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Mar 24, 2009 - 51 comments

http: //news.yahoo. com/s/ ap/20090323/ap_on_bi_ge/ morning_after_pill  (NO SPACES)

Any1 else see this article? It's insane!! They are actually gonna consider giving Plan B to minors!! What is this telling teenagers?  The teenage pregnancy rate is already out of control and this is NOT the answer!! I'm probably gonna pi$$ some people off but i think that if a teenager gets PG they need to make it just like in China you get PG out of wedlock and you have to pay a fine!! I guess they would try to get married then in this case and then we would need it like me and my DH have to do with the INS (immigration peeps) they would need proof of a relationship!! So i guess that wouldn't work but I think they need to do something!! Telling minors its ok to have sex cus there's a thing called plan B if NOT ok!! They have no idea how dangerous sex is and what all can happen!! Has any1 watched that movie called Children Of Men? It's how in the future no1 has been able to have kids for 18 yrs!! Every1 is infertile EVERY1!!  And i hate to say it but my DH could be right all the chemicals they are putting in B/C is really bad and something like this could just possibly happen one day!! Ok thats my input and gripe!! Feel free to read the article and post comments!! But PLEASE let's be MedHelp friendly no being rude or yelling or insulting!! We are just opinionating here!!

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by Mumita, Mar 24, 2009
Well in my opinion not giving teenagers options or allowing them to use any type of birth control is the same as giving them permission to have a baby.  If they are going to have sex anyways, they should be able to KNOW and be able to USE contraception.
  Our government enables people and teenagers to keep having many many children.  Teenagers are the first to qualify for free healthcare when they get pregnant and they can qualify for many subsidies and government help just because they are minors.  Well I think that someone has to be held responsible for their actions and government and tax payers shouldn't be paying for it.

But Gokuangel- in China women are forced by law to have an abortion, even if its at 8 months, if they already have one child then they are FORCED to undergo an abortion, that is INHUMANE, CRUEL, VIOLENT, CRIMINAL, TORTURE, I don't have any other stronger words to describe it. If you are pregnant with your second child and you weren't allowed to have any more children if you go and get any prenatal care, you will be strapped down to a table, sedated and they WILL perform an abortion...

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by gokuangel, Mar 24, 2009
right i see your opinion too like i said i think they just need to be more careful with decisions on it! Like i took depo shot and it stops your AF and your O and if you read up it its not a good thing they put really harsh chemicals in there!! B/C's like these i dont think are good!! Again not trying to stomp but i have been off Depo for 5 yrs and i still havent got a BFP!! I did see that episode about that stuff in China I do NOT agree with the abortion part or the selling off babies illegally part!! What i saw was the baby has to be a boy they go for their chkup and get a sono. and if its a girl they abort it!! It was nuts!!

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by have 2 kids, Mar 24, 2009
I think if teenagers are having sex all options should be available to them for birth control.    Getting pregnant and raising a child is a lifelong commitment.   I don't see it as giving them permission to go out and have sex.    Why is this different than
offering condoms in schools?    

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by AndiJ78, Mar 24, 2009
Not at all, the reason the teen pregnancy rates are soaring again was the removal of good, thorough sex education. The previous administration prohibited the teaching of contraception in favor of preaching abstinence and look what happened!

I say I am all for it. People make mistakes, birth control fails all the time. Flooding the US with teenage moms will do nothing but jack up our taxes and send the wrong message.

Have some compassion for goodness sakes. It isn't an abortion pill, it gives the girl the chance to stop anything before it happens.

Studies have shown giving teenagers access to birth control DOES NOT increase the rates of sexual intercourse, but it does LOWER the rates of pregnancy and often sexuallly transmitted disease. The wrong agenda has been pushed in this country for too long and teenagers and innocent babies have suffered as a result.



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by Mumita, Mar 24, 2009
AndiJ78-exactly, not allowing teenagers to use contraception is the same as allowing them to have a baby. They will have sex regardless, but if they do its better that they are informed and prepared.

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by gokuangel, Mar 24, 2009
Did they take sex ed out of the schools? i dont know if they did im just asking i havent been in school in a long time!! I know its not an abortion pill i didnt say that (if you meant me) i know its not i saw it on TV it just stops the chance of your O happening! I think information and more of it would be good in the schools everywhere for that matter! When i was in HS and took the depo shot no1 told me side effects or what it did or what would happen if i went off it or what would happen when i did try to have a baby!! No1 ever told me any of that stuff!! More education and info on ALL the B/C's would be good!

