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ive been doing suboxone for over two years and the most ive went without one is about two or three days in that time period, im only 21 years old and i dont want to live the rest of my life like this, when i dont have them i am so down and out i have no energy and feel horrible, i just want to get them out of my life and feel good without drugs, i took them to get off opiates but now im hooked on suboxone, someone, anyone if you have any advice for me, PLEASE HELP. i dont know where to go or what to do, im in desperate need of help, i cant continue to live my life like this anymore, i feel like a heroin addict and i always have to have my suboxone, i just want to quit, please help me
I totally understand where your coming from,I am now taking suboxone and have been for almost 1 year now.I too asked myself "am I going to have to depend on this suboxone forever"I personally feel that my decision (for now anyways) is to stay exactly where I am on my suboxone.I was abusing any opiate I could get my hands on,finally I was taking up to 60- 10mg. tablets of methadone per day.I was totally out of control with my addiction and often would pass out on the floor.Lucky for me I'm still alive,so I just finally thought to myself that if I must take 1 suboxone tablet every day forever,then that's much better than 60 tablets a day.That's my personal advice from alot of thought into my situation.So,if I am going to be dependant on just 1 pill a day for the rest of my life....well to me that's alot better than popping 60 a day.Keeps me safe from myself in a strange kinda way.I wish you the very very best of luck,and you know what's best for you,noone else knows this but you.Good luck......
u know..if u were goin 2-3 days without ur DOC..chances r u coulda cold turkeyed and be done
Fact is u did not..so u r where u r...and this is where u need to move forward from..looking back isnt gonna help..shoulda, coulda, woulda...u need to feel ur way forward from here..beating urself up for decisions u made "then" is not fair to u cos u didnt have the knowledge u have now...then
can ur dr help u? tapering is the way to get off of sub...but is hard since addicts usually r not great taperers...writing out a taper//picking a QUIT day..and most often includes handing over ur pills.....alot depends on ur dose and length of time on sub
kee posting
Fact is u did not..so u r where u r...and this is where u need to move forward from..looking back isnt gonna help..shoulda, coulda, woulda...u need to feel ur way forward from here..beating urself up for decisions u made "then" is not fair to u cos u didnt have the knowledge u have now...then
can ur dr help u? tapering is the way to get off of sub...but is hard since addicts usually r not great taperers...writing out a taper//picking a QUIT day..and most often includes handing over ur pills.....alot depends on ur dose and length of time on sub
kee posting
If you in fact decide to quit cold turkey, this should help:
Thomas Recipe:
1. Valium (or another benzodiazepine such as Klonopin, Librium, Ativan or Xanax). Of these, Valium and Klonopin are best suited for tapering since they come in tablet form. Librium is also an excellent detox benzo, but comes in capsules, making it hard to taper the dose. Ativan or Xanax should only be used if you can't get one of the others.
2. Imodium (over the counter, any drug or grocery store).
3. L-Tyrosine (500 mg caps) from the health food store.
4. Strong wide-spectrum mineral supplement with at least 100% RDA of Zinc, Phosphorus, Copper and Magnesium.
5. Vitamin B6 caps.
6. Access to hot baths or a Jacuzzi (or hot showers if that's all that's available).
How to use the recipe:
Begin your detox with regular doses of Valium (or alternate benzo). Start with a dose high enough to produce sleep. Before you use any benzo, make sure you're aware of how often it can be safely taken. Different benzos have different dosing schedules. Taper your Valium dosage down after each day. The goal is to get through day 4, after which the worst WD symptoms will subside. You shouldn't need the Valium after day 4 or 5. During detox, hit the hot bath or Jacuzzi as often as you need to for muscle aches. Don't underestimate the effectiveness of hot soaks. Spend the entire time, if necessary, in a hot bath. This simple method will alleviate what is for many the worst opiate WD symptom.
Use the Imodium aggressively to stop the runs. Take as much as you need, as often as you need it. Don't take it, however, if you don't need it. At the end of the fourth day, you should be waking up from the Valium and experiencing the beginnings of the opiate WD malaise. Upon rising (empty stomach), take the L-Tyrosine. Try 2000 mgs, and scale up or down, depending on how you feel. You can take up to 4,000 mgs. Take the L-Tyrosine with B6 to help absorption. Wait about one hour before eating breakfast. The L-Tyrosine will give you a surge of physical and mental energy that will help counteract the malaise. You may continue to take it each morning for as long as it helps. If you find it gives you the "coffee jitters," consider lowering the dosage or discontinuing it altogether. Occasionally, L-Tyrosine can cause the runs. Unlike the runs from opiate WD, however, this effect of L-Tyrosine is mild and normally does not return after the first hour. Lowering the dosage may help. With breakfast, take the mineral supplement. As soon as you can force yourself to, get some mild exercise such as walking, cycling, swimming, etc. This will be hard at first, but will make you feel considerably better.
After withdrawals, the fight has just begun. It is as important to have a plan for recovery as it is to have a plan for detox. Some people swear by AA/NA and the 12 step process. Others take the private therapy route. There are many options, and there is truly something for everyone. Whether you attend meetings every night, group meetings every week, or therapy every other day, find a support system and work on your recovery. The withdrawals will be the most physically challenging part of your recovery, but the mental part that comes afterwards is just as hard. The best defense to relapse is to have a plan and stick with it.
