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Nov 08, 2012 - 40 comments

The twins will be 4 months in about 2 weeks.  Their bottles are no longer holding them.  They are eating about 6 1/2 ounces every 4 hrs and eating up to 4 ounces in between....so I would like to start them on rice cereal for morning and evening bottles...but I don't know if I should spoon feed, or put it in their bottles, and how much....advice please:)

Update:  I ended up putting around a teaspoon in 7 1/2 ounces of formula.  I am sure it didn't do much. Lol.  My Doc said we could start rice cereal at 4months, and a few solids.  I won't know what that will be until their appt though.

I don't know about the growth spurt, I think it's because they are sleeping through the night now, and not getting that 7 1/2 ounces.  They have been eating 3-4 extra bottles of 3-4 ounces a day for the past almost 2 wks.   I will play it by ear....maybe try a bite or two on a spoon if they keep wanting those in between bottles.

Thanks ladies!!!!! :-)

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by retta483, Nov 08, 2012
you can do either one . putting it in the bottle will be easier on you but you can also spoon feed them . When they first start learning they are messy !

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by mhv, Nov 08, 2012
Ok but how much??  Ratio formula to cereal....

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by butterflybabies, Nov 08, 2012
The doc told me when I started putting cereal in their formula to put 1 ounce of cereal for every 4 ounces of formula

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by krichar, Nov 08, 2012
It has to be pretty liquidy... A teeny bit thicker then formula. At 4 months their ability to swallow and move solids isn't there yet and you don't want them to choke. Keep in mind though they will gag a lot and its a good thing, that's how they are learning to move the food. And I would suggest the spoon feeding instead of the bottle

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by retta483, Nov 08, 2012
well if your going to put it in the bottle you dont want it too thick . Maybe try just a few spoon fulls in the bottle and see if it helps them stay fuller longer . If you put it in a bowl Id add formula until it looks like cream of wheat consistancy .I hope that helps Im a bit rusty on the baby things my little one is turning 3 this month . Good Luck I hope the cereal helps :)

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by nursegirl6572, Nov 08, 2012
Whew!!!  This showed up in the sidebar...I thought someone was in some kind of big trouble!  Good thing it was only hungry babies!  :0)

I always tried a small amt in the bottle first, to get their little tummies used to it, before going to a thicker (spoon fed) consistency.  There's no right or wrong way!!  Hope the babies like it!!

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by adgal, Nov 08, 2012
Do talk to your Dr. before doing either.  My Pediatrician told me never ever to put cereal in a babies bottle, except in extreme cases of reflux.  And starting solids too early can be really tough on their digestive systems.  I know, I tend to be a worrier, so perhaps I am not the best person to even be commenting, but still, I would really recommend having this conversation with your Dr. first.  

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by usuk, Nov 08, 2012
my chloe is 4 months 2 weeks and the doc said we would talk about solids at 5 months. so i am obeying him at the moment. but all my mom friends have said that i should start with rice cereal in the bottle first to get her belly used to it a bit at a time.

also another friend said there is a problem with arsenic in rice from certain manufactures (like we need that).

link from ABC news below...from sept 12 2012

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/arsenic-rice-report-finds-worrisome-levels/story?id=17267872#.UJxo77R5nzI


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by witheredrose, Nov 08, 2012
My sister fed hers rice in a bottle. Ther me are bottles specifically for that, actually! :)

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by witheredrose, Nov 08, 2012
Sorry i mean *there are*

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by krichar, Nov 08, 2012
Oh and my dr said never before 6 months with normal healthy babies. Their digestive systems aren't mature enough to handle it but i tried because I too thought he was starving and it didn't help, still nursed just as often so I quit till he was 6 months. Maybe they are going through another growth spurt? It'll mellow out again

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by JennaRie, Nov 08, 2012
Have you tried larger amounts of formula and feeding every 3 hrs instead of every 4? Honestly cereal is pretty much empty calories, not much nutritional value at all, so if they're hungry, more formula is a better option, especially before 6 months. It may be a temporary growth spurt. They will have those periodically, then go back to eating a little less.

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by mhv, Nov 08, 2012
Well, what I decided to do was to put a teaspoonful in 6 1/2 ounces of formula.  Just to see how they reacted.  Also, my doc said I could start cereal at 4 months....but, now I am wondering??????

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by usuk, Nov 08, 2012
did a little research and my doc and krichar and JennaRie and agdal are all on the same page. so just like everything else, there are two schools of thought. that rice is pretty much empty calories and that formula until 6 montsh is fine if they are thriving and with the arsenic info, they might change the first solid to oatmeal or barley.

chloe is having 5-6 ounces every 3-4 hours or so, except from 10/11p to 5/6a when she sleeps. i have to get up once or twice to find her paci and soothe her a bit but i do not feed her if i can help it from 11-5.

she is getting fussy now and i think its teething. she is doing more gnawing on the bottle nipple than drinking. she was a little grumpy when i was giving her 4 ounces at 3 months. she would whimper when i went to burp her. finally figured out she wanted more. duh!

xoxoxo

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by PetiteWonder, Nov 08, 2012
I would try increasing the ounces or frequently of feed first. Most ff babies I know we're on 8 at this point, I would do. Half ounce at a time to avoid vomiting. If they take the extra give it 5 minstrel offer more, if they are not interested then leave it there.

