Klonopin and Valium

[SKC]

I'm a recovering drug addict,opiates, I have to give DUS, I take Remeron and Klonopin for depression and Panic Disorder. I have had 2 test come back positive for valium.  I have not taking anything but I started drinking SOBE drinks and taking 2 natural diet supplements. Is there anyway possible to have a Positive for valium taking and drinking these products?  My urines have been sent to a different lab for retesting. This will take 3 weeks and my anxiety level is way up. I have been on benzos for over 20 years for panic attacks. I have taken them all at one time or another but the Klonopin has worked well and so has the Remeron.  I also have been on several anti-depressants and Remeron is the one that I've been able to take.  I got addictted to opiates due to plantar fibromas growing on both my feet soles, 7 in one for and 3 in the other. They have been removed but 2 have come back on one foot.  I have to wait a year before I can get these removed because I had a reaction to cortisone. Thank you!

[mntwister]

PS: VALIUM and all benzos (klonopon ) act the same way in the long term.

[mntwister]

Hello, I have just joined what I think will be a helpful forum. In 1994, I had my first panic attack. The doctors then put me on Klonopon, 3mg a day, which I was on up until 4 months ago, when I checked into the hospital for treatment of cocaine/crack. I knew I was addicted to the klonopon after that many years, and really never increased my dose except on the 2 nights a week I did cocaine.  My point here is, although you do not mention problems with addiction to klonopon, PLEASE try other methods to ease your suffering besides these benzos, which I was taught at the treatment center are really only good for short term anxiety and sleep problems, it is not meant for long term.  They put me on pheno-barbitol (spelling?) so I would not have a seizure coming off the klonopon. I was miserable for over a week, and after that, I started to feel weird things happen, such as being scared to death from a tap on the shoulder, horrid dreams, strange feelings in my legs and arms. I was informed that because my system was sedated for so long, this was over-reaction of the central nervous system, now "feeling" things as they really are, not tranquilized.  I have been off of it for 3 months now, and must say that everything, hearing, smelling, tasting, sexual activity, all are much better. The anxiety is gone, strangely enough, I realized I was only taking to klonopon to avoid the horrible withdrawl, which happened every time I tried to stop myself...the treatment center and doctors said that there is no way after that long on the drug was the same dose even working anymore.  It's all a vicious circle....I am not saying the drug is bad for EVERYTHING, but from the horror I went through I would like to offer you my experience hoping that it can help at least one person from going through the same thing> Good luck and lots of love. Robert

[SKC]

I'm so glad you found another Doctor. I hope everything works out for you now.  I'm still waiting for the final drug analysis to come back.  They still say Klonopin had nothing to do with the +.  Its in Gods hands and he and I know the truth!  Good luck and I'll say hey to all and LOL Sandi

[jennyfla]

Sounds like you're on your way Kathy, so glad you found a good doctor!
Good luck!
Lv Jenny

[Angelica]

....I'm so happy for you.  I really appreciate your enthusiasm about this fine group, as I'm sure everyone does.  Now that you've found a new doctor.... if anything, you should consider, at least, writing a letter to this other doctor.  I have become a firm believer in "voicing my opinion" where my health is concerned... it's up to us to initiate change.  In a word: "hit 'em w/ both barrels!" LOL  You go girl(Kathy)!....
Love,
Angelica (:

[Pixieo2]

HI Yea my Friends,
This Is meant for those of you who took the time out of your life's to help someone like me when Indeed I needed this help more then you'll ever know.

So! SKC and Witchywoman and also Angelica along with wildcat......LOL.... there's so many to thank <VBG>=very big grin. Jennyfla Psst! you and all these other great folks have shared and given me the strength I needed to get help and back on track <BG> Cindi and so many others here on this forum,
YOU GUYS ARE GREAT !!!.....
I found a Wonderful doctor who had agreed that my original doctor should HAVE Never dropped the Valium medication which I was on for so many years . I really don't think I could have gotten through those rough times without the support that all of you had given me. I am still trying to get over what took place In my life and the doctor said It's going to take a couple of weeks to steady my nerves and body back.
I thought I would keep you posted !! Gee I don't know how to work around this forum.LOL... either I didn't know where I should have written that I wanted to receive mail, but I guess I botched that at that time as well. I'm going to get myself straightened out and see If I can help yea here a little bit.  Trust me It's only been four days but the mere thought has got me feeling better. Your all In my prayers <BG> and yea I mentioned all of you to the new doctor. {{{{ HUGS}}} to all and I'll be back In a few days .....  My Email address Is below <G> Maybe someone can share
where I'm supposed to fill out how to receive mail on this forum :)....