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by alaysha, Mar 24, 2009
I'm a little weirded out that Plan B can be sold over the counter for anyone. However, I'm not really understanding why it is a big deal for people under 18 to get it? At Planned Parenthood you can get it for free if you're under 18 and have been able to for years now.

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by alaysha, Mar 24, 2009
Yeah they took sex ed out of schools. Dumbest decision.

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by gokuangel, Mar 24, 2009
Thanks for the info Alaysha!!  Good point i totally forget about things like planned parenthood you are right though same thing!! The school-OMG that is just nuts! I cant believe they would do such a thing! No wonder things are out of control nowdays!

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by peekawho, Mar 24, 2009
I think its a rational decision, and hopefully will result in fewer unwanted late teen pregnancies.  

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by adgal, Mar 24, 2009
I see where you are coming from, but I do think it's a good decision as well.  I agree with you that the teenage pregnancy rate is out of control.  Some teens absolutely do ok, but unfortunately the majority wind up with a lack of education and on social services. I don't feel with holding birth control is the answer, and I see plan B the same way I do condoms and other forms of birth control. Your absolutely right though that the pro's and con's of different forms of B/C should be explained.  Depo did a number on my body as well, and I was in my late 20's & 30's when I was on it.  I actually feel birth control should be much easier for teens to get.  I agree with the majority of the others...increased levels of sex education, both in school and at home.  More open talk about pregnancy, std's and the like.  

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by GRose, Mar 24, 2009
I was just thinking about this the other day and I think it should be allowed as well. Teens are allowed to take birth control and use condoms, this is no different. As an above poster stated, teens are going to have sex whether or not bc is available, why not let them be safe about it.
I had no idea that sex-ed was taken out of schools, I graduated only 5 years ago and I had it. That explains all the ridiculous questions about how a girl can get pregnant I guess. When did that happen?

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by gokuangel, Mar 24, 2009
Well said Adgal!! I have to agree!!
Yes the depo is ugly! My dr did actually tell me last time they are no longer recommending it for young women who have not kids yet and/or plan to have more children!! They are suggesting it for older women are not planning on having more kids!! It's like thnx wished i had known that 10 yrs ago!!

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by tatorbug40, Mar 24, 2009
DH use to teach sex Ed, but he hasn't for a couple of years- he was trained in "worth the wait" which taught abstaining...  don't think it really worked...

This sounds terrible,  but my neighbors are looking into adoption, and I wish they could find a "juno"...  I wish just one pregnant teen would pass their path!  :)  adoption is so expensive in this country!


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by peekawho, Mar 24, 2009
goku,

I think there is a time and a place for Depo.  Unfortunately, not all teens will take a pill every day, and not all will be responsible with using condoms and foam.  

Depo is obviously not a first choice for young women who may be on it for a long time.  But if there is no better option that will work in reality...its better than risking an unplanned pregnancy.  

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by alikat1205, Mar 24, 2009
peek

depo is one thing i have considered for my teen.  yes, i am not generally in favor of birth control for teens.  but i think with it shouldnt' be withheld.  i don't want my teen having sex, but i am covering all possibilities.  i have considered depo b/c it is not every day and i can be sure it is done.  but, thinking about long term consequences, well, i don't want that for her either.  

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by JoyRenee, Mar 24, 2009
Just as most of you believe teenagers should be educated about birth control and "options" EVERY woman needs to be educated on exactly how their birth control works and whether or not is an abortifacient (some BC are abortifacients) and how it will affect their future fertility.

I think this is a bad idea. It's just giving teenagers an excuse and basically telling them we don't care if they have sex. "Hey, if we get pregnant after having all this unprotected sex we can just take these little pills and voila! We're safe to continue..." And then these kids will start spreading STDs even further, etc., etc.

Yup, I don't think this is a good idea at all. When the government tries to take over a parent's job then little red flags should go up. It's just VALIDATES what teenagers are already doing when we need to find ways to EDUCATE them and teach them to respect their bodies.

No *child* should be having sex and then given a magic pill to make their mistakes go away. We're just giving them a scapegoat and brushing it all off instead of finding ways to keep kids out of trouble in the first place. We need to treat the ROOT of the problem.

