Proven egg quality and quantity supplements

[Ginger077]

We have been thru 3 fresh rounds of ivf and an fet. I have had a natural mc at 5 weeks and a D&C at 9 weeks because our little ones heart stopped beating. My DH would like me to try another fresh cycle. I was taking loads of supplements and doing acupuncture these last two fresh cycles. What are the best supplements to take both for quality and quantity?  Here is a list of the ones I've been taking. Some of them are for overall health...
N Acetyl cystine 2000
Queens delight (royal jelly)
Coq10 ubiquinol 200mg
Inositol 
Omega 3 dha 
X FLM K37
Metformin pcos
Neevo DHA prenatal
Folic acid 800mcg
Floridix iron supplement
Vitamin D drops

My acupuncturists isn't a believer in DHEA but has anyone had any great luck with it or anything else.
My DH is really wanting me to try another cycle. He's never asked me this before so I may if I can get a head start on these supplements. I will have a couple months to get them into my system since I have to wait for my lining to build back up nice and strong. Thank you for any help you can offer. We are desperate to have just one baby before we gave to call it quits. You can message me anytime or I will check back here.
Thank you so much for your help!!!
Ginger

[stacey10]

I would throw maca into your list, not sure if you can take it with metoformin though as it balances your hormones naturally, it also nourishes the endochrine system, which the overies are part of, so many women who dont ovulate on their own, start doing so once on maca, I would def give maca a go and as your already on myo inositol I wouldnt go to the dhea just yet, you should give the maca at leat 45 days to work, but 2 people I have put onto maca have ovulated on there own for the first time ever within a month of taking it, it also helps with eggs as well :)

[stacey10]

Oh and maybe throw in some spirulina/wheetgrass mix as well :)

[Ecologic]

I am sorry you had these miscarriages.

I had several miscarriages. The only viable pregnancy I had -my son: I was gulping down water like crazy and eating a lot of fresh fruits and eggs in the morning when he was conceived... May have helped!

[Ginger077]

Thanks for the replies ladies
I was told to take wheatgrass and along with all the other things I take  by my acupuncturist who finally got back to me. do you ladies have any experience with these?

Ecologic I'm allergic to eggs but I did drink water like crazy every day.

My RE said the further you are along and miscarry ( I was 9 weeks it's less likely to be a genetic problem) I'm curious to know what the cause could of been now.

[Ecologic]

Well my last miscarriage last year was at 11 weeks and the baby had trisomy 18... so not sure if your RE really is right on that one!

I also miscarried twins at 7 and 8 weeks a few years ago, I do not know the reason as we did not do the genetic testing (I regret) but I tend to think they both must have had a genetic problem as well :-(

How old are you?

After 3 miscarriages, I conceived my son at 40 and he was born when I was 41...

[Ginger077]

He didn't say that genetics would be excluded but had mentioned the further along you are the chances drops as being the reason for mc. This conversation was right before my procedure.  We did elect genetic testing but who knows how long that can take?? My cousin who is my same age had genetic testing done on her mc. It showed severe downs and severe heart defect. She had a daughter a year prior who has several handicapps. With her we are unsure if it was a drug/alcohol issue or if there are just developement and mental issues unrelated. My family has no sort of problems but I can't say the same about her husbands side of the family. They are irresponsible and refuse to have genetic testing for her.
I myself have had my genetic testing come back perfect but my re puts me on meds just incase (lovenox, prednisone)
I'm 37 right now
I know he will  have more info me when we have the consultation but I want to have questions for him as well.  I had caught him off guard with my emergency, he just got back from a trip the day I needed surgery and I could tell his heart was just as broken as DH and I. We have grown a very strong relationship with this man.

[Ginger077]

I have another question... If the genetic testing doesn't come back with abnormal chromosomes what are the other possibilities for the demise? We heard and saw the strong heart beat a week apart from each other. Then I was cleared to see the re in two weeks which I never made it to due to hemorrhaging. I was told it passes away at 8 weeks when I was supposed to be exactly 9 weeks.

[stacey10]

sadly somteime there is no reason and everything just stops, in a way its better if they do find a genetic problem as then you have a reason, if your going to an acupuncturist, your uterine lining should be good and your uterus should be "warm" and there should be adequit blood flow to the baby as well, as for the wheatgrass, I think spirulina is better but you can buy a spirulina/wheatgrass mix and yuou can get it in powder form which you make into smoothies with banana etc, or you can get the tablets, which you need aroun 10 a day :)

[Ginger077]

I will give the spiurilina a try too.  this is the last ivf cycle we can hardly afford so I'm going to make it count. As soon as I recover from the surgery I'll be back getting treatment with the acupuncturist. My RE said I have to sit out a couple cycles and has me on meds to build my lining back up.
Thanks for all your help.

[lorimc23]

I too had a natural miscarriage at 5 weeks 7 years ago and in may a d&c at 10 weeks, baby stopped at 9 weeks, but was measuring a week behind. I had the testing done and it came back inconclusive. So I went to a RE and had them run chromosonal testing on me and my husband as well as all the other testing on me and it came back normal for chromosonal but i have prothrombin gene mutation blood disorder and i am on lovenox with this pregnancy.  We will never know for sure about the cause of the last miscarraige but im glad to have found this disorder.  
The gentic testing takes 3 weeks to get results.

