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LARCETS AND WEED?
Hi all i was wondering if you can help me .
I'm a 37 year old male i do realy well in life i have a good family and love life but i've been doing drugs for 24 years and like weed i realy don't like any other drugs any more .
I started doing larcets aroung a year ago on and off and i find lately if i don't have thim i feel like i'm turning inside out!
I use to smoke weed 5 to 10 time aday but if i smoke now i feel like i do when i'm not doing larcets.
I know i need help but i can't go to rehab i have a family that loves me and i love them i just want to feel better can any one tell me how long i have to not sleep,eat or feel good before it go's away?
Any info would be cool.
Any sites on LARCET addiction would be a great help.
I'm a 37 year old male i do realy well in life i have a good family and love life but i've been doing drugs for 24 years and like weed i realy don't like any other drugs any more .
I started doing larcets aroung a year ago on and off and i find lately if i don't have thim i feel like i'm turning inside out!
I use to smoke weed 5 to 10 time aday but if i smoke now i feel like i do when i'm not doing larcets.
I know i need help but i can't go to rehab i have a family that loves me and i love them i just want to feel better can any one tell me how long i have to not sleep,eat or feel good before it go's away?
Any info would be cool.
Any sites on LARCET addiction would be a great help.
I think you may be talking about Lorcet? for pain? Hydrocodone, you have come to the right place....Loving your family has nothing to do with addiction, it is a disease, one recognized by the AMA,what you are feeling when not using the Lorcet is classic withdrawal symptoms,,very uncomfortable but not life threatening,,everyone is different re: the duration of withdrawal, usually 3 to 5 days for the intial withdrawls but then there is depression and all the things that come with no longer using narcotics...have you considered out patient treatment? tapering off the hydrocodone? decreasing your doseage every couple days it can be done but it does take a firm committment...Thomas has a tried and true recipe for detoxing from hydrodocone he should be pooing in any time now...maybe if you check out the other posts you may be able to find it hidden somewhere...have you ever thought about a 12 step recovery program? the disease of addiction is not cureable but it can be arrested, it is a life long battle,,,struggles with the "dragon" as wizard calls it...I know Wiz can help you also he has been clean for i think 30 days now and he did it himself...at home...he is truly an inspiration to us all...hang in there and Thomas and Wizard can give you their testomonials and help you out with their suggestions......Love to all cin
along with my aol address ***@**** I have a new addy ***@**** if i like Msn who knows I may ditch the aol....don't know yet...
Weed can be psychologically addictive but not physically addictive -- that is, you won't suffer any physical withdrawal symptoms from quitting weed like you might from other drugs, such as Lorcet. If weed is making you feel like ****, now is a great time to get off the stuff. I have no moral or philosophical problem with weed, and I indulge in it occasionally myself, but I know it can be harmful to the lungs, esp. in the amounts you're using.
Thomas has excellent advice on cutting back/eliminating the Lorcets. I recently went through a prescription of Lorcets myself and was terrified I'd have withdrawals, but I had none at all! I was lucky, I guess, though I was using a small amount for a short time. You'll find some great advice & wisdom on this forum, and I wish you well.
Milo
Thomas has excellent advice on cutting back/eliminating the Lorcets. I recently went through a prescription of Lorcets myself and was terrified I'd have withdrawals, but I had none at all! I was lucky, I guess, though I was using a small amount for a short time. You'll find some great advice & wisdom on this forum, and I wish you well.
Milo
Well i'm on day two and i feel like hell!!!!!
I remember doing every dam drug there was growing up and never had a problem like i have now.
I've been stoned for 24 years and dam scared how i feel these days. I allways said i see nothing wrong with drug use as long as ya can hold your life in check.
Like i said i'm well off and when i try to qwite the **** i go 3 to 4 day's and i feel better and then i have a bad day and am all up tight i'm off on the chase with all the money i need.
The only drugs i do these days are lorcets and kind bud.
So why do i feel so bad??
I've done coke/pills{ups&downs}/acid/every dam thing and never felt like this i sure hope someone can help me i know it's time to qwite but it's scarie.
Any way if any one here want's to talk and help me my ICQ number is 110564321.
I'm sure glad there's a post like this.
peace!
I remember doing every dam drug there was growing up and never had a problem like i have now.
I've been stoned for 24 years and dam scared how i feel these days. I allways said i see nothing wrong with drug use as long as ya can hold your life in check.
Like i said i'm well off and when i try to qwite the **** i go 3 to 4 day's and i feel better and then i have a bad day and am all up tight i'm off on the chase with all the money i need.
The only drugs i do these days are lorcets and kind bud.
So why do i feel so bad??
I've done coke/pills{ups&downs}/acid/every dam thing and never felt like this i sure hope someone can help me i know it's time to qwite but it's scarie.