                                              Sincerely,
                                            ***@****
                                               or Kathy :).......

PS I'll be snapping my
fingers and bopping before I know it... LOL...
God Bless all of U.......with lot's of Love :)

[SKC]

I know that both valium and Klonopin are benzo's, but the Lab says I'm taking valium and I'm only taking the Klonopin.  They did a Spectrographic Analysis of the urine and it stated Valium.  Why would this be?  I have not taken any Valium or any other benzos except the Klonopin and the lab knows that my test will be (+) for benzos and for the Klonopin. Talk about anxiety, I'm doing all the tools that I have learned in my recovery to use to prevent relapses and this really has me upset.  I dont want or have the desire to use, but I will be testing for 5 years and I've been on benzos 20+ years and have tried other meds for my Panic Disorder and other methods of controlling these but with no avail.  Thanks for your response. SKC

[SKC]

Thanks Thomas for being such a great help.  I have 11/2 wks left to see what the outcome from the other lab says about the Valium. This sure makes me uncomfortable what you said and I guess if they decide to say its Valium than I've lost my job. I hope my "HP" will step in.  Thanks again for your concern and in fo!!!  Sandi, Pixie I hope things are going better for you, and thanks for your concern, FYI, LOL means Lots of Love, and you can call me Sandi.  I hope you head to what other people have said and continue to hang in there!  Cindi and Francoise and WW, I say hi to you all!!!    LOL Sandi

[Angelica]

.....Actually, there was someone here w/ the handle Pixie, but I haven't heard from her in a while.  I thought maybe you were her.
Listen, I know you feel horrible right now....but it doesn't cost a dime to speak w/ an attorney......and they will bare all the expense.  You wouldn't have to do a thing....they'll do it all.  Your probably thinking, I need my doctor and can't take the risks, but this could be looked into when your in a much better place in life.  Just consider it....later on.  You do have to much going on right now.  I feel for you, I really do.  When I needed relief from pain.....I had so much fight in me that I was ready to take on the world, and now that I have relief.....I tend to forget about the mishaps, and carelessness in the medical field...but what you are going through is reminding me that eventhough, I'm in a good place right now, where my condition is concerned..... I still need to fight for change.  When this is all straightened out, just make sure (do what ever it takes) that it doesn't happen again....  Don't get to comfortable.   These doctors (not to mention insurance co's) make you feel like dirt, because your well being, and state of mind depends on wether or not they are compassionate enough to go the distance for you.  This subject really burns me up..... there is no earthly reason why you should be going through this.  It's in-humane.  I could go on and on.... just hang in there, and  Keep us posted.

[jennyfla]

Please take the advice from these fine people, they know what they are talking about.
You get yourself a 'good' doctor and get straightened out so you can think clearly, your poor dear, and then you go for blood!
These doctors need to realize that they can't just dump people on the street like this!!!!
They're are too many moneyhungry doctors out there that don't think of their patients as anythings more than a $ sign!!
There are many good ones out there too, so you go find yourself one that will take care of your problem, and then get yourself a good attorney!!!
They need to know that they can't get away with this!!!
((((HUGS))))
Jenny

[Pixieo2]

HI Witchywoman & Wildcat,
I'll write what I can <BG> today could have been better, the nerves are shot. I have a GHI plan. I am not sure weather or not some are listed under my policy The Psychiatrist that I made the appointment with dose take Insurance. I wasn't going to let that get In the way of being scene at least for now. I felt I had to start with anyone for now. I wrote to Angelica about the law suit, but I don't know If I have the stamina to do this at this time. My nerves are so frazzled and I'm not sure I can handle it, generally I would have no problem. I am be twisted and between and not sure weather I could handle such a battle.  You'll have to forgive me for copying and pasting this.... I'm sorry I'm so wound tonight. Wildcat prayers right back at yea, I hope you have a better day tomorrow. Weal babble when we can In the future, right now I feel likke great minds think alike :)

                               Pixieo2
                              or Kathy
PS I hope you
Feel better soon :)

[wildcat]

Kathy,

I am feeling better now that it's later in the day and the went smoothly. Thank you for your concern and prayers.

I can understand your mind meltdown as I call it. Benzo withdrawal is just like alcohol withdrawal it is considered life threatening. You are already developing DT's. [Delirium tremens.] You sue your doctor for putting you in a life threatening situation.

Benzos are different than booze withdrawal in that benzos can cause seizures as much as a month or more after cold turkey stopping.

That doctor should have his/her licsense removed in fact you can call the american medical society and complain and call your local medical association for starters.

