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HOW TO GET OFF OF METHADONE
MY GRANDDAUGHTER CAME TO ME FOR HELP. WANTS TO GET OFF OF METHADONE . HOW DO I HELP HER ? WE CAN'T AFFORD ANY OF THE PLACES WE'VE CALL AND THERE ISN'T ANY PLACES THAT WILL DO IT FOR NOTHING. WHAT CAN WE DO?
Well...I did a lot of research on suboxone, talked to those on it, who have taken it...spent some time on the suboxone website (naabt.org)...
And most people who've used it and tried to get off it seem to say the same things. The short termers said it worked pretty good, made the detox easier. The long termers tried to come off and found that it was if hard not as hard as coming off heroin/opiate pills.
The one catch I noticed is that methadone users seemed to have poor success with suboxone. Since methadone is in your system so long, they seem to be screwed either way. Come off it too soon, and you're still suffering some fairly strong PAWS/withdrawals...wait too long for the methadone to be out of your system, and the suboxone withdrawal is heck.
It depends a lot on your history, I suppose. But make no mistake, suboxone IS addictive. Like any other drug, take it to long, you will be hooked.
(I did do this carefully too, I discounted about 50% of the stories when I dug and discovered that many of the "suboxone failures" where people who didn't use the treatment seriously. They were chipping, taking other drugs (cross dependency), etc...I didn't consider those valid stories for judging success or failure.)
And most people who've used it and tried to get off it seem to say the same things. The short termers said it worked pretty good, made the detox easier. The long termers tried to come off and found that it was if hard not as hard as coming off heroin/opiate pills.
The one catch I noticed is that methadone users seemed to have poor success with suboxone. Since methadone is in your system so long, they seem to be screwed either way. Come off it too soon, and you're still suffering some fairly strong PAWS/withdrawals...wait too long for the methadone to be out of your system, and the suboxone withdrawal is heck.
It depends a lot on your history, I suppose. But make no mistake, suboxone IS addictive. Like any other drug, take it to long, you will be hooked.
(I did do this carefully too, I discounted about 50% of the stories when I dug and discovered that many of the "suboxone failures" where people who didn't use the treatment seriously. They were chipping, taking other drugs (cross dependency), etc...I didn't consider those valid stories for judging success or failure.)
I am tapping off methadone right now. I was at 30mgs, I am down 15mgs every other day. I started vitamins which I think are helping. I have gone down 5 mgs at a time. It has not been to bad. I tried to go 3 days without the methadone. to long for me. Bad legs and knee pains.. I know it can be done. Just have to take it slow.. The most important is try everything!! what works for one my not for others.. we are all different..
Good luck with your granddaughter....
God Bless
Good luck with your granddaughter....
God Bless
I agree with all of you...LOL...I went c/t, and it SUCKED big time...at that time i wish i would have tried sub...
there are many things u have to ask yourself...I see some that have to still try to go to work, i see some that can take off all the need..
Also some that have babies to take care off with no help, there is no way to go c/t in that postion....etc...
There are so many factors that go into choosing what is right for oneself...BUT that is not for us to decide
only give advice and strenght to that person...
r2r
there are many things u have to ask yourself...I see some that have to still try to go to work, i see some that can take off all the need..
Also some that have babies to take care off with no help, there is no way to go c/t in that postion....etc...
There are so many factors that go into choosing what is right for oneself...BUT that is not for us to decide
only give advice and strenght to that person...