I'm not criticizing anyone but want you to be able to make informed choices. Putting cereal in the bottle is an outdated practice and a choking hazard. Starting solids in general is also outdated and can be very hard on their digestive system if they are not ready. Signs that your babies are ready, can they situp in a chair, do they show interest in your food.do they open there mouth for a spoon.  If you do start them early, spoon feed them please. If they gag or turn their heads, give it time. They do learn by being offered but don't push it ever...

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by globetrot, Nov 08, 2012
just be careful- their little intestines need to be developed before introducing foods. My dt. said if they are not ready to take it off a spoon- they arent ready to digest it.  I am probably paranoind though!

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by Helen72, Nov 08, 2012
Anna did not like to eat sereal from  a spoon so I used to add just a little to her bottles.  I did start giving her some apple at 4 month and she really liked that.

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by Evelyna79, Nov 08, 2012
The two pediatricians that have seen Christian said no solids until
he is 6 months so I'm holding on to it. He will be 3 months next week and is drink 6-8 oz of formula every 3 hours except at night when he sleeps. At bedtime I give him the ready to drink firmula thickened with 2 extra scoops of the powder formula, it holds him up for at least 4 hours. I tried to add oatmeal cereal to his bottle before but he could not take it, it was too tick and I'm afraid that he will gain too much weight. He is already 12 lbs 14 oz.

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by mhv, Nov 08, 2012
Yeah, it's just with drake, it isn't holding him.  He drank 6 1/2 ounces at 5:15, 4 ounces at 8:00 and 7 1/2 ounces at 9:15....that's 18 ounces in 4 hours!!!!  

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by mhv, Nov 08, 2012
And Cami drank 12 ounces in the same time span.....

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by krichar, Nov 08, 2012
Probably a growth spurt

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by stacey10, Nov 08, 2012
I agree with the ladies regarding no soilds until around 6 mths and def not in a bottle, just increase the amount and frequeny your feeding them, growth purts do tend to throw us off abit until we realise that thats what it is :)

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by stacey10, Nov 08, 2012
argh, frequency and spurts, sorry

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by mhv, Nov 08, 2012
Yeah, probably :). Well, like I said, I ended up putting about a teaspoon in 7 1/2 ounces.... So it probably didn't do much.... I am anxious to see what the doc says at their 4 month app t.  She did say at their 3 month, that they could start cereal at 4 months and mentioned they would be starting a couple solid foods too.... They can both set up on the couch and chair very well.  I haven't tried the spoon....I will get one out tomorrow...

Thanks ladies!! I appreciate your opinions and thoughts!!! Your the bestest ever!!!!!

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by optimus22mac, Nov 08, 2012
With my older boys, it was normal to start at 4 months.  Then almost 10 yrs later, it was 6 months. And now almost 6 yrs after that, some recommendations say to introduce proteins first, not cereals.  Below is an article I read a while back about Health Canada's new guidelines for infants...

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/1261710--hold-the-pablum-give-that-baby-some-meat-new-canadian-guidelines-advise

My point is, that it changes so much, and as the article says, starting before 6 months should be based on a drs advice, and it's OK to do it on an individual basis, they just don't want to recommend it across the board.  My boys are very healthy, so is my daughter, and I am too, and who knows what they were recommending all those years ago:)

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by cindylouwho514, Nov 09, 2012
I've had 3 babies and never put cereal in the bottle. I always made it real thin to start out with and fed them from a spoon. I've heard nothing but bad things about putting it in their bottle. My husband believes in the "cereal in the bottle" idea so I said ok try it. Our baby would not drink it.

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by hopeitworks, Nov 09, 2012
I am on the same page as Adgal- My Dr didnt recommend any solids/fodo til 6 months, she said if I was eager we could start early. I wasnt eager but Quinlan was gonna eat someones arm off, so I went off her signs. We started at 5 months with spoon fed. I was also advised never to put the cereal in the bottle. Again its a 50/50 split. So you just follow what you feel is right and your Dr. Good luck :)

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by logigirl, Nov 09, 2012
my dr said no solids until 6mo as well. he could be going through a growth spurt and that's why he's drinking more.

also, when you do make the addition of cereal, never stick it in a bottle. idk y but that's what the dr told me. he said to mix it with milk and spoon feed it when she's ready

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by sisi2399, Nov 09, 2012
I put the cereal in the bottle.  Mason takes 5 onces of formula and 2 and half scoops of rice cereal.  The same scoop from the formula.  Make sure you cut a bigger hole in the bottle nipple.  They will love it

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by mhv, Nov 09, 2012
I gave Drake 1 bite today :). He actually swallowed it!!!!  I am just going to play it by ear.  I won't give it to them unless I get really desperate.  I can wait that 2 weeks!! :).