Any way if any one here want's to talk and help me my ICQ number is 110564321.
I'm sure glad there's a post like this.
peace!
Just had a thought -- since you have access to weed, could that possibly help you through the few days of Lorcet withdrawal? Someone else on the forum would know the answer better than I, but since weed helps with nausea and relaxes you, it might be worth a shot? Milo
Well, GLOCK, you're one of he lucky ones. You can actully do a bottle of Vics (Lorcets) and not start feeling desperate for 4 days? Let me tell youwhere you're headed. Do it long enough like me and you won't be able to get through a single day with less than 50 or 60 Lorcets in you - every day, saturdays, sundays, holidays. One thing you might note: I always found smokin pot minimized the high I was expectig from the Vicodin and soon stopped combining them. Smoking pot to fight the withdrawal doesn'twork, either. The pot simply doesn't do the same thing as the Vic/Lorcets.
But if you can go 4 to 5 days without being hit by true narcotic withdrawal from the lorcet, you'e in an excellent position to get on top of this problem. But you are going to have to do some rehab. At least outpatient rehab, because what's really driving you after those five days is the psychological need more than the physical. If you were really and truly addictd physically, you'd be after lorcets every single waking day or you'd be too sick to function.
personally, when I'm withdrawing from hydrocodone (lorcet), pot atually made me feel worse. It seemed to increase the muscle aches and anxiety. If you smoke while you're doing the locets, it's just a waste of some good painkilllers. If you smoke while you're withdrawing, you'll probably make the symptoms worse.
here's the recope cindi mentioned. I hope it's not too long for one post ...
Believe me, I know EXACTLY what you're going through. I admire your resolve to quit before you become someone like me. I've been addicted to prescription narcotics for more than thirty years. I lack the courage to even attempt to calculate what this lifelong obsession has cost me - not in dollars, but in all the ways it has limited my life experience. I call it a lifelong obsession because I cannot consider myself simply a pain patient who inevitably became addicted to the source of his pain relief. I love narcotics. Not like them. Love them. I have wasted a good deal of the time I have on this planet chasing drugs with the same ardor as a man pursuing the love of his life. Why? Thirty years later and I still haven't a clue.
The good news is that you've seen where this activity is leading you at an early stage. The last time I entered a rehab (at the court's "request"), I was taking seventy-five Vicodin per day, seven days per week.
Of course, that doesn't make what you're going through any more bearable. The nighttime body and especially thigh and ankle pains are textbook Vicodin withdrawal symptoms.
I know you're trying to get through this cold turkey, but, man, Vics are one of the most unpleasant "cold turkey experiences" going. Do you have, or can you get access to some benzodiazepines - drugs like Valium, Xanax, Librium, Klonopin? Without them, what can I say, it's going to be rough whatever you do. Perhaps you've got a friend or a relative with a few in the medicine cabinet - it doesn't sound like you've got a family doctor to turn to. Assuming you can get some Valium or one of the other benzos, plan for about 4 or 5 days on the stuff, starting the first couple days with enough to basically keep yourself "out of it," then gradually decreasing the benzos down to nothing.
Of course, there's the ever-popular runs! Get the brand-name Imodium and take two at a time at each hint of the runs. This symptom will pass after the first few days and is easily taken care of by the Imodium.
Whether or not you can get any benzos, the only thing that really helps the leg cramps are hot baths or Jacuzzis - as many as you can stand. I've found that Enteric aspirin can help the aches and pains, as well, but not to any dramatic extent.
Sometimes, if you can just get yourself to sleep to begin with, you can make it through the night. When I didn't have an rx for it, I found a double dose of benydryl helped put me out - it's also called sleep-eze and is over the counter. But don't expect miracles. It will either work or it won't. Don't increase the dose if it doesn't.
Now for the interesting stuff:
Go to the health food store and buy a bottle of 100 of the 500mg L-Tyrosine capsules along with a bottle of B6 capsules. Your Norco use has caused your brain to become depleted of several neurotransmitters responsible for your ability to function and feel good. Until these substances are restored, you'll feel like **** no matter what you do. They will come back by themselves, but it will take a long time. Taking the L-Tyrosine and B6 provides your brain with the raw materials it needs to rapidly create and replenish these vital brain substances. This is how you take it:
Take 4000mg (four-thousand - eight 500mg caps) plus 200 mgs of B6 on an empty stomach, either at bedtime or in the morning. I never have an empty stomach at bedtime, so I have always taken this formula in the morning. Get up early if you can, so you can take the dose at least two hours before you have to leave for work. (Don't eat any breakfast for at least one hour after taking the dose.) I say two hours because that much L-Tyrosine can go through your system and cause some mild runs, and you certainly don't want to be in your car when that happens. It's caused the runs in me about 20% of the time I've used L-Tyrosine. Also, the L-Tyrosine, among other things, stimulates the production of norepinephrin (SP?) a neurotransmitter responsible for mental energy, alertness and ambition. So don't drink any coffee with this stuff!