r2r
You know we are all different people with different lifestyles, health issues, ages etc, but we all share one big thing in common & thats addiction, not all two people will detox the same way, some will have success, while others fail, its all up to the individual person, how long has this person been clean from drugs? does he or she have the ability & the knowledge to remain drug free? Does this person have a strong support system? & have they closed the door on the people who may make a relapse possible? I have tapered from 90 mgs down to 2mgs, & some may question why so slow? This again goes back to the individual person, so we can all sugest a slow taper or suboxone or rehab, but at the end of the day, its about that person, only you know your grandaughter, so I feel its best to make the decision on her lifesyle & needs, maybe going to speak with a addiction specialist who doesnt work for a methadone clinic & has the knowledge of addictions, I did this, as I reached a point in my detox when I was having problems, I asked for some info on suboxone & she reasured me that I could take it to the next level, she gave me hope & talked me kinda out of the suboxone as she knew that as a individual person that this was not what was best for me, thank goodness I took her advise. Good Luck Penelope
Check into The Suboxone route. Only certain doctors can prescribe it, so go to Suboxone.com and find a doctor in your area. Read all the info on that site. It does cost some money, but no nearly as much as a detox clinic or the cost of the drugs shes paying for now. Suboxone is a very workable option for someone who has failed at cold turkey or tappering. It very well could save her life.
I have tried to taper, that did not work for me, but I can say I have experiance with it.
I have done cold turkey a number of times, relapse, relapse, but i have had the experiance.
I'm now on Suboxone, and its working great so far. I'm not stupid, I know its addictive and will have to come off it some day. So I now have experaince with Sub.
Those of you who only have experianced tappering or cold turkey and think your way is the only way, and are saying Suboxone is a bad choice...How do you know? Hear say?
This is basically what you are telling people:
"If tappering and cold turkey doesn't work for you, then there are no more options, so keep doing your drugs until they kill you. You have not excuse not to do it our way, and if you don't do it our way, your bad and not trying to get clean. You should just die because you can't do it like we think you should".
To those of you who bash other options that you do not have experiance with, are being very close minded and judgemental.
Now perhaps I should turn the tables and say cold turkey and tappering does not work, since it did not work for me. And since it didn't work for me, then it must be a bad option and shouldn't be suggested to others.
Open your minds people. Not eveyone is like you. There are other options. Do not try to talk someone out of an option that may be the only thing that will save their life, because you didn't use that method. Alittle high and mighty, don't ya think?
I'm a Suboxone user and will promote it to all as another option because I know all the options and REALLY want people to get clean, one way or another.
I have done cold turkey a number of times, relapse, relapse, but i have had the experiance.
I'm now on Suboxone, and its working great so far. I'm not stupid, I know its addictive and will have to come off it some day. So I now have experaince with Sub.
Those of you who only have experianced tappering or cold turkey and think your way is the only way, and are saying Suboxone is a bad choice...How do you know? Hear say?
This is basically what you are telling people:
"If tappering and cold turkey doesn't work for you, then there are no more options, so keep doing your drugs until they kill you. You have not excuse not to do it our way, and if you don't do it our way, your bad and not trying to get clean. You should just die because you can't do it like we think you should".
To those of you who bash other options that you do not have experiance with, are being very close minded and judgemental.
Now perhaps I should turn the tables and say cold turkey and tappering does not work, since it did not work for me. And since it didn't work for me, then it must be a bad option and shouldn't be suggested to others.
Open your minds people. Not eveyone is like you. There are other options. Do not try to talk someone out of an option that may be the only thing that will save their life, because you didn't use that method. Alittle high and mighty, don't ya think?
I'm a Suboxone user and will promote it to all as another option because I know all the options and REALLY want people to get clean, one way or another.
I wish people would not call methadone "meth", that is a term used for methamphetamine, NOT methadone. It is just confusing to especially the new people, they don't know which drug you are talking about.
Well..I've got a post somewhere here with some detailed info for getting off methadone (I came off 40 mg's cold turkey one time (four months clean)...and am on 2 milligrams right now).
If you could give me a little more info, I could possibly give you some suggestions...
Oh, for whoever asked, if it's liquid form, the main difference between street and prescribed is liquid street form is unreliable (no way of telling the dose). Here in the big apple we called liquid street methadone "colored water".
If you could give me a little more info, I could possibly give you some suggestions...
