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I think you'll get the help you need here. I have seen posted here the advice to take four grams, that's 4,000 milligrams of L-Lysine and 200 milligrams of B6 every other morning on a totally empty stomach and then wait at least an hour before you eat anything.
The thinking, which sounds logical to me, is that opiates replace the brain's natural endorphins and the brain stops making them in favor of the opiates. You stop taking the opiates and there's no endorphins waiting in the wings to step in and make you feel OK. So you feel like **** instead. The Lysine is what your brain needs to make more endorphins and other neurotransmitters; the B6 is a catalyst in that process. I take Lysine and B6 in order to help smooth out the mood swings consequent to taking 100 mg oxycontin twice a day. I take this stuff for nerve-involved spinal injuries, and I suppose I'll never stop unless they find a way to deal with the pain some other way.
Anyhow, I've seen others post the above advice. I know it works in smaller doses for mood swings. It should work for you. If you've gone 64 hours cold turkey, you should be able to kick this stuff. I, for one, will be rooting for you from the sidelines just like Walter Cronkite urging the moon shot off the pad. I, we, all need to see you make it off this ****. I think it helps everyone when anyone beats opiates. Go for it!
Francoise
The thinking, which sounds logical to me, is that opiates replace the brain's natural endorphins and the brain stops making them in favor of the opiates. You stop taking the opiates and there's no endorphins waiting in the wings to step in and make you feel OK. So you feel like **** instead. The Lysine is what your brain needs to make more endorphins and other neurotransmitters; the B6 is a catalyst in that process. I take Lysine and B6 in order to help smooth out the mood swings consequent to taking 100 mg oxycontin twice a day. I take this stuff for nerve-involved spinal injuries, and I suppose I'll never stop unless they find a way to deal with the pain some other way.
Anyhow, I've seen others post the above advice. I know it works in smaller doses for mood swings. It should work for you. If you've gone 64 hours cold turkey, you should be able to kick this stuff. I, for one, will be rooting for you from the sidelines just like Walter Cronkite urging the moon shot off the pad. I, we, all need to see you make it off this ****. I think it helps everyone when anyone beats opiates. Go for it!
Francoise
I am just a little confused...did you mane Lysine or Tyrosine that spook had talked about? curious as to which one because ironically I was on my way out the door to by the Tyrosien which I know spook recommends 4000 mgs...with the B6 thanks cin
I think cindi is right it is 4000 mgs of L-Trosine and 200 mg of B-6 on an empty tummy every other day for about a week or so...Lots of water, Imodium brand name for sure at any sign of the runs. It worked for me, I'm 19 days clean now and feeling great! Give it a try and DON"T GIVE UP! You CAN do this! we will be praying for you and monitoring you progress. If you need anything come here for all the support. A lot of great people here with a LOT of experience in all phases of dependence, addiction and recovery.
Magick & Power 2u,
Gods light & peace on you always,
Wizard
Hi Cindi & Francoise! Thanks for getting to G-kar...I read it on the run early and he's been on my mind all day...couldn't post back till now!
Love to you ALL!
Wiz
Magick & Power 2u,
Gods light & peace on you always,
Wizard
Hi Cindi & Francoise! Thanks for getting to G-kar...I read it on the run early and he's been on my mind all day...couldn't post back till now!
Love to you ALL!
Wiz
Your perdicament is near and dear to my heart! Honestly, the feeling never quite goes away once addiction has started. I have tried Tyrosine and B6 and find that it does help with motivation and energy. You will invariably get through all the physical sides of codiene but possibly never be able to conquer the mental part. It's sad, I know...but you can do it as have many of us who have preceded you here. My best advise is the twelve steps of recovery...one at a time and in real time, with a sponsor. Please check it out! We could go on and on about our histories here but remember that all the stories end the same way. Simply put, this is a life and death matter and there's no time like the present to get started on the road to recovery. I wish you nothing but the best, my friend ,and will always try to help you when you are hurting and need a shoulder to lean on. J.B.