The good news is that many recovering narcotic addicts feel the difference after the first dose. You can suddenly think straight, your mood turns a bit more optimistic, and, in general, you start recovering your faculties, your energy, your enthusiasm and ambition for living life.
At your state, I'd recommend taking the L-Tyrosine and B6 EVERY morning for the first four days, then every other morning until you don't feel you need it anymore.
Beyond that, I'd highly recommend some kind of exercise, even if you feel like hell while you're doing it. It helps get rid of all that tension that builds while you're pacing the room wondering how you got yourself in this mess. Even just a swift walk will help.
That's what I know about handling the physical side of this problem. The hardest part to deal with, however, is that thing in your head that made you go on the Norco to begin with. I cannot recommend strongly enough that you seek out and attend some AA or NA meetings. I always get a lot of guff from certain of my friends on the forum for this, but I recommend AA over NA. Why? I can only go by my own experience and tell you that I found a lot more sobriety in AA and a lot more people working stronger programs than in NA. Besides, almost everyone I know in AA is also a pill addict, anyway, so it is not as inappropriate as it sounds. I'm sure there are some fine NA meetings, I just didn't find any. Granted, I was incarcerated in a residential program and my choice of NA meetings were all in hardcore neighborhoods. Many of these meetings turned into sessions spent listening to homeless heroin addicts begging the other attendees for money, a place to stay, anything. That is definitely not what we go to these meetings for. I say, just seek out the meetings (and a sponsor) that for whatever reason helps give you strength to go one more day without the Norco and go with that.
Just to keep myself honest here, I have been free of Norco or any opiate for about four months, so I still have a lot of challenges ahead of me. My biggest problem is that I liked the benzos so much I became addicted to them and now, every time I try to get off of them (or run out), I have a seizure. Nice, huh? But don't worry, if you use the benzos just to get off the Norco, you won't be running this risk.
Just remember: You've done nothing of which to feel ashamed. You're a normal, decent human being who succumbed to a weakness we all, as members of the human race, share
But if you can go 4 to 5 days without being hit by true narcotic withdrawal from the lorcet, you'e in an excellent position to get on top of this problem. But you are going to have to do some rehab. At least outpatient rehab, because what's really driving you after those five days is the psychological need more than the physical. If you were really and truly addictd physically, you'd be after lorcets every single waking day or you'd be too sick to function.
personally, when I'm withdrawing from hydrocodone (lorcet), pot atually made me feel worse. It seemed to increase the muscle aches and anxiety. If you smoke while you're doing the locets, it's just a waste of some good painkilllers. If you smoke while you're withdrawing, you'll probably make the symptoms worse.
here's the recope cindi mentioned. I hope it's not too long for one post ...
Believe me, I know EXACTLY what you're going through. I admire your resolve to quit before you become someone like me. I've been addicted to prescription narcotics for more than thirty years. I lack the courage to even attempt to calculate what this lifelong obsession has cost me - not in dollars, but in all the ways it has limited my life experience. I call it a lifelong obsession because I cannot consider myself simply a pain patient who inevitably became addicted to the source of his pain relief. I love narcotics. Not like them. Love them. I have wasted a good deal of the time I have on this planet chasing drugs with the same ardor as a man pursuing the love of his life. Why? Thirty years later and I still haven't a clue.
The good news is that you've seen where this activity is leading you at an early stage. The last time I entered a rehab (at the court's "request"), I was taking seventy-five Vicodin per day, seven days per week.
Of course, that doesn't make what you're going through any more bearable. The nighttime body and especially thigh and ankle pains are textbook Vicodin withdrawal symptoms.
I know you're trying to get through this cold turkey, but, man, Vics are one of the most unpleasant "cold turkey experiences" going. Do you have, or can you get access to some benzodiazepines - drugs like Valium, Xanax, Librium, Klonopin? Without them, what can I say, it's going to be rough whatever you do. Perhaps you've got a friend or a relative with a few in the medicine cabinet - it doesn't sound like you've got a family doctor to turn to. Assuming you can get some Valium or one of the other benzos, plan for about 4 or 5 days on the stuff, starting the first couple days with enough to basically keep yourself "out of it," then gradually decreasing the benzos down to nothing.
Of course, there's the ever-popular runs! Get the brand-name Imodium and take two at a time at each hint of the runs. This symptom will pass after the first few days and is easily taken care of by the Imodium.
Whether or not you can get any benzos, the only thing that really helps the leg cramps are hot baths or Jacuzzis - as many as you can stand. I've found that Enteric aspirin can help the aches and pains, as well, but not to any dramatic extent.
