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crazy
hello, i think there is something wrong with me!
i see very strange things, i hear little girls whisper my name in my ears, and i feel cold hands rub my back when i know there is nothing there! , what is wrong with me? why is this happening?, can i get help or medication for this.
and i know this sounds crazy but nobody believes me, and i know there is something wrong, please help me !!!
i see very strange things, i hear little girls whisper my name in my ears, and i feel cold hands rub my back when i know there is nothing there! , what is wrong with me? why is this happening?, can i get help or medication for this.
and i know this sounds crazy but nobody believes me, and i know there is something wrong, please help me !!!
I'm using my younger brothers computer and it's very sensitive.
I shouldn't be writing about hospital anyway because it's extremely triggering for me and I possibly don't need to do that to myself at this time. Maybe later and in therapy.
There is definitely a lack of common sense shown by a lot of people.
The psych ward here is built on geothermal land and when I was there parts of it were unstable.
Open? That's quite funny. I called one of my previous T's a dictator because she liked control so much and wasn't flexible. I'm not sure who was worse -her or me. There isn't a lot of room for individuality within our service. My last T was good because she came in and said what was needed and did it. At the moment the service operate a revolving door scheme. They're not interested in long term gains.
My last T was as you describe. When you start to feel more in control and less threatened it becomes easier to make the decisions that are required. Having a safe space to talk things through is crucial.
The kittens were only a few hours old -much too young to adopt out. The cat had been de-sexed too. I'm adverse to a lot of stuff that goes on here. When our neighbors turkeys come onto our place dad will rip the heads of the little ones. It's really gross. I understand because birds carry diseases, but ... it's not very humane.
Ciprimil was OK but I'm not ready to make a commitment to medication. My GP has given me some lorazepam and sleeping tablets (that for for the stress of the breast surgery, etc). I was going to ask for some more yesterday but after he tells me he thinks my risk has increased substantially I didn't think it such a good idea. I think we still have some issues around trust with medication. I didn't want to push my luck or make him feel uncomfortable.
I'm not very computer literate. This stuff is certainly more appropriate said in private as opposed to public.
J
I shouldn't be writing about hospital anyway because it's extremely triggering for me and I possibly don't need to do that to myself at this time. Maybe later and in therapy.
There is definitely a lack of common sense shown by a lot of people.
The psych ward here is built on geothermal land and when I was there parts of it were unstable.
Open? That's quite funny. I called one of my previous T's a dictator because she liked control so much and wasn't flexible. I'm not sure who was worse -her or me. There isn't a lot of room for individuality within our service. My last T was good because she came in and said what was needed and did it. At the moment the service operate a revolving door scheme. They're not interested in long term gains.
My last T was as you describe. When you start to feel more in control and less threatened it becomes easier to make the decisions that are required. Having a safe space to talk things through is crucial.
The kittens were only a few hours old -much too young to adopt out. The cat had been de-sexed too. I'm adverse to a lot of stuff that goes on here. When our neighbors turkeys come onto our place dad will rip the heads of the little ones. It's really gross. I understand because birds carry diseases, but ... it's not very humane.
Ciprimil was OK but I'm not ready to make a commitment to medication. My GP has given me some lorazepam and sleeping tablets (that for for the stress of the breast surgery, etc). I was going to ask for some more yesterday but after he tells me he thinks my risk has increased substantially I didn't think it such a good idea. I think we still have some issues around trust with medication. I didn't want to push my luck or make him feel uncomfortable.
I'm not very computer literate. This stuff is certainly more appropriate said in private as opposed to public.
J
He means well and he does try to understand. It did make me feel guilty and selfish though. Not as bad as when he said even his three year old could eat healthily. That feels a bit like cutting your feet out beneath you.
The good thing is it shows he's human and makes mistakes too (and it gives us opportunities to repair our relationship).
Besides that previous T I mentioned my GP has been the best out of everybody. He's at least provided continuity of care which no one else has been able too.
My T said it was OK if I idealized him. Probably because it keeps some of my hopes and dreams alive. It will be resolved sometime, but for now its not a priority.
Hospital left me feeling very vulnerable. Probably in too many ways to list here.
I guess I was somewhat angry with myself too that I didn't run away. Legally I had to be there but ... I could have left. I felt their security was pretty lame.
With the medication I started out being very anti. After a period of time I was queuing up like everybody else. I don't really care to discuss this.
One of my labels was: non-compliant with medical regime.
I think safety did become such an issue because it was such a non-issue for me and people kept saying it was ... and then that was why I was told I needed ect. If staff quit threatening patients and actually listened to them ...
There was such a lack of freedom and choice and respect and self-responsibility. Not enough for a sick person trying to get well.
The highlights of my day were the meals (although the staff typically ate the desserts) and listening to patients recount their attempted suicide attempts. And how one had murdered a relative because he raped her. Lovely.
