Common Bond of Addiction---How

[Synderella]

Good Morning to All!


*YEAH* I finally was able to start my own thread, after trying for a week, it finally worked!!!  I really hate to interrupt another

[STC]

I don't know a whole lot about the recipe myself and am also curious about the appropriate time to start. I think I read in one post that you should start even before quitting. If anyone has any words of wisdom about this they would be much appreciated.

Regarding the sleep thing - the last time I quit (Vicodin) it took about 2 1/2 weeks before I actually had a full night of sleep. I still woke up sweating, but at least I wasn't awake at 1:30, or all night long.

Good luck to you!

[Sean5110]

Jenn, how's it going: are you still doing only 2 percs/day, or did you get something to allow you more opiate intake until Friday?

[Synderella]

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[Witchywoman]

Hi all, I"ve been home sick with Pneumonia for the past three weeks and have hardly been online at all, but I"m better and back at work for the first time today.

I wanted to answer Jenn's question about when to start the recipe supplements. Start them as soon as possible. It is perfectly ok to start them while still using narcotics. Waiting until 6 days into withdrawal defeats the whole purpose of the supplements.  They are there to help make the process easier. Some of them, like the 5 htp, I didn't know about until I was a week clean, but it would have saved me a lot of depression had I started it sooner.

So, good luck with it, and I think you'll notice a difference right away. The L-Tyrosine is especially helpfull.

take care,
WW

[Synderella]

Sean,

Hey sweetie, how's it going?  Yeah, I am still taking only the 2 percodans a day.  I have no other choice, I made sure my doctor cut me off, I have no refills left, and I refuse to give in and ask anyone I know for pills.  Doing that would just be letting myself down and worse yet, ultimately setting myself up for failure!  I crushed the pills today, and they seemed to take the "edge" off, so along with last nights sleep, I am feeling pretty good today!


How are you doing?  Still sticking to the tapering schedule?  How are things at home?  Did you read my post yesterday regarding the Valium?  I know we will all make it through this. . .we have to.  We all lived our lives before drugs, so we can live them without drugs once again.  Hang in there and continue to keep in touch with me, hanging onto each other for support, progress, and help definitely is the best solution!

Your friend,

Jennyfer

[HollyB]

Good afternoon all,
I was wondering if someone out there can list the thomas recepie and tell me more about it so i can start doing the detox. thank you

[Synderella]

Holly,

The infamous

[The Golden Slipper]

Hi

I also have had sleep problems when withdrawing.  The last time I took Ativan 1 mg. at bedtime which seemed to help. The only problem with the benzos is the chance of becoming addicted.

A few years back, I suffered a deep depression while withdrawing and did not sleep at all for almost a whole week.  I was prescribed a drug called "Trazadone" and it worked very well for me.

It is an antidepressant but I know it has been successfully used for insomnia and it is non-addicting.  It might be something you could look into.

Hope you are soon enjoying a good nights sleep

[Sean5110]

The taper begins tommorow. My dosage will be cut in about half and decline over next 20 days. I know I'll feel it, which I dont' mind because I need the reminder that there's no free lunch. I envy your ability to turn the light on, so to speak, in terms of letting others no about what's going on (even if they can't really appreciate what your dealing with), and that you'll be taking some time to the worst of it behind you next week.

Also, the fact that your taking a fairly limited dosage right now (compared with abuse levels) will only help you when you go cold turkey. I'm so glad to see you, and others here, committed to what amounts to starting new lives after such extensive periods of really putting life on hold.

You're so right when you say that we have gone much of our lives living life on life's terms, that it is almost dillusionary to think that we can't live without the pills. In essence, it's all just a big lie to keep us from fulfilling our God-ordained destinies to accomplish the tasks at hand, whatever they may be.

I know I'll be shaky come tommorow and the days following and I just appreciate you and the many others on this board who have gone before me and keep up the encouragement.

Sean

[STC]

Sorry if I'm jumping in here. Just wanted to make a comment about L-Tyrosine. I've been taking it for the past couple of days in between taking hydros. I won't say that it keeps me from wanting to take more meds, but it allows me to go longer without taking them. I don't start feeling that sort of dazed, sweaty thing so quickly. I was actually able to sit down in a meeting yesterday and not be so "out of it" after not taking any meds for many hours. One thing that the L-Tyrosine doesn't prevent is the yawning. I don't know if others have experienced this, but if I don't take the hydros for several hours I start yawning uncontrollably. It's almost comic, if there can be anything amusing about all of this.

Wishing you all the luck in the world. My thoughts will be with you.

[Synderella]

Sean,


I am here, or you can email me ***@**** anytime you need me!  I realize how much harder your journey is than mine, and most others, being that you have to detox essentially in secret and alone, but this too shall pass, and we will all come out on the other side, much better

[Witchywoman]

No problem Jenn. I too have seen a lot of contradictions about this recipe.

