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Good news, bad news
I know I haven't posted in a little while, but I have good news/bad news. The bad news is that I will either have to go cold turkey from the norcos or taper off, BECAUSE the good news is that not only is the brace working (still haven't figured out how to keep it in place completely) but also, I might be getting another job 3 times a week dealing cards and have the other job one day a week. I have to see the doctor on the 9th. Today was a very very bad day though. I have 7.5 loratab instead of the norcos for now, and hopefully it stays that way.
Oh, and I need someone with medical knowledge to tell me the straight facts. My friend is taking the vicodin/oxycodone/methadone (basically whatever he can get). He is 4 hours away, and when I go out that way, my wife will be with me so that I am not tempted to take something he has, even for legit pain. Just saying that because I don't want anyone here to worry about me getting mixed up now that I am almost out. Anyways, I need to know something, he told me that in a 24 hour period he had taken 8,000 mg of acetaphedamine yesterday because he got some 5/500's and took 16 all together. Will this kill him, or is it just a stupid thing for him to do if he keeps doing it?
Anways, I am happy, almost done with this nightmare and ready to put pain pills away for good.........although I am no closer to knowing what is wrong with my back. I mean, if the brace works to keep the pain WAY down, what does that mean?
Oh, and I need someone with medical knowledge to tell me the straight facts. My friend is taking the vicodin/oxycodone/methadone (basically whatever he can get). He is 4 hours away, and when I go out that way, my wife will be with me so that I am not tempted to take something he has, even for legit pain. Just saying that because I don't want anyone here to worry about me getting mixed up now that I am almost out. Anyways, I need to know something, he told me that in a 24 hour period he had taken 8,000 mg of acetaphedamine yesterday because he got some 5/500's and took 16 all together. Will this kill him, or is it just a stupid thing for him to do if he keeps doing it?
Anways, I am happy, almost done with this nightmare and ready to put pain pills away for good.........although I am no closer to knowing what is wrong with my back. I mean, if the brace works to keep the pain WAY down, what does that mean?
Yo, Glad to see you posted and tapering down. Congrats on the job. I dont think it would kill him right away, but if he keeps doing it all that tylenol is definitely not good for him. Common sense. I use to do the same thing when I had the 5's. And yeah you can stop them. Keep up the good work.
First off, you posted this at 2 O'Clock in the morning EST. Then you came back two hours later still looking for a response. You need to learn to be a bit more patient. A good many members here work and on Sunday at that hour they are sleeping because they need to get up in the morning.
Next, you stated that you were getting off of the Lortabs. There was no question there on which is the best way, how can I do this, etc. You simply made a statement so I don't know what you expect in the way of response to that. ATTABOY seems appropriate. Way to go--good for you.
Next you asked about your "friend" who took huge amounts of Acetaminophen and asked if that is dangerous. There are no doctors here but you don't need one to tell you that is above and beyond the recommended daily dose. Will this kill him? Who knows? Probably. Eventually.
Since you mentioned your friend, this leaves me wondering why you are hanging around people who are clearly abusing drugs? You have made it a point to tell us time and time again that you take the medication for "legitimate" reasons. And while we are on that subject, let me explain to you that the good majority of the members here took their medication for "legitimate" reasons. We started out that way and ended up abusing it, as addicts do. Since again, you continually remind us that YOUR pain is real, I felt the need to let you know you are not alone. Contrary to the stereotype attached to addicts, most members here are not junkies living at the YMCA. We are professionals with families, homes and jobs who happen to have the disease of addiction. If you read more about addiction you just may have a better understanding of that.
Finally, your last (and only question about yourself) was "If the brace works to keep the pain way down, what does that mean"? What do you mean, what does that mean? It means that the brace works. I didn't get that question at all. It seemed to contain it's own answer.
In closing, if and when you and your doctor decides you will be stopping the pain pills and your would like some support or have some questions, ask away. You will find experience and support here. Good luck.
