Fentanyl withdrawl question

[cetiya]

I am going to be going off my patch, 25 mcg, I have been on for about 4 months.  I innocently tried last month, and went into full blown withdrawl symptoms.  Now that my patches are almost gone, I am to see my pain specialist.
  What should I ask him for to make this as painless as possible?  I still have to function, go to work, sleep.  I plan on asking for Ativan, I should have some ambien still, and I also have a couple of Clonidine patches which are supposed to help too.  I'm really scared that he won't give me anything.  I hope he doesn't do that to me. i was completely useless before, and I can't lose any more time off work.  Any advice will be appreicated.

[AlexisInTx]

I wanted to clarify a phrase I made that sounded dumb.  

"there's me ya know and many others who are absolutely wonderful"

I was meaning that whenever you needed someone to talk to there's me, and then there are the others that are wonderful at giving advice.  I haven't been doling advice out long enough or would ever consider myself in the crowd that gives out the great advice.  *Stupid *Stupid* Chris Farley moment whilst slapping my forehead.  Remember, remember when you came here trying to get off of meth and people were giving you some of their own experiences?  That was awesome.  Gotta watch those old SNL re-runs.  Funny stuff.  Especially when Paul McCartney came on and Chris said, "And In The End, The Love You Take Is Equal To The Love You Make" -- then said, "is that true".  Gotta love it.

(Another Chris Farley thing).  Just wanted to make sure it didn't sound as if I were grouping myself in with those who are regulars and post some incredibly wise advice that have helped me a lot.  Okay, done now an off to bed with 2 mg. Xanax to help me sleep.

Alexis

[AlexisInTx]

I remember you from awhile ago, but as I was re-lapsing, you were just arriving here, so we didn't talk too much.

I do remember you being an incredible inspiration to many here in a short amount of time and the hell you went through.  It breaks my heart to hear that you're having a hard time.  I'm going through pretty bad w/d's, so I apologize if this sounds out of sorrts.  I just understand what it's like to relapse (have done this many a time) and that there ARE people here who care.  I left because there was a problem with identity theft and we don't need that on top of everything else (sorry to *****!!).

It's the hardest thing in the world I've EVER done, but I'm bound and determined to do it, what choice is there?  I hope you find like minded people who can relate to what you're going through, there's me ya know and many others who are absolutely wonderful.  The board, to me, has taken on a new life (a GOOD one), so I hope you can reap some benefit from the wisdom of the good folks here (you are one of them!).

I always feel secluded, in a shell and it helps me to write.  I know that occupying my days this way is not always constructive, but it passes the time and allows for me to choose a positive path, whereas before I would have gone for the pills.  I know you're dealing with pain and that's has to be so hard, but I think that you can find the help you need if you can just find a doctor who understands just what you've been through, what you've gone through and what you need to lead a productive lift sans depression and pain.  Easier said than done.  I have been through so many doctors, and none could help me.  I'm still looking.  As long as we're taking pro-active steps to heal our inner and outer self, we are in the right direction.  So many times I've said, &^uck this and just gotten my pills refilled.  Too easy for my own predicament.

Sorry to make this about myself, but I wanted to let you know that you left an impact on me when I was posting awhile ago, and I have a tremendous amount of respect for you for keeping on with this.   Man, I feel like **** right now (can't sleep but tired) and since this is number 72 (just a guess -- haha) in the w/d dept., I can always say that I don't want this to get any worse so I have to end it here.  I don't have chronic pain to contend with anymore (did at one point which in turn got me addicted), and you do and deserve to live a fulfilling life that's not filled with pain and withdrawal.  PLEASE know that your presence has helped many.  You have put aside your own pain to help others, and that should make you feel proud.  

Will be keeping you in my thoughts.

Alexis

[bmac]

Thanks for posting back. It was needed!

[lisabet]

hey percs----glad to see ya posting; been wondering about ya, but peazy said a few days ago you've been working a lot...anyway, glad to hear from ya, you old smelly dog!!!...smile.  I'm doing well, better than usual....seems to be better every day....(slowly, but surely, ya know?)....Love ya, Lisabet

[bmac]

Thanks guys. I still see the BS amoung some of you but hell I find it amusing myself. I hope everyone noticed I bailed when it all hit BTW. That's why I haven't been around in awhile because all of a sudden I go out of town and come back and this huge bunch of **** happened and all these people I thought were friends I haven't heard a word since. The few of you that have kept in touch know what I am going thru personally. It is obvious the rest could really care less. This isn't directed at anyone person please understand this. I just was under the impression we all we a big group of friends and as I said I go play one weekend and come back and everybody banned everybody. You guys are acting like a bunch of high school cheerleaders.
Sorry if I step on any toes but hell somebody needed to say it.
It makes me sick to think some of you acted as if I was a friend and I gave everything I had to you guys and this **** happened.
Please in the future could you guys and you know of what group I speak of, please grow the F*** UP! Please! IMHO, Bmac

[SarpyJesse]

Bill!