Sometimes, if you can just get yourself to sleep to begin with, you can make it through the night. When I didn't have an rx for it, I found a double dose of benydryl helped put me out - it's also called sleep-eze and is over the counter. But don't expect miracles. It will either work or it won't. Don't increase the dose if it doesn't.
Now for the interesting stuff:
Go to the health food store and buy a bottle of 100 of the 500mg L-Tyrosine capsules along with a bottle of B6 capsules. Your Norco use has caused your brain to become depleted of several neurotransmitters responsible for your ability to function and feel good. Until these substances are restored, you'll feel like **** no matter what you do. They will come back by themselves, but it will take a long time. Taking the L-Tyrosine and B6 provides your brain with the raw materials it needs to rapidly create and replenish these vital brain substances. This is how you take it:
Take 4000mg (four-thousand - eight 500mg caps) plus 200 mgs of B6 on an empty stomach, either at bedtime or in the morning. I never have an empty stomach at bedtime, so I have always taken this formula in the morning. Get up early if you can, so you can take the dose at least two hours before you have to leave for work. (Don't eat any breakfast for at least one hour after taking the dose.) I say two hours because that much L-Tyrosine can go through your system and cause some mild runs, and you certainly don't want to be in your car when that happens. It's caused the runs in me about 20% of the time I've used L-Tyrosine. Also, the L-Tyrosine, among other things, stimulates the production of norepinephrin (SP?) a neurotransmitter responsible for mental energy, alertness and ambition. So don't drink any coffee with this stuff!
The good news is that many recovering narcotic addicts feel the difference after the first dose. You can suddenly think straight, your mood turns a bit more optimistic, and, in general, you start recovering your faculties, your energy, your enthusiasm and ambition for living life.
At your state, I'd recommend taking the L-Tyrosine and B6 EVERY morning for the first four days, then every other morning until you don't feel you need it anymore.
Beyond that, I'd highly recommend some kind of exercise, even if you feel like hell while you're doing it. It helps get rid of all that tension that builds while you're pacing the room wondering how you got yourself in this mess. Even just a swift walk will help.
That's what I know about handling the physical side of this problem. The hardest part to deal with, however, is that thing in your head that made you go on the Norco to begin with. I cannot recommend strongly enough that you seek out and attend some AA or NA meetings. I always get a lot of guff from certain of my friends on the forum for this, but I recommend AA over NA. Why? I can only go by my own experience and tell you that I found a lot more sobriety in AA and a lot more people working stronger programs than in NA. Besides, almost everyone I know in AA is also a pill addict, anyway, so it is not as inappropriate as it sounds. I'm sure there are some fine NA meetings, I just didn't find any. Granted, I was incarcerated in a residential program and my choice of NA meetings were all in hardcore neighborhoods. Many of these meetings turned into sessions spent listening to homeless heroin addicts begging the other attendees for money, a place to stay, anything. That is definitely not what we go to these meetings for. I say, just seek out the meetings (and a sponsor) that for whatever reason helps give you strength to go one more day without the Norco and go with that.
Just to keep myself honest here, I have been free of Norco or any opiate for about four months, so I still have a lot of challenges ahead of me. My biggest problem is that I liked the benzos so much I became addicted to them and now, every time I try to get off of them (or run out), I have a seizure. Nice, huh? But don't worry, if you use the benzos just to get off the Norco, you won't be running this risk.
Just remember: You've done nothing of which to feel ashamed. You're a normal, decent human being who succumbed to a weakness we all, as members of the human race, share
Hi Thomas...I can't help but notice how you go out of your way to be so incredibly helpful to everyone here. I personally have taken your incentive as my own and am tapering down (by strngeth and qty) and my goal is to only use 20 vicodin per week. I don't think I could just let the migraines go untreated...but hopefully I can get by with 2.5 a day. I stepped down from 8 norco to 4 (last week) and then from 4 to 3..then from 3 norco to 3 vicodin 7.5/500. I feel pretty lousy right now but I want to do this, I just think that very slow methodical tapering will be my key. Didn't have a problem cutting the dose in half in one day, but now it's getting a little hard. I will continue to come here for encouragement and support. I had some sleepless nights and the worst depression...not even a double dose of my anti depressant helped. My arms trembled uncontrolably, and I felt like I was dying when I switched strengths, but it passed quickly. I wished I hadn't flushed all the methadone/clonopin last year though, that's for sure.
Anyway, here's cheers to everyone...keep fighting the good fight! God bless, Beth
Anyway, here's cheers to everyone...keep fighting the good fight! God bless, Beth
Thomas, thanks for the clarification re weed & withdrawal. I thought the weed might act like the benzos, but you have more knowledge of this than I.
You're also dead-on about the brand-name Imodium. The generic brands seem to produce cramps and other "Fun" side effects, while the brand-name Imodium just does its job. The advice to take two at a time is also wise & to be followed.