I was lucky enough to be a poster on this forum when Thomas was actively posting. The original recipe, as he wrote it, says to start taking it right away, and many do swear by it.
It doesn't make withdrawal a cakewalk, but it does seem to help a lot.

take care and keep posting.
love,
WW

[pon]

When does your taper start?

[Chezz]

Oh this **** is so hard mentally.

I just had to get it out to everyone. I called my Doc today letting him know that the pain is getting worse, the longer I am off the meds. Today is 30hrs.

I really am doing pretty good pain wise. It is more mental wanting the meds not to feel "any" pain.

I am so glad he gave me some valium and told me to call him in the morning. Just kidding on the call part. The valium has helped.

I just didn't feel right unless I got that out. I am so happy I couldn't lie to myself or anyone else this time.
Chezz

[Jeff31]

You can do it, Hell if you need to talk to me let me know here, and i can give you a phone number, or you can give me on for all that matters. The thing is, is that we keep you from downing any pain meds. In the stage you are at, the mind will try and trick you into thinking that you hurt more than you really do. Fight it, after all, you dont want the last 2 days to be a waste. Hang in there.
Jeff

[STC]

Realistically, I should be able to tackle tapering and quitting starting around mid-October. Most of the big-wigs at work will be away at a furniture show for over a week right around then so I'm hoping to coincide my initial cut down on dose at that time. Then if I can last through the next few weeks I'll be able to take a week or so off in November to deal with the heavy stuff.

Still haven't had a chance to look into EAP - I haven't even had time to tie my own shoes so far this week. I am, however, decided that I'm going to talk directly to a doctor about detox. I just don't get the feeling that the chemical dependency program at Kaiser is concerned with the physical aspects of withdrawal. Also, from reading the posts here it sounds like there are a few things he/she can give me to help ease symptoms.

Thank you for thinking of me. How are things going for you?

[Chezz]

Thanks for the help. I posted above.

I am happy I didn't get any meds.

The main thing is what it did do for me and that was letting my wife fully "inside my head".

I am so mentally tired right now. I am going to veg. in front of the t.v. I have one in my home office. Its just not the same.

Thanks again for the help, Day 3 coming soon...(I knew I could do this)...hehehe

yeah right, I couldn't do it alone that is for sure.
thanks to all,
Chezz

I check this thing all day/night since I am at home.

[pon]

doing good...7 and counting...feeling much better.   Pick your schedule and stick to it...first step is the hardest, each one after that is a little easier...after enough time they can be normal again.

Go with the Dr idea, but get moving so you find the one you want before start time...life is good on the other side of this...get there man.

lkeep posting, want to hear how you're doing.  you can do it.

[pon]

You haven't lost or failed...you've had a step backwards.  Stand up and start forward again....for you

Prayers,

pon

[Chezz]

Pon is right. You haven't lost anything.
In fact you have won. You realize you have a problem and you are reaching out.

I am on day 3 and am struggling mentally, somewhat physically, yet I still am upbeat. You have to keep positive.

You also need to get rid of friends that use. You will never get off/stay off drugs unless you get yourself a new set of friends. It sounds hard but it is actually something you have to do.

It sounds like your usage is down. Where are you at now?

You can do it Allisa. I am on day 3, Pon is on day 8. And there are many more people like you on this forum that need/want to quit in the next week.

All it takes is your "will" to quit. When you are ready to get your life back, nothing will stop you.

Stay strong,
Chezzz

[pon]

Chezz is right...stand back up...we're here for you

prayer

[hippy]

start the receipe asap
and do it like it says
peace

[Whisky]

Cyn,

On day 14, I'm beginning to have sleep problems - even wit klonopin, trazadone, dioxepem, benadrayl; that's alot of stuff to get me to sleep; to past 2 nights I have been banging the bed and screaming....

So, I'm wondering why suddenly after the earlier day, my sleep patterns (I usually slept very well 8 hours per night) but then I was taking a few darvocets and 1 klonopin..

Last night made me want to relapse.  I thought, it this persists...I'd rather go back to darvocets.  I'm hoping very much thet the sleeep patterns will come back to normal

Liza

[pon]

Hey, it is hard for all of us to stand back up...this is not easy...if it were we wouldn't all be here.

Sounds like the pills have left you with a lot of things that you feel are unfinished...sounds like you want to finish them too.  Got to finish the pills Alissa...it is the key that unlocks the door to all of the other things you want i8n your life.

Addiction is not easy...but you can beat it...lots of the folks here have or are in the process of doing so...I am willing to bet that there are very few who can say they went cold turkey and din't experience some setbacks...

The thing is though, you have to keep trying...like everything hard and worthwhile in life, it carries a price of discipline and it sometimes requires practice before you can get it right.

Please don't give up...there is a lot of good waiting out there for you...you just have to keep trying...put one foot in front of the other...you can do it

prayers

pon