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Benghazi hearing turns ugly: Republicans accuse Obama of lying, Dems fire back
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/15/15194441-benghazi-hearing-turns-ugly-republicans-accuse-obama-of-lying-dems-fire-back?lite
It began when Republican Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) said this: "What is clear is that this administration, including the president himself, has intentionally misinformed, read that LIED, to the American people in the aftermath of this tragedy. Now President Obama has the gall to float the name as possibly secretary of State, the name of the person who is the actual vehicle used to misinform the American people during this crisis."
National Intelligence Director James Clapper arrives for a closed door hearing conducted by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence November 15, 2012 on Capitol Hill.
Rep. Brad Sherman, a Democrat also from California, called the attacks on Rice "unfair" and leveled that Colin Powell testified that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, because that's the information that was given to him. Rohrabacher shot back, going further, intimating that what the White House has done is worse than Watergate. "This is not simply a cover up of a third-rate burglary," he alleged. "We have four of our personnel dead, and it is not a McCarthy-era tactic to demand accountability and to demand that American people are not misinformed about it to the point that they don't know what the threat is."
The back and forth continued when Rep. Jean Schmidt, a Republican from Ohio, also accused the administration of lying. Key Republicans on the Senate Armed Services Committee are calling for a broader investigation into the attack on Benghazi and vowing to block UN Ambassador Susan Rice from becoming Secretary of State, if she should be nominated, because of her initial comments about the fatal incident. Sen. Kelly Ayotte, R-N.H., discusses.
It began when Republican Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) said this: "What is clear is that this administration, including the president himself, has intentionally misinformed, read that LIED, to the American people in the aftermath of this tragedy. Now President Obama has the gall to float the name as possibly secretary of State, the name of the person who is the actual vehicle used to misinform the American people during this crisis."
National Intelligence Director James Clapper arrives for a closed door hearing conducted by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence November 15, 2012 on Capitol Hill.
Rep. Brad Sherman, a Democrat also from California, called the attacks on Rice "unfair" and leveled that Colin Powell testified that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, because that's the information that was given to him. Rohrabacher shot back, going further, intimating that what the White House has done is worse than Watergate. "This is not simply a cover up of a third-rate burglary," he alleged. "We have four of our personnel dead, and it is not a McCarthy-era tactic to demand accountability and to demand that American people are not misinformed about it to the point that they don't know what the threat is."
The back and forth continued when Rep. Jean Schmidt, a Republican from Ohio, also accused the administration of lying. Key Republicans on the Senate Armed Services Committee are calling for a broader investigation into the attack on Benghazi and vowing to block UN Ambassador Susan Rice from becoming Secretary of State, if she should be nominated, because of her initial comments about the fatal incident. Sen. Kelly Ayotte, R-N.H., discusses.
"This administration continues to put out things that are just not quite true," she claimed.
Rep. Dan Burton (R-IN) began by saying he was not going to attack the White House or malfeasance at the State Department. But he then instead spoke for six minutes and didn't ask a single question of the GAO witness.
Naturally, Democrats responded. It began rather timidly and escalated.
"Barack Obama was no more responsible for what happened in Benghazi than George Bush was for Sept. 11th or Ronald Reagan was for the blowing up of U.S. Marines in Beirut," Rep. Eliot Engle (D-NY) said.
Rep. Gary Ackerman (D-NY) unloaded, first sarcastically: "Let's just hang the guilty parties."
"The stench of hypocrisy that hangs over this city today emanates from this room," Ackerman said. "I've listened to my colleagues talk about the President of the United States and others in the administration using [the] terms 'deliberate', 'lies', 'unmitigated gall', 'malfeasance,' which is malicious and knowing evil-doing, 'disgust', 'coverups'."
He continued, "If you want to know who is responsible in this town, buy yourself a mirror!" Ackerman went on to say that Republicans had "the audacity to come here" when the administration requested, for worldwide security, "$440 million more than you guys wanted to provide. And the answer is that you damn didn't provide it! You REDUCED what the administration asked for to protect these people. Ask not who the guilty party is, it's you! It is us. It is this committee, and the things that we insist that we need have to cost money." He added, "Could you tell me which of my colleagues on this committee was as bodacious in their insistence that we provide more money for American security in the State Department budget. I would appreciate it." Ackerman then asked them to raise their hands and gave them a count of five to do so. None did.
Rep. Dan Burton (R-IN) began by saying he was not going to attack the White House or malfeasance at the State Department. But he then instead spoke for six minutes and didn't ask a single question of the GAO witness.
Naturally, Democrats responded. It began rather timidly and escalated.
"Barack Obama was no more responsible for what happened in Benghazi than George Bush was for Sept. 11th or Ronald Reagan was for the blowing up of U.S. Marines in Beirut," Rep. Eliot Engle (D-NY) said.