Hi Again, I am soooo sorry i was not able to respond to you earlier i was on my way out of the door,,,,Please,, hang in there...The people on this forum including myself have been there, it can be done perserverance, determination and most of all willingness which is the key word which it sounds to me like you have a ton of willingness...more that i ever had when I got clean..64 hours is great,,,It should all be calming down soon and then the work begins believe it or not getting clean is the easy part, staying clean is what is the more difficult part....if you give us a chance here we can hlep you, guide you and offer advice and suggestions based on our experience, hope and strength...what you do with the advice is your call but who to better help you than other people who have been there and done that....my prayers actually my friends here on the forum won't mind me speaking for them OUR prayers are with you keep us posted and good luck my friend and welcome to the forum This here is my little piece of Heaven...I have been to different forums and the people here...are wonderful ok here it comes,,,,the tears...when I think of the people here it actually brings tears to my eyes because even though I have no faces to go with the names they are the most compassionate, kind and caring people I have ever met...per se..the weird thing is alot of them know what I am going to say (type) before I even do it....come here, seek their advice, they will not steer you wrong, JB, Tom, Brighty, Angelica, Diane, they helped me through the most horrific time of my life and they along with my new friends Wiz, Kerrie, Pelle...as well as the others, I could not ask for better peeple and you won't be sorry either...This, I promise you.....good luck and God bless Love to all cin
You're almost there, but it's L-Tyrosine, not L-Lysine. Otherwise, that's the regime. I'm frankly amazed at how you use the dope, though. You go all day, and then swallow 14 codeine#3 at once! It must feel great when that kicks in! I've always used basically around the clock. If I've got some, why not stay in the space as long as possible?
It will take your brain time to start making its own endorphins. I can only suggest daily aerobic exercise, Valium (the best of the benzos for treating narcotic withdrawal, in my vast experience (unfortunately, no joke intended), hot baths or hopefully hot Jacuzzis as often as you can, and some kind of support group. I go to AA. There is also NA. Most alcoholics are pill junkies, too, so you will get help from either avenue.
Just know that you're a normal, decent human being with the same problem as millions and millions - and millions to come. Don't be ashamed. But take action. Seek out one of these groups. They help more than you can know, even when you're like me -- I love opiates. Not really like them. I LOVE rx narcotics. I have to deal with that daily. Having A.A. has given me strength I didn't have before. I'm still trying to get of Zanax without having a seizure (I've had 3 now), so I'm no AA poster boy. Good luck to you both. Fran
It will take your brain time to start making its own endorphins. I can only suggest daily aerobic exercise, Valium (the best of the benzos for treating narcotic withdrawal, in my vast experience (unfortunately, no joke intended), hot baths or hopefully hot Jacuzzis as often as you can, and some kind of support group. I go to AA. There is also NA. Most alcoholics are pill junkies, too, so you will get help from either avenue.
Just know that you're a normal, decent human being with the same problem as millions and millions - and millions to come. Don't be ashamed. But take action. Seek out one of these groups. They help more than you can know, even when you're like me -- I love opiates. Not really like them. I LOVE rx narcotics. I have to deal with that daily. Having A.A. has given me strength I didn't have before. I'm still trying to get of Zanax without having a seizure (I've had 3 now), so I'm no AA poster boy. Good luck to you both. Fran
JB, my friend, I wanted to tell you that your reply to G,Kar was eloquent, really quite beautiful. You bring a unique quality to this forum. My best to Marty.
All the best
Thomas
All the best
Thomas
just wanted to say that it's good to read your words ... don't go anyaway anytime soon.
I am relatively new to this forum also. So far, i have been amazed at all the knowledge and support i have found here.
Stay with us, and i think you stand a great chance of success.
I will be joining you soon in trying to win this battle of addiction.
Your words are so familiar to me, hang in there, you can beat this!!!!
You have taken a major step towards beating your addiction, you hate what the pills are doing to you. Keep hating them, hate them with everything that you've got!
Cling on to everything that brings you happiness in your life (not the pills of course), and focus on all that you have to fight for!!!!!!! Yourself being the main thing, but think about how your children need a father who is there for them, fully!
You sound like a wonderful person, you are worth the fight!!!!!
