This from http://campother.blogspot.com/2012/03/why-arent-persisting-spirochetes-enough.html
---- a Creative Commons article.
[I'm interested in plasmids because my spinal tap fortunately (!) showed the existence of plasmids. Interestingly I showed a cardiac doctor the results of my LP, who denied I had Lyme, said he didn't know what a plasmid was! LOL One more doctor numbnuts.
On the heels of Embers et al having published their statement on PLoSONE, a number of patients are already questioning its content.
Some are claiming that Embers et al statement about how their findings should not be used to oppose current IDSA treatment guidelines for Lyme disease is something they were asked to write - rather than something the authors included on their own.
I don't know. For this claim - whether it's true or not - I have no evidence. However, one thing I do know is that there are solid scientific reasons which back the need for more research on spirochetes which survive after prolonged antibiotic treatment.
The question, of course, which weighs heavily on every patient's mind has been this one:
Why aren't persisting spirochetes enough evidence of infection?
It's become a political hot button question, and it's a scientific question. But most people think that as long as the spirochetes Embers found are alive and metabolically active, that is enough evidence to state that yes, Lyme disease is a chronic infection - let's stop all this nonsense right now and change the treatment guidelines!
Given my own experience and how longer than standard treatment helped me improve, I totally get this. I've been there, done that - and I think that a standard course of antibiotic treatment does not work for everyone. Particularly if there is a delay in proper diagnosis and treatment. Particularly if a coinfection is present. Particularly if there is some abnormality in one's immune system.
But if you are a scientist and you are researching this phenomenon of persistence - whether you as a scientist suspect these spirochetes can cause persisting infection or not; whether the above claim by other patients is true or not - you will be called upon by other scientists to support your findings.
It isn't just going to be the IDSA or the ALDF or other organizations which deny the possibility of persistent infection as a cause of chronic Lyme disease which are going to want to know the outcome of your study.
It's going to be the American Society for Microbiology (ASM) that wants to know the outcome. It's going to be researchers in Europe like the Brorsons who study the "cyst" form of Borrelia burgdorferi and want confirmation of their own findings about persistence.
It's also going to be universities and health departments and many different organizations which may not have any particular position on whether or not Lyme disease can be chronic who will want to know the outcome of your study.
They're all going to want to know the outcome of a study such as Embers et al, so these researchers must be certain about what they found and its significance, and conduct additional research related to their findings in order to confirm them.
They must find evidence that no one can argue against - even the most skeptical - if they are to support their own hypotheses. And it may be that at this stage they genuinely do not know what to make of these persistent spirochetes and not only their ability to cause disease - but how they cause it.
I can easily imagine that Embers et al is being very cautious about the interpretation of their results and wanting further studies as easily as it is for other people to imagine that Embers at al were somehow instructed to downplay the significance of their spirochetes surviving antibiotic treatment.
Spirochetes which lose lp28-1 plasmids will still live for a while - but the immune system tends to mop them up in a few weeks without antibiotic usage.
Specific research on mutant spirochetes with a lack of the lp28-1 plasmid has shown the following:
"While the wild-type B. burgdorferi persisted in tissues for the duration of the study, the lp28-1− mutant began clearing at day 8, with no detectable bacteria present by day 18. As expected, the wild-type strain persisted in C3H/HeN mice despite a strong humoral response; however, the lp28-1− mutant was cleared coincidently with the development of a modest immunoglobulin M response. The lp28-1− mutant was able to disseminate and persist in C3H-scid mice at a level indistinguishable from that of wild-type cells, confirming that acquired immunity was required for clearance in C3H/HeN mice. Thus, within an immunocompetent host, lp28-1-encoded proteins are not required for dissemination but are essential for persistence associated with Lyme borreliosis."
To translate the above:
Normal Bb spirochetes infected C3H/HeN (mice which are specifically bred for the ability to demonstrate joint swelling and arthritic symptoms similar to those found in the average person who gets Lyme disease) mice and these spirochetes could not be cleared by the immune system despite the fact that these mice had a strong humoral response.
However, mutant Bb spirochetes which did not contain linear plasmid 28-1 were completely cleared by these C3H/HeN mice.
What's fascinating about this study is even though the mutant Bb spirochetes lacked lp28-1, these spirochetes could still disseminate. Only in severely compromised immune deficient mice (scid mice) could the spirochetes both disseminate and persist - acquired immunity must be functional in animals infected with such mutants in order to clear the spirochetes.
So, here is one example of how you can have spirochetes which are alive and metabolically active and can even disseminate - yet they are no longer causing disease. In this instance, they were cleared by the immunocompetent mice without the use of any antibiotics within a mere 18 days. (I wish I were that lucky!)
