Hello, I'm sorry I cannot offer concrete answers but to your specific question of whether it's possible to have loss of consciousness (LOC) and incontinence simultaneously withOUT being a seizure- yes it is possible.
I am going through diagnostics right now for similar things. I haven't had (to my knowledge) angry outbursts but I've had simultaneous LOC/incontinence, dizziness, a balloon type head pressure, pale face, sweaty hot feelings (age 35), moments of extreme confusion and disorientation, decreased focus ability, decreased exertion capacity, bad short term memory and sometimes trouble walking. Also constant tinnitus, since my LOC. Constant, but varying in volume.
I just went through an intense testing/observation with continuous EKG and EEG with video recording, and when I did have a dizzy/confused spell it was my heart that sent alarms off. So epilepsy has "90-100%" been ruled out. They told me that seizure is not the only thing thing that makes that combination of LOC/ bladder control.
I am going to a cardiologist next, and hope to get a Dr. that won't blow off my concerns.
The relationship between low oxygen levels and anger is not recognized by ninety-nine percent of physicians, but it noted by ER nurses and EMT's.
I have a theory.
When the body enters a life-threatening situation, there is survival value in verbal aggression. What I found amazing was how quickly a person's temperment could improve with oxygenation or a blood transfusion.
It is likely if she is given a "chemical stress test" where a substance is injected to stimulate the heart, the problem will be identified.
Please post back with the results.
Thank you so much for this information! We were out for Mother's Day yesterday and at first she was in incredibly pale but regained her color after about 15 minutes. However, she did have an inappropriate outburst when my brother offered her his teaspoon to eat dessert rather than having her wait for someone to bring her a fork and she yelled "I am NOT going to eat my cake with a spoon! What are you thinking?" and we were all sitting in stunned silence afterward.
I am worried about her driving however. It seems strange to me that her doctors in ER didn't tell her to not drive until this is diagnosed and under control! I have seizures and was told to not drive AT ALL until my problem was under control for a whole year! My sis in law seems to be in denial and doesn't think this is anything serious, she thinks it's hormonal! Do you not think that her driving is not appropriate until such time as they figure out what is going on?
Rena705
Sweating and nausea, followed by unconsciousness are hallmarks of cardiac ischemia. The heart isn't pumping well and is in need of oxygen. Although a siezure may develop this is not a "siezure" problem treated by seizure meds.
Losing control of bowel and bladder under such circumstances is common.
A stress test is mandatory. An EKG may or may not show abnormalities.
There is an extreme liklihood this was a cardiac event. It is consisting with angina despite absencfe of pain.
It is now up to the hospital to determine the reasons for this event. Could be a clot. Could be narrowing of the blood vessels. Could be due to damage to the pacemaker.
I'm sure they will figure it out.
Inappropriate anger is common when there is insufficient oxygen to the brain. A person in a car accident who has lost blood will punch your headlights out and curse the ER nurse, and when he is on oxygen and a blood transfusion brings his hematocrit back up he becomes "Saint Terresa". Sweet as iced-tea with maple syrup.