Prayers for you!
Lv Jenny
Stay with us, and i think you stand a great chance of success.
I will be joining you soon in trying to win this battle of addiction.
Your words are so familiar to me, hang in there, you can beat this!!!!
You have taken a major step towards beating your addiction, you hate what the pills are doing to you. Keep hating them, hate them with everything that you've got!
Cling on to everything that brings you happiness in your life (not the pills of course), and focus on all that you have to fight for!!!!!!! Yourself being the main thing, but think about how your children need a father who is there for them, fully!
You sound like a wonderful person, you are worth the fight!!!!!
Prayers for you!
Lv Jenny
Long time no see, or maybe I've been distracted. LOL
I don't know if you rem. me, but I've just been put on the Oxy's, and I'll probably get bombarded for this, but they are the only and I mean only thing, that has releived my pain.
My doctor had to assure me that it was ok......as long as I didn't tamper w/ it. LOL The bottle sat on my shelf for days, I was scared to death to take it Re: the media expose'. When I took the first one...I sat in a chair and didn't move, fearing I'd have some acid/lsd like trip or something. Well, 1hr passed, and no euphoria,no high, no side effects whatsoever. My doctor said true chronic painers will react to it that way, and this means that I have true chronic pain. I only take 1 20mg tablet a day and vicodin for breakthrough. I've been pain free for 2 weeks now. So far I havent abused my meds....but maybe we can keep each other in line, and informed. LOL I heard there are some real problems w/ regulation over this medication. So we may have to go through the withdrawals together if its taken off the market....LOL I know that's not too funny. Anyway this new doctor has decided to leave, and go back to his home town. So untill I find another dr. I am only taking one a day.....He prescribed two. I am doing this so the withdrawals won't be to bad, if I cannot find a new dr. to continue this treatment. I know this is safe for long term use. I was worried about liver damage too.
Best wishes,
Angelica
I don't know if you rem. me, but I've just been put on the Oxy's, and I'll probably get bombarded for this, but they are the only and I mean only thing, that has releived my pain.
My doctor had to assure me that it was ok......as long as I didn't tamper w/ it. LOL The bottle sat on my shelf for days, I was scared to death to take it Re: the media expose'. When I took the first one...I sat in a chair and didn't move, fearing I'd have some acid/lsd like trip or something. Well, 1hr passed, and no euphoria,no high, no side effects whatsoever. My doctor said true chronic painers will react to it that way, and this means that I have true chronic pain. I only take 1 20mg tablet a day and vicodin for breakthrough. I've been pain free for 2 weeks now. So far I havent abused my meds....but maybe we can keep each other in line, and informed. LOL I heard there are some real problems w/ regulation over this medication. So we may have to go through the withdrawals together if its taken off the market....LOL I know that's not too funny. Anyway this new doctor has decided to leave, and go back to his home town. So untill I find another dr. I am only taking one a day.....He prescribed two. I am doing this so the withdrawals won't be to bad, if I cannot find a new dr. to continue this treatment. I know this is safe for long term use. I was worried about liver damage too.
Best wishes,
Angelica
<font face=comic sans ms, arial, verdana color=navy size=2> <B> I'm sorry to interupt, and I do not mean to be disrespectful to the original poster- I wish you luck and success and faith on your journey...you sound so intellectually sound that I know you will make it!
Anyway I posted here before...when I posted before, I told you all about how I am 20 years old (I'm 21 now.) and my liver, kidneys, and stomach lining are shot due to ALL the acetominiphen and ibuprophen I have been given since the age of 3. One doc, when I was 15, actually PUT me on 2 bottles of excedrine migraine a week. Of course none of this helped the pain in any way whatsoever. I was in constant, awful pain. Then I finally went to a Pain Management doctor this year...and for the first time ever in my life, found relief through Norco, a stronger version of Vicondin/Lortab. At the time I posted, I was taking only three pills per day. But I quickly learned that yes, a drug like this can help me, but I also build up a tolerance to it very quickly. I am up to EIGHT pills a day now for about 80% pain relief. My doc says this is OK, though he doe say 8 is the limit. So my scripts are totally legit and legal, even though I am usually treated like **** by pharmacists who think I'm a faker...so that is not my problem. My problem is dependance. Last week I took myself off the meds for one week to see if I could do it. I did, but it was MISERABLE...I am so worried about when I have to quit. I would eventually like to get pregnant...what happens then? My doc also gave me oxycontin and methodone to try for pain relief and I *hated* both of those, so he says I am not predisposed to addiction if I hated oxycontin after taking it 5 days.
