ok if this isn't bad enough, let's go by his actions---like how in this time of national crises, he hasn't filled his top level cabinet positions, his existing cabinet members making efforts to regulate both internet communication and classify folks that are anti abortion or in support of ron paul as extremists----yeah we got a real winner here.
I agree that someone depicting him as such, doesn't make him the Anti-christ, but even his own actions makes one onder at times...If I am not mistaken, I believe his first bill was to legalize abortion?
The man is too full of himself. I really do think he has a Messiah complex. After all, he would have had to approve those pictures, right? And he calls himself a Christian? Anybody can do that. That's why the Bible says to check the person's fruit to see if they are truly filled with the Spirit. Actions speak louder than words. I'm tired of listening to hypocrites.
No, he says he is and he's quoted things out of the Bible even. He also goes to church. Although, whether or not he does all of that just to please a certain set of people, who knows. Presidents always do things like that.
Thank you girlie! =)) I am so darn disappointed is not even funny... I was really expecting this trip to be an explosion of emotions, (ALL GOOD, that is) and enjoying to the fullest all my family, friends and of course: FOOD!... and now it turns out we won't be going out to eat, we won't be going out to visit people... we can't go to public places!... Christ, we can't even hug and kiss?!?!?! that's what I like to do best! =((
Oh well... maybe I can get some of that medication down with me too! lol ;)
That right there is scary enough. He had to have been influenced by that Rev Wrights being in his church so long. I can't even believe that man (the Rev) calls himself a man of God. God is a God of love, not hate.
I hate how Obama keeps comparing himself to Christ. What arrogance. How blasphemous.
Well,the end is near and the Bible says some one with power,that everyone trusts will end up being the anti-christ.Everyone used to say it was the Pope,who knows.But,its written that the anti-christ will appear on earth first,then our real savior.The economy,disease,things are getting really bad and God will only let it get so bad before he rescues those that will go to heaven.Just my opinion.
This is ridiculous. Are you all waiting for 2012 also? You are like chicken little running in circles and screaming the sky is falling.......It is no wonder I have such distain for unquestioned religions. Stop take a deep breath, think for yourselves for a bit. It doesn't hurt, really it doesn't.
Obama came out of no where...he became the president without ANY credentials at all...he is a total liberal radical...he is anti-capitalism..which is what our founding fathers based this nation on...He is a socialist and probably could be as bad as a Mousilini or worse (won't say anymore)..he has already put our country in the worst economic crisis ever. His trillion dollar budgets that are filled with pork-barrel spending (which he promised he wouldn't do) is more money spent on a budget than all presidents added together. He shakes hands with our enemies and apologies for our country defending itself...He is personal friends with Bill Aires a renowned terrorist. He sat for 20 years in the pews of Rev. Wright who is anti-white and anti-American..his own wife said that she was never proud of our country and considered the USA a downright mean country in 2008.....He is weakening our millitary..he is destroying our country....and all of us..those who voted for him, or not, are just sitting by and watching...it is a disgrace!!!!
What was it that End times says??? He will fool all? He will have a Messiah-like popularity? He will come from the East????
LOL! Oh my. If my memory serves me, someone depicted Sarah Palin with a patriotic bikini holding a gun. I will say it again. Believe nothing of what you hear and half of what you see. This has gone from the sublime to the ridiculous. LOL! If Obama is the anti christ, then phrophesy is being fulfilled people and their is nothing you or me can do to change it. If your that worried, better start reading, repenting and praying for salvation. I know of absolutely no one at all that worships Obama. Come on!
religion aside, he is pushing the envelope way too far. despite whether or not you pray to a certain deity, his administration is composed of people like david hamilton, who was responsible for trying to prohibit christian prayer in certain public arenas. this is freedom of speech, folks. we lose that, we are in trouble. if someone is offended by the mention of jesus or anyone else, they are more than welcome to go live somewhere else that censors the people and executes the outspoken. please go back where you came from and leave my country alone!
Darn right, I don't worship Obama...but you don't think there are people out there who do??? They think he is above being human.....He doesn't have power....WE give him that power...that is the scary part...
Playing around is just fine girl! :) I was on Facebook and found a site where they make tee shirts called "Obamanism" (a cross between, socialism, marxism, and communism). I found it fitting. Just my two cents! I'm wondering how long before we make these types of comments that we end up losing our jobs, being placed in jail or worse. Look what happened to Joe the Plumber and the journalist in Florida who questioned him to his face. Scary times for sure!
i'm going to keep telling anyone who will listen-----this is not what our founding fathers initiated. and ya, they are already trying to silence parts of the alternative media. i'm not going quietly-----come and get me----i'll be waiting....
Really? Go to that site that says Obama the Messiah and tell me that people don't worship that man. Look at the painting this man painted and tell me that he isn't being worshiped. Go back and look at his inauguration where people were swooning and tell me they are not worshiping this man. Better yet, look at this:
boogieman, there will be a day when true followers of Christ will be thrown in prison. The Bible says to be prepared for that.
I will never worship any man. He has compared himself to Christ more than once. It's sickening.
There are still lots of things that have to unfold before the antichrist comes on the scene. The book goes into detail about such things. He says no one will no the time or place, but when you see these things come to pass look up. Some of those things are children disrespecting and hurting their parents, and visa versa, man lying with each other and women too. It shall not be safe for a straight man to go out of his house at night for fear of being sexually molested by other men. Humans lying with animals, one world currency, mark of the beast on the body being the only way to buy groceries etc. There will be wars and rumors of war. There will be a nuclear war. Weather changes, earthquakes in diverse places, famine, drought, pestulance and diseases. I do not see Obama as being popular enough around the globe to fill that bill. Just because of an ignorant bunch of people paint paintings and do stupid stuff, does not mean anything except do stupid stuff.
If you think about it, we are seeing most of those things right now, Teko. I'm not saying he's the anti-christ. I don't know. I'm just saying it's sickening how people worship him.
You're right about one thing. If it's Bible prophecy then there's nothing you can do except make sure you're right with God.