Oh, for whoever asked, if it's liquid form, the main difference between street and prescribed is liquid street form is unreliable (no way of telling the dose). Here in the big apple we called liquid street methadone "colored water".
medic 1: thanks for your advice. what makes this forum such a special place is that everyone is entitled to state their experiences and what the think. the object of this forum is to give ppl all the facts and options about those facts so they can make their own desicions. once thay decide what they want to do, then it is up to us as a unit to support them and help them anyway we can to get through this very difficult time, whethter or naot we agree with them. we are all adults and no one is going to agree all the time.
that being said when ppl come here and see all the hostility and tension they tend to doubt OUR forum...this is not a good thing.
so, to everyone...lets please try to respect each other and refrain from all the bickering. and if you have a problem with someones advice, rather than make a public display, maybe you could om your opinions and work it out from there. there are alot of ppl leaving the forum over these things.
and although i do agree ppl need to know the truth and all the facts i think it should be done with compassion and kindness. and skippy if you think i am sugar coating i am sorry, i call it compassion
much love to all of you my friends
cathy
that being said when ppl come here and see all the hostility and tension they tend to doubt OUR forum...this is not a good thing.
so, to everyone...lets please try to respect each other and refrain from all the bickering. and if you have a problem with someones advice, rather than make a public display, maybe you could om your opinions and work it out from there. there are alot of ppl leaving the forum over these things.
and although i do agree ppl need to know the truth and all the facts i think it should be done with compassion and kindness. and skippy if you think i am sugar coating i am sorry, i call it compassion
much love to all of you my friends
cathy
not starting the argument over... I was giving all opptions not my opinion.. that is all and as for off the street some pushers lace it cut it and do other stuff to it that makes it even that mush more dangerous that is why I asked that but I guess that does not matter now does it
I can't say for sure but from what I have read on here is that suboxone is very tough to come off of too and does cause withdrawals symptoms. I have heard it is not as bad as methadone though. I personally thing everyone should try to taper off of the meds they are on before trying to use a different medication to lessen the withdrawals. There are many that have been successful doing this. But from what I have read that methadone is a evil drug and sub is easier to get off of but still difficult. So that may be an option but I feel only as a last resort. This is only stuff I have read from others experience so I can't give any personal experience advice on it though. It is just my thoughts from what I have read from others. Everyone has their own experience and own opinions so I would read it all and do what she thinks is the best route. Best of luck to you.
brian
brian
When I came on this forum I wanted answers. I wanted specifics. The WORLD out there does not want us to come off of these things because it makes them mney and that makes me cringe. I am sorry but suboxene is addicting. if you're going to do it...DO IT. and get it over with, do not prolong your agony..just look at my journals and you will see what she will go through...I am so glad that she has trusted you with this and came for help, it takes a strong person to do this...she will make it..it is doable...if I can do it anyone can. Believe me it is still a little rough at times but it is doable...
despite what has been said about Suboxone on here...it is worth trying....its not nearly as dangerous as Methadone and has very little withdrawl symptoms if none at all when coming off of it....it a rapid detox drug which was passed by the FDA for methadone detox....it has been found to be helpful with the detox off any opiates but It was particularly meant for methadone detox....It will just make her detox more comfortable. And Skippy, I know alot of people who have been in absolute hell and suboxone was the only thing that worked....it was well tolerated and very easy to come off of...and it doesnt produce euphoric affects like methadone does so its abuse potential is alot lower than Methadone....it is a miracle drug for alot of suffering addicts who want to get there lives back....hope ive helped inthedark with info on the suboxone as well as Skippy....Peace and love!
I see people using sub to detox off of 100 mgs of hydro use a day...do not see the point in that one....u can not erase the inevitable...u r gonna have to pay the price at some time i have learned and am glad i started posting on this forum before i quit to become educated on all this..I have never used methadone so i cant give an educated opinion on how to detox...skippy did it and so did feomonn without sub...this is all i know...I do know hydro use and do not think sub is the answer unless u r having excessive relapses and need it to stay clean or to use while u wait until you have your life in order to sucessfully quit
I am sorry but I have to ask....
