I need some advice on how to get off the Oxycontin without Methadone

[ocgirl]

I have been doing oc's on and off since 1999.  The first time I tried them I hated it because me and a friend did 120mg that night snorting and taking them by mouth we were so sick that I decided never to try them again.  My x-boyfriend starting getting hooked and we got back together for a short time but I did not realize I was hooked on them as well.  He is now on Methadone but I don't want to do that because I think I can beat this myself.  I have been doing at least 20-80mg at a time.  20's no longer work nor do the 40's so I know it is time to stop plus all my money goes to pills and I hate it.  This is my second day without an oxy and I am feelin pretty shitty as some may know.  I have been taking lorcet 10's to try to help with my withdrawals but I can't even feel those anymore.  I took 5 of them yesterday and still felt really awful. Today I have taken a half of one and did a little bit of an oxcodone IR 5mg.  I am trying but I don't  know if I can do this or not.  I am so sick, I can't sleep, I wake up in cold sweats if I do sleep, I have severe stomach cramps and nausea.  I don't really know what to do except go find another oc but I know that is not the answer.

[GiannaM]

I am not a fan of the methadone clinics as I was there a year and a half before going to inpatient treatment to get off of that stuff. However-you can go to a methadone clinic and tell them you are there to do a detox only off of the oxys. They can set up a safe schedule where you can detox with the least physical effects. Don't let them keep you on there any longer than the original plan. What you will really need to look at is the aftercare you will nedd. The physical is really the least of your worries, because after you get clean is when the real work begins-believe me I know! Good luck and God Bless!

[a549056]

ok kid, your on the right trac, knowin ya gots ta quit. it can be done. im on my 18th day, feelin good. your gonna feel like hell for a while. in my case, after the 4th day, i started feelin better. the doc gave me "levsin" its a anti cramp pill. worked pretty good. also, i walked alot. had ta force myself, but kept walkin. just member this: the withdrawls DO, go away. for me, after 7 days, i had no more pain. now its a mind game for me. so-- read all these posts from these fine folks here for some ideas and try ta keep strong. oh yeah, most important---pray

tom

[a549056]

oh yeah, forgot to tell ya--- i was doin from 100 to 180 mg a day of oxy for bout 5 years.

[skipper]

ocgirl;
welcome to the forum! there will always be room for just one more
junky, so come on in!
maybe i've read it wrong...but did you say <20> 80mg oc /day? wow!
that's a lot of dope! and i thought was quite an "oil burner when i
got loose and going!

first of all you've done quite well going several days without. i
think that a pat on the back is inorder here! now lets get to it!
poke around in the older postings and look for thomas's recipe. be-
sides sugestting the obvious (imodium) you will see a list of min-
erals, amino acids (L-Tyrosine) and vitamens. you can get all of it
from a GNC or any other vitamen store. get on this combination and
stay on it for th next 30 days. if you can find valium, or kloopin
use that the first few days. watch out as these drugs are addictive
in their own rite. also a neural muscle relaxer called bacloven
could prove helpful. MOST IMPORTANTLY, KEEP POSTING

keep an angle on your shoulder
kip

[DIRTBAG]

I AM PRAYING FOR YOUOVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FOR YOU TO FINISH BEING SICK? DOES SMOKING POT HELP? DO YOU HAVE TO STAY HOME WHEN YOU ARE SICK? DOES YOUR WIFE KNOW WHEN YOU ARE SICK AND WHY?  IS SHE HELPFUL OR HURTFUL?  I THINK THAT YOU ARE GOING TO BE FINE THIS TIME, YOU REALLY COME OFF AS A STROMG PERSON TO ME AND I THINK YOU NEED TO PUT YOURSELF FIRST FOR AWHILE AND YOU WILL FIND SUCCESS AND HAPPINESS.

[Goldenbear]

Thank You for the advice about the Ambien. I will avoid taking it unless I am absolutely bugged out and unable to sleep. I could easily take a few puffs and it would be more gratifying than another pill that I could possibly be dependent on... I really appreciate the support and the way everybody cares so much about eachothers fight to get straight. Like a few others I have all of Thomas' recipe (cost me under $40 for everything) to help me with wd. I added one more vitamin/suppliment; Milk Thistle to detoxify my liver. I have been told by a nutritionist it will help the health of my liver emmensly. I just took my last 25mg of Lorcet. I'm kind of scared, but ready to kick it...
Goldenbear

[kell737]

You are so welcome!    Onestep is exactly right about ambien.... It really  screws with your mind.  There would be night I would take  1 pill and about 20 minutes later I was so disoriented!  The next next morning you dont remember anything.   It's actually a drug thats in a lot of controversoy (spelling) right now because of the memory thing.   I would wake up the next morning and  wonder where in the hell I was or  why I was sleeping,  and sometimes didn't remember sleeping at all.  Just be careful with it.    

