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Michigan "Right to Work" Bill
Snippets from the article:
"LANSING (WWJ) - Ahead of a historic vote in Lansing on legislation that would make Michigan the nation’s 24th right-to-work state, Governor Rick Snyder told WWJ Newsradio 950 it’s all about freedom of choice for workers and bringing new jobs to the state.
Speaking live on-air Tuesday morning, Snyder said the Senate will pass the legislation and he plans to sign it when it reaches his desk.
“I believe it will pass. The house will take up two bills, one for the public sector and one for the private sector, and they should pass those bills today. The bills likely wouldn’t arrive at my desk until the following day,” he said."
"The bottom line in passing the legislation, Snyder said, is giving workers the opportunity to join a union and pay any associated dues if they please, instead of forcing workers to pay union dues as a condition for employment.
“The point here is to give workers a choice, it’s their freedom to choose. And I encourage unions to be very proactive as to presenting the right value case as to why it’s good to join and when they do, I would expect that people do join… That’s the main point here is worker choice, freedom to choose,” he said. “It’s good for workers to have a choice. They can decide if they see value or not and should their dollars go to the union or not based on seeing that value.”
Snyder said research shows that right-to-work laws have brought new and better jobs in states where they’re enacted."
http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/12/11/gov-snyder-right-to-work-will-pass-give-workers-freedom-of-choice/
This is a wonderful thing. Let the employee choose whether or not they want to be in the union. It shouldn't be mandatory. Of course, there are big protests, which I don't really get...the unions are still free to do what they do, only they can't force workers to join.
"LANSING (WWJ) - Ahead of a historic vote in Lansing on legislation that would make Michigan the nation’s 24th right-to-work state, Governor Rick Snyder told WWJ Newsradio 950 it’s all about freedom of choice for workers and bringing new jobs to the state.
Speaking live on-air Tuesday morning, Snyder said the Senate will pass the legislation and he plans to sign it when it reaches his desk.
“I believe it will pass. The house will take up two bills, one for the public sector and one for the private sector, and they should pass those bills today. The bills likely wouldn’t arrive at my desk until the following day,” he said."
"The bottom line in passing the legislation, Snyder said, is giving workers the opportunity to join a union and pay any associated dues if they please, instead of forcing workers to pay union dues as a condition for employment.
“The point here is to give workers a choice, it’s their freedom to choose. And I encourage unions to be very proactive as to presenting the right value case as to why it’s good to join and when they do, I would expect that people do join… That’s the main point here is worker choice, freedom to choose,” he said. “It’s good for workers to have a choice. They can decide if they see value or not and should their dollars go to the union or not based on seeing that value.”
Snyder said research shows that right-to-work laws have brought new and better jobs in states where they’re enacted."
http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/12/11/gov-snyder-right-to-work-will-pass-give-workers-freedom-of-choice/
This is a wonderful thing. Let the employee choose whether or not they want to be in the union. It shouldn't be mandatory. Of course, there are big protests, which I don't really get...the unions are still free to do what they do, only they can't force workers to join.
I'm not on the far right but do not care if unions go to the wayside.
Anyway, glad there is a law that says I don't have to join a union. I don't think that if someone has no choice in what a union does such as their pay being included in negotiated deals for all in a job should have to pay the union for it. Maybe someone feels like it is of benefit to the place they work to NOT get a pay raise and they are worried about lay offs, etc. But the union plunges ahead and raises are given. The employee had no choice in what the union did, they shouldn't have to pay a fee for it.
My opinion, any way.
Anyway, glad there is a law that says I don't have to join a union. I don't think that if someone has no choice in what a union does such as their pay being included in negotiated deals for all in a job should have to pay the union for it. Maybe someone feels like it is of benefit to the place they work to NOT get a pay raise and they are worried about lay offs, etc. But the union plunges ahead and raises are given. The employee had no choice in what the union did, they shouldn't have to pay a fee for it.
My opinion, any way.
I don't get it either. Everyone is in an uproar about people wanting to get rid of unions, and how wrong it is...fine. This isn't getting rid of unions, it's giving people a choice. Win-win.
There's a lot of double standards in play here.
Why should people be forced to join a union if they don't want it? If people do, it will still be an option for them. Right now, if someone didn't want any part of a union, certain jobs would be off limits...with this kind of set up, anyone could go after the job.