What a horrible imgae!!! Seriously, what has this man done that is so great already, that we can now compare him to Jesus. I am not saying that he is the Anti-Christ, but no one would should Compare themselves to Jesus, president or not.
. . . and maybe I'm being too far fetched, but now our government is looking into bailing out credit card companies and getting into that business. For me, it's not hard to believe how fast it could happen. I'm not sure if Obama is the anti-christ either, but some things have made me ponder about it.
Yes one President of the World...one currency, extreme socialism,big Brother, have you ever wondered who the little voice is whispering in his ear..think about who he is closest to and who encouraged him to go get married in wrights church and have his chlidren confiirmed there, Who, I do think a lot is unfolding very fast ..like he is man driven in an extreme hurry, I also get a very nasty feeling this last 100 days .....
i do not think people 'worship' Obama... but the man did make history and that stirs up a lot of emotions in many people. Do you all not understand how this will forever change history? The first African American president... That is why he is being treated different from the rest of the presidents. And that is the only reason :) Sometimes things aren't as complicated as some people make them out to be, but hey thats what we humans are good at.. making uncomplicated situations, complicated.
I do not believe that politics should be associated with religion.. and i do not believe that someone should be 'looked down upon' if they don't believe as you do..The fact remains that he is our president and there's nothing that can be done about it ( well not right now anyway)
OK, this is all a little bit ridiculous. The man that made this portrait did so with his own ideas in mind, and did it ti spark reaction. The article itself even claims that that's what he wants. All you people who are hating this picture so much, good job on giving this "blasphemous" man what he wants.
Also, saying that Obama is a brainwashing antichrist is a bit scary. Seriously people...where are your heads? I didn't even vote for the man, nor do I really give a rats butt about him, but give me a break. Why can't you see how he can represent something positive for people? He made history, became the first black president, he has Oprah backing him for goodness sakes, and you all wonder "why" he is as popular as he is? he is young black man, and the youth agree with him and his policies...its not hard to figure it out. if people want to glorify him....if he gives people something to feel hopeful about...why does that bother you? You don't have to like him, you don't have to worship him or anything else. Please try to remember that not every person believes the things that you believe, and that doesn't make them wrong.
pinkbelle, look at that website Obama the Messiah and tell me that people don't worship him. Yes, they are! They are calling him their Savior and some even think he's Jesus come back. It's crazy how people think. And what of this painting? To depict him on the same level as Jesus Christ is the biggest insult. I don't care who he is or whether he makes history. I would never compare anyone to the Messiah and give them godlike qualities.
I must say, this is quit entertaining if nothing else. I was going to the beach today but changed my mind and came home after work. I cannot wait to see how far out this is gonna go! He is in my mind, a good man, Americas choice, and god forbid that people actually like the man and have confidence that he will point us in a new and better direction than where we have been. What you see is hope among a downtrodden people. Now we can say YES WE CAN! And to me in these troubled times we find ourselves in, It feels good! I only worship one God and it is not Pres Obama. By the way, I luv his wife. Classy Lady!
I didn't say bailing out credit card companies "mean the world is going to end?" However, I do believe it's another way for control and easier to control our spending habits and our money if the government owns or partially owns the financial system (banks) and credit card companies. Obama may not be the anti-christ, but I do believe that what is happening right now in this country and all over is in preparation for the return of our Lord and Savior.
Who cares if he is the first black president, that does not give him the right to be worshiped or treated any differently. If that is the case then why does MLK not have a painting like this? At least he did great things with his life.
I wish I was going to the beach right now! I think that would be more fun! :)
I know we disagree (respectfully with each other) on this stuff but I honestly like you. I think you should go have some fun for me!
April that is simply not true! Taken out of context like everything else. I saw her when she was talking, media turned it ugly. Not what she meant at all. But I am not going to defend her. She simply does not need me to.
ok to clarify. the reference to brainwashing (for those of you who are too young to be aware of it---or never studied world history) is from the early days of the third reich in 1930's germany. very similar depictions were created of hitler---he was the supposed savior of the germans. look at some of the pre-war posters and signs that his associates plastered everywhere. those who forget the past.....and so on. this is not the only image that is being propagated either, but the most disturbing. what scares me is that it seems we have learned nothing from the extermination of millions just because they didn't fit a certain religious or racial profile. this is supposed to be 'we the people' not 'them the elite.' obama is merely a pawn in a much larger strategy---i'm no fan of bush either---but he is the mouthpiece of the present administration and he needs to be held accountable----all of washington should be accountable. if you or i did some of the things these guys get away with, we would be under the jail. they need to be reminded that NO one is above the law.
Oh my, that IS scary. I guess I need to brush up on my history. That time period always did interest me. I never did understand how one man, Hitler, could have so much power as to murder millions of people like that. I never understood the way people worshiped that man either. Why did people follow him so blindly? Why did no one stand up to him? What gave him such power like that?
mojorisin64, yes....I think it's 2017. At least that's what they believe. They believe that all the animals will turn against us and kill everyone at that year..at least that's what I remember from watching a show years ago.
This thought leads me to an interesting dream I had some time 2007? In the dream, I was a man walking down a desert. It was just nothing but an endless stretch of sand and blue sky without any clouds.... There was nothing alive, except for a few people who had the money/power to live underground. But their fate was sealed because their food storage was dwendling down and there was no place to grow anything. The Earth above was contaminated by the after-effects of a huge nuclear war. Supposedly something was telling me in that dream that was how the world will end.
Somewhere I wrote down the date of that dream, but yeah.... I felt a sense of sadness throughout the dream.
On the other front:
I tend to think rather cynical of politicians in general...so you can bet worshiping any of them is the last thing on my mind.
Btw I did a search on "Bush Messiah" and found results... There are porbably people who will hail just about anyone to an unrealistic view. Regardless of anything, I know there is at least one painting I am NOT buying or placing any bids on if I ever had to.