Rep. Gary Ackerman (D-NY) unloaded, first sarcastically: "Let's just hang the guilty parties."
"The stench of hypocrisy that hangs over this city today emanates from this room," Ackerman said. "I've listened to my colleagues talk about the President of the United States and others in the administration using [the] terms 'deliberate', 'lies', 'unmitigated gall', 'malfeasance,' which is malicious and knowing evil-doing, 'disgust', 'coverups'."
He continued, "If you want to know who is responsible in this town, buy yourself a mirror!" Ackerman went on to say that Republicans had "the audacity to come here" when the administration requested, for worldwide security, "$440 million more than you guys wanted to provide. And the answer is that you damn didn't provide it! You REDUCED what the administration asked for to protect these people. Ask not who the guilty party is, it's you! It is us. It is this committee, and the things that we insist that we need have to cost money." He added, "Could you tell me which of my colleagues on this committee was as bodacious in their insistence that we provide more money for American security in the State Department budget. I would appreciate it." Ackerman then asked them to raise their hands and gave them a count of five to do so. None did.
Funny how the same party that has such a problem with the handling of Benghazi and thinks the President and his administration is covering up something is the same party that denied fund for more security and one of their key critics (John McCain) didn't even go to this hearing..SMH...
Well, I don't think it is bad to ask for answers. I don't think that Republican leaders should lord it over Obama but rather just ask for the truth.
I don't think finger pointing from either side will help the matter.
Just give the truth. How can you go wrong with that?
I don't think finger pointing from either side will help the matter.
Just give the truth. How can you go wrong with that?
By the way, funny to quote Jean Schmidt who is totally OUT.
Admittedly, I've been somewhat (no, a lot) preoccupied, since the death of my dear Auntie and dealing with her affairs, but what am I missing? WHO denied funding for more security in Benghazi?
"WHO denied funding for more security in Benghazi?"
The house republicans..
The house republicans..
There is nothing wrong with asking what happened...but as they have been letting the accusations fly and adding fuel to the stupid conspiracy theories,
they don't seem to want a hearing as much as seem to want to point fingers,to find another way to try to discredit the President.
I want answers too and I am willing to hear that Obama dropped the ball but I will not encourage such ideas without facts.
Good for Ackerman!!!
they don't seem to want a hearing as much as seem to want to point fingers,to find another way to try to discredit the President.
I want answers too and I am willing to hear that Obama dropped the ball but I will not encourage such ideas without facts.
Good for Ackerman!!!
Diversion is a tactic used by both Parties to divert the conversation from the actual topic. Funding is not what this Hearing is about.
Though I may not completely agree with the way Dana Rohrabacher is conducting herself, I also know “The Squeaky Wheel Gets The Grease.” If everyone sits there being passive, this will be swept under the rug. We want the truth and “Funding” is not it.
Though I may not completely agree with the way Dana Rohrabacher is conducting herself, I also know “The Squeaky Wheel Gets The Grease.” If everyone sits there being passive, this will be swept under the rug. We want the truth and “Funding” is not it.
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Does no one care that 4 men are dead?
The State Dept. watched this unfold – and nothing was done to stop the attack, which lasted several hours.
Help could have been sent but was not.
WHY???
That is the simple question to answer.
Then, the Administration put out the lie that a video caused it all.
They lied for two weeks before acknowledging what everyone knew by then – it was a terrorist attack.
Why the cover-up?
Why are they dead???????
The State Dept. watched this unfold – and nothing was done to stop the attack, which lasted several hours.
Help could have been sent but was not.
WHY???
That is the simple question to answer.
Then, the Administration put out the lie that a video caused it all.
They lied for two weeks before acknowledging what everyone knew by then – it was a terrorist attack.
Why the cover-up?
Why are they dead???????
I will say that I remember all the hoopla at the time in the media about the video and Hillary Clinton making statements regarding that video. Could they have been mistaken and that is why that was what was reported or was that intentional?
Whether it was intentional, or a mistake, SOMETHING is being lied about.
The pieces to the puzzle just don't fit. The timing. Hilary. Patraeus. No it wasn't a terrorist attack. Yes it was a terrorist attack. It was because of a video. No it wasn't because of a video.
SOMETHING doesn't add up.
I'm just curious WHAT.
The pieces to the puzzle just don't fit. The timing. Hilary. Patraeus. No it wasn't a terrorist attack. Yes it was a terrorist attack. It was because of a video. No it wasn't because of a video.
SOMETHING doesn't add up.
I'm just curious WHAT.
Here is the problem, this went on for 7 hours. No one got help to those people. Obama takes off the next morning for Vegas and for 2 weeks tried to link it to a Youtube video which he knew was not true.
And Obama must have known what was going on, if not then people in his admin have no confidence in him making a decision.
