Aa
is it strange for my 15 year old to play with his feces?
my son was in juvenile hall when the attendants came in and saw that he had a bowel movement and had played in it and smeared it on the wall. Is this normal behavior or signs of something wrong?
This discussion is related to My 10 year old son acting out using feces!.
This discussion is related to My 10 year old son acting out using feces!.
This is a list of the differences between ADHD and Bipolar because they are very similar:
1. Destructiveness may be seen in both disorders but differs in origin. Children who are ADHD often break things carelessly while playing (“non-angry destructiveness”), whereas the major destructiveness of children who are bipolar is not a result of carelessness but tends to occur in anger. Children who are bipolar may exhibit severe temper tantrums during which they release manic quantities of physical and emotional energy, sometimes with violence and physical property destruction. They may even exhibit openly sadistic impulses.
2. The duration and intensity of physical outbursts and temper tantrums differs in the two disorders. Children who are ADHD usually calm down in twenty to thirty minutes, whereas children who are bipolar may continue to feel and act angry for up to four hours.
3. The degree of “regression” during angry episodes is typically more severe for children who are bipolar. It is rare to see an angry child who is ADHD display disorganized thinking, language, and body position, all of which may be seen in angry bipolar children during a tantrum. Children who are bipolar may also lose memory of the tantrum.
4. The “trigger” for temper tantrums is also different. Children who have ADHD are typically triggered by sensory and emotional over stimulation, whereas children who have bipolar disorder typically react to limit-setting, such as a parental “no.”
5. The moods of children who have ADHD or bipolar disorder may change quickly, but children with ADHD do not generally show dysphoria (depression) as a predominant symptom. Irritability is particularly prominent in children who are bipolar, especially in the morning on arousal. Children with ADHD tend to arouse quickly and attain alertness within minutes, but children with mood disorders may show overly slow arousal (including several hours of irritability or dysphoria, fuzzy thinking or “cobwebs,” and somatic complaints such as stomachaches and headaches) upon awakening in the morning.
6. Disturbances during sleep in children with bipolar disorder include severe nightmares or night terrors often with themes of explicit gore and bodily mutilation.
7. Children who are bipolar often show giftedness in certain cognitive functions, especially verbal and artistic skills (perhaps with verbal precocity and punning by age two to three years).
8. The misbehavior in children with ADHD is often accidental and usually caused by oblivious inattention, whereas children with bipolar disorders intentionally provoke or misbehave. Some bipolar children are described as “the bully on the playground.”
9. The child with ADHD may engage in behavior that can lead to harmful consequences without being aware of the danger, whereas the child with bipolar disorder is risk seeking.
10. Bipolar children tend to have a strong early sexual interest and behavior.
11. Children with ADHD usually do not exhibit psychotic symptoms or reveal a loss of contact with reality, whereas children with bipolar disorder may exhibit gross distortions in the perception of reality or in the interpretation of emotional events.
12. Lithium treatment generally improves bipolar disorder but has little or no effect on ADHD
Good luck to you and your son,
Jayme
1. Destructiveness may be seen in both disorders but differs in origin. Children who are ADHD often break things carelessly while playing (“non-angry destructiveness”), whereas the major destructiveness of children who are bipolar is not a result of carelessness but tends to occur in anger. Children who are bipolar may exhibit severe temper tantrums during which they release manic quantities of physical and emotional energy, sometimes with violence and physical property destruction. They may even exhibit openly sadistic impulses.
2. The duration and intensity of physical outbursts and temper tantrums differs in the two disorders. Children who are ADHD usually calm down in twenty to thirty minutes, whereas children who are bipolar may continue to feel and act angry for up to four hours.
3. The degree of “regression” during angry episodes is typically more severe for children who are bipolar. It is rare to see an angry child who is ADHD display disorganized thinking, language, and body position, all of which may be seen in angry bipolar children during a tantrum. Children who are bipolar may also lose memory of the tantrum.
4. The “trigger” for temper tantrums is also different. Children who have ADHD are typically triggered by sensory and emotional over stimulation, whereas children who have bipolar disorder typically react to limit-setting, such as a parental “no.”
5. The moods of children who have ADHD or bipolar disorder may change quickly, but children with ADHD do not generally show dysphoria (depression) as a predominant symptom. Irritability is particularly prominent in children who are bipolar, especially in the morning on arousal. Children with ADHD tend to arouse quickly and attain alertness within minutes, but children with mood disorders may show overly slow arousal (including several hours of irritability or dysphoria, fuzzy thinking or “cobwebs,” and somatic complaints such as stomachaches and headaches) upon awakening in the morning.
6. Disturbances during sleep in children with bipolar disorder include severe nightmares or night terrors often with themes of explicit gore and bodily mutilation.
7. Children who are bipolar often show giftedness in certain cognitive functions, especially verbal and artistic skills (perhaps with verbal precocity and punning by age two to three years).