Irony: beore I ever started abusing Rx drugs, I missed a lot of work due to real, honest-to-goodness physical illness. I was taking Valium & Zoloft at the time but not abusing them. I was also taking Fioricet now & then, which I was abusing. But I wasn't staying home so I could stay high! I was too damn sick to go to work. So now I try like hell to make it to work no matter how bad I feel. I also avoid Fioricet on workdays.I'm still very resentful at the people who assumed I was absent due to drug use. I feel I've been condemned without appeal. Any thoughts on how to handle this? Milo
PS Thomas, I'm in the writing game, too.
You're also dead-on about the brand-name Imodium. The generic brands seem to produce cramps and other "Fun" side effects, while the brand-name Imodium just does its job. The advice to take two at a time is also wise & to be followed.
Irony: beore I ever started abusing Rx drugs, I missed a lot of work due to real, honest-to-goodness physical illness. I was taking Valium & Zoloft at the time but not abusing them. I was also taking Fioricet now & then, which I was abusing. But I wasn't staying home so I could stay high! I was too damn sick to go to work. So now I try like hell to make it to work no matter how bad I feel. I also avoid Fioricet on workdays.I'm still very resentful at the people who assumed I was absent due to drug use. I feel I've been condemned without appeal. Any thoughts on how to handle this? Milo
PS Thomas, I'm in the writing game, too.
Man, sometimes I get so lost without you LOL I get nuts when someone needs your recipe and your gone and I can't find what I did with it LOL it is getting to the point where I pretty much have it memorized but still I didn't want to dish out any worng advice.....I knew you'd be back soon hope you ahd a good weekend Love cin
haven't seen wizard all day this makes me nervous he is at that one month mark I think.....hopefully he is at a picnic....one day absent usually is no biggie here but for wiz, I know he usually posts at least once love to all ~~cin~~
I am sure Thomas is OK, you are right he is probably at a picnic or something like that.. I feel the same you do though, that is why I was wondering about Spook when he left however Thomas filled me in a little... I know I leave for awhile cause I had things to do but always come back.. Weekends seem to be when we have time to come here but holiday weekends can throw us off... Don't worry Cin... all is well... ;-)
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i am going on 48 hours withdrawing i am using the tyrosine ,b6 i have lomotil for the runs it works great .also i am taking b-complex injections and the diet pill adipex for energy all this working very good my withdrawal are minor the only thing bothers me at night my elbows start to hurt and twitch is there anything i can take for that .i have the valium and the xanax too to get knocked out and i am ready to go to sleep .thomas what do i do for my elbows i feel pretty good with this plan that i am following knowing i have been abusing the hydro for years 18 tablets a day...
thanks
thanks
Beth,
Thanks for the note. For a period of apprx. six years in my late 30's, I suffered from almost daily headaches that were termed "migraine-like" as opposed to classic migraine headaches. That of course meant all the migraine-specific medications like Imitrex and Caffergot, etc. didn't work worth a tinker's damn. I started my writing career about the same time these headaches started (I still write, only without anything but the occasional "normal" headache, thank you very much).
I'm curious about a few things. Do you have "classic" migraines - a very specific physiological phenomena - which usually responds quite well to the new generation of non-narcotics like Imitrex? Or are you like I was - plagued day after day by blinding headaches which caused me to spend half my time full of Demerol (didn't mind that part) in a darkened room. I know that, because of my past with narcotics, I have a wopping tolerance for any form of opiate. But, still, I'm amazed that you can deal with the kind of headaches I remember having with a mere 4 or 5 Vicodins!. When I was using Vics to deal with my headaches, I was taking 5 to 10 Vicodin at once every 4 hours. Kids, don't try this at home. STILL, it wasn't enough to significantly relieve the head pain.
Don't get me wrong. I'm delighted you can cope with so few. What I'm wondering is this: if you continue to have migraines, and you don't find a substitute treatment, why would you be so concerned if not guilty about taking the Vicodin? Vicodin is for the relief of moderate to severe pain. It's not the source of all evil. Or the sign of moral failure. As long as you're taking just enough to provide the pain relief you need, why cut the dosage? You must remember that this forum features posters who are medical patients who become addicted to their source of pain relief, and "the real Mcoy" honest to god drug addict, such as myself, who has led a life typified by my very real love of drugs.
You are the former. I am the latter. I hope my writings aren't making you feel pressured to cut down when you are obviously in pain. By junkie standards, you're not using enough Vicodin to even register on the "abuse" meter. Best of luck.
Peace.
Thanks for the note. For a period of apprx. six years in my late 30's, I suffered from almost daily headaches that were termed "migraine-like" as opposed to classic migraine headaches. That of course meant all the migraine-specific medications like Imitrex and Caffergot, etc. didn't work worth a tinker's damn. I started my writing career about the same time these headaches started (I still write, only without anything but the occasional "normal" headache, thank you very much).
