shooting drugs

[Dee]

can someone please tell me what 'skin popping' is??
thanks

[PS >>>>Annie]

I agree.  Thanks!

[spook]

I believe the Patient should determine which Opioid they prefer and the dose that they require.I do not think our current prohibitive mechanism reduces peoples "requirement"as you know it is hard to use enough of an Opioid to stop STRONG CHRONIC pain without getting Euphoria and sedation,I am not concerned with patients developing,tolerance and physical and psychological dependence as this is normal,it is only when someone shows definate drug Euphoria preocupation that I would "Label" them as Addicted,and even then if their Physical Pain was Legitimate it would be worth still prescribing,My god they are Human.
The problems we all find ourselves in these days is usually due to poor Physician Understanding of Neuropsychopharmacology,how can a society afford to have a Psychiatrist,who is also a Medical Doctor,Pharmacologist and Neurologist and EX DRUG ADDICT sit around and Prescribe Analgesics and council the mess these drugs APPARENTLY make of their patients lives,I wish I could help more people,but remember our socities are like Cogs in a machine and must be lubricated with MONEY before any real positive changes for Humanity will occur.Opioids do destroy lives Psychiatrists are expensive,Society is blind,life is not fair,it has always been a struggle,do not give up.

[spook]

Hello,you tell it like it is ,so do I.I do not pretend to be a good conversationalist,I have 23years of study from Psychiatry to Neuropsychopharmacology behind me,when you couple that to a vast personal experimentation with all classes of drugs,you end up sounding like an SS guard at a concentration camp.I am not a drug addict and this forum is titled "smoking,drinking and getting High",I never said that getting High was a four letter word,But I do not like to see people wreck their lives using drugs,it gives drugs a bad name.Especially if that drug is meant to be a medicine.Fact is drugs that get you high are all illegal now and people who get addicted to their medication are frowned upon like someone who gets high,it hypocritical,Scientists cannot separate the analgesic effect from the euphoric component.Maybe some want to know if they should.

[PS >>>>Annie]

Could you enlighten me, a bit more, on your exact stand of patients using opiate pain medication for long term injuries or diseases.  Forgive me if I am misunderstanding you, but what in the world should the drugs be used for.  "Have you ever been on the other side of the fence."  Yes they are addictive, but give some people back their lives.  We are always going to have people who drive drunk, and people who rob banks, and people who don't obey the laws of our land, and yes, people who become addicted to their medications.

[PS >>>>Annie]

My thoughts exactly.  Not sure what his game is, eventhough he seems to be somewhat informed.  I think he gets a big kick out of this.  He just might be the next______?????

[spook]

It means that Tracing is not nesscesary,once they have the court order they can automatically monitor all of the traffic to and from that persons PC,Using the Carnivore software.

[spook]

Hello, I am sorry my reply was "In the original Thread" but intended for SA, M.D. - HVMA

[J.B. to Brian and Vicky]

Most of us here try to convey our thoughts in a conversational style and here comes a guy with his own language.  Get real my man!  J.B.

[cindi]

Jesus....LMAO Duh    I thought I just took too much cough medicine (not even the good stuff) and left me fuzzy..then I read it again....worse the 2nd time around....Now I wonder what HE's on...LOL    cindi

[Thomas02]

spook is Dan back from surgery eager to remind us of his intellect coupled with an utter lack of humanity and compassion. Imagine what job he might have occupied in the Reich if he had come to adulthood in 30's Germany?

Imagine the reply he'll post to this message.

[PS >>>>Annie]

Lmao........what's up w/ this ghost fella.....(spook)

[cindi]

HUH?

[PS >>>>Annie]

Uh what???  Could you reiterate that in layman's terms please!
Thanks

[spook]

In this context, we want to make sure that both the Congress and the public understand that, in using Carnivore, there is no broad-brush acquisition by either Carnivore or by FBI personnel of the "contents of the wire or electronic communications" of all ISP users -- such as to constitute an unauthorized Title III "intercept." Carnivore only intercepts the communications of that particular criminal subject for which a Title III order has been obtained. Similarly, we want everyone to understand that, in using Carnivore, there is no broad brush collection, storage, or review, by either Carnivore or by FBI personnel, of the addressing or transactional information regarding any ISP user beyond that pertaining to the criminal subject's service for which an ECPA court order under 18 U.S.C. 3123 and 18 U.S.C. 2703(c)(d) has been obtained.

[spook]

DrSteve,Well actually five ,but we do not want to start a dangerous new CRAZE do WE?.
4."Intrathecal"-for when you get a REAL tolerance,but don`t forget to remove same volume of Cerebrospinal Fluid.
5."Epidural"-don`t puncture the Dura matter>>>>

[spook]

http://www.epic.org/privacy/carnivore/

The FBI will do the ground work and the DEA`s will enforce the Drug Laws,obey the laws and you will have no problems,they are looking for bigger fish than you.Like if somebody says they get their Painkillers from the streets and says they are using 20 tablets a day,WELL? then,In 5 mins there ISP can be contacted as to who pays that account.trcakm dOWn.........etc,etc.Don`t get paranoid,your cool.Honest.