I am just disgusted at the image I saw of Obama. Anyone who would allow someone to paint such a picture of oneself is down right wrong. I'm sure that he had to give his stamp of approval before it could be revealed. Everyone better be getting thier ducks in a row, cuz the end is a comin'. If you are a Christian then you know that prophecy is being fulfilled as we speak. Lets all get one thing straight, Obama is the first BI-RACAIL president. Keep in mind that he his half white too. It seems like that bit of information has been lost along the way. He is also trying to get one world currency also. SCARY. Anywhoo.. this is just my two cents worth and beliefs. I have heard many people say that they wonder if Obama is the anti-christ. I have to say that I beleive if he is not the anti-christ, then he is the deciever who will come before the tribulaton starts. I am glad that my family have all asked Christ to be thier savior, so I don't have to worry about where we will all be.
Its going to be hard to not offend people with this comment but here I go. When only one extreme is taught to a person like christianity is shoved down a childs throat since birth.. that is brainwashing.
You're right. That was offensive. I NEVER shoved Christianity down my kids throats, thank you very much. I did teach them about the love of Jesus, etc. When they get to a certain age, they make up their own minds, anyway.
April I totally agree with about Kele2432. She really rubbed the wrong way with that statement. Maybe has a child you might be raised to believe a certain way, but no one is forcing you to believe anything when you are an adult. So that statement is just false and mean.
Hey April, you can worship butterfly poop as far as I'm concerned. To each his/her own... Maybe your God is trying to talk to me thru my terminal ovarian cancer, punishment for not voting Republican LOL
Just a thought: Obama may have been elected by the majority of this country, but consider that 60% more black people voted who never voted in elections before, so that helped his majority vote.
Not only that, but plenty of people simply voted for him because he is black. Then again, others did not vote for him because he is black. Pretty shallow.
But that goes to show that the majority of people who can elect an official don't have to be educated or make a truly informed decision. They only have to be old enough to vote as an American citizen with a clean record.
So just because he was elected by the majority of the American people--you can't deny that a good portion of the majority were basing their vote on what they thought looked good to them in the media, rather than looking into what the candidate's agenda was, and the fine details within it.
In my humble opinion, just because a man was elected "the president of the United States elected by the majority of his constituents" doesn't necessarily make him a great man who has achieved historical significance other than being popular and having a dark skin color (because he is not completely black; he is bi-racial).
April2, you're right but for some reason I get the date confused. Yes it is 2012.
Kele2432, wow those sure are fighting words, lol........ No comment here other than I view myself as spiritual, leaning towards Christianity, but I don't feel it my calling to preach and spread the word. I can see where you're coming from there, but wow, you're sure opening up a can of worms with that remark.
Interesting how this topic changes btw... Frankly if anyone painted me like that, I'd think the artist was nuts or off their rocker... I wouldn't approve, but other than that there really isn't much control you can do to stop someone from painting whatever they want. We have freedom of speech, for better or for worse.... To change the topic further I remember quite an uproar when someone painted Jesus with elephant urine (dung???). I heard, but haven't followed up, that in another culture that was considered an honor because elephants are highly esteemed. But that is irrelevant to this topic. Just something that came to mind to allow people to further discuss.
Wow...this has been great fun to read, if nothing else!
I don't believe that religion has anything to do with politics...so what if you feel Obama is the anti-christ? Obviously the majority of the U.S. don't have a problem with him...
I totally agree with Kele2432...just because YOU believe strongly in something (Jesus, The Bible, sceintology, buddhisim, atheisim...whatever) doesn't make it *truth*. Maybe it does to you because those are YOUR beliefs, but not everyone has to agree with you.
Personally, I feel that painting is ridiculous...but that's just MY opinion.
I'm very disappointed with these rude comments from some members. The ones that know they're being rude and admit we all have our own beliefs are the same ones bashing someone else's. Let's all try to get along and disagree respectfully...
Then Bohan, what were you trying to imply with that comment??? What does voting for McCain say about anyone???
Babypooh- I agree with what you are saying, but I just do not understand why we should sit back and listen to someone attack our faith and our beliefs. I totally agree that it should be done with respect, but it seems like if someone does not agree with what you have to say, then you are the rude one and not them. It's true were are all entitled to our beliefs about faith and even Obama, but some people statements are just written to be hurtful. I put a lot of heart into my comments and it obvious that some people are just writing out of spite to hurt others.
I am sorry if anything I said offended you personally.
I don't know, boogieman, you know your journal's been run over by a bunch of moody, hormonal women, lol. I'm including me in this category! Hey, at least I'm honest! I think it was Teko who said something about hormonal women to begin with. Where'd Teko go?
I simply do not understand some of you ladies.. Obama did not tell those people to treat him like a 'messiah'.. he simply wanted change so he got off his [email protected]@ and did something about it.. There is a real sense of hope in this country FINALLY!!!! I see it in my generation.. the generation that isn't afraid to push boundries.. we want change cus we all know what we were doing before sure wasn't working.. I do believe in a higher power but i am not a fanatic about it nor do i 'look down' on others just because they choose to believe in something different.
He cant control how people act towards him anymore than we can.. so i think its very wrong to judge him on things that others do. Regardless of who you voted for Obama is the president so there is no sense in fighting over it. Let's give him a chance to prove himself before we doubt him.. I guess we have a lot of cynics these days.. as for me i choose to be hopeful for the future and i look forward to seeing just how much improvement barack will bring.. and I am glad that he is the president .. i see him bringing real changes to this country :)
April2, its elephant poop I believe, but still not my thing either... I remember watching a completely different show featuring a place you could order elephant dung in heart shaped packages to send to your ex of choice around Valentine's day.
boogieman, I don't do kisses or make up, but maybe a group hug would suffice?
*goes to check calendar to see when the next full moon stage is*
boogieman, can you tell us some more about Hitler and how all that started? I asked you awhile back but you probably didn't see it. I'm just interested. I've always been interested in that time period. How do you suppose Hitler got to that point where he had so much power that he could control people like that, to kill millions? What do you think?