I'm curious about a few things. Do you have "classic" migraines - a very specific physiological phenomena - which usually responds quite well to the new generation of non-narcotics like Imitrex? Or are you like I was - plagued day after day by blinding headaches which caused me to spend half my time full of Demerol (didn't mind that part) in a darkened room. I know that, because of my past with narcotics, I have a wopping tolerance for any form of opiate. But, still, I'm amazed that you can deal with the kind of headaches I remember having with a mere 4 or 5 Vicodins!. When I was using Vics to deal with my headaches, I was taking 5 to 10 Vicodin at once every 4 hours. Kids, don't try this at home. STILL, it wasn't enough to significantly relieve the head pain.
Don't get me wrong. I'm delighted you can cope with so few. What I'm wondering is this: if you continue to have migraines, and you don't find a substitute treatment, why would you be so concerned if not guilty about taking the Vicodin? Vicodin is for the relief of moderate to severe pain. It's not the source of all evil. Or the sign of moral failure. As long as you're taking just enough to provide the pain relief you need, why cut the dosage? You must remember that this forum features posters who are medical patients who become addicted to their source of pain relief, and "the real Mcoy" honest to god drug addict, such as myself, who has led a life typified by my very real love of drugs.
You are the former. I am the latter. I hope my writings aren't making you feel pressured to cut down when you are obviously in pain. By junkie standards, you're not using enough Vicodin to even register on the "abuse" meter. Best of luck.
Peace.
I'm sure glad i'm not a bad off as some as these post i've read here.I can't beleave some people take 50 lorcets or more a day!
I truely wish them the best.I kinda feel i might be wasting your time here caz i only take around 40 a month but it's been a year plus and like i said i don't like the way i feel!
Any way it's night time now and i feel realy tight gess i won't sleep well but after reading all the helpful info here i feel better knowing it will end !
Then i can work on staying clean and enjoying the next 30 years {god willing} anyway i'll let ya all know how it's going and i wish ya all well that have this monkey on there backs we all need to learn to be happy with out drugs.
P.S. will sleeping pills help me sleep?
I truely wish them the best.I kinda feel i might be wasting your time here caz i only take around 40 a month but it's been a year plus and like i said i don't like the way i feel!
Any way it's night time now and i feel realy tight gess i won't sleep well but after reading all the helpful info here i feel better knowing it will end !
Then i can work on staying clean and enjoying the next 30 years {god willing} anyway i'll let ya all know how it's going and i wish ya all well that have this monkey on there backs we all need to learn to be happy with out drugs.
P.S. will sleeping pills help me sleep?
Hi Milo,
If you don't mind me asking, what illness were you dealing with the Valium and Zoloft - were you suffering from an anxiety disorder? How did anyone at work first get the idea you were on drugs? I'm betting it was the Fiorinol - if you take it too much or too often it slurs your speech. I've personally had that happen to me at work.
The only way I shook a drug reputation was to change jobs. Sorry I don't have a better idea - unless you can transfer to another department of the company. It seems once you've got that handle, you either live with it, outlast your co-workers, or change jobs. Good luck in your writing endeavors.
Thomas
If you don't mind me asking, what illness were you dealing with the Valium and Zoloft - were you suffering from an anxiety disorder? How did anyone at work first get the idea you were on drugs? I'm betting it was the Fiorinol - if you take it too much or too often it slurs your speech. I've personally had that happen to me at work.
The only way I shook a drug reputation was to change jobs. Sorry I don't have a better idea - unless you can transfer to another department of the company. It seems once you've got that handle, you either live with it, outlast your co-workers, or change jobs. Good luck in your writing endeavors.
Thomas
Miguel,
What you've said all sounds fine, except for the adipex. You know, don't you, adipex is phenetermine, related to the amphetamines. I've "played with phentermine" and I know it can pack an amphetamine-like wallop. If possible, I'd discontinue any kind of stimulant while you're trying to get off Vicodin. You're after rest and tranquility, not the frenetic behavior that phentermine leads you too. I know it feels great. No doubt. But, in my case, taking a stimulant would make me crave even more Vicodin. It also is compromising the effect of the Valium and the Xanax. They are meant to provide you with muscle and emotional relaxation while you're going through you're detox - also sleep, if your lucky. As far as your joint pain, I'd take 1000mg of ENTERIC aspirin and all the hot baths or Jacuzzis I could get.
If you take anything from this post, STOP taking powerful stimulants like adipex while you're trying to detox. It just won't work. Besides, you'll have to detox from the adipex eventually and that won't be any picnic. If I need a little stimulant to get started at work or something, I take half a no-doze caffeine pill. You'd be surprised how effective they can be -AND THEY'RE NOT AMPHETAMINES! GET IT!
