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Does Ibogaine work?
I have read many articles for the supposed "wonder cure" for addiction, ibogaine. I was wondering if there could possibly be any truth to it.... although I highly doubt it because it sounds too good to be true.
I was hoping that if there is even a grain of truth to it, it might help my fiance so he could detox off of 90 mg of methadone, which he has been taking for about 5 years.
Does anyone know anything about ibogaine for real?
I was hoping that if there is even a grain of truth to it, it might help my fiance so he could detox off of 90 mg of methadone, which he has been taking for about 5 years.
Does anyone know anything about ibogaine for real?
To tell you the truth i have never heard about ibogaine and never heard of any wonder cure apart from hard work willpower,detrmination,possitve thinking and lots of encouragment i have been clean for 34 days from a 13 year heroin addiction but would never have done it without the wonderful help i recived here at mh the people here gave me all the support i could ever ask for and much more and i really had to stop the heroin as i new it was killing me and if there is a wonder cure no one ever told me about it i used to get methadone but was allergic to something in it as every time i took it i was violently sick but doing great now james
I am not experienced about Methadone, so hopefully someone who has come off Methadone can shed some light for ya, but yeah, I've never heard of ibogain either because I've gone through withdrawl so many times that I probably would of found or at least heard of it. During all those withdrawls I always relapsed to my drug of choice, Hydrocodone. The buzz is all about Suboxone. I wouldn't know the slightest about how easy it is to quit Methadone cold turkey, I'm sure it's tough, but could be done. That is the best option possible. The next best option for something as strong as Methadone is most likely tapering. If you find it impossible to quit cold turkey (and you should try it first) and everytime you try to taper you find yourself going back up again constantly, then Suboxone is definately a great option. A couple warnings....it reacts differently to everyone. Most find it helpful, but some it can react to badly, but of course, that comes with the risk of any medication. Secondly....Suboxone can be abused just like any drug, so if you eventually choose this route, you need to be very sure how you're going to take it, then take it just as prescribed and set a plan in place immediately on tapering off of it as soon as you can. Good luck and God Bless.
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Check out some of the personal experiences with Iboga that are described here...
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Ibogaine.shtml
I have read them all, along with some more on other sights. Personally, I don't think Iboga is a miracle treatment, but it appears as though it can help people get through withdrawals.
In every experience the person describes an intense psychadellic experience that ends with an easier ability to quit opiates. However, in most the descriptions, the person is required to be in withdrawals before they take their dose of Iboga and the experience itself lasts about 2 days with after effects extending into weeks. Many report that after the effects of the Iboga wear off, their withdrawals do return, however they are more mentally equip to handle them. One person mentions that the pain of withdrawals was only physical after the Iboga experience, and that the mental stress was suddenly gone.
I tend to question what the drug is actually doing. Iboga has both hallucinogenic and stimulant properties. The typical description mentions intense visual and auditory hallucinations, along with feelings similar to that of MDMA or an amphetamine. The hallucinogenic experience tends to last the 2 days, followed by the couple weeks where the person has trouble sleeping, is very alert and "excited about life" ie. stimulated.
If anyone has ever taken an amphetamine while they are withdrawaling from opiates, you know that it has the ability to mask almost all the pain of withdrawal. Hallucinogins tends to have the same effects from what I have read, though I have no experience with them. At the same time, almost every person discusses the use of marijuana after their experience with Iboga to help with the residual feelings of withdrawal.
Regarding the positive attitude and new outlook on certain aspects of life.(addiction, friendships, family, anger, happiness, etc), I believe that there is evidence that psychadellic experiences can have positive effects. There are many valid studies, one from Johns Hopkins specifically, that involved 30-some individuals being dosed with psilocybin(the active ingredient in hallucinogenic mushrooms). Over 75% of the participants reported noticable positive lifestyle and attitude changes immediatly following their experience. And the majority of that group reported that this positive change in well-being continued when contacted months later.
With regard to Iboga, in my non-medically trained, armchair researcher opinion, I believe that the intense 2-3 day long experience masks the pain of withdrawals during their highest intensity. And the following days of extended stimulant effects continues to mask the withdrawal feelings. Most are also using marijuana during this time to curtail withdrawal feelings. Once the effect of the drug has completely worn off, the individual seems to be through the worst of the withdrawals. Most mention that discomfort does return at some point, and that the remainder of withdrawal is felt. I think that the positive mental experience that the person has while using Iboga helps them deal with this discomfort...as is described in some of the reports.