More recently, other plasmids have been found to contribute to infectivity in mammalian hosts - such as lp36. lp36 is viewed as being another major contributor to persistent infection in mice, and spirochetes become attenuated when lp36 is removed.
Linear plasmid 28-1 and lp25 have a much longer history of their role in infectivity and pathogenicity, and they are two of the most studied linear plasmids thus far - lp28-1 the most because of its VlsE genes in strain B31.
So, keep this in mind when you think of the Embers et al study, and realize why this part of their paper on Rhesus macaques caught my attention:
"A few spirochetes grew in cultures of organ tissues collected post-mortem from each animal after > 9 weeks, but we were unable to subculture any spirochetes from either treated or untreated animals due to their slow growth. We therefore pelleted these cultures to confirm their identity and test their viability by DNA/RNA analysis. Transcription was detected in culture pellets and the tissues of treated animals, indicating that the bacteria were metabolically active (Figure 6C, D). Figure 6D shows ospA transcription detected directly in tissues harvested from treated and untreated animals. We also hypothesized that persistent spirochetes may lose linear plasmid 28-1 (lp28-1), which encodes the VlsE antigen bound by the anti-C6 antibody. Transcription of a lp28-1 gene (bbf26) was verified in organ tissue from both untreated animals and one treated animal (Figure 6D).
In the case of Embers et al study on Rhesus macaques, one antibiotic treated animal was found to have evidence of transcription of a lp28-1 gene (bbf26 - protein; purpose unknown) from a sample taken from heart tissue (Fig. 6D) and that transcription should only be able to occur if the lp28-1 plasmid is intact and functional. lp28-1 is a linear plasmid which is very specific to infection both in vitro and in vivo, whether a tick or needle inoculation is used.
In Embers study, in addition to transcription of a gene from lp28-1, OspA transcription from lp54 was found in three treated animals. OspA transcription was detected in two tissue samples taken from the bladder and one tissue sample taken from the spleen. Additional OspA transcription was found in different organs in two out of three of the same animals using organ tissue culture pellets.
Overall, this sounds interesting and points to the possibility of chronic infection after antibiotic treatment.
But if I have seemed cautiously optimistic about this study, it's because of a few factors*:
1) Only one treated animal had evidence of a infection where lp28-1 transcription was taking place - had more treated animals shown evidence of transcription on this plasmid, I would have been more excited. How long could spirochetes maintain these plasmids while being treated? What about lp25?
2) It is unknown to me if the genetic background and/or immune system of the treated Rhesus macaques somehow played a role in their inability to clear the spirochetes which remain after antibiotic treatment. (Refer to this post on HLA-DR types, read what's before and after the "=" signs, and you'll see what I mean.)
3) it is unknown to me how different the results would be if the Rhesus macaques had been infected using ticks instead of needle inoculations. It seems to make sense to me to do this study again using ticks because that mimics what happens in nature.
On the other hand, I find it very interesting that three animals showed evidence of transcription of OspA. Given how much inflammation people experience during Lyme disease - plus evidence of later stage antibody reactivity to OspA - it at least gives me pause to think about how often OspA has been a culprit for my own symptoms, directly or indirectly.
The only kind of spirochete
you don't mind getting close to.
So it's a mixed bag how I look at the results of the Embers Rhesus macaque study. I think it's a positive step in the right direction establishing what happens with spirochetes in their host after antibiotic treatment. And yet the unanswered questions for me seem related to the same unanswered questions the researchers themselves wrote in their paper.
Is There Anything Positive To Glean From Dr. Baker?
Of Dr. Baker's two major stated issues with the Embers study, the only one now left is whether or not the spirochetes which were transmitted by ticks to new hosts (xenodiagnosis) were in fact infectious. His other concern was over the use of ceftiofur in the study rather than ceftriaxone - however, the authors of the study have since posted a correction to PLoSONE stating that ceftriaxone - not ceftiofur - was used throughout the entire study.
If there are any remaining minor issues he has with the study, he has yet to share them on the Lyme Policy Wonk blog. Mostly, he seemed to reiterate his concern about these two issues and focused on the single mention of ceftiofur in the paper repeatedly.
About the most positive response I heard from Dr. Baker on that blog thus far was about his view of how Lyme disease research should be conducted:
"...I favor a multi-disciplinary approach that moves the field in a different direction, rather than solutions based on the assumed yet to be proved existence of a persistent infection that can only be cured by antibiotics. I don’t really discount such a view; rather, I feel we are neglecting other possibilities that may provide the answers we all are looking for. A case in point, would be the recent work of good friend, Armin Alaedini — who I helped support when I was at the NIH– using specimens collected by Mark Klempner as part of his clinical trial. These valuable specimens are being maintained by Mark in a specimen repository for use in just such cutting-edge research. They are available free of charge on request."