~KEll

[kell737]

Thank you for responding.  I was wondering because I have a friend that takes it religiously  and I kind of figured  it was addicting.  Is it an optiate?  What makes it habit forming... I know its not a Narcotic...   It's actually not even controlled, so what makes it that way.  

~Kell

[pon]

Hey my friend...you are embarking on your journey tomorrow...I believe you are ready.  You are sounding stronger these last couple of days...I believe in your strength, you believe in it too..it is what you need to make it through.

You KNOW it will be hard, you have been there...and by having been there, you know what to expect...you have the strength to make it Chezz, you really do.

You can do it...I believe in you...do it for YOURSELF.  This can be the first step to a whole new life, one with endless possibilities, one with a new chance at repairing the other parts of your life that hurt you.

Remember, the first 4 days will be the hardest, you made it to 4 last time...this time break through and see the easing that can come after day 4.  You can do this...hang in there and be strong...be strong for you.

My prayers are with you now and will be all through this.  I will be checking the e-mail and post as frequently as I can...e-mail is easier for me to get at, so go there in times of most need.

WE WILL ALL BE HERE FOR YOU CHEZZ...YOU ARE ALWAYS HERE FOR US WE WILL BE HERE FOR YOU.

You can do it..you are my friend and you are STRONGER than you know.

Prayers...I will talk to you tomorrow.

Pon

[ocgirl]

I just got back from GNC and I bought l-tyrosine and b6 is that enough or should I get the multi vitamins to go with it?  I guess if I need the vitamins I will have to get them tomorrow.  I did go get some food it seems to make the pain worse and getting out of the house period seems to make me want to at least get a few 80's just to say I did a few 80's and then decided to kick my habit.  I know I am too far to go back since it has been a little over 72 hours but I want just a piece of one to make me feel better.   I drank a huge margarita tonight trying to make the pain go away but guess what?  It doesn't work at all.  I need some pot or something so I won't be up all night. Oh well if I can make if without my oxy surely I can do without pot unless it just pops up.  Right now it is looking like I will take a phenergan, levsin, and smoke a cig until I can sleep.  Until tomorrow goodnight all and happy detoxing as well.  This **** sucks!

[ultimate high]

how come nobody ever wrote me and said "Welcome to this Board?"  Just curious and I guess it's because I'm not an opiate junkie like I've stated before although I have posted many things on here to help you opiate junkies with withdrawal ideas etc but nobody even says thanx or hey i might try that or tell me more or nothing.  I've messaged Chezz like a hundred times and he never writes back to me.  I've written skipper and he never talks back to me.  What the ****.  Oh well it doesn't really matter.  I scammed a prescription today which is my first scamming adventure but I had never thought of it until reading this board.  I had a prescription refill at one pharmacy but couldn't get it filled till next monday so i called the same doctors office and had him call me in another prescription (because he doesn't keep track very well) which has another refill on it at another pharmacy.  So I picked that up tonight and can get my other refilled at the other pharmacy on Monday.  Oh and I did cut the pills in half to withdraw.  That's a start right?  Well NOT because now I just take both of the halves at once so what's the use.  Do any of you even know what it is that I take or would you have to go back and read some of my posts since nobody really seems to give a ****.  I'll come back here some other time when I move on to the oxycontin and morphine and hell some of the other stuff yall take is so strong.  what's it called formaldehyde or something like that?  Anyway I have alot of damn problems in life too and everybody is so caring with each other and it made me so good to find this place where everyone was so supportive but not a damn person has asked me how I'm doing or how was my tapering schedule or for me to hang in there and I've started fighting the battle just by admitting I had a problem but I dont' get that encouragement.  It would of just been nice to hear those words from somebody.  Especially you Chezz.  You tell every single problem you have even if it was that you found a hair out of place on your head that was giving you pain.  Don't get me wrong, I liked reading your posts and tried to communicate with you but obviously unless I'm taking 200 pills a day, or shooting 18 bags of heroin, or taking 800 mg. of oxycontin then nobody gives a flying ****.  So anyway I wish yall all the best and I'm so sorry that none of you could relate to me since I wasn't and opiate junkie.  And the past several days with people fighting on this board was enough to make anybody wanna take a damn pill or a whole bottle of pills.  My God people have home problems and work problems so why in the hell do they have to create problems on a damn message board.  From now on why don't yall just download AOL Instant Message and you don't need AOL for that either and it's free and create a screen name and exchange screen names so yall can ***** each other out in private instead of ******* up everybody elses day.  Also please don't think I'm feeling sorry for myself.  I'm not and I'm not that type of person. I was happy today and planted tons of flowers and made cupcakes for my step-sons birthday and got a lot of stuff done but I just feel that I was never welcomed by anyone especially the old timers and I feel that I never got any support.  Except for Golden Slipper.  She's the exception.  And thank you Golden Slipper and I will email you privately instead of coming to this soap opera of a message board.  NO DAMN WONDER THE DOCTORS LEFT, it was probably causing them to have to take prozac or valium.  Good luck to all of you but I'm gone from here and won't be back. Yall can say all the bad things about me that you want to or negative things or whatever but I won't be back to read them so don't waste your time.  Take care.
Denise

[kell737]

Just so you know,  Phenergan is a very helpful drug with the detox sickness!  Just be careful with it because it is addictive as well.  I wish you luck an happy detoxing to you as well.