MJ, the butterfly poop was in reference to what Bohan said awhile back where she didn't care if I worshiped butterfly poop. As for the elephant dung, no, I don't like anything that mocks or puts down the Lord Jesus since he's so dear to me.
I have tried several times to see this old painting I have put in the link you gave can you give it again as I want to see what its all about you keep saying, you guys that OBama gave permission is that true I cannot believe anyone would do that , am I misunderstanding it, why arent the catholics up in arms/protesting in the streets, come on what am I missing.
This painting (and the sculpture) probably shows more that Clark is suspect, than Obama.
But to KNOW someone has done a painting of you in such bad taste (that's the least you can say about this!)-and to 'let it be'....well that doesn't show very good judgement does it? That painting gave me the creeps.
Ooooh...hot topics, FOR SURE!
Yes, I think we should save those for another evening...I can hardly keep pace with this thread!
I'd like to say it's hormonal for me, but I should say it's due to lack of hormones. Surgical menopause at 26 = NOT FUN.
Bye everyone :)
All religion aside--- people definitely worship Obama and have him on an incredibly high pedestal. He is only a mortal man. When I was watching the Election and once it was stated he got office... the sea of people weeping and snotting all over themselves was absolutely ridiculous. He is NOT our salvation or the answers to our problems. In fact, so far everything he's doing or has done is only going to hurt us all in the long run but everyone is thinking it's so great because it is different.
If McCain or someone else had won (that I voted for) I wouldn't be falling all over his feet, crying and praying for him to save us all. It's seriously pathetic. I'm just biding time until the next election. No one will ever be perfect but this guy just rubs me the wrong way (has nothing to do with race; but with his "convictions" and "morals").
I think portraying any mortal man in the image of Christ is a very dark, dark, and definitely blasphemous thing to do. But did Obama commission these 'works of art' or sanction them? Or is it just Clark - 'off on one'-?
I guess an artist is free to paint whatever he sees fit, how he sees things, whether we would think they are blasphemous or not...? (I'm not saying I like this, I DON'T, -but isn't that what art does? Express what the artist feels about a subject?)
what happens at the next full moon? will there be cake?
as far as the third reich, germany was in a state of turmoil following world war two. the middle of the road political factions could not maintain control, so the people began to move to the extreme left and right (sound familiar?). the issues at stake were severe penalties imposed by the treaty of versailles as well as the still resounding effects of a worldwide economic depression. hitler promised change through increased national pride, national peace, and economic reform including the elimination of unemployment. in time, ethnic cleansing became a part of the mix, later developing into hitlerian eugenics---the creation of a master human race. thank god he didn't have the technology we do today. the madness of the nazis continued until the allies were able to invade and obliterate all resistance and liberate the concentration camps. i'm not saying obama is the next hitler, i'm trying to draw attention to the vulnerabilities of a nation in turmoil, and how easily people can be swayed into buying into selective information simply to ease their pain. we've been treated like mindless sheep for a few years now, and i don't fear for myself so much as i do the children. i have two beautiful nieces and i shudder to think what this country will be like for them ten years from now.
I think he will bring change ONLY that I dont think it will be change for the good of our country, or the small everyday people like us. WE may to recongnise this cournty in 4 years. AND LUISE FARRCON DID QUOTE FROM THE CHORAN POINT TO THE SIGNS OF THE NEW MESSIHA AND CALLED OBAMA THE MESSIHA over look speeling please
I'm just asking this as a serious question (not a dig at anyone), but does anyone know for sure whether Obama authorized this painting, b/c I don't think that's necessarily a given? As someone else said, an artist is free to paint whatever he wants, so in this case, shouldn't the anger be towards the artist of "The Truth" versus jumping at Obama and calling him the antichrist? I'm Christian, but I guess not Christian enough b/c I don't quite understand how we're jumping from the discussion of an offensive painting to the end of the world approaching. I don't see the connection.
Okay the next full moon is the 8th of next month........I guess we're ahead of chedule.
The elephant poo was controversial. In some cultures I heard (from my highschool art teacher) that was meant as an honor... But Americans see it very differently. I was changing the subject a little...
Thanks Boogieman....someone had my post deleted off your thread...just wondering who....if it were you...of course, I accept that....but the nerve of someone else~ I guess they couldn't take it! LOL!!!
MJ---Love dark chocolate!!!
No, I am sure Obama did NOT approve that picture...the artist is showing how SICK and CRAZY Americans are reacting to our new president...they treat him like a Messiah....it is not his fault...I don't blame him for that.....I don't like his views at all...but it is the American People that are making him a god......not himself....
Are you sure it isn't just that particular artist who is 'making him a god'? Maybe the people are seeing hope in Obama, when we are living in a very unstable neurotic world. He certainly is 'change' and I think that radical change is sometimes refreshing and gives us a new perspective. Yeah I know emotionalism surrounds Obama, and the people who voted for him. It spread across the globe the day he was elected. Yes, probably people are making a big emotional gush about Obama, and as time goes by that will die down a little, as reality and mundane politics set in....(?)
politics - bolloticks as far as i'm concerned. i have never voted in my life, i wouldn't want to encourage ANY of them. Let's face it, they're the ones who'll bring about a massive nuclear war then hide underground whilst everyone who was innocent dies., they're the ones who tolerate today's atrocities... i mean starving, come on there's no need for it in this day and age at all and i bet greed is at the root of it. And armageddon...or however it's spelt is - wake up - here and happening - where's the good in harping on about it? And NO obama is no the anti christ, for a start we're all supposed to trust who is and not many people trust politicians. and no one canhold obama rsponsible for how others depict him, that's an individual choice and we were all given free will afterall. jeez...look after the animals He said, it was fairly simple. what a mess we made. and if there is eincarnation or whatever i swear to god i am not coming back down here again.
To Wendy.. I asked the same thing a while back it also got ignored aswell ..I think if you google OBama Painting as the Christ ou will get information thats what I did, I also asked about him giving permission for it to hang in Union Square I still dont know if you find out will you let me know ,Thanks
As far as I see it, the painting was done... Nothing we can do will undo it. All we can do is react, rant and rave, wish that it was never created. Also keep in mind controversy is makes artwork great…so the more we fight it, the more encouragement it gives for such crazy ideas…. It’s the shock value….people get upset…it draws curiosity, then that draws in more crowds….and then the artist must create something new even more shocking….
