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Dec 09, 2008 - 23 comments

OK, I just saw a news video about how some mother tried to get Rudolph The Red Nosed Reindeer pulled from her daughters school pageant.  WTF!?!?!  She said it had the word "Christmas" in it, therefore it was too religious.  Are you joking me??  The woman was Jewish BTW.  I am getting so tired of people getting up in arms over x-mas...this is insane......no Xmas trees, no wishing people merry Xmas.......If you don't celebrate then just ignore it, why do you have to ruin life for other people?  I don't care if a store has up a menorah or anything else that represents any other religious beliefs...that doesn't mean I have to believe....it just pisses me off that other people can't just let things be.  Did you know my son couldn't even have a Halloween Party in his class this year, so as to not offend people that don't celebrate?  That just disgusts me......sorry,k but I don't care if you don't agree....this is just sad.

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by April2, Dec 09, 2008
My son's preschool is the same way. They won't celebrate any of the holidays or their birthdays. I think we go way overboard with the politically correct garbage anymore. It's sad. These are kids and they can't even have a party.

Someone wrote a journal on here this week about how Ben Stein feels about all of this. I wish I could remember who it was. He's Jewish yet said he had no problem with Christmas trees and people saying Merry Christmas.

The world is just going nuts. I mean when we have labels having to warn us about the stupidest things that no one would possibly ever think of just to save them from possibly getting sued, I think it dumbs everyone down.

And now we're so busy trying to not offend anyone, but someone's bound to get offended. Maybe we all need to stop getting offended so easily and try and understand each other and our differences more. Maybe we'd have more peace and good will on the earth if we did that. Just what Christmas is supposed to stand for.

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by CloudieGin, Dec 09, 2008
There are plenty of non-Christians who celebrate Christmas, anyway, so I don't get what the big deal is. Besides, today it's all about materialism. Kinda sad, but true nonetheless.

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by MJIthewriter, Dec 10, 2008
It's crazy I agree. I agree with many of April's points, but I still am left confused. Why do people get so offended so easily?  This really baffles me.

I don't understand why it would be so offensive but someone must in order for it to be offensive to a group of people. I just wish people could be more accepting.  Reading this my mind scatters in many directions.

One thought:  I'm autistic. They say autistic people lack flexibility and like everything rigid (otherwise God forbid a tantrum emits).  If someone is having a fit about a word, I doubt they are autistic, but geeze, who is the more inflexible?  In that aspect I feel I may be more flexible than the "average" person.  I remember at work asking someone to pray for me. She is Muslim. I felt a little awkward but then I realized I did something right, because after all I believe God desires unity. I believe God wants us to get along with one another, rather than find reasons to divide oneself from another.

Even if one doesn't believe in God I still desire unity. That's why I'm not crazy about the evangelism part of religion. I don’t like to push religion at people. Rather I desire the spiritual aspect of believing in a Higher Power.

Another thought:  There was a time my mom didn’t want to celebrate Halloween after we watched some videos describing the pagan roots. The video made it out like as if we were shaming God and encouraging evil by going out trick or treating … That video and its ideals haunted me for a while, but then at some point I decided to let it go and practice trick or treating anyway. I may not buy into the past, but I don’t believe it is evil like the video made it out to be. I’m not sure where I am going with this statement but I’m going to say it anyway: Human intentions matter more than tradition. Done with the right intention, I believe that matters more than what it used to be in the past.

That said I wish people could let go, regardless of religion or beliefs and focus more on intention rather than past beliefs and past ideals if those don’t seem agreeable.


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by jollyman069, Dec 10, 2008
sad is not even a good word to desribe it.. guess there really isnt a good word to describe whats going on.. what baffels me the christmas tree has nothing to do with reliugion.. it comes from pagen germany where the people celabrated the winter soltice. and this country was founded on freedom of religion. so why cant we celabrate them all without all tis stupidity.. ok this woman doesnt celebarte christams thats ok but like thge writer says why ruin it for the other people.. i dont care that the jewish people celebrate hanikuke and excuse the spelling.. this is just so out of conttrol.. one of the other problems with this country.. we have turned our backs on God..

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by ziggysgrl0724, Dec 10, 2008
You know, having children I have realized what Holidays have turned into...of course now it is more important to make sure that you are making memories for your children that will last them all their life, and they will carry it on with their families.  I am seriously afraid of what all of this "politically correct" nonsense about the holidays will eventually turn them into......If a woman gets so mad over a child singing rudolph the red nosed reindeer....what next, ya know?

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by GNicole, Dec 10, 2008
I agree, I am so fed up too. My nephew has a Christmas program every year at school and this year they have to call it a Winter program so that no one is offended. Give me a break!!

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by deanne11, Dec 10, 2008
Ahhhh the joys of the holidays.

Merry Christmas Everyone!!!  hehehe

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by mami1323, Dec 10, 2008
deanne11 my love, how are you?

I think people are too easily offended.  Who cares, live your life and let others live theirs.

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by deanne11, Dec 10, 2008
I agree Jezi...People need to get over it!!!

To my PC in the world today!  

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by Jenny100, Dec 10, 2008
The point I always make is: WHY are we catering to the people who take Christ out of everything, in order not to offend THEM----when taking it OUT offends ME???

Why is THEIR desire to have Christianity stripped from Christmas MORE valid than MY desire to have it in??

Because they squawk the loudest I guess.

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by GNicole, Dec 10, 2008
Well said Jenny 100!!! You know what they say about the squeaky wheel!!