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by adgal, Mar 24, 2009
We are also pursuing adoption, and even domestically it is so expensive...we looked into overseas and it was going to be around $40,000.  Insane.  I will admit I sometimes wish we would encounter a "juno" as well. The reality is most teenagers keep their babies now, and wind up on a long difficult path for them and the baby.  

I think just about all forms of birth control have a place.  I do feel choices should be presented and the pro's and con's of each explained.  But, Peek is right, the individual has to be responsible enough to use it properly and many teens just don't think it through.  It's part of being young.

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by adgal, Mar 24, 2009
I fully agree with treating the root of the problem.  However, the reality is not every parent takes the time to have the necessary frank discussions with their children.  With so many schools no longer teaching sex ed, many teens are not getting accurate information.  Also, most teens by their very nature are rebelious and think they know it all anyway.  My parents were very open with me, and quite strict.  I was brought up with strong morals and values, but by the time I was 14 or 15 I was far more influenced by my peers than my parents.  So even excellent parents wind up with pregnant teens. They are going to make their own decisions, and some of them will be bad decisions.  Teen pregnancy has always existed, it was just quietly hidden away and the baby placed for adoption. Even young women that respect themselves wind up pregnant...they believe they are in love...babies are something they think of as little dolls.  So I do firmly believe that long term the answer lies in education and self respect, however I do think it needs to be combined with proper information and accessability to safe forms of birth control.  

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by gokuangel, Mar 24, 2009
TY Joy! That's the point i was trying to make!
Alikat-Please do me a favor and google depo-provera and infertility b4 getting it for your teenager, Once you see all the bad stuff they stick in it and the fact they give the main ingredient in it to pedofiles im sure you will change your mind!!

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by peekawho, Mar 24, 2009
Joy,

Of course parents should parent and educate their children.  In the meantime, the massive numbers of unplanned pregnancies continue.  Hundreds of thousands of teens are not prepared and are not ready when they first discover their sexuality.  

The studies out on Plan B do NOT show that users repeatedly rely on it.  In the vast majority of cases, its used appropriately and as intended.

Unfortunately I live right here in the real world.  I deliver babies of teenagers day after day after day after day after day after day...its non stop.  In a perfect, pink and shiny world, there would be no need for BC for teens or any unmarried woman.  Until that day arrives, we are left with the stark reality of fact.  Many, many teens have sex.  Many of those do not use birth control, either out of ignorance or fear, or lack of access either perceived or real.



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by Darkestlight, Mar 24, 2009
I have on DD and another on the way. I want them completely educated on sex, and birth control. I was on B/C at the young age of 14. My mother knew that teens will have sex and she told me to come to her when i was ready. I did. And thankfully I didn't get pregnant till I was ready at the age of 20. Still young but much better than 14.


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by AndiJ78, Mar 24, 2009
It is hormone-based, they give it to pedophiles to stunt their testosterone as a chemical castration...which BTW is not terribly effective as sexual predators are not usually acting out of sexual gratification but rather control over their victims. They will just violate the person with other means.

Joy-It is unbelievable to read what you have said. I am simply dumbfounded at this assumption that these girls are just stupid and lack self-esteem as the reason they have sex. I have sex because it feels good. A majority of people feel the same. They tried your way for nearly 8 years and it failed miserably. Time for reality to reclaim its place in our society.

Don't be punitive to people who do not want a child, accept that our laws allow for people to take responsibility for their actions the way they choose to. That does not always mean guilting them into having a child they are ill-prepared for or forcing them to carry a pregnancy to have it stripped away from them after delivery. That, to me, is just as harsh.

The reality is our laws allow for people to change their mind or fix their mistakes.

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by chantal21, Mar 24, 2009
Well said, Joy. I completely agree.

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by AndiJ78, Mar 24, 2009
And again, education is key. You are speaking of Plan B as though it were an abortive device. It is not. Please take the time to educate yourself before you attempt to "educate" others.

Knowledge is power.

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by JoyRenee, Mar 24, 2009
I live in the inner-city and I see pregnant teens almost daily. I hear what these kids talk about and they think they're invincible so giving them yet another option to let them continue what they're already doing is insane. What I'm saying is that we need to treat the root of the issue (which is having sex in the first place). Having sex because it feels good is not an excuse for 12, 13, 15 year olds to have sex. Sex is more than just a "feel good" selfish act but they're too young to understand that. I know this because I had sex when I was 15 but I had the sense to stop.