I don’t know I’m remembering a certain Super bowl half time show…. Okay I never saw the all time earth shaking historic “wardrobe malfunction” live, thanks to my younger sister who went “Ewww Justin Timberlake and turned the channel…but oh yeah, they got their moment of fame (or infame)…
This artist got what they wanted…. If they painted Obama in a normal pose, normal setting, and normal pose, no one would care, or at least it wouldn’t have garnered so much attention here.
suzi-q, have all you want. We also have a salad bowl for those who want to eat a little healthier. ;)
worriedbabe, not voting is the American way of saying "I don't care, I'll just let the government take over..." Okay...I'm blanking out but I heard an awesome quote about how decisions were made and and at the end it finished off with "because you didn't vote" I heard it somewhere but can't remember enough of it to give a google search...
Needless to say, if you don't vote you are making a decision and voting for whatever the government chooses... Yes I believe people should vote regardless of viewpoint or political standing.
Worriedbabe, what is your question? I must have missed it.
I find it hard to believe Obama would have requested the painting not be displayed or whatever. I don't know. Who knows? I do know he's made references to himself and Christ so maybe that's partly where the artist got the idea of portraying Obama as the Christ? Just wondering.
I do think this is only the beginning, folks. Just don't be fooled by a lot of charm and good looks. Keep your eyes and ears open and investigate everything.
boogieman, thanks for a very informative and eye-opening journal. I'm glad things settled down a bit and no one's fighting!
well, i don't know how things ought to be since i'm not god. but i do have free will and i exercise it. i do not wish to vote. i do not wish to show my support for ANY politician EVER. I think they have lot to answer for and if there is a judgement da,y a politician is one thing i'll be glad not to be when it comes. and btw i'm english. doesn't matter about the PM guys, not something i'm ready to discuss yet.
oh and one last thing before i go to bed. it's actually my way of saying i do care, and want no part in the mess this beautiful planet has become. Politics to me is lies, misleading, hyping, corrupted by greed, allows and is responsible for evils, wars ( legalised murder in my opinion ), sometimes restricts or takes away people's free will and basic rights as a human being...i coud go on all night but i'm too tired now. I just want no part in that kinda stuff.
Well a lot of why people are saying Obama is the anti christ (no prayers in public places, legal abortions) sound like Canadian law so forgot Obama, Harper must be the anti-christ and he is our version of right wing!
It's about time that Americans have a president that realizes the whole world isn't Catholic and that other groups deserve to be respected and recognized (removing prayer in public) and that a woman has a right to choose when it comes to her body. I'm glad to see that change happening. I think that Obama is doing the best he can cleaning up after Bush. He has his hands full and deserves patients... we has been given a lot to clean up.
worriedbabe, I am sorry you feel that way. Our government has its problems this is tru, but compared to countries like Irak where they cut the hands off women that dare expose them, and mutilate them so they will not be sexually active. I think our system looks pretty good. Also, if you do not vote you do not have a voice or an opinion. It simply is dead air. I hope you change your mind, it is sad otherwise.
teko, she lives in the UK based on her last responses. They have a different system as far as I know. I don't know much about the UK to really say one way or the other.
Still, worriedbabe we enjoyed your visit with our highly politically charged debate on American politics. You're welcome to post anytime. But to any Americans who don't vote... yeah I really wish I could find that poster or whatever it was that had all kinds of statistics and a very powerful message at the end.... I couldn't pull anything up on google which was a shame.
It's popular among Christian apologists to claim that Hitler, the Nazis, and the Holocaust are all consequences of atheism, secularism, and liberalism. Such arguments fly in the face of reality: Adolf Hitler regularly proclaimed his faith in God, Nazi ideology was committed to supporting Christianity (on its terms, of course), and Nazi anti-Semitism was firmly grounded in Christian anti-Semitism. Hitler's theism, religiosity, and Christianity are strongly supported in his own words.
My question why does everyone call obama africa american? He is just as much white as black..As for me I voted for "PALIN". I think obama is a joke that I just dont get...(yet) Gotta love them tea parties...Will wait patiently for the next election...
actually i made the comparison, speaking of facts. this has nothing to do with religion, but yes hitler did claim to be a christian just as the many of the ranks of the neo-nazi skinheads and the klan do today. extremism is dangerous whether it's the holy roman crusade murderers or the taliban removing peoples' heads. and making one person out to be the be all end all solution to the problems that face all of us is dangerous. the comparison was between the glorification obama has received based on surface observations, (not mine--those of the people that want to follow his every word without question), and the similar blind allegiance that was propagated in the third reich through portrayal of hitler as a semi-deity. if you want to talk facts, they're available to anyone who is brave enough to look beyond katie couric or cnn. i don't claim to be a democrat, republican, conservative or liberal. i'm an american who is fed up with being lied to by this and previous administrations, watching my mother have to work past retirement age because of a corrupt economic policy and watching the powers that be more or less say "kiss my a$$ because we are above the law." i could list example after example, but that's not my responsibility. i've done what i set out to do, which was to get people to leave american idol and the rest of hollywood alone for five minutes, and hopefully take note of what is known as reality. i care about all of you no matter what you believe, and that is why i do what i do. at the end of the day we are all alike, we all bleed red, we all shed tears, and we all belong. fight the good fight and watch what happens. gm
Great comment Boogieman! My opinion is that if someone thinks this journal or any part of it is offensive, then they shouldn't read it. Its your journal. Thanks for sharing all this and for being a voice of reason! God bless!! Hugs, Janet
boogieman Do you believe that Obama is an extremist. I think that many people educated themselves during this election and we have Obama to thank for that. I don't believe that there is a blind allegiance to Obama. He's charismatic and people like him. I think that many people have posted some statements that are obsurd. Maybe they don't want to come out and say they aren't comfortable with a president that is half black, or of muslim descent. Im sorry that your mom has to work past the age of retirement, but that was the mess that Obama has been left to clean up. Lets give him a chance before we continue to call him the anti-christ and compare him to Hitler.