I don't know how they expect people to be normal when there are people bashing on the doors and the walls, when we're locked in our
The good thing is it shows he's human and makes mistakes too (and it gives us opportunities to repair our relationship).
Besides that previous T I mentioned my GP has been the best out of everybody. He's at least provided continuity of care which no one else has been able too.
My T said it was OK if I idealized him. Probably because it keeps some of my hopes and dreams alive. It will be resolved sometime, but for now its not a priority.
Hospital left me feeling very vulnerable. Probably in too many ways to list here.
I guess I was somewhat angry with myself too that I didn't run away. Legally I had to be there but ... I could have left. I felt their security was pretty lame.
With the medication I started out being very anti. After a period of time I was queuing up like everybody else. I don't really care to discuss this.
One of my labels was: non-compliant with medical regime.
I think safety did become such an issue because it was such a non-issue for me and people kept saying it was ... and then that was why I was told I needed ect. If staff quit threatening patients and actually listened to them ...
There was such a lack of freedom and choice and respect and self-responsibility. Not enough for a sick person trying to get well.
The highlights of my day were the meals (although the staff typically ate the desserts) and listening to patients recount their attempted suicide attempts. And how one had murdered a relative because he raped her. Lovely.
I don't know how they expect people to be normal when there are people bashing on the doors and the walls, when we're locked in our
I'm glad about that. But don't you just hate that...it could be so much worse so be happy that, that's not what you have phrase.
It drives me crazy because it invalidates peoples feelings and what they're going through and also invokes internal guilt about the way you feel about what your going through and now having had to comapsre it to someone else.
I won't say it drives me crazy, I'll infact say that I think it's completely unprofessional and innapropriate..a bit damaging when a doctor,therapist is treating you.
If my NP ever said that to me I would get up and walk out and find myself a new prescriber because it would clue mw into the way she see's the people she treats and that she compares pain and situations to others. If that wasn't your GP I would be suggesting you find a new doc. But he's not a psycdoc, he's a general practitioner and they're not trained to treat psychiatric issues.
I think SOME of it is transference of how you view yourself when it comes to taking meds but as you described further I can see that it also has to do with your experiences with the prescribers or psychiatrists (I don't know what kind of professionals you were seeing at the time).
Being in the hospital can be a very frightning experience as you have no control over any decisions about your own care. If they want you on something and you refuse that's seen as being non-compliant and they will find a way to make you take it or put you in a quite room until you decide to take it.
(actaully that's what happened to my sister all the time). Like I said you remind me of her in some ways. And def anti-meds, my sister was. And she would feel very out of control in the hospital when it came to what meds they wanted her on and she refused to take them and they basically found a way to make her eventually.
It can be an experience that leave you feeling extreamly out of control of your own treatment and decision making. Which od course is the point so you don't end up hurting yourself. And you have to be thankful for that when you realize ending your life wasn't what you really wanted to do.
But some hospitals are better than others. Our local hospital psych until is very good. But compared to the state hospital she was in, my gosh that place was absolutly awful. They didn't have enough room in the units so they put her with teh criminally insane. People who have murdered and raped people and obviously in court pleaded insanity, or th ejudge found it to be appropriate that they go to state hospital instead of jail.
But to put a young woman of 19 years old who has been abused and raped in a situation with those who have abused others and raped. Well, I was appauled. And they couldn't figgure out why she was getting so much worse>??? Hello..
Anyway. from all you've said I would go out on a limb to say you would work well with a psych who was very open to letting you have control of your treatment instead of just deciding what your going to take.
And there are many psycdocs that take the patients opinions and prefrences into consideration.
I've gotten lucky and had three of those kinds. I have control issues when it comes to meds because of my pill phobia. And theer are certain things I'm not willing to take. And so they would ask me what I think would be appropriate and if it was a med that is used to treat what we were treating then that's what they would precribe me. And when I came in and said...I don't feel comfortable on this, or I don't like the side effects pr whatever the case was. They would sit down with me and we would talk about what other options they're were and what I would like to try.
They would also give me room when I was afraid of a med and didn't take it to decide when I was ready to start it.
There are tons of docs like that, that let you be apart of your own treatment and don't force you to take things. In te beginning I refused to take anything but my psyc still saw mw and would ask if I was ready and finally I was. But only because they had allowed me to have alot of control over my treatment which is what I needed.
Even my NP now, I call when I feel I need to see her and she has not forced me to take anything and hastaken all my feelings about meds into consideration and helps me find things that I'm comfortable with. And in the case where I started having flashbacks of my abuse and needed an anti-anxiety and didn't want to take it. She still gave them to me and let me decide what I was going to do and even though she wanted me to take xanac four times a day and I only felt comfortable taking it twice or on a bad terrible day three times a day. She would be fine with that.