Good luck, Miguel. I hope I've helped.
Thomas
What you've said all sounds fine, except for the adipex. You know, don't you, adipex is phenetermine, related to the amphetamines. I've "played with phentermine" and I know it can pack an amphetamine-like wallop. If possible, I'd discontinue any kind of stimulant while you're trying to get off Vicodin. You're after rest and tranquility, not the frenetic behavior that phentermine leads you too. I know it feels great. No doubt. But, in my case, taking a stimulant would make me crave even more Vicodin. It also is compromising the effect of the Valium and the Xanax. They are meant to provide you with muscle and emotional relaxation while you're going through you're detox - also sleep, if your lucky. As far as your joint pain, I'd take 1000mg of ENTERIC aspirin and all the hot baths or Jacuzzis I could get.
If you take anything from this post, STOP taking powerful stimulants like adipex while you're trying to detox. It just won't work. Besides, you'll have to detox from the adipex eventually and that won't be any picnic. If I need a little stimulant to get started at work or something, I take half a no-doze caffeine pill. You'd be surprised how effective they can be -AND THEY'RE NOT AMPHETAMINES! GET IT!
Good luck, Miguel. I hope I've helped.
Thomas
I know what you mean. They all don't need exactly the same thing, usually, but I've saved one version which I find saves time.
Hope you're having a great memorial Day.
Love back to you,
Thomas
Hope you're having a great memorial Day.
Love back to you,
Thomas
You were 100% right about the Fioricet causing the problems. Even in regular, prescribed doses, it afftected my speech, walk, etc. The strane thing is, I didn't know it! I seldom drink, but when I've gotten tipsy, i've known it. Not so with the Fioricet. You were unfortunately right about co-workers' attitudes. I feel like I've been condemned and sentenced with no hope of appeal. No matter what I do, I'll always be the department druggie -- or at least I'll worry about it.
I've suffered from physical problems (GI, respiratory, you name it) caused by anxiety ever since I was a child. I think I've tried just about every med in the book...OCD has also been a lifelong "companion". The SSRI's were the first thing to give me relief from my obsessions -- when I hit the right dose, they worked like magic! Unfortunately the depression still persists. The anxiety disorder is characterized by panic attacks, excessive worry, physical symptoms, etc. The Valium keeps it somewhat in check.
BTW, I admire your willpower/nerve in quitting the Darvon. That couldn't have been much fun. More later -- Milo
I've suffered from physical problems (GI, respiratory, you name it) caused by anxiety ever since I was a child. I think I've tried just about every med in the book...OCD has also been a lifelong "companion". The SSRI's were the first thing to give me relief from my obsessions -- when I hit the right dose, they worked like magic! Unfortunately the depression still persists. The anxiety disorder is characterized by panic attacks, excessive worry, physical symptoms, etc. The Valium keeps it somewhat in check.
BTW, I admire your willpower/nerve in quitting the Darvon. That couldn't have been much fun. More later -- Milo
Cin, it's 7:15p.m. my time here inCaifornia. I just read your post. THANK YOU so much for your concern. I just got back from a wonderful family day and this is the 1st chance I've had to log on.I'm OKAY for sure! I'm about at my 1 month mark or so and yes there have been moments of "Dragon" whispers that we all know, but I have been strong with all your suppport :-)! God bless you all....Being clean of the "dragon" is a great NEW high for me LOL. The board looks real busy today, at least this string..it's the first I read.
Thomasmy friend I hope you and Cin had a good weekend. You as always have come to rescue here and I just know what I could add to the above posts today other then the encouragemnt of IT CAN BE DONE! Thomas you also answered a question I had. I wondered how long you have been clean this time and I was concerned about your seizures. Congrats on the 4 months. I'm looking forward to mine. I hope all is well for you and I will keep you in my prayers as always. You too Cin...but that's a given isn't it Dorothy? LOL God bless you all, I'm gonna move on down the strings here.
Power & Magick 2 U all,
Peace & Light on us,
Wizard
Thomasmy friend I hope you and Cin had a good weekend. You as always have come to rescue here and I just know what I could add to the above posts today other then the encouragemnt of IT CAN BE DONE! Thomas you also answered a question I had. I wondered how long you have been clean this time and I was concerned about your seizures. Congrats on the 4 months. I'm looking forward to mine. I hope all is well for you and I will keep you in my prayers as always. You too Cin...but that's a given isn't it Dorothy? LOL God bless you all, I'm gonna move on down the strings here.
Power & Magick 2 U all,
Peace & Light on us,
Wizard
Two part question, and i apologize for interrupting this thread, as the board is at it's full capacity for new questions.
To quit 'cold turkey' would be very difficult for me because i work full-time, and can't miss work, plus i have three small children to care for, and it would be extremely difficult to be laid out in bed fighting withdrawls. I can't even knock myself out with xanax to help get through it.
