Do It Anyway

[rahim28]

People are often unreasonable, illogical and self-centered;
Forgive them anyway.

If you are kind, people may accuse you
of selfish, ulterior motives;
Be kind anyway.

If you are successful, you will win some
false friends and some true enemies;
Succeed anyway.

If you are honest and frank, people may cheat you;
Be honest and frank anyway.

What you spend years building,
someone could destroy overnight;
Build anyway.

If you find serenity and happiness,
they may be jealous;
Be happy anyway.

The good you do today, people will
forget tomorrow,
Do good anyway.

Give the world the best you have, and
it may never be enough;
Give the world the best you've got ... anyway.

You see, in the final analysis, it is
between you and God,
It never was between you and them anyway..

[Rainbow_Ike]

Rahim did not ask you for a prepackaged scriptural response, but your ow gut feeling about the story of Hagar, Abraham's concubine..

Or is that forbidden?

[rahim28]

Hello dear MO
I will be thankful if you answer based on you personal believes
Did you get the Hajar's message ?

Get some rest............lol

[Myown]

Hey Rahim great questions! And there are answers from scripture that I can give you.

But I will answer the question in the Biblical Forum as soon as I can get back on MH.

Just a little busy right now..

Talk to you again:)
MO

[rahim28]

Right and
Making a partner(s) of G*d is not a fair deal at all and  won't forgive that.

[Rainbow_Ike]

I think it is expressed best in the Hebrew scriptures by Micha,

It has been told to you, Oh man
what is good
and what the Creator requires of you
Only to do good
love justice
and walk humbly with YOUR G*d.*

I was 12 when i first read that, and was impressed by the "your". A if the Prophet was saying that I got a chance to define my G*d, or at least my relationship with G*d from the many different ways which are described in the Hebrew Scriptures

I found that comforting at 12

and find it the same at 60.

Ike

(* a somewhat loose translation, to fit my liberal egalitarian beliefs, but the YOUR is in there),

[rahim28]

Hi
Now think of the following points :

- Who have the greatest value before God ?
  We don't know because we are not God
-How Jesus is going to save those who lived before him ?
-Who would save people living in uncivilized wild natural places and have no idea of Jesus ?
( remember the man's choice at any time any place )

Hajar's story :
Did you know Haj is the most important necessity of every Muslim and people are supposed to go for Haj at least once in their life time( If they are wealthy enough).  They have to do 7 times circumambulation around Kaaba ( the holy place made by Ibrahim called the house of God ) and Hajar,s grave ( very close to Kaaba ) and after that they have run back and fort  (not too fast ) 7 times between Safa and Marveh ( 2 mountains) showing the obedience of God for infinity, That was what Hajar did, disparately seeking for water to give to her new born son, Ismael and when she goes back to her son lying near the wall of Kaaba, she realizes that baby has hit the ground with his heel and a little water has come out there ( Zam Zam fountain ) .
I said all this to make my point.
The point :
The Haj is not accepted if you don't circumambulate Hajar's grave along with Kaaba ( even Ibrahim hasn't got that close ).............Why ?
An slave who has no support from nobody and secretly marries Ibrahim who is much much older than her ( about 80 years old ) and now when the baby is coming she has to tolerate all the blame by some people and leave home and go to hot desert ( like what Marya did ) and seek for water because she was told by God to do so,  She did that and when she got there, she did not just sat there in the shadow of wall and wait for God to do something for her, what she did, she stated searching for some solution, doing what she really could do, A mother who is willing to do anything to save her son,  that is why
I hope I could have made up my point now
Hugs
Rahim