I think you would do better in that kind of enviorment where taking medication isn't a forced subject but more of a joint decision and someone who will work with how you feel and give you the room you need to have some control over your own treatment.
After all, It is your body and your life and in MHO, that's what needs to happen in treatment. The patient having alot of control as it helps them feel more at ease and actually benefits teh treatment process.
But maybe I'm wrong and maybe at this point you truely can't take a med. But I think if your not on anything you should at least give something a try. Just to see. You know that once you start something it doesn't mean you have to stay on it forever. Of course you do.
I'm sorry you were having a bad day/night. It must have felt really bad to have your father drown those babies...at least when you weren't as tired and got some rest. I dob't think I could stand that.
Is there no animal shelters in your area? Or any other way? Tons of people stand infront of the grocery and give their kittens or puppys away to whoever wants them. Though I haven't seen anyone do that in a long time so maybe they enforced some sort of county law that says you aren't allowed to do that anymore.
Anyway. Make sure to take care of yourself and get enough sleep. You don't want to be like me...never sleeping properly and living in a state of exhaustion. It doesn't help with making good decisions, that's for sure!
You know what a good AD is, celexa. Have you ever tried it? At higher doses at helps with anxiety also like most of the nwe SD's do. But it's a very gental AD when you start off really low.
I have alays refused to take an AD because depression was never an issue for me until recently. And it has few side effects(infact I've felt none) and it does actually help.
I used to be so afraid of teh dark, really petrefied and now I prefer to sleep with the lights off (my PTSD isn't acting up) even taking my ambien I could never even think about turning off the lights and we use ambien to help me not be afraid to go to sleep(I don't know the effects of the med help me feel less afraid I guess because it is related to the bezo family and plugs into those receptors).
Anyway it helpped me alot.
Hope your okay. I feel like we rarely get to talk anymore!!!
You know you can always PM me if you ever want to talk or feel unsafe or anything. I've had a few breakdowns here while working on my abuse and when I start to feel unsafe and really badly I PM one of my friends and it really helps, alot. I've gone from suicidal to feeling safe just from confididng in someone who cares about me.
Anyway, offers always open.
Amph
It drives me crazy because it invalidates peoples feelings and what they're going through and also invokes internal guilt about the way you feel about what your going through and now having had to comapsre it to someone else.
I won't say it drives me crazy, I'll infact say that I think it's completely unprofessional and innapropriate..a bit damaging when a doctor,therapist is treating you.
If my NP ever said that to me I would get up and walk out and find myself a new prescriber because it would clue mw into the way she see's the people she treats and that she compares pain and situations to others. If that wasn't your GP I would be suggesting you find a new doc. But he's not a psycdoc, he's a general practitioner and they're not trained to treat psychiatric issues.
I think SOME of it is transference of how you view yourself when it comes to taking meds but as you described further I can see that it also has to do with your experiences with the prescribers or psychiatrists (I don't know what kind of professionals you were seeing at the time).
Being in the hospital can be a very frightning experience as you have no control over any decisions about your own care. If they want you on something and you refuse that's seen as being non-compliant and they will find a way to make you take it or put you in a quite room until you decide to take it.
(actaully that's what happened to my sister all the time). Like I said you remind me of her in some ways. And def anti-meds, my sister was. And she would feel very out of control in the hospital when it came to what meds they wanted her on and she refused to take them and they basically found a way to make her eventually.
It can be an experience that leave you feeling extreamly out of control of your own treatment and decision making. Which od course is the point so you don't end up hurting yourself. And you have to be thankful for that when you realize ending your life wasn't what you really wanted to do.
But some hospitals are better than others. Our local hospital psych until is very good. But compared to the state hospital she was in, my gosh that place was absolutly awful. They didn't have enough room in the units so they put her with teh criminally insane. People who have murdered and raped people and obviously in court pleaded insanity, or th ejudge found it to be appropriate that they go to state hospital instead of jail.
But to put a young woman of 19 years old who has been abused and raped in a situation with those who have abused others and raped. Well, I was appauled. And they couldn't figgure out why she was getting so much worse>??? Hello..
Anyway. from all you've said I would go out on a limb to say you would work well with a psych who was very open to letting you have control of your treatment instead of just deciding what your going to take.
And there are many psycdocs that take the patients opinions and prefrences into consideration.
I've gotten lucky and had three of those kinds. I have control issues when it comes to meds because of my pill phobia. And theer are certain things I'm not willing to take. And so they would ask me what I think would be appropriate and if it was a med that is used to treat what we were treating then that's what they would precribe me. And when I came in and said...I don't feel comfortable on this, or I don't like the side effects pr whatever the case was. They would sit down with me and we would talk about what other options they're were and what I would like to try.