So when you look at the use of Iboga, it is not unlike traditional detoxification...it just uses non-traditional medicine. At its core, it is the use of a drug(s) to combat the pain of opiate withdrawal and detox the body. Because of the hallucinogenic properties, users can experience a positive change in thier lifestyle perspectives. Apparently, this occurs often if the drug is taken with the intention of making these changes in mind...if it is a person's focus during the experience. Similarly, in a traditional detoxification, group therapies and cognitive behavioral therapies help individuals change their focus in life and move away from addiction.
Ultimately, when you look at all these reports the only solid consistencies are that using the drug masks the pain of withdrawal for some duration of time. And that the hallucinogenic experience can potentially result in some short-term positive changes in attitude.
As we all know, your attitude is a huge part of recovery, especially during withdrawals. So when these individuals ingest Iboga with the belief that it is a miracle drug that will cure them...their minds are in prime position to take on opiate withdrawal. After the drug masks the worst of the withdrawal, the individual probably cannot help but be impressed and even more positive that they have beaten addiction. And if you throw in an enlightening psychadellic experience, it will only create more confidence.
Addicts need something to hold on to for support. Be it 12-step groups, therapy, meditation, etc. Iboga treatment seems to be another option for support. In a way, it almost works in the same way a religion does. As I said, our minds are the most powerful part of our bodies. If we believe in something strongly enough, we will attribute all the positives and successes in our lives to it. I think this is what occurs with those that use Iboga. Clearly it has helped some people, and that is great for those who have experienced success. However, I think one should recognize what is really occurring when a person uses Iboga.
Lastly, Iboga is a schedule 1 restricted substance that has been deemed unsafe for human consumption. Although hallucinogens have been known to produce positive, enlightening experiences...they are also responsible for causing a great many negative, life-changing experiences. I, personally, would not risk ingesting a substance like Iboga when there are so many positive and safe traditional methods available for recovery. It just seems too dangerous and risky, not to mention illegal. (at least here in the US) If it was a true, safe was to cure opiate addiction...there would be Iboga clinics all over the US charging $30,000 per client to cure people. Right?
To me, it seems like Iboga treatment is just tripping on a hallucinogen long enough to get through the worst of withdrawals. It might help...if you are willing to take all the risks involved.
That's all I got. A very interesting topic. I enjoyed researching it.
***These are just my thoughts, based on the reports and information I have read. I don't have personal experience with Iboga, or any hallucinogens. I would love to hear from someone who has tried it first hand though. I am curious what their thoughts are on it in hindsight. There were no follow-ups available beyond the primary reports I could find.***
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Ibogaine.shtml
I have read them all, along with some more on other sights. Personally, I don't think Iboga is a miracle treatment, but it appears as though it can help people get through withdrawals.
In every experience the person describes an intense psychadellic experience that ends with an easier ability to quit opiates. However, in most the descriptions, the person is required to be in withdrawals before they take their dose of Iboga and the experience itself lasts about 2 days with after effects extending into weeks. Many report that after the effects of the Iboga wear off, their withdrawals do return, however they are more mentally equip to handle them. One person mentions that the pain of withdrawals was only physical after the Iboga experience, and that the mental stress was suddenly gone.
I tend to question what the drug is actually doing. Iboga has both hallucinogenic and stimulant properties. The typical description mentions intense visual and auditory hallucinations, along with feelings similar to that of MDMA or an amphetamine. The hallucinogenic experience tends to last the 2 days, followed by the couple weeks where the person has trouble sleeping, is very alert and "excited about life" ie. stimulated.
If anyone has ever taken an amphetamine while they are withdrawaling from opiates, you know that it has the ability to mask almost all the pain of withdrawal. Hallucinogins tends to have the same effects from what I have read, though I have no experience with them. At the same time, almost every person discusses the use of marijuana after their experience with Iboga to help with the residual feelings of withdrawal.
Regarding the positive attitude and new outlook on certain aspects of life.(addiction, friendships, family, anger, happiness, etc), I believe that there is evidence that psychadellic experiences can have positive effects. There are many valid studies, one from Johns Hopkins specifically, that involved 30-some individuals being dosed with psilocybin(the active ingredient in hallucinogenic mushrooms). Over 75% of the participants reported noticable positive lifestyle and attitude changes immediatly following their experience. And the majority of that group reported that this positive change in well-being continued when contacted months later.