Like Pamela Weintraub, I agree that a multi-disciplinary approach to research on Lyme disease is important. And while Dr. Baker also supports a multi-disciplinary approach to research on Lyme disease and he states he doesn't discount the view of persistent infection in the above paragraph - his direct responses to patients suffering with CLD/PTLDS state that most patients are suffering from some other non-Lyme disease related condition - something I find particularly unhelpful to my situation. That and a lack of sufficient research on other treatment approaches has been an issue for ages.
In my opinion, Dr. Baker's response to the Embers Rhesus macaque study was more negative than it warranted. I wouldn't have viewed it negatively at all - I see it as a stepping stone in getting a better understanding about Lyme disease. And just because it leaves unanswered questions does not mean it was inherently flawed - which was what Dr. Baker seemed to suggest.
To quote someone else on that blog:
"My question to Dr. Baker is why don’t you and your colleagues offer some expert advice, according to your best opinions and hunches if science really has proven inadequate for your epistemic standards of validity, without having to officially disclose any sensitive data that might get you in trouble with your career, that could actually HELP these affected people lessen their pain and disability? Just disparaging some controversial or technically flawed research as being invalid does not seem helpful enough to me."
Regardless of anyone's opinion - Dr. Baker, or LLMDs, or my friends and family - researchers will be expected to provide evidence to the world that these remaining spirochetes are pathogenic. They will need to provide evidence that that they can cause infection and reproduce - even if they are already proven to be alive.
Researchers who are trying to work without bias will want to cover all the bases and check their postulates twice to be 100% certain that Borrelia burgdorferi either causes a chronic infection or it does not after standard antibiotic treatment.
The Absence of Linear Plasmid 25 or 28-1 of Borrelia burgdorferi Dramatically Alters the Kinetics of Experimental Infection via Distinct Mechanisms. Maria Labandeira-Rey, J. Seshu, and Jonathan T. Skare. Infect Immun. 2003 August; 71(8): 4608–4613. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC166013/
Correlation between plasmid content and infectivity in Borrelia burgdorferi. Purser JE, Norris SJ. Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2000 Dec 5;97(25):13865-70. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11106398
High- and low-infectivity phenotypes of clonal populations of in vitro-cultured Borrelia burgdorferi. Norris, SJ, Howell, JK, Garza, SA, Ferdows, MS, and Barbour, AG. Infect. Immun. 63:2206-2212.
Plasmid Stability during In Vitro Propagation of Borrelia burgdorferi Assessed at a Clonal Level. Dorothee Grimm, Abdallah F. Elias, Kit Tilly and Patricia A. Rosa. Infect. Immun. June 2003 vol. 71 no. 6 3138-3145 http://iai.asm.org/content/71/6/3138.full
Experimental assessment of the roles of linear plasmids lp25 and lp28-1 of Borrelia burgdorferi throughout the infectious cycle. Grimm D, Eggers CH, Caimano MJ, Tilly K, Stewart PE, Elias AF, Radolf JD, Rosa PA. Infect Immun. 2004 Oct;72(10):5938-46. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15385497
The critical role of the linear plasmid lp36 in the infectious cycle of Borrelia burgdorferi. Mollie W Jewett, Kevin Lawrence, Aaron C Bestor, Kit Tilly, Dorothee Grimm, Pamela Shaw, Mark VanRaden, Frank Gherardini, and Patricia A Rosa. Mol Microbiol. 2007 June 1; 64(5): 1358–1374. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1974800/?tool=pubmed
Basic Epidemiology. Beaglehole R, Bonita R, Kjellstrom T. World Health Organization, Geneva, Switzerland, 1993
* Factors which concern others but I did not originally think of are included in comments below.
[Edited March 9, 2012 - Removed item above about brain tissue after reviewing Embers paper again - multiple brain samples were taken; one treated animal was positive for B. burgdorferi RNA in both heart and brain.]
Copyright 1994-2017MedHelp International.All rights reserved. MedHelp is a division of Aptus Health.
The Content on this Site is presented in a summary fashion, and is intended to be used for educational and entertainment purposes only. It is not intended to be and should not be interpreted as medical advice or a diagnosis of any health or fitness problem, condition or disease; or a recommendation for a specific test, doctor, care provider, procedure, treatment plan, product, or course of action. Med Help International, Inc. is not a medical or healthcare provider and your use of this Site does not create a doctor / patient relationship. We disclaim all responsibility for the professional qualifications and licensing of, and services provided by, any physician or other health providers posting on or otherwise referred to on this Site and/or any Third Party Site. Never disregard the medical advice of your physician or health professional, or delay in seeking such advice, because of something you read on this Site. We offer this Site AS IS and without any warranties. By using this Site you agree to the following Terms and Conditions. If you think you may have a medical emergency, call your physician or 911 immediately.