They would also give me room when I was afraid of a med and didn't take it to decide when I was ready to start it.
There are tons of docs like that, that let you be apart of your own treatment and don't force you to take things. In te beginning I refused to take anything but my psyc still saw mw and would ask if I was ready and finally I was. But only because they had allowed me to have alot of control over my treatment which is what I needed.
Even my NP now, I call when I feel I need to see her and she has not forced me to take anything and hastaken all my feelings about meds into consideration and helps me find things that I'm comfortable with. And in the case where I started having flashbacks of my abuse and needed an anti-anxiety and didn't want to take it. She still gave them to me and let me decide what I was going to do and even though she wanted me to take xanac four times a day and I only felt comfortable taking it twice or on a bad terrible day three times a day. She would be fine with that.
I think you would do better in that kind of enviorment where taking medication isn't a forced subject but more of a joint decision and someone who will work with how you feel and give you the room you need to have some control over your own treatment.
After all, It is your body and your life and in MHO, that's what needs to happen in treatment. The patient having alot of control as it helps them feel more at ease and actually benefits teh treatment process.
But maybe I'm wrong and maybe at this point you truely can't take a med. But I think if your not on anything you should at least give something a try. Just to see. You know that once you start something it doesn't mean you have to stay on it forever. Of course you do.
I'm sorry you were having a bad day/night. It must have felt really bad to have your father drown those babies...at least when you weren't as tired and got some rest. I dob't think I could stand that.
Is there no animal shelters in your area? Or any other way? Tons of people stand infront of the grocery and give their kittens or puppys away to whoever wants them. Though I haven't seen anyone do that in a long time so maybe they enforced some sort of county law that says you aren't allowed to do that anymore.
Anyway. Make sure to take care of yourself and get enough sleep. You don't want to be like me...never sleeping properly and living in a state of exhaustion. It doesn't help with making good decisions, that's for sure!
You know what a good AD is, celexa. Have you ever tried it? At higher doses at helps with anxiety also like most of the nwe SD's do. But it's a very gental AD when you start off really low.
I have alays refused to take an AD because depression was never an issue for me until recently. And it has few side effects(infact I've felt none) and it does actually help.
I used to be so afraid of teh dark, really petrefied and now I prefer to sleep with the lights off (my PTSD isn't acting up) even taking my ambien I could never even think about turning off the lights and we use ambien to help me not be afraid to go to sleep(I don't know the effects of the med help me feel less afraid I guess because it is related to the bezo family and plugs into those receptors).
Anyway it helpped me alot.
Hope your okay. I feel like we rarely get to talk anymore!!!
You know you can always PM me if you ever want to talk or feel unsafe or anything. I've had a few breakdowns here while working on my abuse and when I start to feel unsafe and really badly I PM one of my friends and it really helps, alot. I've gone from suicidal to feeling safe just from confididng in someone who cares about me.
Anyway, offers always open.
Amph
My view of taking medication?
Can everything be viewed as a transference?
I didn't make it very clear did I that some thoughts were based on personal experience while others were just general observations.
I flip flop. It is a bit like tossing a coin. Sometimes it lands on heads, sometimes tails. When I was first diagnosed with depression I was adamant I didn't want to take medication. I took it to mean that I was a huge failure as a person. Felt a failure/ are a failure -I didn't distinguish between the two. I competed at a high level in sport too so I was very conscious about drugs. I doubt anti-depressants feature on the list of banned substances. And if they were a medical certificate probably would have sufficed. Ultimately I guess, I felt taking medication would make me feel powerless. I'm not very flexible, although I am improving, but I like to feel in control.
Then there were issues such as:
-take medication or we'll section you. Fine, give me the script. [Stupid, naive doctor]
-months later when I was sectioned I was still anti-meds so was restrained and forced to take meds until I became compliant.
-I felt bad in hospital and on meds and consequently became very unwell.
-comments about by law I had to see a CMHN and take meds
-excess medication issues.
There is still at times a lot of resentment towards medication and its enforcers.
There is a saying in mental health that you either become bitter or better.
If I were taking medication, then yes, I would feel more vulnerable. Taking psych meds would make me feel weaker. More faulty and broken somehow.
Meds are possibly only slightly more dangerous than a psych label.
I don't judge others taking them, just myself.
I think treatments entail a degree of personal preference. I respect that people make the best decisions for themselves based on their circumstances and the information they have at the time. It would be insulting to imply that we know someone better.
I admire people who do what is needed to resolve issues.
That was pretty judgmental of me, wasn't it? My preference would be that I get help from people who are perfect. That ties in with my good/ bad internal world. Any bad use to just absolutely devastate me. A perfect person or T I expect would be extremely boring. I imagine there would be much more to learn from someone who is fallible. I was shocked when my GP told me he makes mistakes too.