And Obama must have known what was going on, if not then people in his admin have no confidence in him making a decision.
Diversion is a tactic used by both Parties to divert the conversation from the actual topic. Funding is not what this Hearing is about.
Good point, Glass.Funding is important to the larger picture but it does not explain why, when they were appealing for backup, nothing happened.
It was not a "cover up"..Nothing is being lied about..The intelligence from the CIA was Wrong. Ambassador Rice did NOTHING wrong. ALL of the parties involved with the exception of Rice are responsible IMO, the CIA for giving wrong/misleading information and also for not knowing that more security was needed. The CIA also gave the same wrong/misleading information to Condolezza Rice about weapons of Mass destruction. She was still elected to Secretary of State. As for more security requested, the White house is responsible for not doing more to get security to the consulate, and Congress for denying funding to provide more security. They all need to learn from this and make sure NOTHING like this EVER happens again..
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/49263362#49857270
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/49263362#49857270
http://news.yahoo.com/petraeus-believed-terrorists-behind-libya-attack-145946656--politics.html
WASHINGTON (AP) — Ex-CIA Director David Petraeus told lawmakers Friday that classified intelligence showed the deadly raid on the U.S. Consulate in Libya was a terrorist attack, but that the administration withheld the suspected role of specific al-Qaida affiliates.
The recently resigned spy chief explained that references to terrorist groups suspected of carrying out the violence were removed from the public explanation of what caused the attack so as not to tip off the groups that the U.S. intelligence community was on their trail.
Petraeus also said it initially was unclear whether militants infiltrated a demonstration to cover their attack.
To finish Article click, on link
WASHINGTON (AP) — Ex-CIA Director David Petraeus told lawmakers Friday that classified intelligence showed the deadly raid on the U.S. Consulate in Libya was a terrorist attack, but that the administration withheld the suspected role of specific al-Qaida affiliates.
The recently resigned spy chief explained that references to terrorist groups suspected of carrying out the violence were removed from the public explanation of what caused the attack so as not to tip off the groups that the U.S. intelligence community was on their trail.
Petraeus also said it initially was unclear whether militants infiltrated a demonstration to cover their attack.
To finish Article click, on link
I think MrsP you must have some inside scoop that the rest of the world is not privvy to as details are now coming out. We don't kow exactly what happened. What was up with that video?
My point being that to say definatively that it was not a cover up seems premature as information is just now being revealed. Unless you have some kind of personal involvement in this matter, I'm not sure you personally would know at this point if it were a cover up or not.
I'm open to hearing what really happened and think the truth should come out. Sure, it might not look great for 'someone' but that is part of the downside of being the people in charge.
I'm open to hearing what really happened and think the truth should come out. Sure, it might not look great for 'someone' but that is part of the downside of being the people in charge.
Did you click on the first link and watch the video about the hearing or read the whole article? The general told what happened. What else is there? Besides, Patreaus has to gain from covering up for the President or his administration. Some one the right are insinuating this tragedy is like Watergate..C'mon..Not even close..My point is there is no cover up. Should there have been more security? ABSOfreakingLUTELY...Could this tragedy have been avoided? YES, but there is NO evidence whatsoever that even comes close to a cover up....
I was going to say the same thing, it is way to premature to make any kind of call about this...you can't say it wasn't a cover up. There's so much surrounding this that just doesn't make sense.....The CIA/FBI debacle and the timing of it, the sketchy details, it may be a while before any call can be made.
"The CIA/FBI debacle and the timing of it, the sketchy details,"
What does that have to do with the White House? There is NO evidence that the White House did anything wrong...We know it was a terrorist attack involving Al queda. We know "talking points" were written with Al queda involvement. We know that the words Al queda was omitted from the "talking points". Who omitted the words before sending it for sign off at the intelligence committee? That's the main question now. Obviously whoever signed off read the "talking points" and ok'd them before giving them to the White House. So where's the cover up on the White House side?
What does that have to do with the White House? There is NO evidence that the White House did anything wrong...We know it was a terrorist attack involving Al queda. We know "talking points" were written with Al queda involvement. We know that the words Al queda was omitted from the "talking points". Who omitted the words before sending it for sign off at the intelligence committee? That's the main question now. Obviously whoever signed off read the "talking points" and ok'd them before giving them to the White House. So where's the cover up on the White House side?
Who knows! The possibilities are endless! You're saying nothng is being lied about...I think that's an awfully strong statement to make. There's a lot we still don't know yet, and probably a lot we'll never know!
"You're saying nothng is being lied about...I think that's an awfully strong statement to make. There's a lot we still don't know yet, and probably a lot we'll never know!"
It's pretty strong to assume An Administration would be Lying before all the facts come out....
It's pretty strong to assume An Administration would be Lying before all the facts come out....
* Al Qaeda..Sorry for the incorrect spelling...
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