it's not obama per se, it's the perception that is created by the pr, the media-----they do it for all the politicians. i'm referring to the way a lot of folks get their 30 to 60 minutes of current events from the major networks, and do not question what they hear. there's a lot that we are not told, we often have to seek the answers. personally i think the whole mess needs to be brought to a stop and restarted, from the municipal level on up. i can always dream. good night everybody and take care. gm
Exactly, jimi. It WAS a healthy debate till people came on here and started insulting others. Kele, I don't even know you. I'm not going to get into a fight with you. I did not compare Obama to Hitler, nor do I have a problem with African Americans. That's just ridiculous. I have a problem with his morals and arrogance. I'm not afraid of Obama, either. What frightens me, or maybe I should just say what amazes me, is the way people are worshiping this man, such as you are doing right now. The man can do no wrong. I guess we all will just have to wait and see how things go over the next few years. I do worry about his socialistic ways but we shall see. I don't place my faith in Obama. I place my faith in God alone.
I am done with this journal. It was fun for awhile. Thanks boogieman.
My vote is for April... you go girl...Yes, lets just wait and see...in AR we done our part too...I have NO faith in obama..I have never felt about a president like I do this one...and it does not have anything to do with race. When a person is compared to my Christ...I am appalled...Who "is" whispering in his ear, calling the shots...I will never beleive it is him...
I don't know. Biblical versions of Jesus portray him as having hair "like lamb's wool". He was also born in the Middle or Near East and would likely have had brown skin, made even darker by spending so much of His time outside. It rather makes an interesting argument that Jesus was a "black" man. Is that what's so scary? How does this "article" make Obama the anti-Christ? Why not make him part of the Second Coming? Or maybe the horrible tie he's wearing while some publicity-seeking artist confuses politics with religion is what's really scary.
Like I've said before, I make no secret that I'm a leftist, flaming, commie, pinko socialist who celebrated when Obama (a moderate in my view) was elected. Hope we can disagree with respect = )
I missed The Biggest Loser. I was watching SpongeBob.
I just know he didn't like being called "Sue". My dad told me about the song, so I looked it up.
No I'm fine, I think. I just kind of got lost when it came to comparisons and name calling. I felt like, come on we are better than that. But alas it makes an interesting read. Kind of funny if people can step back and read it without the emotional connection.
Aside from the news, I didn't watch TV today. They had something about autism up. They found a genetic link. (series of little genes that add up.) Then the plane story...omg...what were they thinking? Couldn't they just film the plane somewhere else and chromo-key the New York Sky-line... Okay...I better stop bcause that's gonna open up another can of worms.
What can Johnny Cash possibly say? He's dead .... but then Johnny Depp doesn't look all that great either lol Maybe I should get a t shirt with "Floozy" written across the front and the back.
MJ - when Johnny first sang "Sue" - he'd never heard the song or read the lyrics so it sounds like he's talking instead of singing. I never called him Sue to his face .... I wouldn't have if I'd ever seen his face = )
lonewolf07, when I listened to it, sounded a lot like the radio show that we used to listen to every Sunday Night. I could imagine it being said on the Garrison Keillor show.
I don't know, calling any guy "Sue' sounds like a good invitation to get beat up really bad.
Johnny Cash could kick Johnny Depp's butt any day of the week - if he was alive = ( Even dead, Johnny C looks a LOT better than Johnny D lol How long till this gets deleted? Sarah and BP fighting over a guy who wears eyeliner lol
MJ - in the song, Johnny's "father" named him "Sue" because the "father" knew he wouldn't be there to teach Johnny how to be a man - something like that. If I have a daughter or a granddaughter, I think I'll name her Johnny = )
Excuse you, Sarah, LOL. Step away from MY man. You saw our wedding pictures, honey, remember? He he. He's MY prize!
LW, if my man wants to wear eyeliner, that's fine by me, he looks fine with or without it! I'm taking my kook-aid back!
If I had a kid I'd probably name him/her after one of my characters.... I like their names, even if they are kind of unusual. On an off topic note: I used to get picked on a lot for my name......... I hated being asked how my garden grew and I hated having a mysterious "lamb" following me... Oh and people loved to mispronounce my last name....
I'm waiting to see when this thread gets deleted....countdown? I don't like or dislike Obama.... I don't have a solid opinion yet....I like reading the debate over him though.
OOPS sorry Sara...and on the above...LMAOROF...HAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHHA
LW, those are fighting words, missy! Take them back or I'm going to take away all your kool-aid!
Johnny would never leave me for a floozy LOL LOL LOL. Just kidding! Well, he would never leave me, I wasn't kidding about that!
"Proud to be a floozy" lol I have your Johnny now I'm draggling him off to my igloo to do unspeakable things to him - but he's so short how will I find him? That's it. I'm going to bed. Johnny can sleep in the doggie bed.
LW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL. Stop talking about my Johhny that way, you're just jealous of us! LOL. He'll never love you like he loves me! You're going in the corner, indefinitely for this! And NO Kool-aid!!!!
the rapture will come and those who believe will be going home before hell breaks open so dont worry bout who is the anit christ and if he is here but worry about who you love that is not saved and will still be here to live in hell. pray for loved ones who are lost and pray that you will see them on that raptured day . i worry not for my soul is saved and i will never have to dread or fear for tomorrow. if i am taken today i will miss lots of loved one but will never miss tomorrow. Christ will bring raptured Church (his believers) to place he prepared: John 14:1-3 - "Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me. In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am."