Someting like this doesn't need a ballot. Nothing it being taken away...instead a choice is being offered. Either an employee joins the union, or they don't. Where is the problem? Lots of other states are "right to work".
They should all be legislated out of existence. .
I actually agree with you, el...but in the sake of fairness, this is a nice option where people aren't forced to join a union when they would rather not...and yet, it's still not good. Don't understand that.
Is not having to join and pain a union a strong arm tactic? .
Of course it is, basically.
I just REALLY don't understand the opposition to this. If anything, it's a perfect solution....people can choose whether or not they join a union...and unions can continue doing what they do for those who decide to join.
In a union, you are obligated to pay union dues. Right to work means that you can have a choice to pay union dues or not. (Even with union representation, if you enter into litigation with your employer, it is very common to incur costs for lawyers.)
Well said brice.
This is also a good way to take some of the abused power away from the unions, too. Maybe they'll start doing what they're SUPPOSED to do if they know people aren't REQUIRED to join. Maybe they would think twice about backing employees who think it's ok to drink and get high on their breaks. The unions will actually have to sell people on joining, rather than just handing them the contract and taking their money.
It will bring accountability, and that's a good thing.
There's a lot of double standards in play here.
Why should people be forced to join a union if they don't want it? If people do, it will still be an option for them. Right now, if someone didn't want any part of a union, certain jobs would be off limits...with this kind of set up, anyone could go after the job.
Someting like this doesn't need a ballot. Nothing it being taken away...instead a choice is being offered. Either an employee joins the union, or they don't. Where is the problem? Lots of other states are "right to work".
They should all be legislated out of existence. .
I actually agree with you, el...but in the sake of fairness, this is a nice option where people aren't forced to join a union when they would rather not...and yet, it's still not good. Don't understand that.
Is not having to join and pain a union a strong arm tactic? .
Of course it is, basically.
I just REALLY don't understand the opposition to this. If anything, it's a perfect solution....people can choose whether or not they join a union...and unions can continue doing what they do for those who decide to join.
In a union, you are obligated to pay union dues. Right to work means that you can have a choice to pay union dues or not. (Even with union representation, if you enter into litigation with your employer, it is very common to incur costs for lawyers.)
Well said brice.
This is also a good way to take some of the abused power away from the unions, too. Maybe they'll start doing what they're SUPPOSED to do if they know people aren't REQUIRED to join. Maybe they would think twice about backing employees who think it's ok to drink and get high on their breaks. The unions will actually have to sell people on joining, rather than just handing them the contract and taking their money.
It will bring accountability, and that's a good thing.
This is an attempt by the far right to get rid of unions altogether, it isn't about choice.
Thousands of people are protesting in Michigan, not politicians, but the populace.
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Joshua Holland explained , so-called “right to work” laws, which are being proposed in Michigan, “allows workers who choose not to join the union to take advantage of the union's representation without chipping in to cover the costs. And that effectively defunds the union.”
Salon’s Josh Eidelson explains further :
“Contrary to much rhetoric – and some reporting – U.S. law already prevents workers from being required to join a union or pay dues, per se. The issue is whether non-members, whom the union is still legally required to negotiate for and represent at work, can be required to pay representation fees.”
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/michigan-house-approves-anti-union-bill-massive-protests-erupt
Thousands of people are protesting in Michigan, not politicians, but the populace.
* *
Joshua Holland explained , so-called “right to work” laws, which are being proposed in Michigan, “allows workers who choose not to join the union to take advantage of the union's representation without chipping in to cover the costs. And that effectively defunds the union.”
Salon’s Josh Eidelson explains further :
“Contrary to much rhetoric – and some reporting – U.S. law already prevents workers from being required to join a union or pay dues, per se. The issue is whether non-members, whom the union is still legally required to negotiate for and represent at work, can be required to pay representation fees.”
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/michigan-house-approves-anti-union-bill-massive-protests-erupt
Oh yes, I'm a propaganda machine. LOL Yeesh. It's a simple question and I haven't really talked about Michigan at all but am just asking a question in reference to the subject matter. You do not have to answer if it is upsetting. :>)
I give up. Propaganda has won. Im done
So, are you saying it is not a good idea to have a choice when going to work for a company whether or not you join the union?
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