~Kell (47 days clean from Percocet)

[pregnant]

I wrote you all a few threads down under "Why are we here?"
Hope everyone has a good night!
Be thinking of you!
karen
Deva, my Doula-- I'm breaking out in a rash for the 2nd time since being clean. Is this a withdrawl or a pregnancy thing?

[kell737]

First of all, that was the first time that I say you post a comment in this forum.  And second of all, this is not Kindgergarten!   We don't go to corner and pout when we dont get our way.  Dont get me wrong,  your welcome at this forum but a lot of people have problems in here and sometimes things get to where posts dont  go out until the next day, or next week, or next month, when ever that person feels better about themself!  

Everyone in here has a heart of gold and is trying to hard to get through this.  I'm so sorry no one responded to you,  I hope you weren't telling the truth about leaving and not reading anymore post.  (otherwise I'm freakin talking to my damn self) LOL     Keep in touch with me, I try and usually make time for everyone.   Good luck!

~Kell

[Chezz]

I am sorry but your post was the FUNNIEST thing I have read in a while. Especially since I have been off the computer for half the day. I am so fu$$#^ pissed at my hospital/a stand in doctor. My Doc was out. I am so pissssssssssssttttttttttttttttttttttttt. They are fu#$%ing idiots. Even my wife wants me to start a lawsuit.

Anyway, sorry I never replied back to your posts. It is so hard to remember everyone and reply too. And I am at my computer most of the day. A couple people have posted that I hadn't written back to remind me and I did.

Don't be pissed and split. You actually sound pretty cool. I really did like your post on two levels. One it was a bumber to read the reality of it, two I really needed that after the day I had.
Chezz

PS the doc scam ain't good. ;)

[Goldy Loxycontin]

I have read this message forum for mths.  I was never gonna post until your last message.  I know you said you wont be around to read any but just in case I want you to know that I, me, me, and me have benifited soooooooooooooo much from your posts and you sound very educated.  One of the withdrawal recipes you posted is one that i just went out and bought today. i wasn't about to do the recipe from thomas whoever he is because i dont think a receipe that starts out by saying have on hand as many valiums at possible is a very legitimate detox method.  ive also asked my doctor about some of the other overload of thomas vitamins and remedies and also asked a nutrionalist at MCV in Richmond and the doctor and nutri. said the only thing that taking excessive vitamins will do is make you sicker in the long run and you should never take too many vitamins of any kind because of your stomach lining, esophagus lining ect.  i think you have been very helpful on the board and i have to admit i did wonder why hardly nobody responded to you or even tried to give you support or encouragement.  i can tell by how long ive been reading that you are a newer comer but i see new ones come on every day and they get all kinds of responses and help and support. im sorry you didnt really get ackowledged here because i can tell you are person that tries so hard to help others.  some of your posts were long that were explaining the detox methods however they were very informative and such but some of the old timers on here post every single minute of there progress and what there next taper plan is in great detail and they also tell every single new person that comes on the board their whole problem and story over again instead of just saying hey read below and you can read my story.  who would want to type it over and over and over.  it gets kind of redundant but now that ive taken up for you im sure if i became a regular poster that i wouldn't get many responses or recognition either even though i am opiod dependant.  I'd prolly get blasted. also i must say there are so many people here feeeling sorry for themselfs.  you are definitely not one.  your posts are upbeat and helpful and i am happy that you made it 12 days straight. that is an accomplishment although no one said it to you one this board and just remember to try try again.  but some do come here begging for pity or attention and until they get their heads out of there asses they ain't got a prayer in the world.  pity will get you know where but backwards.  please take care denise and here is my email address if you would like to email me and we'll start our own support group together.  it's ***@****  Good luck and i'll miss your posts Take care of you sweetie and thank you so much.

[Chezz]

Thanks all for the good words. YOu too Pon ;)

I have had a sh#$%$ afternoon. I am going to chill with the wife. She can't believe some of the sh$$# I have to deal with sometimes either.