They'll get you the help you need. If I was you I would go to the emergency room and say you are on Valium withdrawal and explain you took for how ever many years, your doctor moved and the new one cut you off. Say you are going into the DT's and tell them how confused and mind scrambled you are. It only gets worse. They probably will give it to you right away, especially if you talk about suing that other doctor if you have a seizure. Your life is truely at risk. I will be praying hard for you to get what you need. [May the Lord God help you now as I type and bring you to the right place to get the medicine you need. Amen!]

God Bless you too,

wildcat

[jule1]

Jenny, Kayla and Cole are 5 days apart (born on leap day) imagine that.  This is such a great age but also a trying age.  He is trowing unbelievable temper tantrums!  When is your husband coming home?  It sounds like there are a lot of people here who can tell you what to expect when he comes home.  I am sure it will be hard on both of you for a while.I am thinking of you.

WILDCAT, I am so sorry you are having such a hard time.  I actually lost 2 very good jobs due to my narcotic addictions this is the first time I have ever admitted that.  I think you can keep your job if you can keep things together during this shitty time.  Remember how far you have come and be proud of yourself and look in your dogs eyes and see the love they  have for you and how much they need you.  I will be praying for you!

BIJOU, I hope yoou are doing ok!  THe Ultram has done a lot of the same things to me.  It used to give me energy now it takes it away that is one of the reasons I can't stand it.  I also walk into a room and forget what I was going for I am not sure if that is because of Ultram or being the mother of a 1 yr old LOL!  Did you read my post that I finally told my husband that was a huge breakthrough because now I am forced to get hellp I am just having a hard time finding the right hellp.  I can't believe these abuse counsellors do not kow of Ultram!  Good luck I am always here reading your posts good luck!

[wildcat]

[Pixie,]
one of my former psychiatrists told me if a doctor cuts you off a benzo that knowingly can cause seizures and serious withdrawal, you have a malpractice lawsuit. You should mention lawsuit and say you need the Valiums and it isn't like you have been increasing the dosages, you have been taking it responsibility and it's not as controlled as the opiods are. Good luck. I need to take my Klonopins before I pass out.

[jbear], hello, thank you for the kind words. I don't have too much to say today. The job went okay yesterday and today so that is good but I feel like ****. My meds are way past due and I have some withdrawal from the Codiene I imagine so I am feeling sluggish and tired and blah. I am not in a babbling mood for a change.

take care and God Bless,

luv, wildcat

[Angelica]

....are you the same Pixie that posted here awhile back, say 3 months ago..or so???  I'm just getting caught up,.. I haven't been posting/reading much lately....
I have to aggree w/ witchey woman......  and I believe you should speak to a malpractice attorney.  We all need to start speaking up.  Our lives are in the hands of the state, doctors, pharmacists and hospitals.  I also run a business, and I know all to well, the pressures of keeping afloat....and "if you don't do it, no one will!"  It's tough esp. coupled w/ the problems your experiencing....  Best wishes!!!

[jennyfla]

Oh yes, i know that age very well, so demanding, but so rewarding.  My daughter comes to work with me, and has since she was 6-weeks old :)  I am extremely fortuate.  She is going to daycare soon, soon after my 5-year old starts kindergarden.  I have my 8-year old with me today, and a lot lately because i can't afford her childcare program right now, and my boss has been out alot, i've been kinda sneaking her in, but what can i do.
I have to beat this addiction, it's driving me up the wall.  I wake up and have such a hard time getting out of bed every single day, and that's not like me.  I've had this problem since around February, and i'm sick of it!!!!  I'm in withdrawal when i wake up, i know that's what's causing it.  i just want to sleep sleep and have the world go by without me.  I never understood when my husband was like this, he was missing so much, and now i'm like this.  :(  He tells me it's so great now, but is head is only just starting to pop out of the hole, he has a long long long way to go before he is fully out.  I'm still underground still looking for the way out! :(
I'll find it, i know i will!
Good luck to you!  And enjoy little Cole, they grow up way too fast!!!!
:)
Lv Jenny

[Pixieo2]

HI Angelica,
What a lovely name <VBG>  Angelica if there is another Pixie, then we are not the same person. I came here after struggling and re searching many sites to find some helpful Information.  I might have lurked for a day or two before posting. Gee! I dread the word (lurk) It sounds so evil. Also thank you for your best wishs.I think your right about the law suit, but I don't know If I have the stamina to do this at this time. My nerves are so frazzled and I'm not sure I can handle it, generally I would have no problem. I am be twisted and between and not sure weather I could handle such a battle .

                               Pixieo2
                              or Kathy

[Witchywoman]

Pixie, I reread your post, and I think even more now that what happened to you here is medical malpractice.  Stopping a benzo after all those years in only two weeks, with only a referral to a Psychologist is not just bad practice, but dangerous!