Next, you stated that you were getting off of the Lortabs. There was no question there on which is the best way, how can I do this, etc. You simply made a statement so I don't know what you expect in the way of response to that. ATTABOY seems appropriate. Way to go--good for you.
Next you asked about your "friend" who took huge amounts of Acetaminophen and asked if that is dangerous. There are no doctors here but you don't need one to tell you that is above and beyond the recommended daily dose. Will this kill him? Who knows? Probably. Eventually.
Since you mentioned your friend, this leaves me wondering why you are hanging around people who are clearly abusing drugs? You have made it a point to tell us time and time again that you take the medication for "legitimate" reasons. And while we are on that subject, let me explain to you that the good majority of the members here took their medication for "legitimate" reasons. We started out that way and ended up abusing it, as addicts do. Since again, you continually remind us that YOUR pain is real, I felt the need to let you know you are not alone. Contrary to the stereotype attached to addicts, most members here are not junkies living at the YMCA. We are professionals with families, homes and jobs who happen to have the disease of addiction. If you read more about addiction you just may have a better understanding of that.
Finally, your last (and only question about yourself) was "If the brace works to keep the pain way down, what does that mean"? What do you mean, what does that mean? It means that the brace works. I didn't get that question at all. It seemed to contain it's own answer.
In closing, if and when you and your doctor decides you will be stopping the pain pills and your would like some support or have some questions, ask away. You will find experience and support here. Good luck.
Joseph- Your friend needs to help himself. You can't help him. Yes,that amount of APAP
will damage his liver badly and he'll have symptoms of liver failure.
What's your bad news? That you can now stop the pain meds? That's good news,isn't it?
It should be very straight forward. You take them every 8 hours,right? So,at 3 a day it shouldn't be bad at all. You'll be fine. The work will keep you busy.
Are you stopping today? Good! Keep posting about that and how you feel!
I have to say...I'm surprised you don't know the dangers of APAP...you seem to know so much...and 16 pills at once!...surely you know that's practically suicidal!
will damage his liver badly and he'll have symptoms of liver failure.
What's your bad news? That you can now stop the pain meds? That's good news,isn't it?
It should be very straight forward. You take them every 8 hours,right? So,at 3 a day it shouldn't be bad at all. You'll be fine. The work will keep you busy.
Are you stopping today? Good! Keep posting about that and how you feel!
I have to say...I'm surprised you don't know the dangers of APAP...you seem to know so much...and 16 pills at once!...surely you know that's practically suicidal!
No, the bad news is that I will be going through the cold turkey wd's again probabaly. Like it's been said, and it's basically true, people don't do good trying to taper. I am actually taking 3 a day now, so it should make the wd's easier at least.
I am stopping when this runs out, that should be when this amount runs out.
Well, the specifics of how much would kill him vs. what could kill him. He didn't take them all at once, he took it through out the day, I would call a couple people and have him forced to the ER weather he liked it or not. I called the poison control, and they said if he did it this once, he won't be dying, but all it could take is doing it again and he might have liver failure within 24 hours. I guess the amount vs. his body weight saved his life.
So, Vicki, thanks for the post. It's nice some people still understand forgiveness and when the time to forgive is.............thanks.
I am stopping when this runs out, that should be when this amount runs out.
Well, the specifics of how much would kill him vs. what could kill him. He didn't take them all at once, he took it through out the day, I would call a couple people and have him forced to the ER weather he liked it or not. I called the poison control, and they said if he did it this once, he won't be dying, but all it could take is doing it again and he might have liver failure within 24 hours. I guess the amount vs. his body weight saved his life.
So, Vicki, thanks for the post. It's nice some people still understand forgiveness and when the time to forgive is.............thanks.
My only concern here is for you...your friend doesn't get it. You know what Sara would say: Concentrate on you! LOL
Try to taper what you have left. Maybe 2 a day instead of 3? It might help in the long run.