How is getting it off the street any different than geting it prescribed? hmmmmm
Just because it is prescribed soes not mean that they are taking it the way the bottle says...I am sorry but I am so sick of sugar coating everything i feel people shouldknwo the truth about what is happening and if I am wrong...God forgive me, this disease is so................oooh it makes me mad..I am sorry but people should at least know what they are about to go through and get ready for anything.....I do not mean any disrespect to any one on this forum....there are a lot here that have helped me..but when it comes to this methadone sh** I will tell the truth and not sugar coat anthing about it...that is what I wanted when I joined this forum...
Thanks
Skippy
How is getting it off the street any different than geting it prescribed? hmmmmm
Just because it is prescribed soes not mean that they are taking it the way the bottle says...I am sorry but I am so sick of sugar coating everything i feel people shouldknwo the truth about what is happening and if I am wrong...God forgive me, this disease is so................oooh it makes me mad..I am sorry but people should at least know what they are about to go through and get ready for anything.....I do not mean any disrespect to any one on this forum....there are a lot here that have helped me..but when it comes to this methadone sh** I will tell the truth and not sugar coat anthing about it...that is what I wanted when I joined this forum...
Thanks
Skippy
yeah I tapered off of methadone really fast 5mg daily taper it help and decreased my W/D but still felt like **** I was just giving all routes.. It will be up to your granddaughter to choice she is the one that is going to get draged through H e ll and back it is going to be rough ride for you to she is going to need alot of help the first week or two so you'll need to be strong just as much as she is going to need to be strong
I do NOT feel that trading one addiction for another is the right way to go,,,,suboxene....as I have read...is a addicting substance also please be careful in what you decide to do. It could prolong the withdrawals....sorry trying to be REAL hear...If you don't want it to be blunt then don't ask me...I have went through this thing full force and I know all too well what this stuff can do...what might work for some....might not work for others just be careful...
I know all abot the "can't afford" part. I have just come off of 20-30mgs. I did it cold turkey. But you should at least get the items that are on the "Thomas Recipe" if you scroll down on this page and look at the "Most viewed health Pages" you will see it. Now ......Does she work? does she have children? these are things that need to be taken into consdieration, because if she goes cold turkey, like I did, she is going to need a lot of support from family and/or friends. She is going to be be very uncomfortable and this could last at least 2 weeks. For me it took......well I am at 33 days so far going cold turkey , the physical symptoms are gone but the mental part.....the umph...to get up and get going and the sleeping part is what is the worst. Take a look at my journals..as I have kept pretty good notes on how I was feeling each day...Good Luck and Stay Strong...
Peace'Skippy
Peace'Skippy
how much is she taking??? there are a few ways to get off of methadone it is not easy but it can be done one way is to taper the meds slowly the other is find a suboxone dr that can persribe it for her it does cost money (not cheap med) but it is a safer way and safer drug than methadone. if she is getting it off the street it can be more dangerous than from a pharmicy. so Keep posting bring her here to the forum and let her talk it helps and always welcome to someone trying to get off the meds.
chris
chris
there is a place called cenikor with locations all over the US. the residants are required to work to pay their way. they provide the jobs through contract they have with different businesses....it is an excellent long term rehab....you can google it for more info. it is n ot a cushy rehab for sure.
i personally have never taken methadone but feohmoon is our resident meth expert. she may not be on now but you can pm her and she will get back to you.
glad your daughter decided to take her lice back,,,you are a wonderful grand mother. keep us posted on her progress.
it may be good for her to read here on the forum so see what she will be going through
cathy
i personally have never taken methadone but feohmoon is our resident meth expert. she may not be on now but you can pm her and she will get back to you.
glad your daughter decided to take her lice back,,,you are a wonderful grand mother. keep us posted on her progress.
it may be good for her to read here on the forum so see what she will be going through
cathy
I have not been familiar with that particular drug...whoever signs on to help will need her current daily dose info and how long she has been on it...ask her to be totally honest about it in order to get the help she need...good to have a grandmother like u...she is a lucky girl
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