I need to know what others think...should I just deal with the pain and stop alltogther or wait until I have to? I am really at a crossroads here...I can't function with migraine pain, but I don't want to be cought in the web of addiction, either. Right now I'm taking 80 mgs of hydrocodone a day, and 2.6 g of acetominiphen...the limit is 3 g so I am OK there, I think.
Anyway...I am just so confused right now.
Also, I have the WORST problem with people stealing my meds...even in my own house. :-(
Anyway I posted here before...when I posted before, I told you all about how I am 20 years old (I'm 21 now.) and my liver, kidneys, and stomach lining are shot due to ALL the acetominiphen and ibuprophen I have been given since the age of 3. One doc, when I was 15, actually PUT me on 2 bottles of excedrine migraine a week. Of course none of this helped the pain in any way whatsoever. I was in constant, awful pain. Then I finally went to a Pain Management doctor this year...and for the first time ever in my life, found relief through Norco, a stronger version of Vicondin/Lortab. At the time I posted, I was taking only three pills per day. But I quickly learned that yes, a drug like this can help me, but I also build up a tolerance to it very quickly. I am up to EIGHT pills a day now for about 80% pain relief. My doc says this is OK, though he doe say 8 is the limit. So my scripts are totally legit and legal, even though I am usually treated like **** by pharmacists who think I'm a faker...so that is not my problem. My problem is dependance. Last week I took myself off the meds for one week to see if I could do it. I did, but it was MISERABLE...I am so worried about when I have to quit. I would eventually like to get pregnant...what happens then? My doc also gave me oxycontin and methodone to try for pain relief and I *hated* both of those, so he says I am not predisposed to addiction if I hated oxycontin after taking it 5 days.
I need to know what others think...should I just deal with the pain and stop alltogther or wait until I have to? I am really at a crossroads here...I can't function with migraine pain, but I don't want to be cought in the web of addiction, either. Right now I'm taking 80 mgs of hydrocodone a day, and 2.6 g of acetominiphen...the limit is 3 g so I am OK there, I think.
Anyway...I am just so confused right now.
Also, I have the WORST problem with people stealing my meds...even in my own house. :-(
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One more thing I wanted to add- I don't, nor have I ever gotten a "high" from my medicine. I think I am just resistant to stuff like that -a good thing- so there is no "feeling" to miss except for pain relief, when and if I do quit.
Is there a medicine that's *NOT* an NSAID that *DOES* work for pain? (That isn't narcotic, I mean)
One more thing I wanted to add- I don't, nor have I ever gotten a "high" from my medicine. I think I am just resistant to stuff like that -a good thing- so there is no "feeling" to miss except for pain relief, when and if I do quit.
Is there a medicine that's *NOT* an NSAID that *DOES* work for pain? (That isn't narcotic, I mean)
Hello People, I haven't posted for a while because I've had some dificulties with relapse! I went five full weeks (Talked to you Wiz) and then talked my doc into a refill of Norco 10/325. I tried to limit my intake from 2 to 4 pills aday. In 6 days i'm at three a day and running out. Tom J.B., Will I have to go through the same intense detox as before when I came of of 8 to 10 a day. should I stop right now and will I have lesser symptoms. I am feeling real bad about relapeing for such a short time and not even a high to go with it! anyone tempted by picking up Please head. IT IS NOT WORTH IT! FIGHT TO STAY FREE! Thanks to all of you for any help! Love and god bless you all. Shane
First of all, I'm sorry to hear that you have these problems with your stomache,liver and kidneys. Maybe it's too early in the morning but I didn't see why you needed all this pain medication since the age of three.