With regard to Iboga, in my non-medically trained, armchair researcher opinion, I believe that the intense 2-3 day long experience masks the pain of withdrawals during their highest intensity. And the following days of extended stimulant effects continues to mask the withdrawal feelings. Most are also using marijuana during this time to curtail withdrawal feelings. Once the effect of the drug has completely worn off, the individual seems to be through the worst of the withdrawals. Most mention that discomfort does return at some point, and that the remainder of withdrawal is felt. I think that the positive mental experience that the person has while using Iboga helps them deal with this discomfort...as is described in some of the reports.
So when you look at the use of Iboga, it is not unlike traditional detoxification...it just uses non-traditional medicine. At its core, it is the use of a drug(s) to combat the pain of opiate withdrawal and detox the body. Because of the hallucinogenic properties, users can experience a positive change in thier lifestyle perspectives. Apparently, this occurs often if the drug is taken with the intention of making these changes in mind...if it is a person's focus during the experience. Similarly, in a traditional detoxification, group therapies and cognitive behavioral therapies help individuals change their focus in life and move away from addiction.
Ultimately, when you look at all these reports the only solid consistencies are that using the drug masks the pain of withdrawal for some duration of time. And that the hallucinogenic experience can potentially result in some short-term positive changes in attitude.
As we all know, your attitude is a huge part of recovery, especially during withdrawals. So when these individuals ingest Iboga with the belief that it is a miracle drug that will cure them...their minds are in prime position to take on opiate withdrawal. After the drug masks the worst of the withdrawal, the individual probably cannot help but be impressed and even more positive that they have beaten addiction. And if you throw in an enlightening psychadellic experience, it will only create more confidence.
Addicts need something to hold on to for support. Be it 12-step groups, therapy, meditation, etc. Iboga treatment seems to be another option for support. In a way, it almost works in the same way a religion does. As I said, our minds are the most powerful part of our bodies. If we believe in something strongly enough, we will attribute all the positives and successes in our lives to it. I think this is what occurs with those that use Iboga. Clearly it has helped some people, and that is great for those who have experienced success. However, I think one should recognize what is really occurring when a person uses Iboga.
Lastly, Iboga is a schedule 1 restricted substance that has been deemed unsafe for human consumption. Although hallucinogens have been known to produce positive, enlightening experiences...they are also responsible for causing a great many negative, life-changing experiences. I, personally, would not risk ingesting a substance like Iboga when there are so many positive and safe traditional methods available for recovery. It just seems too dangerous and risky, not to mention illegal. (at least here in the US) If it was a true, safe was to cure opiate addiction...there would be Iboga clinics all over the US charging $30,000 per client to cure people. Right?
To me, it seems like Iboga treatment is just tripping on a hallucinogen long enough to get through the worst of withdrawals. It might help...if you are willing to take all the risks involved.
That's all I got. A very interesting topic. I enjoyed researching it.
***These are just my thoughts, based on the reports and information I have read. I don't have personal experience with Iboga, or any hallucinogens. I would love to hear from someone who has tried it first hand though. I am curious what their thoughts are on it in hindsight. There were no follow-ups available beyond the primary reports I could find.***
its V E R Y dangerous
Have you, or do you know someone who has tried it?
I believe it illegal in the US and it sounds scary to me I just read about it .
Yes, it is illegal in the US. And quite scary. I just read this report that I have missed. The experience resulted in a visit to the ER and an infection in the heart. (Not sure if the Iboga caused it, but still pretty scary.) Link below if you want to check it out.
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=41522
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=41522
so ur telling me its like peyadote(spelling) its a catus that makes u trip for like 3 days and thats kinda what this sounds like to me. thats a long time to be tripping for i did 3 days and wow was that wayyyyyyy to long. anyway. i dont understand how this will work but who knows is it prescribded by a dr or over the counter doubt ovc but who knows these days. unfortunatly im willing to try anythng
you wont get it from a doctor if you are in the us and no you cant get it o c t I would look int other options
ok just read further down it illegal makes sense but i still dont know what it is is the active ingredient that iboga is that in like mushrooms,acid, or peyadote those are all psydelliacs. the only one that would be able to last long enuf for the w/ds would be peyadote like i said above i just really have never heard of this and kinda intrested as dumb as tht sounds. for those of u who have ever had a GOOD trip it is kinda spirtual so i can see where that could be good for the mind and body soul when getn ready to detox. but i have also had bad trips where u freak out when ur mind isnt in the rite place beforehand and it sounds lik ethere is no such thing as a for sure trip which this sounds like and could make things alot worse. so idk it def is a intresting topic im going to look into the links that u have up and learn lil more.
this is how they say the process goes after taking it, i gota admit since i am somewhat knowedgleable about psydelliacs i can actuallly wokn for some people and they already started looking into it as a real way to help panama has it and they said were about 2 yrs away from a decesion weather or not to legalize this method.