Nice to see you posting here again. I think you'll find that withdrawling from Morphine will be easier for you than many other drugs..... Thank God that nobody's suggested that you go back on methadone-- I know you had a hell of a time dealing with that withdrawl.

As for where the girls are? I have no Idea.... I see the Hippee over on another forum often.

About being a slave to narcotics; you couldn't be more correct in your phrasing.... It is "Slavery" whether you are an addict, dependant, or both. Going to a clinic to get one's methadone dose for the day has to be embarassing, and even dehumanizing, for the person who's strictly a chronic pain patient.

I hope you're through the "Worst" of it in your withdrawl!

Jesse

[SarpyJesse]

I think that the fact that they make you come *every day* to get your medication is the embarrassing part... The fact that in many cases of MMT, you're subliminally being told EVERY DAY that you cannot be trusted-- not everyone can get "Take home" doses-- And in many cases, you are just walking $$$ for the clinic.... Corresponding with quite a few people, and reading posts regarding methadone on MANY different boards is why I sense the dehumanized feelings that so many seem to have. I think that of ALL the posts I've read, your positive outlook regarding MMT is very rare... However, I understand that you do have a legitimate reason (Pain patient) to continue the methadone either for the rest of your life, or if new surgical techniques can repair the damage left in your back (caused by the operations that incompetent physicians tried on you

[mrmichael67]

Of course, I am speaking for myself.  But, I don't feel embarrased or dehumanized at all when I go to the clinic.  I go there, park, get out of my car, go in and take my meds, and leave.....all in about five minutes average.  It really isn't a big event to get all embarrased or dehumanized over.....at least for me it isn't.  I don't understand why people allude to this or that when they haven't the slightest.

[mrmichael67]

I feel bad for those that feel that way.

[oxic]

Hey Billy,

......sorry haven't been around here for a bit.
Hang in there brother.  You kicked the **** out Meth; and helped a ton of us along the way, so i know you'll do the same to the Kadian.

It was great to talk with you today; and i'll email you in the morning.  Stay tough buddy.

Hey Peazy, Pammy, Methman,Lisabet and everyone; i hope you are all hangin in.........i hope i can get caught up with you very soon!!   Take Care


percs

[bmac]

Hey youz guyz, bunch of yankees!
I am sooooo much better and after 60 hours I feel like a truck has runover me but at least I have taken care of the creepies!My skin finally decided to stop trying to leave my body! I don't know if it is me or the way I stopped last time but morphine seems alot easier at this point than the methadone was. So far no stomack **** and no nausia. I just have alot of brain fog and I have the shakes really bad. But those of you that know me I am the bman! I can take it. Thanks guys after all this time it is nice to know I still have some friends left out there! I love you guys and I will always remember your kindness! PEACE
                             Bill

BTW where's Hippy and Percs and Pixi? LOL That was a mouth full!

[mrmichael67]

Hang in there Bill.  We'll get you through this one.

[pammy0690]

Glad to hear that you came up with a solution buddy. Please do not punish yourself if you need meds for pain do not feel guilty or bad about it.  The addiction guilt is a killer.  That is way I stopped feeling guilty about taking apin meds six months ago thanks to something MrMichael said to me in the right way at the right time.  Anyway Bassman you should know that there are so many people around you who care about you so much!  You rock dude!  Your Friend, Pam

[bmac]

Thanks! You seem to know me well don't you! Mike H has already taken care of that. I will be OK by later today!
You know we come here and we withdraw then we go back to our lives and once it happens again we end right back here doing it all over again. I have finally stopped beating myself up over this. I think the only reason I am going thru withdrawals is I am trying to punish myself for something. It is the strangest thing. I am in alot of pain though. Morphine really killed my pain.
I will be fine Peazy. I promise you! And I wish we didn't live so far away too. That's life a babe.
Cindy, thank you for not banning me months ago. I think you did me a favor so thank you, it is obvious I still need this place!!
             BillyinBama

[peaz]

