidate best represents those beliefs? which one do you think is best fit to lead this country as it stands now? which one do you think has the best laid plan to get us back on track with this financial crisis, with these wars, and as a country and free people in general? ask yourselves those questions, and whatever your answer is, vote that!
*this is of course directed towards the people who probably will never read this since all of us here are voting for our chosen candidate for GOOD reasons, and not the reasons i stated at the beginning of this paragraph* :/

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by AndiJ78, Oct 28, 2008
I have respect for someone who can adapt to current situations. I do not have respect for someone who sticks with a broken plan for the sake of sticking with it.

I believe Teko made a very profound point and I believe it struck me more than anything I have read on the web site regarding this election. I have already voted. No one is changing my mind. It is likely anyone here is changing the mind of another. On the contrary, they are only serving to change the opinion others have of THEM, not the candidates. A well articulated argument is one thing, but what I have witnessed here has been far from that in most instances.



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by Tuckamore, Oct 28, 2008
So teko, better lawyers, that we all love and trust, run this country.. than not?  Where is the sense in that? A Law Degree does not a president make. Car Salesmen are more trusted than an attorney.

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by melissajean, Oct 29, 2008
Amen.

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by gina09, Oct 29, 2008
shadowserpent - Antichrist?  Wow, pretty juvenile. I can understand not liking a candidate, but using words like antichrist, *** guzzing sperm receptacles, etc.  

Maybe grow up a bit and you might be worth listening to.

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by fungirl1011, Oct 29, 2008
I think that Obama (not because of my vote ) will win this election and then is about a year people are going to be thinking "What in teh HELL have we done?!?!?!?!"  It terrifies me so much to think that he may become our spokesperson for the US (NOT because of his color either!!!)  How in the world is he going to run our military when he has NO NO NO experience??  I personally agree with all of John McCain's policies and am praying that he wins.  It makes me so MAD how teh media is tearing Sara Palin apart!!  Why are the same question that are being asked to her not being asked to Bidden??  Obama is one of the first people to say how this country is in so much economic crisis and yet he is PAYING different media stations $1,000,000 EACH to play his half hour commerical tonight!!!  If he is that worried about this country shouldn't he be putting that money to better use????  

One other point I want to make is just because McCain has had cancer twice does not mean that he is not able to run this country.  ANYONE of us could drop dead at anytime.  To say that since he has had cancer that he should not be President is absolutely STUPID!!!!

Just wanted to throw in my two cents worth :)

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by teko, Oct 30, 2008
I for one am done with politics. I will support whoever wins the election. And if in 4 years I am sorry, I will not blame anyone except the one who did not deserve our trust. Not anyone who voted for em, regardless of who it is. Stay safe.

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by shadowserpent, Oct 30, 2008
thanks, i know what anarchy means=)
and using words like anti-christ means i need to grow up? well now, that is a new one on me!
im so very very glad that november 4th is almost here and then will be over and done with.... ive still recieved at least two pamphlets daily, me and the postman joke about how i return them to sender... he doesnt even mind he delivers them just so i can send them back, in fact he thought it was a grand idea.
i feel sorry for the postmen, there overworked as it is and now they have to tote around even heavier bags full of b.s.
you can ask any postman and they will admit there bitterness about the overexcessiveness of this presidental campaigns
advertising through mail.

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by snoozies43, Nov 01, 2008
Plants star on tukeamore's forhead :O)... Isn't that the bottom line here folks? It baffles me how someone can vote for a candidate with NO experience whatsoever, and have them in the white house during 2 wars, and amidst the worst financial crisis since the great depression....and what was the main trigger for the depression?  TAXES! This when when our country started to impose more taxes than anytime in US history before that time. Good luck when taxes are raised, for folks who are already with loses.

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by melissajean, Nov 03, 2008
i agree with you fungirl1011 , if Obama wins, which so far it looks like its in his favor, america will soon realize their mistake in voting him in...they'll be like "WTF did we do!? WTF is He doing!?!?" and it will be too late....i also agree with you snoozies43, it baffles my mind...

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by shadowserpent, Nov 04, 2008
well kids... today is the day!
the day you all will be voting. the day i will happily hide in mu house and wait to hear the outcome..... which either way... well i wont say that, i guess id be happier with mckain... obama scares me, hes too charsmatic, to nice, hes to .......whatever everyone wants him to be. and that usually means hes not a nice person....
welll vote for who you will.... good luck i hope we end up with a good president, though my doubts are many.
happy voting day!

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by melissajean, Nov 04, 2008
i thought you werent voting because you coudnt choose between the two...im sad to read that you have a clear choice but are still refusing to vote.

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