Don't assume I don't understand or don't live in the real world just because my opinion differs from yours- it shows lack of maturity. I'm entitled to believe exactly everything that I've written and what a few people have agreed with.

If teens feel they're responsible enough to have sex then they need to be responsible enough to take care of whatever comes their way- whether it is an unplanned pregnancy or an STD. I feel that way for any person who has sex to be honest.

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by JoyRenee, Mar 24, 2009
I worked at a pregnancy center and read many articles written by abortionists and doctors about abortifacients. My problem with PLAN B is a personal one and I won't divulge that here. I just find it laughable you tell me to educate myself when that is ALL that I have done. More than education, you need morals in this life.

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by adgal, Mar 24, 2009
I think part of the problem is we are assuming teenagers are capable of making the same rational decisions adults make (or are at least supposed to make..lol).  That is not intended to be insulting towards teenagers, it is a scientific fact...they are not capable of making adult decisions.  They don't necessarily think things through and tend to be extremely influenced by their peers.  Sex is everywhere now...tv, movies, books, magazines.  Our whole society takes a very cavalier attitude towards it.  Perhaps it's not right, but it's reality.  It's very difficult to prevent teens from seeing it.  Yes, I agree, educate...that is extremely important.  But no matter how educated our young people are, we are still going to have teens that get pregnant....and sadly most times it proves to be a very difficult life for them and their babies.These young women aren't sleeping around or even disrespecting themselves...they believe they are in love!!    I think any teen mom will tell you it was difficult, even those that have done well and are taking great care of their children. And I bet a high percentage only ever had one sexual partner. If we take away their ability to get birth control, the rate of teen pregnancy will only be higher then it is today.  So yes, absolutely, parents (and schools) should increase their childrens level of sex education...but we also need to be somewhat realistic and make sure that they understand that IF they do choose to have sex, they must protect themselves.  Only teaching abstinance is clearly not working. I really wish it did, but statistics prove that's just not the case.

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by boogieman, Mar 24, 2009
ok i'm putting down the 10' pole for 2 minutes. at risk of inciting a riot, i do not see where joy asserted that sexually active teenage girls are stupid and lack self-esteem. what i do see is she is stating the obvious about the disintegration of the values this country was founded upon. it has nothing to do with the last eight years or the next four. i feel sorry for anyone who still thinks that our reality is dependent on the political hero or villain of the day. this society's problems are far greater than any solution that the government or corporate America is able to or willing to implement. many of the meds in use today have not been adequately researched to determine long term side effects, but are a convenient and easy way out of responsibility for one's own actions or those of their children. but the root can be summed up in what seems to be important these days, the almighty dollar.

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by JoyRenee, Mar 24, 2009
adgal- all of what you said is true. Scientifically and biologically speaking teenagers are lacking in the "reasoning" portion of their brain until they hit their 20's. We can't stop teen sex/pregnancy but we need to make steps toward reducing it. I can just see STD cases rising because kids will think that Plan B means they don't need condoms or other forms of birth control.

boogieman- thank you, I definitely was not insinuating that teenagers lack intelligence or self-esteem.

Unfortunately I don't see this ever being resolved. Teens will continue to have sex, babies will continue to die/be born because of choices we make, etc. But until I die, I'm not going to keep my mouth shut to the young girls in my life or even to the women on this forum. Almost every single teen boy or girl in my life doesn't have a father figure, some don't even have a mother figure, and a lot don't have either. So I hope that my husband and I are able to show them love and show them how to love themselves without sexual promiscuity.

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by adgal, Mar 24, 2009
Well Boogieman I certainly agree with you that it has very little to do with the government...I am a Canadian and we have the same problem with teen pregnancy here.  So I don't think my reality has anything to do with who the US president is...or the Canadian Prime Minister for that matter.  This problem has always existed...maybe not in as high a number, but it was always there.  It's just that in history, either the young couple married right away, or the mother was sent away to quietly have her baby and the whole thing was covered up.  So yes, values have changed and that has most definately exasperated the problem, but it's not really anything new.

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by AndiJ78, Mar 24, 2009
Yet by continuing to sway these young women from preventing these pregnancies, either with reliable birth control or Plan B, or LEGAL abortion, will only continue the problem. Are you so blinded by your "morals" that you cannot see that?

You are hiding behind them as a way to ignore the bigger problem and obvious solution that was working until the Bush administration stepped in and put an end to teaching sexual education that included more than abstinence only methods . Teach them to be responsible. Being responsible does not just mean keeping a baby, it can also mean not keeping a baby or using reliable birth control in the first place.