I suffer from chronic liver disease and it feels like being in withdrawals all the time! I take 20 mgs of oxycodone daily just to stay functional. It does not make me high, just functional.
After reading many posts on the Chronic Pain Forum, I've come to the conclusion that narcotic pain relievers are the best and safest way to deal with chronic pain. My own doctor believes this is the best way to deal with me and as long as I don't abuse his regime of treatment, I'm fine.
Am I still an addict? Yes, always. Am I dependent on narcotics to survive? Definately. It gets to the point where it's not fun anymore...just a necessity like a good bowel movement. Be prepared to lose a lot of personnal freedom and self esteem in the process of becoming a narcotic dependent person.
To those who consume large amounts of alcohol and Tylenol: Be advised that Terminal liver and kidney disease is very painful!!! If you dread withdrawal from any drug; imagine living in that state for the rest of your life! J.B.
I suffer from chronic liver disease and it feels like being in withdrawals all the time! I take 20 mgs of oxycodone daily just to stay functional. It does not make me high, just functional.
After reading many posts on the Chronic Pain Forum, I've come to the conclusion that narcotic pain relievers are the best and safest way to deal with chronic pain. My own doctor believes this is the best way to deal with me and as long as I don't abuse his regime of treatment, I'm fine.
Am I still an addict? Yes, always. Am I dependent on narcotics to survive? Definately. It gets to the point where it's not fun anymore...just a necessity like a good bowel movement. Be prepared to lose a lot of personnal freedom and self esteem in the process of becoming a narcotic dependent person.
To those who consume large amounts of alcohol and Tylenol: Be advised that Terminal liver and kidney disease is very painful!!! If you dread withdrawal from any drug; imagine living in that state for the rest of your life! J.B.
As always, it's good hearing from you, my friend! There's been a certain amount of "character building" quality in your posts of late. I imagine it is due to working a good program. If you can stay focused along this line, your true dignity, power and brilliance will only continue to grow in strength. Sobriety like addiction is a progressive thing. Thank God you have chosen the right side to stay on! J.B.
P.S. Marty has been told that there is no more point in treating her cancer....just live in peace! Each day is a blessing for some of us. Others act like there's "no tomorrow".
P.S. Marty has been told that there is no more point in treating her cancer....just live in peace! Each day is a blessing for some of us. Others act like there's "no tomorrow".
Please keep us posted RE: Marty. I appreciate your post a great deal. I hope you stay w/ us and keep us informed. I worry about you. You are right, about how some of us act like there is no tomorrow. This is so true. I appreciate your straightforwardness. You too, are a genuine person. Prayers your way.
LOVE, angelica
LOVE, angelica
Please keep us posted RE: Marty. I appreciate your post a great deal. I hope you stay w/ us and keep us informed. I worry about you. You are right, about how some of us act like there is no tomorrow. This is so true. I appreciate your straightforwardness. You too, are a genuine person. Prayers your way.
LOVE, angelica
LOVE, angelica
JB- I have daily, vision-impairing migraines. I can't function with them and the pain is so awful it makes me wish for death. They had me on NSAIDS in large volume from age 3 to age 19 and I NEVER found any pain relief, not even one time.
My doctor says narcotics are the safest way to deal with me, too. I take norco because I am so heavily dependant on tylenol now, but it has a small amount. I don't want to lose any freedom. :-(
My doctor says narcotics are the safest way to deal with me, too. I take norco because I am so heavily dependant on tylenol now, but it has a small amount. I don't want to lose any freedom. :-(
This is why Oxycontin was given to you in the first place. It has NO tylenol, and can be titrated when needed. As long as this medication is NOT tampered w/, then there should be no problem. Now, about people taking your meds. Well, this is one of the questions the pain dr. asked me. To prevent diversion. He asked about everyone in my family. If there was someone w/ a problem, he couldn't prescribe the mediation. But honesty is also a problem, and doctors cant' read your mind.