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by ziggysgrl0724, Dec 10, 2008
Jenny-

That is exactly how I feel....like in stores..they worry if offending people with x mas will keep them from shopping there...don't they worry that by appeasing people who take it too far, they are offending people like us?  Why doesn't out opinion matter?  I already said that if a business wants to display a menorah or any other traditional symbol of another religions faith, it doesn't bother me....not all....so why does it have to bother them is there is a decorated tree.....

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by Jenny100, Dec 10, 2008
I totally agree--I dont care at all when I see any symbol of Hannukah anywhere. I cant imagine getting all offended about that!!  But yet there are some who get all bent out of shape about any Christian symbol of Christmas. Ridiculous.



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by April2, Dec 10, 2008
Well, and if you think about it Christianity's roots are Jewish. Look at Jesus. I agree, though. I think Christianity is getting attacked way more than any other religion. Most people can be accepting over belief in God but not Jesus. I wonder why that is? Why is Jesus always the stumbling block?

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by Avanaar, Dec 10, 2008
Truthfully, the holidays most of us celebrate (Easter, Halloween, Christmas) are more about buying things for others and, like ziggy said, making memories for our children.  They have been taken away from their religious contexts for the most part and have been commercialized.

Historically, most Christian holidays are revamped Pagan holidays ... Christ wasn't born on Dec. 25th ...and I doubt Santa Claus was sent by God to deliver toy to the good children of the world.  But that doesn't change the fact that many Christians still celebrate these holidays based around their beliefs.  They shouldn't have to "hide" their joy and good feelings because someone else might be offended at "Merry Christmas."

I am agnostic ...but I love celebrating the holidays throughout the year, whether they are Christian or not.  Do I get all vamped up for Rosh Hashanah?  No ...because I was not raised in or around a Jewish family.  But do I respect the Jewish faith enough not to **** on their parade when their holidays come around?  Yes, I do.

The whole changing "Christmas Pageants" into "Winter Pageants" is an attempt to include other winter holidays (Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, and Winter Solstice) into our society.  Will they still be singing the same songs about Rudolph, Frosty, and Santa?  I hope so!  Will they be singing "Hark, the Herald Angels Sing" and "Away in a Manger"?  Probably not, because that would be "too offensive" to the non-Christians.  >.>  In my opinion, throw in a song from each religion that celebrates during the Christmas season ... and if that religion doesn't have a song?  They better come up with one quick!  =D

I liked what MJIthewriter said: "Human intentions matter more than tradition. Done with the right intention, I believe that matters more than what it used to be in the past."  If we come into the Christmas season with the intention of giving and passing on joy and love, then don't worry so much about where the holiday stems from (Christian or not).  Create lasting memories with your families ... teach them how to give and teach them how to not be judgmental of other peoples' beliefs.

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by pertykitty, Dec 10, 2008
i adore seeing xmas, hannakuh, even quanza(sp) when i go out.  i find it wonderful that at this time of the year and hopeful that the next year will bring peace or maybe something that the previous was lacking.  im not a person who attends church, i dont discuss god with many, but i hate the idea that christmas could turn into holiday.  i tell everyone that tells me happy holidays~ merry christmas.  it is christmas to me, not holiday.  

if they dont believe in christmas, then why are they shopping for it? ?  why do they still put up a tree and decorate the outside of their homes?  maybe im a fool but isnt that what you do on CHRISTMAS?  maybe for their holiday they can hang  a pinata and wear a clown costume while sipping on the blood of the goat they just sacraficed lol.  sorry its got me a little bent these days.

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by kennedydp5, Dec 10, 2008
i feel the same way!!!!!  i LOVE this time of year!  no matter what you believe in, why would you want to be such a scrooge and ruin it for other people!  and i totally agree on the matter of why the heck is it ok for everyone to appease those who don't want to hear "Merry Christmas" and other such things... but its not ok for those of us who do celebrate that to get upset when we can't say it so we don't "offend" anyone...  give me a break!

dude... i would hate to be known as the kid whose mom ruined the school's christmas pageant, lol!!!!!!!!  

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by surprisebaby, Dec 10, 2008
MERRY CHRISTMAS to all...

I find it funny that those who do not celebrate this occassion are first in line to say it is the HOLIDAYS and they don't go to work on those days...and they enjoy the benefit of PAID days off!!!!!  I wonder if paying them for CHRISTMAS when they do not celebrate it;  offends them???

AGAIN I SAY....MERRY CHRISTMAS ... if you do not celebrate this holiday, then LOOK AWAY....

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by ziggysgrl0724, Dec 10, 2008
Surprisebaby- lol.....seriously, I wonder if they do take their "paid day off"...maybe they should give it back......

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by Me2mommy2b, Dec 10, 2008
wow, amazing!  I don't get paid on Christmas and neither does my husband.

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by hope_peace, Dec 10, 2008
AMEN!! lol seriously it bugs me, we can't spread holiday cheer. whats so wrong wishing someone a merry Christmas. Its better then the cold shoulder or not even smiling at someone. I dunno personally I think these people should sit down and really think about why its so wrong to spread chear to people.. because some people really need it, to know that for that moment you thought of them.

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by amberd5191, Dec 11, 2008
  Merry Christmas Everyone and Happy New Year!

Lol.

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by Cheyenne_08, Dec 11, 2008
I too agree that this has gotten WAY out of hand! What is the big deal about saying "christmas" in school? People need to get something more important to b*tch about!!

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