If a person gets ill, we encourage them to take an antibiotic to get well again. We offer preventative measures to prevent disease transmission like antibacterial soaps and hand sanitizers. If you were to get pneumonia, should we damn you to suffering and possible death because you chose to journey outside of your home or shall we give you the means to treat your illness? We do not force treatment, but rather inform you OBJECTIVELY of the risks and benefits of treatments available and the potential consequences of not treating it. Should we deny a young woman treatment for PID because she had sex? Of course not. We cannot deny the prevalence of sexual activity, nor should we force these young people to have children they are not psychologically ready for.

My morals tell me it is not my body who will carry the pregnancy. It is not me will be up all night with a colicky infant. It is not I who will be raising a baby without support. It is not me who will be living off of the government because I cannot afford to pay my bills because the economy stinks and I have no education. Nor is it you in this position.

You offer a very skewed view of the "facts" under the guise of it being "personal reasons" I have been in one of those so-called "Crisis Pregnancy Centers" myself when I was 14 and pregnant. They only served to try to scare me into keeping the baby with false "facts" and horror stories. Unrealistic promises about the fairy tale ending that would never have come for me. Promises of money for giving my baby up for adoption. It was heinous.

I am just thankful that there are plenty of caring and compassionate people in the world who will offer the alternative side of things in a more objective manner.




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by hkenny, Mar 24, 2009
perhaps if teenage girls were educated and informed they wouldnt have the need to use plan b. I think we all know what can happen if we have un-protected sex. I never understood why plan b was an option for ANYONE> if you are going to have sex be responsible isnt that what we were always taught? The schools need to have a better sex education class if allowing 17 year old girls to use the morning after pill is necassary. Parents need to stop turning a blind eye and be a little more active in teaching their children about sex. My opinion is that its appalling, isnt plan b kinda like abortion? As a christian I dont believe in that either.......If a teen gets pregnant they should face responsibilty and carry to term and adopt. Plan B is a scape goat and allowing them access to it is telling them its ok. Is that what we want the youth of today to learn??? Dont worry you dont have to be repsonsible for your actions just use plan b.

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by natalie910, Mar 24, 2009
Well put hkenny...I haven't read the full article yet but I plan to...It is absolutely insane to offer plan b to minors...do these teens need their parents' consent? With the way things are going these days...my guess is parents won't be informed..so sad!

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by adgal, Mar 24, 2009
I fully agree with you that it shouldn't be necessary.  But it is not actually a form of abortion.  It prevents your body from ovulating, so in that way it is similar to the pill or depo shot.  It will not end a pregnancy if one has taken place.  So not allowing plan B is the same really as not allowing teenagers to use condoms or be on the pill.  As for being forced to carry to full term, I have to respectfully disagree with you there.  To me there are no absolutes, and while I am not pro abortion, I am strongly pro choice.  

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by 2ndBaby, Mar 24, 2009
OMG!  Another opportunity to Bush-bash and scoffing at people for having morals!  Hallelujah!  No wonder I laughed at loud at the journal's poster who asked this to be "medhelp friendly."  There's no such thing here!  Whatever it takes to prove one is more correct than the others.

I actually support Plan B...I find it preferable to abortion later when the teen figures out a couple months into fetal development that she is pregnant.

Gotta run...Obama's on and I've got to hear how he is going to clean up the mess Bush left us!  *wink*

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by ziggysgrl0724, Mar 24, 2009
Hmmm....well, I wasn't going to step into this because most know where I stand.  However,  How can you say that plan B shouldn't be an option?  Do we live in a perfect society where mistakes and accidents never happen?  I will never understand pro-life people that say if a person has sex they should be ready to have a baby.  Do none of you people have sex for pleasure?  Seriously?  Every time you lay down with your husband do you think "wow, I hope I get a baby out of this"...or perhaps maybe you just love your husband and WANT to have sex because it feels good? USING PLAN B IS BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR ACTIONS.  I don't see why that is so hard to understand.  You are taking measure to PREVENT(not abort) a pregnancy because of a mishap or mistake or an oversight.  Why don't people even have the right to do that?!?!  I really hope that all you people who say that this is irresponsible is digging deep in your pockets, because perhaps you should be footing the bill for all the unwanted pregnancy medical bills and babies.