Hey girl!!  I laughed when I read the speech/recall situation that you talked about, because sometimes I really feel like it must be baby Alzheimer's that is afflicting me.....LOL  " Hey, guys!!  We're having magazines for dinner tonight!  Oh, I mean TACOS....Yeah, that's it..."  Man!!! It's getting a little better, but I'm not sure I'll be quite as sharp as I once was.  Between drug abuse, perimenopause, and old age---what's a girl to do???!!!  Damn!
    You sound like you're doing well.  Except for the nightly histrionics, that is.....LOL Well, no one can say you're a limp noodle in the sack,  Lulu!!  You and Anne  are both going to move away from all this stuff and level out to some kind of normalcy, so stick w/ it!! I love both of you, and I feel like you're both my "charges".  So keep posting. It was good to hear from you.(even if your post was not to me. Hope it's okay that I barged in..)  Love, Peazy

[peaz]

Bmac--You know I wold do anything to help you out but unfortunately we are far away...How mudh worse are you today?  I hope you're taking what meds you have because you need to at least be humane about this.   Let me know what Mike H says. He knows you and he cares and I think he wil help you somehow.  Hang in there and keep posting. Get in the tub and fire up the bong----Love ,Peazy

[bmac]

Thanks! Yes we have talked several times and I do remember you coming on here and it was in August when I got here. I was coming off methadone pills for pain. I am not a user, I am a chronic pain patient. Have been since 1992. I have been on everything man could make. I have never tried heroin maybe that was my problem. LOL
I am and always will be dependant of something but every once in a while you just get tired of the hoops the DEA and the ******* pain clinic docs make you jump thru! I don't have enough time to explain that commment but man these doctor wanna be's need to take a friggin chill pill! I am 48 hours into it now and I am fine and I thank you for asking. I am an expert on withdrawing. I didn't say it was the right way but it gets easier each time.
Thanks Lisabet, I came here needing someone and you showed up, thanks again, I won't forget that!
                               Bill

[rodewc]

After a few weeks clean, the urge to use Vike ES as an anti-depressant is unbearable.

I have 2 choices (it seems) to me:
1. Ask the doc about this patch (mentioned in thread). I was nearing 15+Vike ES a day in daily consumption.
2. (or) Continue to zone myself witn Xanax, and the very recently perscribed Ambien,(1 pill #10 MG p/nite, that I admit I am already upping it to 15-30 MG per/nite, in these initial few days.

Work is stressful, most particularly in this next month, this it is a conundrum (sp) and why I look here for advice.

Any help.  TY

rwc~

[gracie97]

Thank you so much, I love to hear from EVERYONE! The Will and Grace thing was cute! How is everyone today? See ya tonight!

[cetiya]

I'm not sure he won't give me anything, but I'm paranoid that he won't so I'm buying every drug I can get my hands on from the online pharmacies, spending every penny I have just in case.  I only have three patches left, then on to withdrawl hell. I'm hoping this won't last longer than a week, and I can get some sleep, I already have severe insomnia as it is, and last month when I went into wd's, I had terrible restless leg syndrome, even my arms were flying all around the bed.  I guess thats normal, from what I have read here.  I'll have to post here when I am in the middle of my hell, to get some support.

[Trying2Stop]

Hate to barge into this thread, but I just had to tell you all....2 days clean and I feel GREAT!!!  I am so happy.  And I did it before the date I had given myself.  Thank you all!!!

[pammy0690]

Way to go girl!  Keep it up and stay the course.  I think you will start to feel better in a day or two. If you can keep the determination up you can do this.  Try keep yourself distracted read books, watch TV or movies, force a little excercise.  I am so very proud of you.  Pamela

[Trying2Stop]

I'm doing it all.  I'm not depressed, I'm not bed-ridden.  I woke up this morning dry...no sweats.  It's great.  My husband is away all week for work, you'd think I would be popping left and right.  Tapering is the best....I had some valium I used for sleep.

[NEW ORLEANS LADY]

Thanks to everyone who responded!  My husband did not really go into any detail about this night trembeling thing--I think my addiction still really scares him plus he feels guilty because he thinks he should have spotted it.  Anyway thanks for all the input guys--Amber--What is this pain amplification that you are talking about--because I don't remember having this much pain after my withdrawal in January--Is it my "Beast"  wanting the drugs?  I know 23 days isn't enough time to judge exactly what is going on, but I remember when Plain Old Advil used to take care of any pain that I might have--Not this time!  For some reason my neck and radicular (nerve pain) in my right arm came back with a vengence--It has become very depressing--I still have to believe that things will eventually settle down.  If not I'm not sure how long I can hold off the "Beast."  Peace and Prayers--Everyone here has been a Godsend!  N.O. Lady/AKA Mystere

Anne