[cindi]

To JB.  The story of drug addicted Nurses is usally pretty much all the same. Believe me,  there are alot of us..This disease does not discriminate. We did what we had to do to get what we needed.  I emphasize the word NEED. By the time most of us are caught we are tired,no, plain out and out exhausted,and terrified.  I had no clue i could get help.  If the hospital had reported me the first tme I would have detoxed in the county lock up but they gave me 24 hours to get treatment.  The DEA and board of Pharmacy have no tolerance for "impaired" Nurses.  They want to see us fry.  and after my first time they wanted me bad.  In their book I was total scum and they let me know it in no uncertain terms.  I did receive treatment in lieu of conviction but that was like pulling out my eyes to get.  I do not know the laws re: nurses in Indianapolis but they are getting tougher in Ohio.  The ironic thing is:  I don't know if anyone is aware of the corruption in Youngstown, Ohio but it has mad national news.  Many of our judges, lawyers etc. have been sent to prison for various crimes.  Bribery, etc.  The judges that I went in front of were the first to go down.  too bad the new crew that put me on the news didn't go down as well.  Oops, sorry, resentments are not a good thing, It was a very degrading, humiliating experience for me and I hope if any Nurses are reading this...You are not exempt.  It is a very easy cycle to fall victim to.  and there is Help.  things are kept confidential.   Take care   cindi

[Chad B]

We are not criminals, we are addicts with chronic pain.  The DEA can do anything they want, now if it's legal..that's a different story.  But I can assure you guys that they probably don't control this website.  They are not the ones taking post from this board, the webmaster of this site is most likely the only person allowed to FTP this site.  Don't worry my good people. Take Care and God Bless

[J.B. to Brian and Vicky]

I live near Indianapolis and there was a story on the news this morning about a nurse who tampered with drugs at a hospital.

Over a period of time she used a syringe to suck out the contents of 87 bottles of morphine and Demerol and replace the fluid with a saline solution.  They don't know for sure how much havoc this has caused the patients but she is facing a sentence of ten years.  It's a federal offense to tamper with consumer products(as they put it).  I think that by the time DEA gets involved, she may get life without parole!  As an addict myself, I hope she gets some help and rehabilitation instead.  J.B.

[cindi]

TO TOM,  Thanks for the word about the DEA  I've already had to deal with them and the State Board of Pharmacy when I popped several years ago.  In 1990 the hospital where I worked sent me to treatment for stealing and abusing,  they, at the time were under no obligation to report me to the Board of Pharmacy or the Board of Nursing.  Right out of treatment I was popped for trying to cop some crack but the charges were dropped so the hospital never found out.  In 1995 I was in trouble again,  this time i was indicted by a grand jury and they got me not only for theft of narcs but they had to throw in deception to obtain a dangerous drug,  just to add more charges.  Since the laws in Ohio changed considerably from 90 to 95 the hospital was under an obligation to report me to the pharmacy and the DEA.  Personally, i don't think that constituted the DEA being brought in but hey, I made the news....They made it sound like some big ring was busted wide open.  Now, I receive letters from the state attorney's office etc.  saying all kinds of stuff about me.  So I suppose I should be really careful about what I say?  Anyway,  thanks again....Cindi

[cindi]

Hi MaryAnn,  Haven't gotten any e-mail from you and then i saw the post.  i agree with tom,  good idea about the TalwinNX.  My husband is in recovery and a really chronic pain person.  He is now on Talwin NX and it is an oldie but goodie.  It has really helped his pain and has no desire to use or anything like that.  Try checkin it out it may be worth something to you    take care    Cindi

[Annie>>>to Tom]

......You are hilarious!.....Very Witty.  I must confess, I do have an addiction:  "this website!" Now, as for DEA......Why dont they go after the real criminals.  There should be a standard: Injury/illness + surgury + medication= No investigation...Seems pretty simple to me.  Leave us the hell alone I say! (:

[tom to Maryanne]

god, how I feel for you now, Maryanne. Like me, you're living the ultimate irony, or perhaps we should call it our mutual "cosmic joke." You're free of opiates because of the bup and now you need them for legitimate pain! Tell me something, though. Buprenorphine itself IS a pain killer (see www.rxlist.com) as Buprenex. Here's a site devoted to nothing but bup:

http://www.reccolpharm.com/Bibliography/

It's not just a detox drug! Why not ask your doctor for buprenex for severe pain episodes? I understand it's available as a pill or, if I understand it correctly, as a sublingual (under the tongue eyedropper-administered med) and possibly as a nasal spray, like that stadol pain killer used for treating migraine and other breakthrough pain). It's widely prescribed in Europe (oh, why, oh why, can't we keep up with Europe when it comes to medical treatments?) as an analgesic comparable to what you'd use demerol or oxy to treat.
Perhaps your doctor could give you some bup for breakthrough pain. Why the hell not? It's worth asking about, anyway.

If pain is going to be a continuing factor in your life, why not explore this possibility? Surely detox from using bup for a pain episode can't e as bad as, say, reverting to vics or oxy or codeine? Another idea: TalwinNX is a partial agonist pain killer that might not touch off your addiction. I remember using Talwin for a migraine and, while it worked for the pain, I had absolutely no desire to do more. They put Nalaxone in the Talwin NX pill so that addicts can't cook it up and shoot it without the nalaxone canceling out the Talwin and throwing them into withdrawal.

Check these things out, my good friend. I'm here for you as you are here or me. Let me know if you have any success. Perhaps you should call Gooberman? You can't be the first detoxer to need pain relief again. You've got a lot of years to go, my dear, and you're going to have to find a pain control method of some kind. If you ask me, this is the ideal situation to bring in the bup! Take care.
tom

[To Tom and rest of forum from Maryanne]

Hello everyone.  Am still doing well but have one problem.  I do have chronic pain from my car accident and shoulder surgery.  I have taken some pills here and there for the pain and do not have withdrawal when I stop.  I am scared that this will lead me back to taking them all the time again.  I can't get rid of the pain without them sometimes.  I do massage, heat, mineral ice etc.  and I just lay in bed at night and cry (want to sleep SO bad but the pain is SO BAD it keeps me awake) - what a way to live.  I felt great when I got off these only to run into a real dilema when I need them.  Thanks for letting me vent.  I know in my earlier posts I said I was a slave set free but now I find that I am a slave to the pain.  What am I gonna do?  God Bless you all, Maryanne