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by hkenny, Mar 24, 2009
andi- I am no way trying to put words in your mouth but your statement here really bothers me

"If a person gets ill, we encourage them to take an antibiotic to get well again. We offer preventative measures to prevent disease transmission like antibacterial soaps and hand sanitizers......"

are you comparing teen pregnacny with an illness????????

"We cannot deny the prevalence of sexual activity, nor should we force these young people to have children they are not psychologically ready for"

shouldnt we teach the young people of today if they are not psychologically ready to have babies then maybe they are not physchologically ready to have sex?  

I had sex as a teen and to be honest I dont regret it, it was a choice I made after being well informed by my mother about the consequences. I used birth Control......that my mother did not know about. I went and got it for myself b/c I was taught about sex!! why are the teens of today not being told and spoken too?
Teens will have sex that is never going to change. Get them educated so they can make responsible decisons. Why is this so hard???


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by LeftCoastChick, Mar 24, 2009
Kids, regardless of reasons, are going to have sex. It doesn't matter how much sex ed they get. Most kids are fully aware of methods of contraception, at least they know about condoms.  There are posters on buses, pamplets and websites are readily available.  Do I agree with teens having sex? No. I got pregnant at 15 even with a condom.  If there had been Plan B in Canada at that time, I would have used it.  I was so naive, that there was no way you could get pregnant but if I knew there was that option I would have used it . I didn't know I was until I had a miscarriage.

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by Crysi, Mar 24, 2009
I will not be a teenage mother (hopefully) but I am a pregnant teenager. I started having sex at 15 after I dated David for 9 months, we continued to date for another 4 years (untill I miscarried which tore us apart) and now I am back with him. So to say that it is wrong for a 15 year old to have sex isn't always true. Who is to say that at 15 I didn't love him as much as I do now... and why is it that magically when you become 20 or get married at 18 that it's okay to have sex. Why does a piece of paper change how emotionally and mentally you are to have a child?!?

I believe that being responsible means being informed on all your options. If that is b/c or plan B you can't make an informed decision about sex if you aren't given all the information surrounding it.

In Ontario we are still taught sex ed and grade 8 is dedicated soley to different contraceptives (sponges, condoms, b/c pills) things that I would not know where available had we not been taught when I was 13 years old. Grade 9 was all the STD's. Abstinance is always taught as the "only way to be sure" but thankfully the teachers and nurses that came into teach us live in the real world and added all other options.

I got pregnant at 18 and again at 19 because of failures with the pill. At 18 I got pregnant because I had gastrointestinal issues and was not absorbing the pill and at 19 I missed ONE pill. Am I irresponsible, I don't think so. I did not know untill I spoke to my doctor that my gastro issues would have had an affect on the pill, and as well I have missed one pills on many occasions over the last 5/6 years and never had anything happen.

Plan B needs to be available to teenagers of all ages, and it needs to be known that teenagers will have sex regardless. My mother always taught me that you only have sex when you truly love someone and have a strong emotional connection and I did... that just happened to be earlier in life then most people. As I said we are still together *we have broken up on a couple of occasions* and I loved him at 15 as much as I do now.

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by gokuangel, Mar 24, 2009
2nd baby-i just meant for no1 to insult any1 else! This is not about being right or wrong i just wanted to see what every1's opinion was! I was not trying to start a riot!!

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by GRose, Mar 24, 2009
I wanted to add that some schools do still offer sex-ed, I think it depends on where you live. My brother in law is a sex-ed teacher at a local high school and it is mandatory so I know that it is still in some school curriculums.

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by TheSicklyOne, Mar 24, 2009
What I think is that if teen couples do have sex, they should have a plan for what would happen if they really did get pregnant. Or at least talk about the options, rule out the ones that neither could handle, or be fully informed. I myself am a teen and yes, I do have a sexual relationship. I'm feel I'm responsible in taking my pill at the right time everyday, but if something where to happen, like say I lost my pack and had sex prior to losing it, I'd use Plan B. This, is it not, what it was intended for? I'm pro-Choice, but wouldn't be able to psychologically handle going through with an abortion, but Plan B isn't ending a life that's already started.

I agree with most of you when you say that some teens are under educated about sexual health and well being, but I don't think that having Plan B available is at all giving teens permission to have unprotected sex. It was developed for honest mistakes or accidents.