8. The misbehavior in children with ADHD is often accidental and usually caused by oblivious inattention, whereas children with bipolar disorders intentionally provoke or misbehave. Some bipolar children are described as “the bully on the playground.”
9. The child with ADHD may engage in behavior that can lead to harmful consequences without being aware of the danger, whereas the child with bipolar disorder is risk seeking.
10. Bipolar children tend to have a strong early sexual interest and behavior.
11. Children with ADHD usually do not exhibit psychotic symptoms or reveal a loss of contact with reality, whereas children with bipolar disorder may exhibit gross distortions in the perception of reality or in the interpretation of emotional events.
12. Lithium treatment generally improves bipolar disorder but has little or no effect on ADHD
Good luck to you and your son,
Jayme
I'm not a psychologist but a mom that had similar problems with my child. My son started showing signs at the age of 4, signs that appeared to me to look like he'd suffered sexual abuse. He'd hit females in the boobs or men in the groin to get attention, say things of a sexual nature and even grab women's boobs or butt in a sexual way. We changed his daycare immediately but these things didn't change but got worse. He became very very hyper, would run into walls and fall out of chairs on purpose trying to be funny, he would throw very violent temper tantrums. If a teacher called me to come get him from school we'd have to chase him around to catch him like he was scared of me. This was very embarrassing because it looked as if I was abusing him. Once I picked him up from school and the teacher told me he had an accident in the bathroom and had poo all over his shirt so they had to put him in another one. I had also noticed he was wiping poo all around the toilet seat, tank, and bowl at home. All of his day care teachers and teachers at school were suggesting he be tested for ADHD so I looked it up and sure enough he was displaying these symptoms but of a different nature.
I also knew that my son was so hyper he was hard to get to sleep at night and refused to take naps at daycare so I looked up sleep disorders and sleep deficit and the symptoms it could cause. Sleep deficit can trigger bipolar disorder. (Sleep disorders can be caused by tonsils and adenoids) Specifically a lack of sleep will put a child in a manic state and he will stay there. After being in a manic state for awhile a child will start displaying psychotic episodes (tantrums, auditory and visual hallucinations). In these episodes the child is not seeing a parent chasing him but a monster from his worst nightmare or maybe his abuser. If a person is going through something dramatic and can't handle it awake the brain will try to do help in dreams but if the person can't handle it in dreams either he will be too scared to go to sleep and will try to stay up but the body cannot handle this. My son would spin in circles and dance a lot to trigger the brain to produce chemicals to stay awake. A boxer does this before a fight too so that he will not feel the hits in the fight. My child was addicted to doing this. These chemicals act like a speed they also make a person not feel pain. A bipolar person will start cutting or self abusing themselves in this state because they don't feel anything and are abusing themselves because they think they are at fault for whats happened to them.
ADHD is usually treated with a stimulant and giving a child in a manic state a stimulant can be dangerous because his body is already too emotionally and physically tired. I didn't give my son any drugs. I took him out of daycare but left him in school. After he'd get home from school I'd make him sleep for 3 hours before doing his homework then he was back to bed within 2 hours and he'd sleep all night. I would watch him at night to make sure he wasn't dreaming anymore before I left. If I saw he was having a nightmare I'd wake him up and reassure him and lay with him longer. I'd stay awake all night and make sure he wasn't getting up because bipolar people in a manic state wake easily and this was when he was playing in his poo and doing other things with no one seeing. I'd only sleep while he was at school and when he was home I was on constant watch. He never displayed while I was watching him. It took 5 weeks to make up his sleep deficit (AND I WAS TIRED!!). When he was coming off his high from brain chemicals he had a couple of psychotic episodes that were scary. He asked me what would happen if he poked his eye. I said don't do that, a Dr couldn't fix that. He'd have to put a glass eye in and you wouldn't be able to see out of that eye. What he heard was that he was already missing his eye. He started screaming I don't want to lose my eye! This scared me but he settled down quickly and went back to sleep after reassuring him that his eye was fine and it was still there. I can't imagine the dreams he went through or why but this only lasted 2 days and he has been normal since. No hyper activity, no tantrums, no more playing in his poo (I never even asked him why or addressed this issue). He is back to only 8 hours of sleep because too much sleep will cause depression which is harder to get someone out of than mania. He acts like he doesn't remember any of it and has never opened up about any abuse. The only thing he has ever admitted to were bad dreams. I hope what ever it was he has forgotten completely. I asked him once if anyone ever touched him in appropriately at school or daycare and he said no. I have left it at that because I don't want him to create a memory that never happened or remember one that did happen. I still watch him closely for any hyperness or agitation and send him to bed right away so that he isn't producing adrenaline on purpose anymore. He will have to be watched for bipolar symptoms forever but for now he is so perfectly normal.
These are the basic symptoms of bipolar in children:
During a time of mania, children and teens may:
Feel irritable and throw violent temper tantrums.
Seem extremely happy and have high energy levels.
