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KY bill wants drug testing for welfare recipients
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KY bill wants drug testing for welfare recipients
Posted by Rachel Folz - email
FRANKFORT, Ky. (AP) - A Kentucky lawmaker has proposed a bill that would require random drug testing for adults who get food stamps, Medicaid or other state assistance.
Under the bill filed by state Rep. Lonnie Napier, R-Lancaster, those who fail the drug test would lose their benefits.
They could get it back by passing a drug test at a later date determined by the state.
The proposal has the backing of House Speaker Greg Stumbo, D-Prestonsburg, but critics say it would stigmatize welfare recipients and possibly harm their innocent children.
Napier says the goal "is to get people off drugs."
He says there would be exceptions for those who have a prescription for a controlled substance.
--- Information from: Lexington Herald-Leader, http://www.kentucky.com
(Copyright 2011 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
KY bill wants drug testing for welfare recipients
Posted by Rachel Folz - email
FRANKFORT, Ky. (AP) - A Kentucky lawmaker has proposed a bill that would require random drug testing for adults who get food stamps, Medicaid or other state assistance.
Under the bill filed by state Rep. Lonnie Napier, R-Lancaster, those who fail the drug test would lose their benefits.
They could get it back by passing a drug test at a later date determined by the state.
The proposal has the backing of House Speaker Greg Stumbo, D-Prestonsburg, but critics say it would stigmatize welfare recipients and possibly harm their innocent children.
Napier says the goal "is to get people off drugs."
He says there would be exceptions for those who have a prescription for a controlled substance.
--- Information from: Lexington Herald-Leader, http://www.kentucky.com
(Copyright 2011 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
And one last question...I keep hearing comments about how good "they" have it on welfare. How many here besides me have actually been on welfare? I can tell you we didnt' have a single luxery..not one. Clothes were second hand, everything was budgeted. And we took the bus. Have it so good on welfare..what a joke that is.
Well, Mel, as much as I love you, yes, in this case I can say you are way off base. This IS what I do for a living..day in and day out. And yes, it works the same in Canada as it does in the US.
Most welfare recipients are not drug addicts. That is false. And they certainly do not get enough to be eating prime rib, etc. The overwhelming majority also rely on food banks, or food stamps, etc. to feed their children period. Yeah, it might be better then rice and beans, but I can assure you it is not Prime Rib. They are certainly not getting rich. And as for not naming fathers on birth certificates...what about those (and yes, there are an awful lot of them) who are running from abusive situations, etc.
Here is where I get frustrated with some of the attitudes I see towards those receiving welfare. Poverty is no party. I have lived it and I work with it every single day. Are there some that abuse the system? Of course there are, and steps need to be taken to curb that. No argument from me. But it is beginning to sound like some think that these folks want to live this way...that they are just lazy bums living off of the system. That is absolutely not the case. Trust me, the majority I know would take a job in a heartbeat and would much rather work and pay their own way. So while yes, some will just milk the system and don't want things to change, that is absolutely 100% not the majority. Yep, everyone knows someone who has abused it, but that still does not speak for the majority. So perhaps it might be better to quit addressing welfare recipients as a group, and look at people as the individuals that they are. Because everyone is different, and I can tell you, some of these folks are the strongest, most honest people I know. Believe it or not, they are just like everyone else in the world...good, bad, and average. Not a huge group of lazy bums.
Most welfare recipients are not drug addicts. That is false. And they certainly do not get enough to be eating prime rib, etc. The overwhelming majority also rely on food banks, or food stamps, etc. to feed their children period. Yeah, it might be better then rice and beans, but I can assure you it is not Prime Rib. They are certainly not getting rich. And as for not naming fathers on birth certificates...what about those (and yes, there are an awful lot of them) who are running from abusive situations, etc.
Here is where I get frustrated with some of the attitudes I see towards those receiving welfare. Poverty is no party. I have lived it and I work with it every single day. Are there some that abuse the system? Of course there are, and steps need to be taken to curb that. No argument from me. But it is beginning to sound like some think that these folks want to live this way...that they are just lazy bums living off of the system. That is absolutely not the case. Trust me, the majority I know would take a job in a heartbeat and would much rather work and pay their own way. So while yes, some will just milk the system and don't want things to change, that is absolutely 100% not the majority. Yep, everyone knows someone who has abused it, but that still does not speak for the majority. So perhaps it might be better to quit addressing welfare recipients as a group, and look at people as the individuals that they are. Because everyone is different, and I can tell you, some of these folks are the strongest, most honest people I know. Believe it or not, they are just like everyone else in the world...good, bad, and average. Not a huge group of lazy bums.