Chezz

[Goldenbear]

I have been reading the posts on this site for two months and feel the will to stop my Lorcet 10/650 addiction. My usage is about 60 mg daily. The people on this site are an incredible group of people capable of opening doors for any addict willing to try to stop using opiates. If you search you will find Thomas' recipe for withdrawel. Today I brought the information to my Doctor and he provided me with a script for Klonopin (for anxiety) and Ambien (to sleep). Currently I still for have 50 Lorcet 10/650 pills in my possesion. I have decided to have my last 25mg of Lorcet tonight before I go to sleep. I have given my wife the rest of the pills earlier this morning and asked her to flush them. She is an angel, asking me if I was sure of my decision. The time has come to bite the bullet. The only way to get off the opiates is to reach down deep and TRY TO DO IT. I know I'm lucky because my wife and doctor know I'm an addict and each of them are giving me great support. I hope you have the same support otherwise your journey could be more difficult. I feel for your situation. Good luck in your fight against the opiates.
Goldenbear

[Moxy-oxy]

Your situation sounds alot like mine..I was taking about 15 OC 80's a day plus supplementing my habit with heroin and dilaudid. When you have a major habit like we have, I believe we have to be more careful than some others on this forum. We were taking such high amounts of opiates that detoxing cold turkey may not be the answer. I am on day three of a 21 day methadone detox schedule and I have already failed once, but at least I get to talk to a doctor periodically and monitor my detox. If you go cold turkey, with the amounts of opiates you are used to taking, the withdrawals may be hell. I am not saying go on methadone necessarily, but unless you really want to punish yourself, (and hey sometimes we need a kick in the ass) I would look into tapering with some other substance. Vicodin would work, but the good thing about going to a clinic is that they administer your dose, and as long as you don't supplement, you can't take more than they give you. How old are you? Do you have any experience with withdrawals? If you are young and particularly crazy you might be able to take the cold turkey withdrawals. I certainly thought about it..but in the end I need to work and I can't be sweating and puking all over actors I am trying to sign for my next movie. You may be in a different situation though

[onestep]

Be very careful withh the Ambein...I have been on it for 5 months and and noticed a few moths ago that I was getting really, really depressed. My suggestion as well as my doctors is take only half each night. It has an amsesia ( spelling ) effect as well and if you wake up at night you can do things you don't remember. That's why on call doctors don't take the stuff...imagine being called in...amputating someones leg and not remembering the next day..:-) Also...I'm sure you've been told...it really is for short term use...5 to 7 days. But if you use just a half it should help you go to sleep...if not chemicaly..pshycologicly.

Due to it's effects on memory it would really screw me up by waking in the morning saying " jesus...did I sleep ? I don't remember sleeping so therefore I must not have slept...gee I'm tired...tonight I'm taking twice as much " Then I really didn't remember sleeping...:-) So it's a circle...

Good luck though....you might want to try Restaril ( temazepam )..might leave you a bit groggy but you will remember sleeping...:-)

[kell737]

Can anyone tell me anything about the drug Soma?  (Generic: Carisoprodol) ....  Is it habit forming?   Any info is appreciated.  Thanks

~Kell  ( 47 days clean)

[Bodymechanic]

I would suggest that you taper.  The easiest way to do this is  by pill size.  Take a 60 mg for a week then switch to a 40 mg for a week till you get to 10 mg's.  You will be off in a month with very little discomfort. It has been my experience that the fear of the withdrawals is always worse than the withdrawals themselves.  

You can use methadone as some have suggested but don't take it for more than 5 days.  You don't want any part of a methadone habit. Plan for long term sobriety.  You have crossed the bridge from receational user to addicted user and there is no way get back.

Bodymechanic

[alexandra_r]

Just my 2 cents (for whatever its worth).  I was addicted to heroin for about 4 years and decided to do a methadone detox.  I failed at this 3 times, at which point they suggested I go on methadone maintenance.  This was the worst thing I have ever been through--I hated going to drink my "juice" every morning, standing in line, dependent on some screwed up government drug beaurocracy to give me my fix.  Then when I kicked methadone, it was 2 weeks of acute, painful withdrawal (made the kick from heroin seem like a walk in the f***king partk!), 2 months of feeling REALLY bad and 6 months of feeling lousy.  IF you decide to go the methadone route--be Vewy vewy cawefuw.  

I have been to hell and it's called methadone withdrawal . . .

[kell737]

Hi everyone.  I know I haven't posted in awhile.  I had a family emergency in Florida and was gone for 2 weeks.  

Just so you all know I am 47 days clean!  I feel reall good, even have my energy back somewhat.  The depression still bothers me sometimes but I figure if I can get those withdrawls  I can get through this!   I was reading goldenbears post where the doctor gave you Ambien......  BE CAREFUL with that drug!!  I can not stress that enough.  Yes, it WILL help you sleep but it is very very very addictive!  

Hope everyone is doing well.  Glad to be back.