I believe mental health is everything (and impacts on everything).
Sounds a bit like my GP, he seems quite transparent. He still has boundaries though and self-discloses appropriately.
I haven't had a huge degree of confidence in psychiatrists, but I am learning to respect them (or some of them at least).
In a similar vein to the one that was posted I wonder how doctors can administer ect.
I think I would put my tinted glasses back on and see the world differently for a bit until I was ready to accept reality.
I expect I would interpret the situation as her doing the best she could with what she had at the time.
I think a certain amount of personal information is good because it helps normalize things, but there should be limits.
I'm exhausted. And our cat is driving me nuts. Dad drowned its babies this morning before they (he and mum) left to stay with my sister for the night. I hate it when animals die or are killed but I'm too tired to care.
I just had this really horrible thought about putting a piece of sleeping tablet in some milk for it.
It's been a bad day. I saw my GP and that was surprisingly stressful. For about the first time ever the second question he asked was about safety. It hit too close to home and I became defensive about describing stuff. He said he's on leave next week and didn't want me hurting myself then. I said it was more likely this week. I don't think he heard that bit though. My whole situation is such a mess.
My GP would take action if it weren't for my history with the mhs. My family complicate things a lot too. I feel stuck in the middle of everything.
I didn't think it was such a fantastic thing to be alive with all my issues but my GP thinks compared to a young girl with cerebral palsy I am very fortunate. I don't feel very lucky or blessed.
I shouldn't dis that because that is always when it bites you in the bum.
Today I am grateful for conversing with people on this forum.
J
Can everything be viewed as a transference?
I didn't make it very clear did I that some thoughts were based on personal experience while others were just general observations.
I flip flop. It is a bit like tossing a coin. Sometimes it lands on heads, sometimes tails. When I was first diagnosed with depression I was adamant I didn't want to take medication. I took it to mean that I was a huge failure as a person. Felt a failure/ are a failure -I didn't distinguish between the two. I competed at a high level in sport too so I was very conscious about drugs. I doubt anti-depressants feature on the list of banned substances. And if they were a medical certificate probably would have sufficed. Ultimately I guess, I felt taking medication would make me feel powerless. I'm not very flexible, although I am improving, but I like to feel in control.
Then there were issues such as:
-take medication or we'll section you. Fine, give me the script. [Stupid, naive doctor]
-months later when I was sectioned I was still anti-meds so was restrained and forced to take meds until I became compliant.
-I felt bad in hospital and on meds and consequently became very unwell.
-comments about by law I had to see a CMHN and take meds
-excess medication issues.
There is still at times a lot of resentment towards medication and its enforcers.
There is a saying in mental health that you either become bitter or better.
If I were taking medication, then yes, I would feel more vulnerable. Taking psych meds would make me feel weaker. More faulty and broken somehow.
Meds are possibly only slightly more dangerous than a psych label.
I don't judge others taking them, just myself.
I think treatments entail a degree of personal preference. I respect that people make the best decisions for themselves based on their circumstances and the information they have at the time. It would be insulting to imply that we know someone better.
I admire people who do what is needed to resolve issues.
That was pretty judgmental of me, wasn't it? My preference would be that I get help from people who are perfect. That ties in with my good/ bad internal world. Any bad use to just absolutely devastate me. A perfect person or T I expect would be extremely boring. I imagine there would be much more to learn from someone who is fallible. I was shocked when my GP told me he makes mistakes too.
I believe mental health is everything (and impacts on everything).
Sounds a bit like my GP, he seems quite transparent. He still has boundaries though and self-discloses appropriately.
I haven't had a huge degree of confidence in psychiatrists, but I am learning to respect them (or some of them at least).
In a similar vein to the one that was posted I wonder how doctors can administer ect.
I think I would put my tinted glasses back on and see the world differently for a bit until I was ready to accept reality.
I expect I would interpret the situation as her doing the best she could with what she had at the time.
I think a certain amount of personal information is good because it helps normalize things, but there should be limits.
I'm exhausted. And our cat is driving me nuts. Dad drowned its babies this morning before they (he and mum) left to stay with my sister for the night. I hate it when animals die or are killed but I'm too tired to care.
I just had this really horrible thought about putting a piece of sleeping tablet in some milk for it.
It's been a bad day. I saw my GP and that was surprisingly stressful. For about the first time ever the second question he asked was about safety. It hit too close to home and I became defensive about describing stuff. He said he's on leave next week and didn't want me hurting myself then. I said it was more likely this week. I don't think he heard that bit though. My whole situation is such a mess.
My GP would take action if it weren't for my history with the mhs. My family complicate things a lot too. I feel stuck in the middle of everything.
I didn't think it was such a fantastic thing to be alive with all my issues but my GP thinks compared to a young girl with cerebral palsy I am very fortunate. I don't feel very lucky or blessed.