I also agree that some teens are irresponsible about it, and I can literally name 10 girls who are pregnant, or have already had their babies, under the age of 19. The fathers have never stuck around. I'm not saying all of them are, but I know for a fact that some where, even with having the same level of sexual education I have. So maybe the whole problem isn't just poor education, it's a poor attitude towards the actual consequences. Some could not really realize that "Hey, I could actually end up with a kid out of this." and others could just simply think "That's never going to happen to me." Sadly, there is no way to 'fix' this type of problem.

I was just scanning over the comments and didn't see one that came close to my point of view on things so I thought I'd add it.

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by LiLRedCV, Mar 24, 2009
Haven't read all of this, so forgive me if I'm repeating someone else's comment....

There are also cases of date rape amongst teenagers.  Probably much higher than factually known....  It's difficult for an ADULT woman to come forward about something like that, let alone a teenager.  What if a pregnancy results?  What is the girl supposed to do then?  Have an abortion?  Give up the baby for adoption?  Keep it?  All are reminders of that night that will haunt her forever.  

However, IMHO, if the teenage girl is able to take Plan B and potentially prevent a viable pregnancy, then she won't have to deal with that on top of all of the other emotional issues involved.  After all, there's no actual confirmation of a pregnancy, right?  

It is also very important for parents to sit their kids down and talk about sex, forms of BC (doesn't mean you condone it!), options available if there is a pregnancy (Plan B, adoption, keeping it) and what each entails, and what to do in potential situations such as date rape....  A parent should not live with their heads in the sand and pretend it doesn't happen.  Better informed = potential better decisions in that department.  

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by tennille12209, Mar 25, 2009
When it wasn't acceptable we diddn't have half as much teen pregnancies,std's and so forth going around. Let's go back to the old ways of doing things!!!

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by boogieman, Mar 25, 2009
i'm building a time machine as fast as i can......................

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by Kele2432, Apr 02, 2009
I agree with Lilred.  I think it is ultimately the parents role to educate their children on sex and birth control.  

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by VicUser, Apr 02, 2009
My wife and I taught our kids really early about responsibility. Starting at age 10 they wanted to be in 4-H and had a 3 day old calf each spring.  Each calf needed to have its formula mixed and fed twice a day once before school and once after, it had to have the poop cleaned out of the stall twice a day and new straw put down every evening. This lasted for about six weeks until it was weaned and eating solid food. Then the work load lessened and they didn’t have to mix the formula, but still had to feed and clean twice a day but it was a lot quicker.

Our oldest complained one time and I said when you have a baby it is years not weeks, so before you think about having sex, think about how much work this is. Fast forward 15 years, both he and his younger brother are glad they learned that lesson and it helped them not to give in to the urge before they were ready to take on that responsibility. We still don’t have grandkids, but when it is time I know they will be responsible and take care of them well.

BTW, although it is not part of this thread both wives are planning to be stay at home Mom’s and our boys are willing to do what it takes to make sure that will happen even if it means scrimping and working two jobs.


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by Loki_32, Apr 04, 2009
Plan B does not abort a pregancy, it stops a potential pregancy.  It must be taken 72 hours after the sexual encounter to be effective.

My daughter is 13 and she has had sex ed in elementary school and middle school, I know because I sign the permission slips, now she gets it in her health class.  We recently watched "The Secret Life of an American Teenager" together so it would open up discussions of teenage sex and pregancy.

If my 13 year old, who will be put on birth control this summer, came to me before hand and said, "mom, I made a mistake last night and had sex" I'd run right down to the drug store and buy Plan B.  Then continue to educate her the best I can on abstinence, safer sex, and birth control.  I'd rather do that than go through abortion, adoption, or raising the child for her. Oh, and I'd probably lock her in her room and home school her until she turned 30... *wink*

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by gokuangel, Apr 07, 2009
Vic and Loki i think you guys are very smart and have done and are doing good educating you children about sex ed! I think thats the key and the best thing to do! And Loki i do know about plan B and i would agree with you if it was my child saying they made that mistake i would go to the store right fast also!!

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by lissa666, Jul 28, 2010
sorry to say it but i would rather have teenagers getting and using plan B, rather than having babies that they cant take care of or having aweful abortions..... its an aweful truth that teenagers dont think before their hormones take over, and time after time they realize they messed up AFTER they already did it.... they are too hormone driven to think before they act and use birth control ahead of time..... so really plan B is the teenagers way out of a bad situation... and even better its our countries way out of having to spend tax payers money to take care of soooo many teenage moms and their unwanted babies

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