I couldn't care less if they use drugs I just don't want them to do it on my dime. I know a ton of people on welfare use drugs and I am sick of spending my money on them. They can take a test there are very easy ones to take that you buy in the store. In oregon the bill they are trying to pass would require them to pay for the test. No it wont catch 100% but some is better than none. Anyway to get people off the public dole is fine with me. I think they should also not give support unless a Father can be named. Many leave him off the birth certificate solely for the purpose of not claiming his income. Also if you are on welfare and have another child you should get NO increase in support. They are costing the public money by being on welfare and then costing it again by supporting the drug culture and all the crime that entails which results in police activity and jail costs. I would love to eliminate it all together and say if people need food they would need to come in and get a standard basket with rice and beans. I see them buying prime steaks in the store. They spend way more than they need. I budget and buy store brands and many of them don't even look at the price of things they just buy whatever they feel like eating. We give them no reason to get off welfare since they have it so good on it. Don't tell me I don't know what I am talking about because I have seen the abuse in the families of kids in my school. They are on Free lunch, and breakfast, get food stamps and monetary help and have computers with internet, cell phones, cars that are better then mine at times. So many are scamming the system, it is draining us dry.
i wasn't going to post here anymore but after reading this whole debate i just can't take it anymore, as this debate is usless and so naive , first of all the only time a person can be in the room where a urinalysis is being performed (pee'n in the cup) under law is after you have been Convicted of a crime and you are on parole or probation, (then they can watch you) otherwise (for jobs or DHS welfare) all they can do is make you empty your pockets and lift your pant legs up , so all it takes is a 20$ bottle of synthetic pee (that comes with 6 hr. warmer keeps it btween 90 & 100 has the thermometer right on the bottle so u know) that u keep right in your panties or shorts.
There is also products that are powders that heat up when mixed with distilled water that are synthetic pee that mimic female or male pee, the ppl that carry these are mostly hazmat drivers or crane operators , that get randoms. so all they do is carry a bit of distilled water all the time.
The reason I know this is because I have seen this go on since they started this thing called drug testing, which is a big f'n joke, all it does is give companys a lower insurance rate under the guise of "drug free work places" , I have worked many jobs in many states, from factory to steel mill to industrial gas, and believe me there are no drug free work places.
most ppl I know were covering evening pot use, some on the job to though, but i have also seen hazmat driver's and others in real dangerous jobs covering speed use, and most currently oxy, and opiate use, alot of it had to do with geagraphics, and the changing times, (oxy is overtaking speed it seems.)
My point is its to easy to pass urine drug test, and does anybody really think they are going to make welfare moms take blood tests for anything other than post pregnancy test w/out evidence of drug usage.
There is also products that are powders that heat up when mixed with distilled water that are synthetic pee that mimic female or male pee, the ppl that carry these are mostly hazmat drivers or crane operators , that get randoms. so all they do is carry a bit of distilled water all the time.
The reason I know this is because I have seen this go on since they started this thing called drug testing, which is a big f'n joke, all it does is give companys a lower insurance rate under the guise of "drug free work places" , I have worked many jobs in many states, from factory to steel mill to industrial gas, and believe me there are no drug free work places.
most ppl I know were covering evening pot use, some on the job to though, but i have also seen hazmat driver's and others in real dangerous jobs covering speed use, and most currently oxy, and opiate use, alot of it had to do with geagraphics, and the changing times, (oxy is overtaking speed it seems.)
My point is its to easy to pass urine drug test, and does anybody really think they are going to make welfare moms take blood tests for anything other than post pregnancy test w/out evidence of drug usage.
But isn't it a bit illogical to make a move that costs the taxpayers more money? Would you not prefer a solution that actually saved money? Or is it just that all drug users are evil people and should go to jail? Sorry, but this doesn't make any sense to me. I can't figure out what part is bothering people. To me, its the strain on the system, so I would like a solution that gets people off without it costing more. But I am beginning to sense that it's more about people using drugs..if so, that's sad. Addiction is a horrible illness and I would not wish it on anyone. I am sure all the wonderful people over on the addiction communities who are fighting so very hard to beat it might feel a bit hurt by some of this. Sorry, but had to say that. Addicts are still real live human beings, and I think only those who are perfect can judge them.
At the end of the day, just cutting anyone off of welfare is not saving a dime. I am not certain why that is so hard to get across.
At the end of the day, just cutting anyone off of welfare is not saving a dime. I am not certain why that is so hard to get across.
They want to do it here and make the people pay for their own tests! I LOVE IT!! I don't want my hard earned money going to people who sit around and abuse the system. They are paying to create more of the drug culture in our town. Screw them. If they are on drugs take their kids. Put em in jail. whatever... maybe it will make people stay off em if they want a free ride. Or not apply if they are going to use drugs. So many are ripping off the system anyway and dont even need the help just don't put dads on birth certificates and stuff.. If they really need the help they should not have enough money to buy drugs anyway.
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