Thomas Recipe:
1. Valium (or another benzodiazepine such as Klonopin, Librium, Ativan or Xanax). Of these, Valium and Klonopin are best suited for tapering since they come in tablet form. Librium is also an excellent detox benzo, but comes in capsules, making it hard to taper the dose. Ativan or Xanax should only be used if you can't get one of the others.
2. Imodium (over the counter, any drug or grocery store).
3. L-Tyrosine (500 mg caps) from the health food store.
4. Strong wide-spectrum mineral supplement with at least 100% RDA of Zinc, Phosphorus, Copper and Magnesium.
5. Vitamin B6 caps.
6. Access to hot baths or a Jacuzzi (or hot showers if that's all that's available).
How to use the recipe:
Begin your detox with regular doses of Valium (or alternate benzo). Start with a dose high enough to produce sleep. Before you use any benzo, make sure you're aware of how often it can be safely taken. Different benzos have different dosing schedules. Taper your Valium dosage down after each day. The goal is to get through day 4, after which the worst WD symptoms will subside. You shouldn't need the Valium after day 4 or 5. During detox, hit the hot bath or Jacuzzi as often as you need to for muscle aches. Don't underestimate the effectiveness of hot soaks. Spend the entire time, if necessary, in a hot bath. This simple method will alleviate what is for many the worst opiate WD symptom.
Use the Imodium aggressively to stop the runs. Take as much as you need, as often as you need it. Don't take it, however, if you don't need it. At the end of the fourth day, you should be waking up from the Valium and experiencing the beginnings of the opiate WD malaise. Upon rising (empty stomach), take the L-Tyrosine. Try 2000 mgs, and scale up or down, depending on how you feel. You can take up to 4,000 mgs. Take the L-Tyrosine with B6 to help absorption. Wait about one hour before eating breakfast. The L-Tyrosine will give you a surge of physical and mental energy that will help counteract the malaise. You may continue to take it each morning for as long as it helps. If you find it gives you the "coffee jitters," consider lowering the dosage or discontinuing it altogether. Occasionally, L-Tyrosine can cause the runs. Unlike the runs from opiate WD, however, this effect of L-Tyrosine is mild and normally does not return after the first hour. Lowering the dosage may help. With breakfast, take the mineral supplement. As soon as you can force yourself to, get some mild exercise such as walking, cycling, swimming, etc. This will be hard at first, but will make you feel considerably better.
After withdrawals, the fight has just begun. It is as important to have a plan for recovery as it is to have a plan for detox. Some people swear by AA/NA and the 12 step process. Others take the private therapy route. There are many options, and there is truly something for everyone. Whether you attend meetings every night, group meetings every week, or therapy every other day, find a support system and work on your recovery. The withdrawals will be the most physically challenging part of your recovery, but the mental part that comes afterwards is just as hard. The best defense to relapse is to have a plan and stick with it.
Hey man,
I too was in a very similar situation. I wanted to get off of oxycontin and started taking methadone (an opiate substitute, similar to suboxone). When I would come to my senses, like you just did, I felt completley trapped and hopeless.
There is only one solution, really. Its really simple, and quite comforting if you really think about it. All you need to do is stop. It sounds ridiculous, but all it is, is a choice you need to make. A choice that will end all of your suffering. Stop fighting your addiction. Submit to it. Ask yourself one simple question. Do you want to live? Or do you want to die?
I myself quit methadone cold turkey and have been clean for about 50 days. Sure, I suffered for a few weeks and am still feeling abit shaken by the experience, but I am so glad I stopped. God, I am so glad. You can do it too man. Dont be scared. Be wise.
I too was in a very similar situation. I wanted to get off of oxycontin and started taking methadone (an opiate substitute, similar to suboxone). When I would come to my senses, like you just did, I felt completley trapped and hopeless.
There is only one solution, really. Its really simple, and quite comforting if you really think about it. All you need to do is stop. It sounds ridiculous, but all it is, is a choice you need to make. A choice that will end all of your suffering. Stop fighting your addiction. Submit to it. Ask yourself one simple question. Do you want to live? Or do you want to die?
I myself quit methadone cold turkey and have been clean for about 50 days. Sure, I suffered for a few weeks and am still feeling abit shaken by the experience, but I am so glad I stopped. God, I am so glad. You can do it too man. Dont be scared. Be wise.
Change your number that helped me and when someone would stop by I would say hey I am on my way to a meeting want to go with me. That usually scares dealers away
Hey Rod,
I'm 21 too. I'm glad I didn't start taking suboxone. I thought about it, but I didn't realize it was addicting to. I've been clean of Vicodin for two days and it's been hell. I've quit before and usually after about five days, things start looking up. It's when someone gets more and asks if I want to buy any. I just need to learn to say no. As for your situation, you may have to take smaller and smaller doses each day until you don't need it anymore. Good luck man!
I'm 21 too. I'm glad I didn't start taking suboxone. I thought about it, but I didn't realize it was addicting to. I've been clean of Vicodin for two days and it's been hell. I've quit before and usually after about five days, things start looking up. It's when someone gets more and asks if I want to buy any. I just need to learn to say no. As for your situation, you may have to take smaller and smaller doses each day until you don't need it anymore. Good luck man!
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