[missienal]

Ginger, have you guys thought about doing PDG before your transfer?
In medicine and (clinical) genetics pre-implantation genetic diagnosis (PGD or PIGD) (also known as embryo screening) refers to procedures that are performed on embryos prior to implantation, sometimes even on oocytes prior to fertilization. PGD is considered another way to prenatal diagnosis. When used to screen for a specific genetic disease, its main advantage is that it avoids selective pregnancy termination as the method makes it highly likely that the baby will be free of the disease under consideration. PGD thus is an adjunct to assisted reproductive technology, and requires in vitro fertilization (IVF) to obtain oocytes or embryos for evaluation.

The term pre-implantation genetic screening (PGS) is used to denote procedures that do not look for a specific disease but use PGD techniques to identify embryos at risk. PGD is a poorly chosen phrase because, in medicine, to "diagnose" means to identify an illness or determine its cause. An oocyte or early-stage embryo has no symptoms of disease. They are not ill. Rather, they may have a genetic condition that could lead to disease. To "screen" means to test for anatomical, physiological, or genetic conditions in the absence of symptoms of disease. So both PGD and PGS should be referred to as types of embryo screening.

[Ginger077]

We  had genetic testing and i was on lovenox and prednisone among other things right after IVF. I'm curious to see why the baby who was doing excellent just all the sudden arrested.

[missienal]

Wow, then that is a good question! Leaves me stumped..that was the only thing I could think of. Will be interested to know what the cause was. Very sad for you. I guess the good thing will be you will find out, and have some closure, and also will have some answers for your next try. Are you guy's going to try again?

[Ginger077]

Pgd was considered last time but because of my family hx my RE didn't think it was necessary but I really wanted it done. This time there will be no option, it's the last ivf cycle we can hardly Afford after about 100K in fertility treatments along the way. We are still supposed to have the WTF consult but I don't think that's happening Monday, I think it's my post op visit only. I'm sure everything that's possible will be thorn at us to ensure a pregnancy outcome. I'm just terrified I'm going to be childless by the end of that cycle too.

[Ecologic]

You know my trisomy baby was doing great at 6 and 9 weeks, good heartbeat, all reasons to be optimistic. Then it suddendly stopped at 11 weeks.

At 37 you have very good chances to have a baby! Even with a history of miscarriages!

[Ginger077]

Well if It doesn't happen this next time we won't be having a baby. This is the last ivf cycle we can hardly scrape the money together for. It's 20k per cycle plus 7k PGD and last round of meds was 5500. This will be my 4th fresh cycle and I've had 1 frozen cycle too.
I've had 7 cash surgeries we are still paying for. This is our last try. I sure hope it works. If we were able to do it without ivf I wouldn't be as worried but it's not an option with our medical histories.

[lorimc23]

Your in my prays Ginger for a successful outcome!

[Ginger077]

Thank you everyone for all your advise. I really appreciate it more than you could possibly know.
Best wishes to all you ladies

[Ecologic]

Do you have blocked tubes or your partner has low sperm count?

I suffered from unexplained infertility for 2 full years, lost ovary function on one side as well (ovarian cyst). We did an IVF: miscarriage. Then I started to get pregnant naturally, a few more miscarriages and then a successfull pregnancy.

Unexpected things can happen sometimes! Good luck!

[Ginger077]

We both have many fertility factors but his make it completely impossible for natural conception.

[Helen72]

Ginger, I love you my friend but egg quantity and quality cannot be changed with ANY supplement.  Every woman is born with a finate number of eggs.  Unlike men who produce sperm, women do not actually produce eggs.  We are born with a limited amount and we release them one per cycle, typically.  As a woman approaches the end of her ovarian reserve, both quantity and quality decline.  When a woman is out of eggs, she enter menopause.  Unfortunately, we can't change the date when we run out of eggs since the number is fixed at birth.  I know you want to improve your chances but human biology just does not work that way.    The fact that you got pregnant twice before is a good sign.  All you need is one sticky embryo.  
(Hugs)

[Ginger077]

Thanks Helen
I know we are born with a set amount and all that. When I wasn't on all the supplements nothing happened. If its not helping the egg quality per say it's at least helping my overall health. I've been a sickly person even as a baby. I know im lucky to produce 20-21 eggs consistently at my age. Some ladies only have 5 or so. I could produce 100 and if they are no good they are useless. I am at the end of a journey I've spent 20 yrs to get to and reality is setting in that there is a great chance that it's not going to happen for us.
We will either know more with the pathology or be just as clueless as we are now.

[Ginger077]

Oh and now I've broken out in a rash with the cordyceps all over my face!! My acupuncturist wants me on it along with wheatgrass

[stacey10]

and I disagree with helen I think with certain suppliments eg, maca, inositol, royal jelly  etc you can def improve egg health otherwise ivf doctors wouldnt put ladies on them !!