I shouldn't dis that because that is always when it bites you in the bum.
Today I am grateful for conversing with people on this forum.
J
I understand(I think). So really it's more of transferance. How you view taking medication. For example, taking any psychotropic makes you feel you are less strong than someone who isn't takeng them and more vulnerable (and your not alone in that feelings whatsoever.) Mnay people feel to take a psychotropic like an AD means they themselves cannot cope with life and are weak.
Though in reality and I think deep down you know that's not true. That taking meds is only another treatment measure to help give extra support.
And the reaosn I say that is because of the way you help people here. You don't see them as weak for taking meds..or not as far as I can see. Maybe you do and just haven't felt the need to talk about it??
But whatever the case I can see where you are coming from.
Though I can't agree or disagree with you as i was one of those that was being treated for anxiety and insomnia and taking psychotropics while providing treatment. And as far as I could see it hd no effect on my clients as the focus is never on my life or my situation as treatment is about them and what they would like to work on or change.
I defenitly understand as I said, where your coming from. But I have to maintain my belief that mental illness is so common. Many hear the word mental illness and think of schizophrenia or DID. But anxiety, sleep disorders, depresion they're all ver common and all psychatic condotions treated with therapy and sometimes psychortopic support.
IMHO, if I was to take myself out of the theraputic side and look at this soley from the perspective of my T's and NP's patient and client...one of which does disclose about her life and I'm aware that she has also had some ups and downs when ot's come to her own psychological history. It actually puts me more at ease to open up as I know this is not a person who will judge as they understand not only from professional experience and education but from life.
Same thing about my T who I saw for 5 years. I have no idea if she has kids or a family..or if she's ever experienced taking psychotropics for any reason. But the things I do know about her (as after five years you learn things about people in their reactions, opinions and how they identify with you either professionally or if it feels more of a personal understanding). But to me, she is a fantastic therapist. Right on the mark for me. So if I found out that she had for instanve BiPolar and was taking meds for it or that she is an abuse survivor and has PTSD(which I believe is not a mental illness but just a myriad of symptoms resulting from trauma)..it wouldn't change my faith in her abilities as I've experienced them already.
And at that time the two psychdocs I saw within that 5 year period were very caring, very empathetic to my feelings and what I was going through and helped me choose what I thought worked best for me).
I had alot of faith in them so the same applies.
Here's a question. Your old T. The one you feel was able to really help you. If you found out tomorrow she was diagnosed with anxiety d/o or any other psychiatric illness would you suddenly see your progress as less than because had she not had a psychiatric diagnosis maybe she would have done a better job with you?
I'm just wondering and of course I wouldn't judge you for your answer as in this case and surrounding this subject I have heard many client and patients discuss their opinions about their doctors personal lives and what not and how would that effect their treatment?
I'm not even sure my opinion comes from my having been a mental health professional..not soley anyway. I really think I'm more basing it off of imagining if those docs and T's I've seen had disclosed (which one has) how would I feel about treatment and would I see then differently or their abilities differently.
And for me, in my opinion as long as someone is taking care of their own well being and personal lives it shouldn't effect therapy or treatment. And I can't imagine a professional who wouldn't take care of their own health and well being when treating others.
But still everyone feels differently about their treatment team and what it would mean if they were to disclose certain info.
I'm just one opinion out of many, many I'm sure:)
Though in reality and I think deep down you know that's not true. That taking meds is only another treatment measure to help give extra support.
And the reaosn I say that is because of the way you help people here. You don't see them as weak for taking meds..or not as far as I can see. Maybe you do and just haven't felt the need to talk about it??
But whatever the case I can see where you are coming from.
Though I can't agree or disagree with you as i was one of those that was being treated for anxiety and insomnia and taking psychotropics while providing treatment. And as far as I could see it hd no effect on my clients as the focus is never on my life or my situation as treatment is about them and what they would like to work on or change.
I defenitly understand as I said, where your coming from. But I have to maintain my belief that mental illness is so common. Many hear the word mental illness and think of schizophrenia or DID. But anxiety, sleep disorders, depresion they're all ver common and all psychatic condotions treated with therapy and sometimes psychortopic support.
IMHO, if I was to take myself out of the theraputic side and look at this soley from the perspective of my T's and NP's patient and client...one of which does disclose about her life and I'm aware that she has also had some ups and downs when ot's come to her own psychological history. It actually puts me more at ease to open up as I know this is not a person who will judge as they understand not only from professional experience and education but from life.