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by nichumangel, Nov 09, 2012
Cass did the same thing...back then there was a cereal called malupa SHE loved it..a little pricy but worth it!! I put 2 tbsp in her bottle and SHE was fine...and slept great..then in the day I gave her a small bowl full mixed with formula warmed...it can't hurt them trial and error!! Hugs

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by Heather3418, Nov 09, 2012
WOW, times have really changed, along with the thoughts and recommendations of doctor's.  When my son was born, he was considered a big baby in those days.  He was only on 4 ozs. of milk at each feeding in the first two weeks.  It just didn't seem to satisfy him.  He quickly went to 6 ozs, then 8 ozs. by 6 weeks old.  I actually started him on one tablespoon of cereal at 8 weeks old.  He ate it like he was starving to death.  I tried the cereal in a bottle, but he didn't like having to suck harder to get his meal, even after expanding the hole in his bottle.

My son's Ped said that what I was doing was alright, even though they didn't recommend cereal so early.  I noticed when he went on cereal that his stools became much more solid, too.  But he seemed more satisfied between feedings when I started giving him cereal.  After giving him his 8 oz. bottle and his couple of tablespoons of cereal, he started sleeping through the night.  He seemed like a much happier and satisfied baby.

I guess the only advice I can give, is to follow your pediatrician's advice and also follow what your motherly instincts tell you.  If your baby(ies) aren't being satisfied by their formula feelings, I believe that cereal won't hurt. You'll always get alot of advice, but I think that it depends on your individual baby and how they seem to handle the addition of solids...



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by butterflybabies, Nov 09, 2012
Everyone's doc will give different advice. I say do what you think is best for your babies. My boys as you know get oatmeal cereal in their bottles and have been since they were 7wks old. Due to reflux and there is nothing wrong with them. I think if you shouldn't put it in a bottle then no doctor would recommend it.

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by mhv, Nov 09, 2012
Well, after Cameron drank 10 1/2 ounces with her 5:30 feeding, at around 8:00 she was getting hungry again, so I gave her 4 bites of cereal...she leaned towards the spoon, and actually kinda chewed.  I was spacing her bies out, and she started to scream because I wasn't feeding her fast enough....and on another note, she still drank 6 1/2 ounces at 9:00.  I dunno ladies, I had to make a judgement call.  I tried Drake again with the spoon, and he didn't seem interested, so I will drop that for now...but I will probably start giving Cameron a little at least n the morning and evening.  


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by globetrot, Nov 16, 2012
your instinct is best!

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by mhv, Nov 16, 2012
Thanks :). I give Cameron 4 bites 2x's a day and Drake 1-2 bies 2x's a day.  Cameron loves it.  I don't think drake likes the taste, but is getting bettter every day :)

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by tiadreams, Nov 16, 2012
OMG who would have ever thought this could get so complicated! Obviously I have no clue, but it sounds like you're mastering it!

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by AnnieBrooke, Nov 16, 2012
Cereal has the advantage that it makes moms feel better, like they are "doing something."  But it's carbs, which burn faster than protein, which of course is what milk (and formula) is.  This ends up taking up some of the limited space in their stomach with something that will be gone sooner (producing a hungry baby sooner).  

If your baby's problem is that he or she initially seems desperate, give a spoonful of baby oatmeal (rice has that arsenic problem, and besides, have you tasted that stuff?), and do it by spoon not by bottle unless you want to risk particulate pneumonia from it being inhaled down the wrong pipe.  But then after the initial spoonful of cereal, go with breast milk or formula for the rest of the meal, so most of what baby has in tummy is protein.  It works a bit more slowly to make them feel they are not hungry, but it does last longer.  

You could google the American Academy of Pediatrics website for advice that is research-based and current, rather than "my doctor said this," versus "my doctor said that."  (My doctor said to pull my infant son's foreskin back, and boy is that wrong in every way, and she was the head of her department.)  Good luck, you're going to do what you are going to do, but be alert if you are feeding such young babies cereal; not that it will happen but familiarize yourself with the symptoms of particulate pneumonia just so you know what they are.

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by tiadreams, Nov 17, 2012
If it were me I would rate this the best answer! That's true about arsenic and rice, and it makes sense about the carbs. Anytime I eat a rice product I end up ravenous a short while later with the jitters. Good luck Mel.

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by tes645, Nov 17, 2012
I put my twins on to hungry baby formula for another month, this was fine,,, but also gave them few spoons on baby rice in morn, on babyspoon mixed up with a small amount milk from their morning bottle, good luck x

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