Currently, i snort oxys. I use about 50 mg of oxys per day (amplified by snorting). Would it be possible to use Lortabs instead, and take them .5 (1/2 at a time) throughout the day, and slowly cut back on those. Will i be able to function and avoid the withdrawls by slowly lessening the dose? Has anyone had any experience getting off of oxy's like this? Help!
Second part:
Question from my husband:
He would to know what will happen if oxycontin get taken off the market. He is a heavy oxycontin user (shoots), and i don't think using lighter opiates will help him much. Plus, he definately does NOT want the tylanol in the quantities he would need to use to match his current habit.
There is a lot talk about oxycontin and exactly how long they will be available. I wish he would be more concerned about how to quit rather than what will be the replacement, but he just isn't at that point (yet, i hope).
Any ideas?
Thank you for reading our questions, and good luck to all!
Jenny & Robert
To quit 'cold turkey' would be very difficult for me because i work full-time, and can't miss work, plus i have three small children to care for, and it would be extremely difficult to be laid out in bed fighting withdrawls. I can't even knock myself out with xanax to help get through it.
Currently, i snort oxys. I use about 50 mg of oxys per day (amplified by snorting). Would it be possible to use Lortabs instead, and take them .5 (1/2 at a time) throughout the day, and slowly cut back on those. Will i be able to function and avoid the withdrawls by slowly lessening the dose? Has anyone had any experience getting off of oxy's like this? Help!
Second part:
Question from my husband:
He would to know what will happen if oxycontin get taken off the market. He is a heavy oxycontin user (shoots), and i don't think using lighter opiates will help him much. Plus, he definately does NOT want the tylanol in the quantities he would need to use to match his current habit.
There is a lot talk about oxycontin and exactly how long they will be available. I wish he would be more concerned about how to quit rather than what will be the replacement, but he just isn't at that point (yet, i hope).
Any ideas?
Thank you for reading our questions, and good luck to all!
Jenny & Robert
<font face="arial, helvetica" size="2" color="green">Hello Thomas- yes, my migraines are "mioptic(sp?)/complex classic", meaning they onset with sever "aura" (Blinding lightspots in both eyes) and the pain sets in (both eyes) hard and heavy...can't stand it. Always accompanied by severe tremors and vomiting. I've had them since I was a toddler, and all the "migraine specific" drugs did a big fat load of <i>nothing</i>, and I mean nothing. <i>Dozens</i> of other NSAIDS and betablockers and 1000's of dollars in neurological test didn't, either. For this reason, I don't feel <b>guilty</b> about taking the vicodin per se, I just don't want to be dependant. I am planning a trip to Europe and what would I do if God forbid my medicine was stolen or lost, etc? I just feel that taking so much is harder on me in the long run than dealing with the migraines. Plus I just turned 21 this month, and I hate being basically controlled by something at such a young age. I feel like cutting the dose so significantly was stepping away from the stranglehold I feared, and hopefully progress will only continue from here.
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thank you thomas
iknow what audipex is it really helped for 3 days last time i was withdrawing .i am or was planning on using it for the first
3 days .i dont like these types of medications .just seem to help
me get going during the day but it will take your advice for it ,iwill stop them i am going on my 48 hours now my second night usually after 3 nights i am fine it gets better from there
i have been through this about 20 times but i keep going back
to the hydro but this time i made a promise to myself ,my family and god i will never touch this stuff again
thank you thomas by the way do you anything about nelxtrone dose really help keeping you away from the hydros
iknow what audipex is it really helped for 3 days last time i was withdrawing .i am or was planning on using it for the first
3 days .i dont like these types of medications .just seem to help
me get going during the day but it will take your advice for it ,iwill stop them i am going on my 48 hours now my second night usually after 3 nights i am fine it gets better from there
i have been through this about 20 times but i keep going back
to the hydro but this time i made a promise to myself ,my family and god i will never touch this stuff again
thank you thomas by the way do you anything about nelxtrone dose really help keeping you away from the hydros
I have to get to work so I have to be brief but I'm sure someone else like Thomas or Wizard will pop in..Yes you can use hydrocodone spaeced throughout the day but .5 is really not much I don't think..see what happens...you probably will feel uncomfortable anyway...play around with the doseage of vicodin to what suits you the best and take it from there, soon though you will have to start cutting back on your hydro doseage...or you may become addicted to that..please keep in mind that tapering is hard, and it does need a firm committment....as far as robert i don't know what to say about replacements....a pharmacist friend sasi that if and when they take them off the market to everyone that there may be a special form you have to fill out etc. in order to get them...sorry I could not have been more help.....THOMAS? WIZ OH,,WIZ? WHERE ARE YOU GUYS? LOVE TO ALL CIN
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