Same thing about my T who I saw for 5 years. I have no idea if she has kids or a family..or if she's ever experienced taking psychotropics for any reason. But the things I do know about her (as after five years you learn things about people in their reactions, opinions and how they identify with you either professionally or if it feels more of a personal understanding). But to me, she is a fantastic therapist. Right on the mark for me. So if I found out that she had for instanve BiPolar and was taking meds for it or that she is an abuse survivor and has PTSD(which I believe is not a mental illness but just a myriad of symptoms resulting from trauma)..it wouldn't change my faith in her abilities as I've experienced them already.
And at that time the two psychdocs I saw within that 5 year period were very caring, very empathetic to my feelings and what I was going through and helped me choose what I thought worked best for me).
I had alot of faith in them so the same applies.
Here's a question. Your old T. The one you feel was able to really help you. If you found out tomorrow she was diagnosed with anxiety d/o or any other psychiatric illness would you suddenly see your progress as less than because had she not had a psychiatric diagnosis maybe she would have done a better job with you?
I'm just wondering and of course I wouldn't judge you for your answer as in this case and surrounding this subject I have heard many client and patients discuss their opinions about their doctors personal lives and what not and how would that effect their treatment?
I'm not even sure my opinion comes from my having been a mental health professional..not soley anyway. I really think I'm more basing it off of imagining if those docs and T's I've seen had disclosed (which one has) how would I feel about treatment and would I see then differently or their abilities differently.
And for me, in my opinion as long as someone is taking care of their own well being and personal lives it shouldn't effect therapy or treatment. And I can't imagine a professional who wouldn't take care of their own health and well being when treating others.
But still everyone feels differently about their treatment team and what it would mean if they were to disclose certain info.
I'm just one opinion out of many, many I'm sure:)
Hey Amph
I think sometimes when professionals (I guess more specifically doctors as they do most of the prescribing) take medication, it can influence how a patient views them.
For me early on I perceived taking medication as another barrier -something separating me from wellness. There are lots of issues there. Control. Failure.
If a doctor were to take medication that could then appear to make them vulnerable (a strength). In some people's eyes it could also make them appear weak and therefore worthy of less respect and could affect their trust in them and their ability.
It can be difficult for us to understand and tolerate when something differs from our values and beliefs.
I would have taken medication without question if it had of been appropriate to challenge my GP to a physical contest (run, bike, swim, his choice) -and he won. I would have been much more accepting of taking medication under those conditions.
Somewhere I had written that it should be mandatory to trial all medication on doctors (not very practical I know but I thought it might curb prescribing -especially if there were lots of side-effects!). Anyway, when I was in icu the doctor read this (my parents gave my diaries, etc to the doctors when I was in the psych ward) and he thought it was pretty hilarious. How embarrassing.
I would have trouble accepting therapy from someone with issues. Although everyone has issues. I guess in some cases it could be inspirational.
You're not misunderstanding (not unless I change my mind again in the next few minutes).
The simple answer is I don't understand, and if I do understand, then I don't trust the person's motives. Truthfully though, I just feel I don't understand.
I guess it is hard for me to comprehend that somebody could do something because they care and for no other selfish reason.
For a while it felt like doctors, nurses and T's only wanted to see people stuff up so that they could justify giving them ect. This was a part of the culture at the hospital at the time.
Does this help clarify?
J
I think sometimes when professionals (I guess more specifically doctors as they do most of the prescribing) take medication, it can influence how a patient views them.
For me early on I perceived taking medication as another barrier -something separating me from wellness. There are lots of issues there. Control. Failure.
If a doctor were to take medication that could then appear to make them vulnerable (a strength). In some people's eyes it could also make them appear weak and therefore worthy of less respect and could affect their trust in them and their ability.
It can be difficult for us to understand and tolerate when something differs from our values and beliefs.
I would have taken medication without question if it had of been appropriate to challenge my GP to a physical contest (run, bike, swim, his choice) -and he won. I would have been much more accepting of taking medication under those conditions.
Somewhere I had written that it should be mandatory to trial all medication on doctors (not very practical I know but I thought it might curb prescribing -especially if there were lots of side-effects!). Anyway, when I was in icu the doctor read this (my parents gave my diaries, etc to the doctors when I was in the psych ward) and he thought it was pretty hilarious. How embarrassing.
I would have trouble accepting therapy from someone with issues. Although everyone has issues. I guess in some cases it could be inspirational.
You're not misunderstanding (not unless I change my mind again in the next few minutes).
The simple answer is I don't understand, and if I do understand, then I don't trust the person's motives. Truthfully though, I just feel I don't understand.
I guess it is hard for me to comprehend that somebody could do something because they care and for no other selfish reason.
For a while it felt like doctors, nurses and T's only wanted to see people stuff up so that they could justify giving them ect. This was a part of the culture at the hospital at the time.
Does this help clarify?
J
Here's my questuion although your is an interesting one..why would it matter?
I've treated client while having a diagnosis of anxiety and insomnia and as I went to therapy myself and took medications for more help support it's not an issue at all.