I am going to refer you to a website.....***@**** go to egroups. If you want a peek at my story,(to spare everyone from IT again) here is a link, although I don't know how to make it hot, so that you can just click on it. Actually go to this thread, : Narcotics for Chronic pain - pixie 4/17/2001 There is a hotlink under annie's post somewhere. This is my former name. Its starts w/ virtualempire or something. I haven't been there in a while, so It may not be up anymore.
JB is a good person for you to talk to. He has liver problems, and is very insightful, and he's been there and back again.
Angelica
I am going to refer you to a website.....***@**** go to egroups. If you want a peek at my story,(to spare everyone from IT again) here is a link, although I don't know how to make it hot, so that you can just click on it. Actually go to this thread, : Narcotics for Chronic pain - pixie 4/17/2001 There is a hotlink under annie's post somewhere. This is my former name. Its starts w/ virtualempire or something. I haven't been there in a while, so It may not be up anymore.
JB is a good person for you to talk to. He has liver problems, and is very insightful, and he's been there and back again.
Angelica
GET BACK IN THE FIGHT! Shane, it's OKAY brother! You were there for me WE are here for you! One of my preveious posts I said about myself "even if relapse is emminent, I will try,try and try again". Shane, you can too! We are human and I think the term is."**** HAPPENS" Keep the faith and all will be okay. I will keep you in my prayers. You have nothing to be ashamed about. Believe in yourself! I tried many times before this time to do it. Fight the "Dragon" and lean on me!
Peace & Light
Power & Magick 2 U,
Wizard
Peace & Light
Power & Magick 2 U,
Wizard
Thanks so much Wiz. It means alot to hear from you at this awful time. I cant beleive I now have to go through all this withdrawal again,And for what? a couple lousy high's. If you ever get tempted Wiz pull this thread up or post a line to me. IT is not worth it. EVER. Hold your ground. I hear your story and I still have hope because you are making it. God bless you and I'll be thinking of you. Peace to you Wiz, and God bless all of you dealing with this terrible desease. Shane
You do the same dude! Every time the "Dragon" calls come HERE like I do. It's how I keep him at bay. PLEASE keep me posted on your progress. I'm in your corner and rooting / praying for you.
Magick & Power 2 U,
Wiz
Magick & Power 2 U,
Wiz
Hey, it's good to see you post.
Yep that oxycontin is very good for people in chronic pain. I don't believe that the gummint will try to outlaw that drug. It is too good for the people who need it. And besides, I don't believe I could go through the withdrawal. I think I'd off myself within the first 24 hours.
I'm still on the same hundred mg twice a day I've always been on. And I plan on staying that way. I fooled around with it for a while and when I decided to get back to the amount prescribed and no more, it kicked my butt for seven endless months. I'd rather be dead than go through that again.
Francoise
Yep that oxycontin is very good for people in chronic pain. I don't believe that the gummint will try to outlaw that drug. It is too good for the people who need it. And besides, I don't believe I could go through the withdrawal. I think I'd off myself within the first 24 hours.
I'm still on the same hundred mg twice a day I've always been on. And I plan on staying that way. I fooled around with it for a while and when I decided to get back to the amount prescribed and no more, it kicked my butt for seven endless months. I'd rather be dead than go through that again.
Francoise
Smart move! One thing I've learned is never to take my pain for granted, therefore respecting the medication. I had tried to live w/ the pain (constant aches sometimes severe), but my husband said I was wearing down, and withdrawing from life. He had never told me he felt that way about me, untill these last few weeks, when I started to MOVE again. LOL I hadn't even realized that I was withdrawn. This is what learning to live w/ the pain did to me.
Re: the gammut.....maybe they won't remove the medication from the market, but doctors may become reluctant to prescribe it. Taking all of these issues into consideration, I am being very reserved w/ it. I know withdrawals are a nightmare......just listen to our fellow forum friends here. I feel for them, and what they have gone through over this medication.
Keep in touch!
Angelica
Re: the gammut.....maybe they won't remove the medication from the market, but doctors may become reluctant to prescribe it. Taking all of these issues into consideration, I am being very reserved w/ it. I know withdrawals are a nightmare......just listen to our fellow forum friends here. I feel for them, and what they have gone through over this medication.
Keep in touch!
Angelica
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