Touch their genitals, use sexual language, and approach others in a sexual way.
Not sleep much and go about the house late at night looking for things to do.
Talk very fast.
During a time of depression, children and teens may:
Say they feel empty, sad, bored, or down.
Complain of headaches, muscle aches, stomachaches, or fatigue.
Often spend time alone and may easily feel rejected or criticized.
Move very slowly.
I also knew that my son was so hyper he was hard to get to sleep at night and refused to take naps at daycare so I looked up sleep disorders and sleep deficit and the symptoms it could cause. Sleep deficit can trigger bipolar disorder. (Sleep disorders can be caused by tonsils and adenoids) Specifically a lack of sleep will put a child in a manic state and he will stay there. After being in a manic state for awhile a child will start displaying psychotic episodes (tantrums, auditory and visual hallucinations). In these episodes the child is not seeing a parent chasing him but a monster from his worst nightmare or maybe his abuser. If a person is going through something dramatic and can't handle it awake the brain will try to do help in dreams but if the person can't handle it in dreams either he will be too scared to go to sleep and will try to stay up but the body cannot handle this. My son would spin in circles and dance a lot to trigger the brain to produce chemicals to stay awake. A boxer does this before a fight too so that he will not feel the hits in the fight. My child was addicted to doing this. These chemicals act like a speed they also make a person not feel pain. A bipolar person will start cutting or self abusing themselves in this state because they don't feel anything and are abusing themselves because they think they are at fault for whats happened to them.
ADHD is usually treated with a stimulant and giving a child in a manic state a stimulant can be dangerous because his body is already too emotionally and physically tired. I didn't give my son any drugs. I took him out of daycare but left him in school. After he'd get home from school I'd make him sleep for 3 hours before doing his homework then he was back to bed within 2 hours and he'd sleep all night. I would watch him at night to make sure he wasn't dreaming anymore before I left. If I saw he was having a nightmare I'd wake him up and reassure him and lay with him longer. I'd stay awake all night and make sure he wasn't getting up because bipolar people in a manic state wake easily and this was when he was playing in his poo and doing other things with no one seeing. I'd only sleep while he was at school and when he was home I was on constant watch. He never displayed while I was watching him. It took 5 weeks to make up his sleep deficit (AND I WAS TIRED!!). When he was coming off his high from brain chemicals he had a couple of psychotic episodes that were scary. He asked me what would happen if he poked his eye. I said don't do that, a Dr couldn't fix that. He'd have to put a glass eye in and you wouldn't be able to see out of that eye. What he heard was that he was already missing his eye. He started screaming I don't want to lose my eye! This scared me but he settled down quickly and went back to sleep after reassuring him that his eye was fine and it was still there. I can't imagine the dreams he went through or why but this only lasted 2 days and he has been normal since. No hyper activity, no tantrums, no more playing in his poo (I never even asked him why or addressed this issue). He is back to only 8 hours of sleep because too much sleep will cause depression which is harder to get someone out of than mania. He acts like he doesn't remember any of it and has never opened up about any abuse. The only thing he has ever admitted to were bad dreams. I hope what ever it was he has forgotten completely. I asked him once if anyone ever touched him in appropriately at school or daycare and he said no. I have left it at that because I don't want him to create a memory that never happened or remember one that did happen. I still watch him closely for any hyperness or agitation and send him to bed right away so that he isn't producing adrenaline on purpose anymore. He will have to be watched for bipolar symptoms forever but for now he is so perfectly normal.
These are the basic symptoms of bipolar in children:
During a time of mania, children and teens may:
Feel irritable and throw violent temper tantrums.
Seem extremely happy and have high energy levels.
Touch their genitals, use sexual language, and approach others in a sexual way.
Not sleep much and go about the house late at night looking for things to do.
Talk very fast.
During a time of depression, children and teens may:
Say they feel empty, sad, bored, or down.
Complain of headaches, muscle aches, stomachaches, or fatigue.
Often spend time alone and may easily feel rejected or criticized.
Move very slowly.
Yes, it could be mental problems or signs of some sort of abuse that he could be going through hin there. I would have him checked immediatley.
There is definitely something not right with that situation. A 15 year old does not play in their feces unless something is wrong. This could range anywhere from emotional disorders to mental disorders. You should have him/her checked by a phsychiatrist.
I think it would be a sign of something wrong. Have the psych in the facility check him out. If a mental health issue is found to be present, the can treat it. If not, then he is so full of rage that he is willing to do something like that. Then addressing the anger would be the next step. good luck.
Have an Answer?
You are reading content posted in the Child Behavior Community
Fearing autism, many parents aren't vaccinating their kids. Can doctors reverse this dangerous trend?
Is a gluten-free diet right for you?
We answer your top questions about the flu vaccine.
Learn which over-the-counter medicines are safe for you and your baby
Yummy eats that will keep your child healthy and happy
Healing home remedies for common ailments