'followers' of Jesus, those that have kept his commands (followed his commandments) and accepted him as lord and savior, will be kept from the time of trouble (tribulation), so here we have the proof of a pre-tribulation rapture. In 1 Thessalonians 4: 16-17 we are told how this incredible event will take place:
1 Thessalonians 4: 16-17 - "For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever."
There are even more references to the church being delivered from the tribulation. Also, remember what happened back in the days of Noah. In a sense there was a rapture that occurred then also. Noah and his family, the only true believers and followers of God, were removed from the earth (raptured) by the safety of God to the Ark, while the rest of the earth’s people suffered and died.
lololol good one..Cherie762....I still don't like him. As far as him making a "CHANGE"..anyone could have stepped in and tried changing. It will take sometime to see anything happen. I just want to know what kind of future my granddaughter is going to have since he is putting us further into debt. JMO. Bail him out...bail her out..bail everyone in bankruptcy out....I seriously doubt BAILING EVERYONE OUT IS GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING.
To Arioma ....well he has changed a lot..think, abortions are on all systems go,even when they are late term, stem cells are all go, we are going to have 20 million illegal people made citizens then their families can come on over aswell and take any few jobs that may be left so thats all go, hes letting Gitmo close so the terrorists there are going free,well some of them, the prisons here in LA are letting a few million out of prison a lot from Mexico illegal, here on drug charges.so thats all go a few more drugs being sold on our streets,you mention the trillions of debt you are right ,no money for your Grand children I am afraid therest of the world sees us as weakened, we said nothing much when N Korea sent off that rocket in fact he cut the Military spending the same day,we are now very pally with the worlds big dictators another positive move....?I could go on and on but you get my gist........so I think he has focused on change he wants us changed completly and has only just started on his quest ...
Lets not waste time arguing about small things!! But instead lets pray that Obama makes the right choices!! Always remember God does not make any mistakes whom he puts n office!! God bless ((((B.O.L.D.))))
Cherie762 - that's a good point. It's the artist's perception being discussed here, not the real issues. If I was a conspiracy theorist, I might wonder if some Obama supporter might be behind all this or maybe even a Republican supporter but I doubt it just as I doubt if the average citizen knows exactly what our elected officials are really doing.
April - I agree with you about blindly following any man. We had a woman PM here in Canada a number of years ago and I wouldn't follow her blindly either.
Just a question - are religion and state (politics) separate entities in the USA? In theory they are in Canada, just wondered about you folks = )
In the United States there is a separation of Church and State so that the Church cannot rule the government and so the government cannot rule the Church. But, we are still allowed to pray at public functions, etc. At least for now! :)
The bible tells us that the anti-christ shall arise from the middle east!! In these last days no one knows who he is yet!! Not even himself!! But the time will come when satan enters n2 his body!!!!!!!!!!!
In Canada - at least in Ontario - prayers are not allowed in public schools, only in private ones.
B.O.L.D. - the way borders keep changing in the Middle East what is now the Near or Far East could be the Middle East by the time the anti-Christ comes. By Satan, do you mean an actual entity? Just a question.
More like spiritual!! You see wolf there is a war going on between good & evil satan against God!! satan knows that he has lost the battle already so he is trying 2 take as many 2 people 2 hell with him as possible!!! And 2 answer ur question about the middle east that would be you know like jerusalem???
B.O.L.D. - Thank you for the clarification about good and evil. So evil "enters" a person. That's also a Native belief. Evil gravitates towards "good" because they already have the bad ones. That's what I was taught. Jerusalem and other Middle Eastern countries have changed borders a lot, in my opinion. Rather like a Middle Eastern turf war. Didn't Iran used to be called Persia? I see I'm way off topic again = (
Also read the website boogieman just posted. I guess the artist got enough attention - for now.
We're not allowed prayer in public school here either. What's really sad to me is that a child is not even allowed to put their head down in prayer because if it is noticed they can be suspended or find themselves in detention. I forgot to mention that. But, we still have the right to prayer for public events (such as the President's inauguration).
I just went to the link you posted a few mins ago, and I am not going to comment till others do, that is such a hot potato, I have heard it before ,he has never cleared it up..... thats a good site I will use it from now on to catch up with news.Thanks
I too went to the link. To me kind of seems like the artist is going back and forth with his statements regarding the release. If your "man enough" to paint something like this then be "man enough" to accept the opinions (positive or negative) Despite the fact that it was not formally released it still caused enough hype and I am sure that is was the artist wanted anyway. He will get his 15 minutes and hopefully that will be the end of him and this tacky painting!!!
I found the artwork not only offensive but also crude. Instead of consistently harping on old news that has been beaten to death on this forum, we should be paying more attention to this flu that is determined to start taking out as many people as possible. All of this dislike for our President is old news, and rather boring, and to say the least very tiring. I have 9 grand-babies and keeping them healthy and away from that flu is my main concern.
The artist achieved what he was aiming to do. He started a controversy and now it has spread as fast as wildfire. This post is bordering on ridiculous. We have much more to worry about than a tacky portrait that is totally offensive. If the artist wants his work shown, why not show some of the good things that have been achieved since the election. The President has been racked over the coals in these forums, He's been in office 100 days today. He has achieved many good things, and he has more to come. Instead of dogging the man, try a little respect, you'de be surprised how you might feel. And yes I voted for him. I was a life long Republican, but never again.
Just as an experiment I tried to delete a comment - it didn't work. Unfortunately, the comment I tried to delete was April's = ( It was NOT an offensive post. My apologies for picking the wrong person. I'm going to stand in the corner now ....
Lol, don't worry about it LW. I know I didn't say anything bad. I was just a bit confused why my comments were deleted. Oh well.
Only the original poster or MH can delete comments. No big deal. I'm not upset with anybody. I really think we could have all worked through things on our own given time. We all are adults here, right? ;) Sometimes I think deleting comments can make things a bit worse because it doesn't give us the opportunity to talk things through, you know? Oh well. Lo que sera sera. ;) Thanks BP for my Spanish lesson, lol.
I had some more thoughts on this. Obama is just a human...he can't move moutains and there's only so much power he has.As time progresses people who have such high expectations will likely become disappointed...