Trust me,I know how hard it is. I HAD to taper my DOC and it was okay until it got down to the small numbers...then it was a horror, but I had help! You can do this...and by the way...where's that humor??? You better find it!!
Try to taper what you have left. Maybe 2 a day instead of 3? It might help in the long run.
Trust me,I know how hard it is. I HAD to taper my DOC and it was okay until it got down to the small numbers...then it was a horror, but I had help! You can do this...and by the way...where's that humor??? You better find it!!
Hello to u I think u can do this ! Yea the wd are no fun but I think u said u have wd before so u know what your getting into, stay positive it helps so much maybe u can talk your friend into jumping off the pills with u :) good luck to u and god bless!!
The humor jumped out the window the second I realized that "play time" is over. I don't mean play time as in "getting high", I mean as far as only having one job that I don't have to take a drug test for without explaining WHY I have a medication like hydrocodone in my system.......it will come back, probably around the time the swallows return to Capistrono.
The thing about my friend, although I do understand what Sara (big sister) and others say about I can't help him, is that it's a tad different with him than other "friends". Not only have I known this guy for about 14 years, but he is one of three that were non blood brothers. He has saved me more than once, actually from jail. I am no felon (no offense to anyone in here who is) and it wasn't for hard stuff. He had reminded me and taken me to court (both times were "under an ounce of marijuana") and when I was really strung out, he gave me work when I really didn't deserve it. Anyways, the third guy, killed himself. It took a lot out of my friend, more than with me. They knew each other forever and a day. I get that he has to want to help himself, I do. It's just that this isn't just another drug acquaintance, so for me to completely give up, especially after finding out what he is really doing now, is not acceptable.
The thing about my friend, although I do understand what Sara (big sister) and others say about I can't help him, is that it's a tad different with him than other "friends". Not only have I known this guy for about 14 years, but he is one of three that were non blood brothers. He has saved me more than once, actually from jail. I am no felon (no offense to anyone in here who is) and it wasn't for hard stuff. He had reminded me and taken me to court (both times were "under an ounce of marijuana") and when I was really strung out, he gave me work when I really didn't deserve it. Anyways, the third guy, killed himself. It took a lot out of my friend, more than with me. They knew each other forever and a day. I get that he has to want to help himself, I do. It's just that this isn't just another drug acquaintance, so for me to completely give up, especially after finding out what he is really doing now, is not acceptable.
Thank you for those thoughts, I appreciate when people have care for others. I am putting out the prayers for you too.
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I have told you many times over that there is NOTHING that you can do for your friend right now. Only he can change his behavior. Telling him the dangers of the meds he takes wont change his mind. You can let him know you will be there for him when he decides to quit. Until then you have to take care of you. You have wd's to get thru and learn how to live a healthy clean life. You have to be able to take care of yourself before you can help someone else. I'm not crummin down on you, just stating the facts as we all have here. Dont downplay what you are going to go thru. Addiction doesnt just go away once the pills are stopped. It may go really good for awhile but the demon will come back to visit and you have to be on your toes when it does. I am happy the brace is working. Keep wearing it and hopefully your back will get stronger.........lecture over!! sara
LMAO!! Joseph!! It just so happens that I KNOW when the Swallows return to Capistrano!
It's always around March 18th, give or take a day. The timing coincides with,are you ready?? The feast of St.Joseph which is March 19th. It never fails. Sooo, that means your humor will be returning in about a week... Get ready!! We'll be expecting jokes and laughter!!
I can also tell you when the cows come home and when pigs fly...LOL
It's always around March 18th, give or take a day. The timing coincides with,are you ready?? The feast of St.Joseph which is March 19th. It never fails. Sooo, that means your humor will be returning in about a week... Get ready!! We'll be expecting jokes and laughter!!
I can also tell you when the cows come home and when pigs fly...LOL
I thought it was March 17th........................