Ibogaine's actions breaks down into three component parts. The first is a four to six hour period emulating dreaming in which either visual presentations or thoughts dealing with past events are experienced. The second is a cognitive or intellectual period in which those experiences are evaluated and the third is a period of residual stimulation eventually resulting in sleep. It is after the patient awakes that the effects are principally noticed in a lack of a desire in the majority of patients to seek or use the drugs they were abusing. However, it should be noted that the responses to the drug are very individual just as the patient has individual characteristics.
Ibogaine's actions breaks down into three component parts. The first is a four to six hour period emulating dreaming in which either visual presentations or thoughts dealing with past events are experienced. The second is a cognitive or intellectual period in which those experiences are evaluated and the third is a period of residual stimulation eventually resulting in sleep. It is after the patient awakes that the effects are principally noticed in a lack of a desire in the majority of patients to seek or use the drugs they were abusing. However, it should be noted that the responses to the drug are very individual just as the patient has individual characteristics.
The legalities regarding it in various countries is discussed here.
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ibogaine/ibogaine.shtml
The active ingredient is Ibogaine found in the iboga root and some other plants apparently. There are countries that offer a supervised detox using this method. I am not sure which ones.
Like I said before, if it was safe, they would be doing it here for 10s of thousands of dollars.
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ibogaine/ibogaine.shtml
The active ingredient is Ibogaine found in the iboga root and some other plants apparently. There are countries that offer a supervised detox using this method. I am not sure which ones.
Like I said before, if it was safe, they would be doing it here for 10s of thousands of dollars.
well from what i read they are looking into startn it here or at least in disscusion about the ggod bad of the drug. they say it will be about two yrs b4 they come up with a judgement
Thank you--everyone--for your insightful comments about ibogaine.
For years now, I have been trying to keep an eye on ibogaine treatment, but info has been hard to find. This does not mean that it is ineffective, however. When you say that, if it was safe, they would be doing it in the US for tens of thousands of dollars, I think that is entirely incorrect.
Think about it. How much money does the government make each year off of addiction? Billions and billions of dollars. How about all the methadone clinics and detox centers and rehab facilities? The list goes on and on and on. I'm not saying that ibogaine is truly a cure for addiction, but it is obvious that many parties have a vested interest in keeping addiction alive and well for their own financial gain.
Check out this article from ezinearticles.com:
http://www.ezinearticles.com/?Ibogaine-Drug-Addiction-Treatment:-Breaking-Through-to-the-Core&id=132130
I copied a couple excerpts from this article that address the financial considerations of addiction in the U.S. today:
“Clearly, in a world devastated by addictions to alcohol, cocaine, heroin, amphetamines, methadone, and nicotine, with all the accompanying death, disease and crime, in a society where dysfunctional behavior is the rule rather than the exception, in a humanity hungering to reconnect with God, ibogaine has profound implications....
"The opposing forces to widespread treatment with ibogaine are both economic and political....
"The political opposition to the legalization and manufacture of ibogaine is all pervasive and deeply rooted. A drug which is a true cure for addiction threatens vested economic interests in the underground world of international drug cartels and also in the aboveground economy....
"Addiction, like cancer, is a multi-billion dollar industry. In addition, giving any sort of legal status to a psychoactive drug goes against long standing cultural taboos....”
For years now, I have been trying to keep an eye on ibogaine treatment, but info has been hard to find. This does not mean that it is ineffective, however. When you say that, if it was safe, they would be doing it in the US for tens of thousands of dollars, I think that is entirely incorrect.
Think about it. How much money does the government make each year off of addiction? Billions and billions of dollars. How about all the methadone clinics and detox centers and rehab facilities? The list goes on and on and on. I'm not saying that ibogaine is truly a cure for addiction, but it is obvious that many parties have a vested interest in keeping addiction alive and well for their own financial gain.
Check out this article from ezinearticles.com:
http://www.ezinearticles.com/?Ibogaine-Drug-Addiction-Treatment:-Breaking-Through-to-the-Core&id=132130
I copied a couple excerpts from this article that address the financial considerations of addiction in the U.S. today:
“Clearly, in a world devastated by addictions to alcohol, cocaine, heroin, amphetamines, methadone, and nicotine, with all the accompanying death, disease and crime, in a society where dysfunctional behavior is the rule rather than the exception, in a humanity hungering to reconnect with God, ibogaine has profound implications....