It can be seen as a painting symbolizing the unreal expectations some people have for Obama. If you're going from a Christian view point, it seems blasphemous... and perhaps the artist may have wanted that??? Who knows... Maybe the artist wanted to make a social political commentary on how some people expect great things out of political figures.
Or from a non religious perspective, maybe the painting is portraying the same expectations people have for Jesus and maybe they were pointing out something there... Maybe they were capturing a moment of symbolism of how they felt people view Obama and was comparing it with how people view Jesus and religion. But either way....
April - if MH is watching and eating popcorn, I hope you are dressed appropriately. I went to change my clothes and fix my hair so I'd look presentable. Wouldn't want them to drop their popcorn because of my bad hair = )
Obama is only human but he has a lot of power and authority. Maybe the Governator (Schwarzenegger) might find a way to run for President. What a thought - the Terminator as leader of the USA. I know - I'm off topic.
MJ- thanks for making me stop and think. You brought up some pretty good points, but personally as a Catholic I am still very offended by this portrait. But on the other hand you did an excellent job of covering how many people even the artist himself could possibly view this image!! A+ to you!!!!!!
Oh, Kelly you are always a riot!!!!!! Hey April and Lonewolf are you smiling pretty for Big Brother MH???
Lonewolf- It would be awesome to see Arnold for president, but sadly since was not born in the U.S. he cannot run. But I am sure he would do a pretty butt-kicking job!!!!!
It's a work of art - a fictitious representation commenting on the tension between the real and the ideal - and it's using irony to communicate an artist's subjective commentary or feelings about Obama. Just because someone paints Obama with references to biblical imagery doesn't make him the Anti-Christ or mean people are being brainwashed. It's not blasphemy either. There's a world of difference between blasphemy - intentionally insulting a religious figure for example by painting that figure in a degrading and debasing context - and allegory which is representation by suggestive resemblance and is what's happening in this painting.
rdh1981, you're welcome to be offended by the portrait. I personally don't find it so great either... Just throwing it out as an artist myself. Generally when I put artwork out, I hope to get favorable reviews and I'm sure many artists do. But then there's always the thrill of just putting something out and just see what happens and see what people say. Some artists are more "adventurous" in that aspect. than I am. People can form their own opinions on what the art means to them. That's the beauty of art.
And always there's this excuse an artist can fall back on:
"I just created it to see what you'd think of it. If you don't like it, that's okay."
Have you ever been in an airport tower, or have seen the air traffic controllers screens. Planes everywhere, when they get close an alarm goes off (it does in the movies) or they start blinking red. I bet when a post becomes LARGE, QUICK, it becomes of interest, ha ha....that's how I see med help screen's. A bunch of forums and then some start turning yellow, then orange then POPCORN!
Hey guys! Whats happnin? I didnt do it! I thought I responded to this post but cannot find it. Oh well, probably better that way as I have been so off the wall lately. Are we havin a party? Can I come?
I saw that typo too. I was off to watch Lost, well I came down almost an hour early and watched Obama speak. There was something he said I wanted to remember to quote here...oh well. Back to LOST, with all that story arc about time travel, I'm just waiting to see them undo their own existance....
Ok I didn't read all of the posts because there was just WAY too many of them. However, I'm a little confused since people were saying that the picture was trying to make him out to be Jesus and that Obama is the anti-christ? Umm... isn't that just as bad as somone saying he's Jesus? Why would you intentionally talk about someone like that? I voted for Obama I'm not going to lie. I didn't like McCain I've met him in person and he has a bad temper. As far as Michelle Obama I am totally with her on not liking america. I don't like what being american stands for anymore and I definitely don't like being told what I can and cannot do, war, and a million other things that have been going on in this country. I voted for Obama because I BELIEVE in change and I want change. You don't have to agree but those people that were crying when he was inaugurated were crying because they believe in him as well and believe that with his help we can change for the better. That doesn't make him a proficey or an anti christ and this isn't the end of the word. Seriously the dow has been down before big time remember the great depression of 1929 and the influenza out break that killed MILLIONS in 1918 and in 1914-1919 there was WWI and in 1939 WWII. Sh*t happens all the time and its never been "the end of the world".
alaysha, Hmm I thought it already started and finished. Today's episode was sure thought provoking. I like the arguement that people on the LOST forums have between whatever happened happened and the idea that the people can change the course of history.
Seriously yes there are web forums based on that show, and yes the debates about what I mentioned above can get just about as heated as here. Crazy? I know.
Oh yeah now I remember the line that Obama said that I got a kick off of. Your post triggered it. I'd love to have a 'slimmer portfolio of things to work on' I found it amusing when he addressed some people as "having very strong opinions about him and his work." I'd love to say that in an arguement.
Ok well I didnt get to read all the posts by anymeans! Me being a Christian also as rdh said find this very very offensive! I voted for Mccain but that really has nothing to do with this at all. It is very scary that somepeople on here feel the way they do! I personally was raised Baptist... My Dad a Baptist Minister (not anymore) but I NEVER felt is was shoved down my throat and feel that with my Dad being in the position he was in had all the room to do so! I find thatcomment rather offensive as well! I choose to be a Christian based on my belifs! I have not read the entire Bible and dont get to Church every week but all you can have is Faith (of course only if you believe)
I agree, going to church and/or good works doesn't make you a Christian anymore than going into a garage makes you a car (I heard that somewhere :). It's faith and believing in your heart, pure and simple. All the other things are good in that it can help your faith grow stronger, etc., but it doesn't make you a Christian, only believing.
alaysha, I guess it's time zones... In the East coast it's on at 9pm. We watch it at 8pm. I assumed you watched it at 7pm, but maybe they make you wait until 8pm your time. If you send me a pm I can link you to the forum I follow for LOST. I'm about to drop a visit there, but I need to take a shower first... (I guess morning time would be ideal, but I'm not a morning person....)
Wow, I just read all the post...that only took thirty minutes. My two cents. I was very disturbed by the photo. But, I do also get the fact the different views that could be taken. Like MJ said earlier, great post...about seeing it from the different perspectives.
April2-Exactly, "through faith and faith alone"
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