But to be honest I'd have to agree with J about a doctors willingness to discuss their own personal medical history.
If a client would have ever asked about mine, I would decline as I feel it would effect the boundaries of treatment.
I will say that it;s human to have anxiety at times, feel depressed (although it may not be clinical depression but just sad, having the blues..etc).
But those professionals in the field that do have any diagnosis, or even when they don't most especially when beginning their career make sure they themselves see a therapist so that there is less chance of transferance.
But doctor, patient, psychologist...were all human. And a doctors personal history has no effect on how they treat their clients as treating someone is not about them whatsoever.
Some therapist, or usually mental health counselor or psychiatric nurse practitions will diclose and it also depends on the type of work. But in most theraputic enviorments disclosing personal information about yourself can cause transferance, stagnation in progress for the client or a lack of boundaries that need to be there for therapy to be as successful as it can be.
But this is all my personal experience and I can only talk for myself and those I know who feel the same.
Maybe the doctor is willing to share that info and feels it's appropariate here.
J- I never quite understand your feelings about a therapist or psychiatrists intentions when it comes to entering into teh field of mental health as a professional.
Am I totally missunderstanding or am I not and you'd be okay with sharing why.
I'm just interested to know and feel like I'm misunderstanding you and want to understand. But you know you don't have to explain at all:)
I've treated client while having a diagnosis of anxiety and insomnia and as I went to therapy myself and took medications for more help support it's not an issue at all.
But to be honest I'd have to agree with J about a doctors willingness to discuss their own personal medical history.
If a client would have ever asked about mine, I would decline as I feel it would effect the boundaries of treatment.
I will say that it;s human to have anxiety at times, feel depressed (although it may not be clinical depression but just sad, having the blues..etc).
But those professionals in the field that do have any diagnosis, or even when they don't most especially when beginning their career make sure they themselves see a therapist so that there is less chance of transferance.
But doctor, patient, psychologist...were all human. And a doctors personal history has no effect on how they treat their clients as treating someone is not about them whatsoever.
Some therapist, or usually mental health counselor or psychiatric nurse practitions will diclose and it also depends on the type of work. But in most theraputic enviorments disclosing personal information about yourself can cause transferance, stagnation in progress for the client or a lack of boundaries that need to be there for therapy to be as successful as it can be.
But this is all my personal experience and I can only talk for myself and those I know who feel the same.
Maybe the doctor is willing to share that info and feels it's appropariate here.
J- I never quite understand your feelings about a therapist or psychiatrists intentions when it comes to entering into teh field of mental health as a professional.
Am I totally missunderstanding or am I not and you'd be okay with sharing why.
I'm just interested to know and feel like I'm misunderstanding you and want to understand. But you know you don't have to explain at all:)
Interesting question. I don't know how happy he would be to disclose that information though.
When I saw a psychiatrist here (one of those doctors with a doctorate), he said one person in four had a mental illness.
Assuming the majority of people visiting this forum had mental health issues, statistically speaking one could almost assume he didn't.
However, I wonder about some doctors motivations for specializing. Is it suggestive of a history??
In the intro it says that Dr Gould has written a book on depression. Whether it was motivated by personal experience who knows. He obviously has a huge passion for it and for helping others.
I expect being a doctor involves a lot of ones personal resources. I expect at some time most doctors will experience some degree of depression and anxiety. I expect there are some doctors who would choose to take medication while there are others who would choose not too.
J
When I saw a psychiatrist here (one of those doctors with a doctorate), he said one person in four had a mental illness.
Assuming the majority of people visiting this forum had mental health issues, statistically speaking one could almost assume he didn't.
However, I wonder about some doctors motivations for specializing. Is it suggestive of a history??
In the intro it says that Dr Gould has written a book on depression. Whether it was motivated by personal experience who knows. He obviously has a huge passion for it and for helping others.
I expect being a doctor involves a lot of ones personal resources. I expect at some time most doctors will experience some degree of depression and anxiety. I expect there are some doctors who would choose to take medication while there are others who would choose not too.
J
Good morning doctor,
I wanted to ask you something, as a doctor have you ever experienced anxiety, depression etc and taken medications for it?
Thank you
I wanted to ask you something, as a doctor have you ever experienced anxiety, depression etc and taken medications for it?
Thank you
MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL
You need a complete workup by a psychiatrist who might also recommend a neurologist. this could be caused in several different ways.
I expect help is available.
Have you discussed this with your doctor? Do they believe you?
You need to trust your own instincts. If you don't have any luck I would think it would be appropriate to try the local hospital.
?psychic vs psychiatric
J
Have you discussed this with your doctor? Do they believe you?
You need to trust your own instincts. If you don't have any luck I would think it would be appropriate to try the local hospital.
?psychic vs psychiatric
J
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