Panic and anxiety are very real biologival disorders. Yes, therapy does help them, but that does not mean that it is "all in your head"..what it means is that the mind and the body are deeply connected, and the mind can be engaged to help reduce the symptoms of anxiety and panic. But usually medication is needed as well.

A Federal Mental Health parity law went into effect nationwide this year, stating that anyone with a diagnosed mental health disorder, such as anxiety and panic disorder, has to be given the same priority for treatment as someone with other kinds of medical needs. This is a law now, and HMO's are required to treat it.

Have you tried to make a stink about this? Can you see another Doctor for a second opinion? I think you have a strong case on your hands here, and I encourage you to contact the patient complaints department of your health plan. I'm assuming your health plan has Psychiatrists that you can see, and a good Psychiatrist can help you stabilize the panic with meds and maybe therapy if you want it.

Good luck, and please keep us posted!

[Pixieo2]

HI Witchywoman,
My doctor vaguely mentioned seeing another professional doctor. He spent more time explaining that the state was cracking down that anything else. Truthfully I was bothered by the fact that he seemed more concerned about this then me the patient.
I am baffled by the whole idea, and still wonder what really brought this on. I was perfectly fine with the medication I was on, I wouldn't want to start experimenting with new drugs.  Years ago when I had started with the first atacks,they gave me something which I'm thankful I pulled myself off of. My ears were ringing exc..
I knew it wasn't right for me. The body has a way of knowing, mines pretty annoyed that the medication's gone. The more I think about it, indeed this was very cruel.
I'll look for your other thread, I'm having troule learning my way aroud here :)  Psst ! I'm glad I'm not the only one, it's nice to tralk to others :)...

                              Pixieo2
                             or Kathy :)
PS I hope
I can help others at some point myself :)

[Pixieo2]

HI SKC,
I'm sorry I hadn't gotten back to you sooner, but do to my circumstances I hope you understand. I was shocked myself when he dropped me of the medication, I had no choice 1 I literally felt like he was (The Lord) no disrespect Intended. I am very new to this whole situation, could you possibly explain what the Initials mean ?  I'm really not knowledgeable with the phraseology. The best of luck to you also <BG>=big grin. I hope that's what the LOL stands for' I hope this doctor I' have made the appointment with will be able to help. Having to wait three weeks for an appointment doesn't relate good vibes to me, my anxiety is up already ( I'm worried )....

                            Pixieo2
                             or Kathy :)

[cindi]

Hye,  I just read your post above about your husband   the one where you were soooo upset,,Jenny I am sorry  I was not there to talk to you.I feel so bad.just as I was going to respond I saw the new one from today...sound to me like things are ok       hang in there     you'll be ok   love you          cin

[Witchywoman]

woops, I had a typo in my last comment...

The husband of my friend was not on vicoprofen, he only was taking ibuprofen, which gave him a serious gastric bleed.

[Witchywoman]

Wren,
I'll answer this here as well, since I'm not sure if you saw my post on the other thread.

A max on vicoprofen..well, the risk of the vicoprofen is the ibuprofen. Ibuprofen can usually be taken for a while before it causes damage, but high doses over time can and does caught gastric bleeding. It can ulcerate your stomache and small intestine, causing internal bleeding and infection.  The husband of a friend of mine almost died from taking very high ammounts of vicoprofen over a year. Ironically, he was so afraid of narcotic addiction, that he refused any pain meds other than motrin, and wound up with a very dangerously infected gastric bleed.

When I was taking up to 15 vicoprofens a day, I did have a time when I found myself having black stool. My Doc told me that this was likely a sign of a GI bleed, and to lower the vicoprofen dose.  I did lower it for a while then, but did the stupider thing and just added alcohol to the vicoprofens so I could get as high with less. That was STUPID of me. Please please don't do that. That will really damage your liver, and your enzymes are already elavated.

My advice Wren is to stick with the ammount that your Doc prescribes for you pain.  I totally and completely can relate to how good the high feels, so I understand that you want to know how much you can take for the high without hurting your body. There is just no easy answer to that one.  Giving up the high SUCKS! I am wanting that high right now, pretty badly to be honest. In the end though, I want my health and my life back more than I want the high.

Good luck Wren, and I hope you stick around. I feel we are in similar situations with this thing, which is to say, I could really relate to your initial post. Particular the anger at the thought of having to give up this drug that at the time, seemed to be improving my social life.

WW

[wren]

Is there a max on Vicoprofen? Like a daily max of.....10 (200/7.5s)?