"The opposing forces to widespread treatment with ibogaine are both economic and political....
"The political opposition to the legalization and manufacture of ibogaine is all pervasive and deeply rooted. A drug which is a true cure for addiction threatens vested economic interests in the underground world of international drug cartels and also in the aboveground economy....
"Addiction, like cancer, is a multi-billion dollar industry. In addition, giving any sort of legal status to a psychoactive drug goes against long standing cultural taboos....”
I might add that taking LSD every few days will dramatically cut down your opiate use also ....... would I recommend it? No!
i actually read a lot about the iboga and it is nothn like lsc or evn mushrooms as i first thought as well and they are pracrcing it in many other places and hevn very good success its not a miracle drug but like anythng else it could be a tool to use against these dieases. i have aopen mind and thnk that this mite be helpful but i can understand how alot of people would not.
i know a couple of people who have tried ib. i will see if they will come here and talk about it
Well - I did do the stupid stuff....it was after my lsd/peyote days - - the ibogaine was much more like MDA than anything else that I can think of ..... Now - I wasnt looking for it to cure an opiate addiction - wasnt addicted to an opiate then!.... so I cant have an opinion on that specifically ..... its not nearly the type of hallucigenic that lsd is .... but I dont see any miracle cure being derived from it.
There are organized trips run from New York City to South America for those wishing to undergo the ibogaine experience.... cant remember the guys name - David P/something? (check out the Burning Man place for specifics) - - costs around 1500-2000$ and lasts about 4 days. 2 of these days are spent doing the ritual with shaman - be prepared for tobacco smoke and firewater rum - - and cold mountain lakewater .............. also thin air and altitude. Dont expect it to be anything like rapid detox!
it sounds like the people searching this supposed wonder drug are just looking for the easy way out.i dont blame you,i would also go for it but the comments i've been reading are insane,i would not go near this drug with a 10 foot tounge.i know that for me,tapering is the best choice although not easy by any means.it would be to dangerous for me to go cold turkey because of medical reasons.like theeagle said maybe taking LSD for a couple days may cut down on your opiate use but i dont think that would be the best of ideas,and if you did find this drug you just might end up liking it.there's no easy way out,you've got to want it
I believe the guys name is Pincner - something like that..... Daniel or David - And there is no real danger that you could end up liking the stuff. Its not that kind of thing. More like datura or jimsonweed - that kind of stuff. Dont waste your time on it. I have to agree with steveo - - you have to want it - no "get out of jail free" cards are available for this one.
what can i searh to fing out what site would this be on that i can learn about this oincher guy?
Similar to this , the US goverment did experiments and a film about detoxing and curing alcoholicswith LSD in the 1950's. It appears to have worked for some but must have had some baleful results in other cases because they abandoned the trials. There are no miracle cures for addiction. There are no drug solutions to drug addiction. Detox is only the first step.
I've taken it, it worked for a 20 year alcohol addiction, and really helped with shame and self perception.
I've given it, and within 45 minutes the opiate w/d sx slip away. It's a great thing to see, color come back, skin get warm, visibly relax.
Most providers will want you to be on a short acting opiate for a bit before jumping off with ibo, because sub and methadone are so long acting. Ibo can do it w/ sub and meth, it just takes longer and uses more medicine. A heroin habit, though, boom. 3 days and done in most of the treatments. You want to have a week or two off of your life after to integrate the experience. It is huge, you are like a baby, tabula rasa, get to rewrite so much and it takes time.
Pygmies have been taking it for THOUSANDS of years in very large doses. So it's dangerous? Tell the pygmies. If westerners take certain precautions, it's safe.
It changed my life for the better, I am continually evolving. Hi all, I was actually trying for info on lamictal and found this. :)
I've given it, and within 45 minutes the opiate w/d sx slip away. It's a great thing to see, color come back, skin get warm, visibly relax.
Most providers will want you to be on a short acting opiate for a bit before jumping off with ibo, because sub and methadone are so long acting. Ibo can do it w/ sub and meth, it just takes longer and uses more medicine. A heroin habit, though, boom. 3 days and done in most of the treatments. You want to have a week or two off of your life after to integrate the experience. It is huge, you are like a baby, tabula rasa, get to rewrite so much and it takes time.
Pygmies have been taking it for THOUSANDS of years in very large doses. So it's dangerous? Tell the pygmies. If westerners take certain precautions, it's safe.
It changed my life for the better, I am continually evolving. Hi all, I was actually trying for info on lamictal and found this. :)
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