I'm sorry that YOU aren't strong enough to have pills around and NOT take them.

[beachtowel]

No addict is strong enough!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sorry but to hear I stopped taking 30 pills a day and have now tapered to 15 a day has nothing to do with recovery.

Recovery is about ZERO pills, its about DETOX, its about SUPPORT,
to Sustain it.

NA a meetings are essential to recovery, it just isn't about not taking drugs. That is only half the battle, when you quit you still have a lot of work to do..........

Sorry if I offended anyone, but this tapering thing is getting old..............

[cforster]

So remind me again how long you have been sober?  Your way really worked for you in the past didn't it.  Thats statistics for you.....

[DAnthrope]

They HAVE to beat you down, so that you SURRENDER - in their OWN words, you MUST SURRENDER YOUR POWER, ADMIT DEFEAT, AND ACCEPT that ONLY GOD can help you.

So yeah, it makes beach feel great to beat you (and me) down.  
He really believes he's helping you that way.

If anyone doesn't believe, just read their own words.  What I say above is exactly what -3- different people have said here today.

/D

[cforster]

How many AA/NA meeting have you attended?  Why are you so quick to put down something that has literally helped millions stay sober?

You are obviously a very smart person.  Anyone who reads your posts will not argue that fact.  

However, can you give me some success rates on your method?  

I don't like to get into these types of conversations, but come on?

I mean, lets get to the basics.  There are millions of people who have gotten sober....and stayed sober in aa/na.  Do you really think we are about cutting people down?  NO.  Do I come off too strong sometimes....no doubt.  If I offend someone....really, I'm not sorry.  This thing is life and death.  I have personally seen 3 of my old using friends die in the past 10 months.  It hurts, and I'm tired of seeing it.  You can enable someone to take one more, and tell them its ok, and baby them. OR, tell them its not ok, it your hurts yourself and THOSE AROUND YOU.  

All too many times I see people argue with the fact that the 12 steps work.  Why?  Usually because they can't get honest with theirself.  So my prayer is that they feel enough pain, and try their own way, and live.  Live to ask for help from someone with some real sobriety under their belt who knows what they are talking about.

What the 12 steps actually do is is get you out of self, and prep you to do the next right thing.....Gods will....
My will got me high, all my bright ideas on how to get sober got me high....it hurt me and my family, eventually I stopped fighting it, and surrendured to God, worked the steps....and here I am.


I will continue to pray for you

[Taffy101]

Maybe none of my business, but everyone else is adding their 2 cents here, thought I'd drop in mine as well... I just wanted to agree with texasrecca about the statement she made, "You (meaning DA) have helped me more than anyone!" I wanted Da, and texasrecca and Marcie4 to know that everytime I have posted something about "Failure" or feeling that I will "NEVER" make it, you didn't kick me while I was down, you incouraged me to make it... You showed me strength, and still are, that I didn't know I had... I am a very touchy person, I take things that people say to heart... maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong... But I have to disagree with BT... I think that was way out of line to call someone that was tappering a "failure"... Does it make you feel good to bring other's down?

[DAnthrope]

THANK YOU for saying-  I think we should remember that even the people preaching intolerance are trying their best to help others.  It's not easy to keep coming back here, honestly.  I'm starting to really live life again and have much to catch up on!  And I have no patience for intolerance and ignorance.

But there are several here that seem inspired by my words and find their OWN strength inside to keep going - and for them I say, THANK YOU, and pray for the courage to forge ahead and be here for those that need a helping hand instead of a cold slap.

Peace - and remember I am following your progress!
/D

[pgnscared]

I am not one to get involved with this back and forth **** about who is doing what, when, and how. But I do have to say that this totally hurt my feelings. I was very successful with my taper and even came to work all week, including day 1, with very, very mild W/D's. I couldn't have done that without tapering. I wasn't putting off the inevitable I KNEW I WANTED TO QUIT. I choose the taper so I wouldn't have the runs the sweats, the aches, the **** I couldn't deal with the first time I tried C/T; the day I found out I was pregnant. Not to mention that if I had chosen the C/T method I might not still be with child. So you can't dismiss tapering some of us truly need it. I agree with trying an AA/NA meeting but that too does not work for some of us. When I was recovering from cocaine in my early 20's I found that AA/NA meetings made me want the drug even more. I would listen to their stories and remember all the good times I had using the drug and I would think, that wasn't so bad and I would leave jonesing. I never went to another meeting and haven't touched the stuff since. So please be tolerable of others as the people around you have, we are all human with different wants, needs, and reasons.