I hear you domino, I know your not being "mean".
I hear you domino, I know your not being "mean".
Do you just hear her or do you understand her? Nobody here says anything to trying to be mean. Everything is said because we have all been where you are at and we understand what it takes to get and stay clean. We want you to understand that also. Just because your friend isn't a dealer doesn't mean it isn't a toxic relationship. When everyone says that we have to cutoff all ties associated with drugs we don't just mean drug dealers. We have all had close friends that we had to step away from until they were ready for help. That's all you can do for now. Let him know you are taking care of you for now and are taking a step back from him. Tell him that once he is ready that you will be there for him. There is nothing you can do to convince him he's ready. If you continue to associate with him it will make your chance of sobriety very difficult. It's going to be a rough road until you realize that you are not the exception.
Do yourself a favor and for now just worry about you. We will all be here to help you get through these withdrawals just like we are all here for you trying to make you understand how addiction works. We aren't jumping down your throat. We just want you to learn from our mistakes.
Do your best to get motivated for the day you take your last pill. Go into this as strong as possible. If you give it everything you've got you will make it through.
Best of luck to you.
Brian
Do yourself a favor and for now just worry about you. We will all be here to help you get through these withdrawals just like we are all here for you trying to make you understand how addiction works. We aren't jumping down your throat. We just want you to learn from our mistakes.
Do your best to get motivated for the day you take your last pill. Go into this as strong as possible. If you give it everything you've got you will make it through.
Best of luck to you.
Brian
I really do understand about your friend it's very hard when your close with someone and u know that there hurting there self, maybe he"ll see u getting clean and you can be his role model, just hang in there and taKe very good care of your self!
March 17th is St. Patrick's Day...they are around then too. They fly in over several days.
Anyway...that's off the point. Be a good dubie and take care of you,okay? You need to get clean...just like we all did. It's really not hard you know...
Anyway...that's off the point. Be a good dubie and take care of you,okay? You need to get clean...just like we all did. It's really not hard you know...
Getting clean isn't hard, what is hard is dealing with life without any medication........and I don't mean pain medication.
Why do you think you can't take ANY medication - and I don't mean pain medication either. I don't understand?
Regardless of what it was, I have always self medicated myself (I don't mean buying pain pills), I mean drugs, herbs, sugar, whatever.
I have a lot of issues, most of them mental.
So, when I stop taking this, I won't be taking anything. It's not easy, I refused all the hard drugs they wanted to give me. Lithium, ridillin, depekote (although I took that one for about a month), and more. Being considered crazy dosen't help when you really arent. I just have my issues they labeled with.
I have a lot of issues, most of them mental.
So, when I stop taking this, I won't be taking anything. It's not easy, I refused all the hard drugs they wanted to give me. Lithium, ridillin, depekote (although I took that one for about a month), and more. Being considered crazy dosen't help when you really arent. I just have my issues they labeled with.
I'm still not sure what you're saying - there are a LOT of alternatives to feeling better that do not require taking narcotics or controlled substances. A good Dr. could get you on the right path here I'm sure.
But I'm still confused as to what the issues are for you. Maybe it's just me - I can be a little slow sometimes! :)
But I'm still confused as to what the issues are for you. Maybe it's just me - I can be a little slow sometimes! :)
I don't need drugs, I need to keep finding herbal recipes that help me "be normal", that's all............life just ***** right now, a lot. It was an offhand comment, that's all.
Okay, I get it now. I'm sorry you're having a tough time. And please don't take this the wrong way, but I remember when I was taking all that poison, my life seemed a LOT worse than what it really was. Don't get me wrong, I'm struggling with a lot of the same issues that we're all dealing with these days - financial woes, family stuff, but at least now I have hope that I can handle what I need to. I NEVER had hope when I was taking drugs. Just something to think about - please I'm not saying this to be harsh, just telling you what my experiences have been. :)
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